Couple of points: First after centre drilling a pilot hole should be drilled that is as large as the chisel section on the final drill bit size used and no larger. If the final drill bit has split-point geometry then only a centre drill would be needed. Because no pilot drill was used on the first attempt this explains the large amount of force Mattias had to apply to get the chisel section of the drill bit he used through the steel. As the machine's frame is relatively flexible compared to one made of cast iron, keeping the cutting forces as low as possible will help with accuracy. Secondly, in my opinion a better way to make dowel jigs is to use a softer material for the body (wood/plastic/aluminium) and then make steel bushings that fit into it. This would also suit the machines Mattias has available to him (i e., a small but relatively precise metal lathe and a homebrew "millpress"). Other advantages of this approach are that only the bushings have to be replaced as they get worn/damaged and if made from suitable steel their relatively small mass makes it easy to harden them, increasing longevity. Oh, and bushings to suit different drill sizes are also an option. I have a 3D printer. I 3D printed the body for a dowel jig and made steel bushings out of silver steel. The left-right symmetry of the jig is within 0.05mm, so i don't even bother flipping the jig for each face to be joined.
@brendangilmore42977 сағат бұрын
I love this man's brain :)
@reidflemingworldstoughestm13948 сағат бұрын
It was inevitable that Matthias would morph into Clickspring.
@confunctius8 сағат бұрын
watch 9:16 - the whole block moves. you can't expect your jig to be precise if you're clamping it on one side only, without stable support from the bottom and the sides.
@repairman2be2508 сағат бұрын
A very cool cut and so accurate indeed. I watched the entire video with a smile on my face.
@Monfred20089 сағат бұрын
Ich benutze einfach Kopierspitzen , bin aber begeistert von deiner Maschine !
@JohnSmithYoutube9 сағат бұрын
Next video: Raspberry Pi powered DRO for that milling machine 😂
@ROWSELLTV9 сағат бұрын
compressed air is your best friend for jobs like this, everytime you lift the drill off the work clean the hole out to stop the risk of recutting chips and snapping the drill
@leonclose782310 сағат бұрын
Soluble oil coolant is messy, but makes a big difference drilling holes like this.
@im0b10 сағат бұрын
next step: buy a real mill
@AdaptingCamera10 сағат бұрын
Why aren't you using your drill press for this drilling work? Surely it would make a better job and would be easier to drill through.
@fredio5410 сағат бұрын
Cool it by lubricating it, the flanks of the tip and the sides are just rubbing on steel, lube lowers heat that way. Post cool with water mist, way faster and better than low pressure air. High pressure air can cool and clear chips.
@fredio5410 сағат бұрын
You don't want to do this because wood table etc, but you still need to for many reasons
@fredio5410 сағат бұрын
You should have pilot drilled all the way down with a drill just bigger than the tip of your 9.5. ALL of that force is going into the tip grinding away the middle, not the flutes cutting the hole. In steel this is essential for large holes.
@fredio5410 сағат бұрын
You did on round 2, but went to 5mm, smallest you can go and still be bigger than the tip. Also ream after drilling smaller, if you need precision
@fredio5410 сағат бұрын
Ha, you did that too.
@0xbaadf00d11 сағат бұрын
You could try putting a piece of paper between the edge finder and the piece to see when it binds, but I guess it's not necessary for these cuts.
@EXO9X811 сағат бұрын
Amazing work but please wear hearing protection.
@Joel-st5uw12 сағат бұрын
Now that you're getting into machining metal, will you please buy some anchorlube with your own money and give it a proper "Matthias no-BS review"? I'm getting genuinely disgusted with how many youtubers out there are getting gallons of the stuff for free and singing its praises. I have absolutely zero trust in that crap solely based on their marketing strategy. I think Stefan Gotteswinter is the only guy who is trying it out on his own penny.
@jamisonlm312 сағат бұрын
I bet you're thinking of trying to case harden it too. Turn back while you still can!
@kennethgreer12 сағат бұрын
10:22 "Oh beautiful! That's a really nice, smooth looking hole now." Watching Matthias become a machinist in real time.
@dublegi-hr8kq12 сағат бұрын
Hi Matthias, great job and very entertaining to watch. I am trying to do the exact opposite of what you are doing. I don't have any wood working machines, so I cut and machine wood on metal machines. Much easier (except for the massive wood chip mess). One suggestion though to cheat on your wooden milling machine. Given your rigidity will always be on say the soggy cardboard box side, I would suggest you use softer materials. For instance, your jig could be plastic (or even wood if you are so inclined) with steel insert drill guides. These are then just long bushings, relatively easy to turn on your mini lathe. Drilling deep holes in plastic is easy for your milling machine and might even help with keeping the holes aligned directionally along the jig.
@rasaskitchen13 сағат бұрын
please get a 3D printer already.
@flat-earther11 сағат бұрын
I want but in israhell they cost double the price than in other countries that's why I don't have one yet
@tryphontournesol42713 сағат бұрын
Very interesting approach, you're revisiting metalworking with a fresh eye and the usual unconventional Wandel's way.
@david92919013 сағат бұрын
With the limitations of your mill I'd layout the holes with a scribe and center punch next time. Drilling pilot holes with a 1/8 or 3/16 bit instead of a 5mm but would work good because then you are only removing the area that the full size bit has to plow through with its center web.
@Gunbudder13 сағат бұрын
This is like Miles Davis taking his mute off
@lady_draguliana78413 сағат бұрын
If you like good jigs, check out @YASUHIROTV
@tjesse14 сағат бұрын
He has traveled full circle. The lowly dowel. Of course.
@BScatterplot14 сағат бұрын
Dude if you make a mechanical wooden DRO I'm going to lose my mind
@ashypharaoh840714 сағат бұрын
He's becoming too powerful! Great stuff Matthias
@riceburner3214 сағат бұрын
Dude, steel isn't wood. Dial indicators, center drills, pilot holes and rigidity are necessary. Wood lacks rigidity and true surfaces for indicating. But, your doing a great.
@afascinatingbit14 сағат бұрын
This video has some old-school Matthias Wandel vibes that I didn't know I was missing. Nicely done, sir. I am blown away by the grinder technique for cutting the blanks. Not only is it low budget and accurate, but you'll never get a finish like that off of a bandsaw!
@gamerpaddy14 сағат бұрын
couldnt you just spring load the vise on both axes (or with a pulley and weight hanging down the back) to get rid of the backlash and cut off some cheap calipers, then just glue them to the side to have a linear scale that is independend of a maybe non linear lead screw heck even with pulleys and kevlar/steel wire or bike brake line, you could mount them somewhere else and just move the caliper head back and forth. mechanical DRO but that angle grinder jig is genius
@truckguy666614 сағат бұрын
Seriously cool. More please
@vmoutsop15 сағат бұрын
Wouldn't it be easier if you just got a block of HDPE and some metal sleeves at the right dimensions
@gnusndn30115 сағат бұрын
I really like the way you just make it happen!! Thank you very much
@fairweatherfoundry71515 сағат бұрын
That first drill was not sharp enough or not high quality. It should not be that difficult and not get that hot. You also need LUBE. All of these things will cause the drill to wander and drift. Also your speed for the reamer was too fast, especially for that aggressive cut.
@Gunbudder15 сағат бұрын
the angle grinder instead of a bandsaw or automatic saw is genius! and i've never seen a finish so nice after a cutoff
@maxfarr414215 сағат бұрын
tip - if you lock the table jibs when you are on location the wobble of the drill won't move the workpiece.
@eat_things15 сағат бұрын
I think the ultimate update to this would be to use the encoders from printers to build a DRO :) so you don't lose count of the turns
@daveanderson231616 сағат бұрын
Proof that millimeters are inferior to freedom inches.
@ObesityandLag16 сағат бұрын
Inspiring. When will plans be out? You may have already mentioned this, but i love collecting your machine plans.
@David_Hogue16 сағат бұрын
Now you just need a custom made Raspberry Pi DRO
@moagoo571416 сағат бұрын
Awesome
@cbalan77716 сағат бұрын
Is that a wooden spanner wrench I see?
@chriswest837616 сағат бұрын
I've been thinking lately of buying a power mitre saw but the good ones are quite expensive and I am not convinced I would use it enough to justify it. This has me wondering about building such a saw by mounting my skil saw (circular saw) in some sort of jig that will accomplish the same task. Have you ever considered making such a device?
@riskyb25016 сағат бұрын
This is the kind of thing I would just buy. It's just not worth it to me to spend 8 hours making a $30 jig. All that said, cool videos as always Matthias.
@matthiaswandel16 сағат бұрын
if I could buy that jig for $30, I would. please add a link where I can buy it.
@Alaric_I16 сағат бұрын
Now it's time for air cleaner build #6, for the metal shavings.
@derschwartzadder16 сағат бұрын
alternate title: Matthias needs a drill press? Seriously, drill guides have their uses, but i cringe every time i see one. ...
@drodver17 сағат бұрын
Well, there’s no stopping him now
@jeffreybernath662717 сағат бұрын
Matthias at 3:40 - Now I need to move 19.05 millimeters this way... Americans in the Peanut Gallery - YOU MEAN THREE-QUARTERS OF AN INCH!! Great video!
@matthiaswandel16 сағат бұрын
metric lead screws.
@ligius317 сағат бұрын
I'm not a machinist but this looks like a pretty cool achievement. Wouldn't swapping bits in the chuck be much faster than going back and forth over the points and losing precision each time? Also, the misalignment could be from either the block of wood or the actual sliding rails. I think you can take apart a cheap digital caliper and affix it to the machine for a quick DRO.
@markhedquist959717 сағат бұрын
I love it! Handbuilt, wooden mill producing precise (enough) machined metal parts. This is why I've been here for every video, for years. And what a nice, beefy dowel jig!
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Couple of points: First after centre drilling a pilot hole should be drilled that is as large as the chisel section on the final drill bit size used and no larger. If the final drill bit has split-point geometry then only a centre drill would be needed. Because no pilot drill was used on the first attempt this explains the large amount of force Mattias had to apply to get the chisel section of the drill bit he used through the steel. As the machine's frame is relatively flexible compared to one made of cast iron, keeping the cutting forces as low as possible will help with accuracy. Secondly, in my opinion a better way to make dowel jigs is to use a softer material for the body (wood/plastic/aluminium) and then make steel bushings that fit into it. This would also suit the machines Mattias has available to him (i e., a small but relatively precise metal lathe and a homebrew "millpress"). Other advantages of this approach are that only the bushings have to be replaced as they get worn/damaged and if made from suitable steel their relatively small mass makes it easy to harden them, increasing longevity. Oh, and bushings to suit different drill sizes are also an option. I have a 3D printer. I 3D printed the body for a dowel jig and made steel bushings out of silver steel. The left-right symmetry of the jig is within 0.05mm, so i don't even bother flipping the jig for each face to be joined.
I love this man's brain :)
It was inevitable that Matthias would morph into Clickspring.
watch 9:16 - the whole block moves. you can't expect your jig to be precise if you're clamping it on one side only, without stable support from the bottom and the sides.
A very cool cut and so accurate indeed. I watched the entire video with a smile on my face.
Ich benutze einfach Kopierspitzen , bin aber begeistert von deiner Maschine !
Next video: Raspberry Pi powered DRO for that milling machine 😂
compressed air is your best friend for jobs like this, everytime you lift the drill off the work clean the hole out to stop the risk of recutting chips and snapping the drill
Soluble oil coolant is messy, but makes a big difference drilling holes like this.
next step: buy a real mill
Why aren't you using your drill press for this drilling work? Surely it would make a better job and would be easier to drill through.
Cool it by lubricating it, the flanks of the tip and the sides are just rubbing on steel, lube lowers heat that way. Post cool with water mist, way faster and better than low pressure air. High pressure air can cool and clear chips.
You don't want to do this because wood table etc, but you still need to for many reasons
You should have pilot drilled all the way down with a drill just bigger than the tip of your 9.5. ALL of that force is going into the tip grinding away the middle, not the flutes cutting the hole. In steel this is essential for large holes.
You did on round 2, but went to 5mm, smallest you can go and still be bigger than the tip. Also ream after drilling smaller, if you need precision
Ha, you did that too.
You could try putting a piece of paper between the edge finder and the piece to see when it binds, but I guess it's not necessary for these cuts.
Amazing work but please wear hearing protection.
Now that you're getting into machining metal, will you please buy some anchorlube with your own money and give it a proper "Matthias no-BS review"? I'm getting genuinely disgusted with how many youtubers out there are getting gallons of the stuff for free and singing its praises. I have absolutely zero trust in that crap solely based on their marketing strategy. I think Stefan Gotteswinter is the only guy who is trying it out on his own penny.
I bet you're thinking of trying to case harden it too. Turn back while you still can!
10:22 "Oh beautiful! That's a really nice, smooth looking hole now." Watching Matthias become a machinist in real time.
Hi Matthias, great job and very entertaining to watch. I am trying to do the exact opposite of what you are doing. I don't have any wood working machines, so I cut and machine wood on metal machines. Much easier (except for the massive wood chip mess). One suggestion though to cheat on your wooden milling machine. Given your rigidity will always be on say the soggy cardboard box side, I would suggest you use softer materials. For instance, your jig could be plastic (or even wood if you are so inclined) with steel insert drill guides. These are then just long bushings, relatively easy to turn on your mini lathe. Drilling deep holes in plastic is easy for your milling machine and might even help with keeping the holes aligned directionally along the jig.
please get a 3D printer already.
I want but in israhell they cost double the price than in other countries that's why I don't have one yet
Very interesting approach, you're revisiting metalworking with a fresh eye and the usual unconventional Wandel's way.
With the limitations of your mill I'd layout the holes with a scribe and center punch next time. Drilling pilot holes with a 1/8 or 3/16 bit instead of a 5mm but would work good because then you are only removing the area that the full size bit has to plow through with its center web.
This is like Miles Davis taking his mute off
If you like good jigs, check out @YASUHIROTV
He has traveled full circle. The lowly dowel. Of course.
Dude if you make a mechanical wooden DRO I'm going to lose my mind
He's becoming too powerful! Great stuff Matthias
Dude, steel isn't wood. Dial indicators, center drills, pilot holes and rigidity are necessary. Wood lacks rigidity and true surfaces for indicating. But, your doing a great.
This video has some old-school Matthias Wandel vibes that I didn't know I was missing. Nicely done, sir. I am blown away by the grinder technique for cutting the blanks. Not only is it low budget and accurate, but you'll never get a finish like that off of a bandsaw!
couldnt you just spring load the vise on both axes (or with a pulley and weight hanging down the back) to get rid of the backlash and cut off some cheap calipers, then just glue them to the side to have a linear scale that is independend of a maybe non linear lead screw heck even with pulleys and kevlar/steel wire or bike brake line, you could mount them somewhere else and just move the caliper head back and forth. mechanical DRO but that angle grinder jig is genius
Seriously cool. More please
Wouldn't it be easier if you just got a block of HDPE and some metal sleeves at the right dimensions
I really like the way you just make it happen!! Thank you very much
That first drill was not sharp enough or not high quality. It should not be that difficult and not get that hot. You also need LUBE. All of these things will cause the drill to wander and drift. Also your speed for the reamer was too fast, especially for that aggressive cut.
the angle grinder instead of a bandsaw or automatic saw is genius! and i've never seen a finish so nice after a cutoff
tip - if you lock the table jibs when you are on location the wobble of the drill won't move the workpiece.
I think the ultimate update to this would be to use the encoders from printers to build a DRO :) so you don't lose count of the turns
Proof that millimeters are inferior to freedom inches.
Inspiring. When will plans be out? You may have already mentioned this, but i love collecting your machine plans.
Now you just need a custom made Raspberry Pi DRO
Awesome
Is that a wooden spanner wrench I see?
I've been thinking lately of buying a power mitre saw but the good ones are quite expensive and I am not convinced I would use it enough to justify it. This has me wondering about building such a saw by mounting my skil saw (circular saw) in some sort of jig that will accomplish the same task. Have you ever considered making such a device?
This is the kind of thing I would just buy. It's just not worth it to me to spend 8 hours making a $30 jig. All that said, cool videos as always Matthias.
if I could buy that jig for $30, I would. please add a link where I can buy it.
Now it's time for air cleaner build #6, for the metal shavings.
alternate title: Matthias needs a drill press? Seriously, drill guides have their uses, but i cringe every time i see one. ...
Well, there’s no stopping him now
Matthias at 3:40 - Now I need to move 19.05 millimeters this way... Americans in the Peanut Gallery - YOU MEAN THREE-QUARTERS OF AN INCH!! Great video!
metric lead screws.
I'm not a machinist but this looks like a pretty cool achievement. Wouldn't swapping bits in the chuck be much faster than going back and forth over the points and losing precision each time? Also, the misalignment could be from either the block of wood or the actual sliding rails. I think you can take apart a cheap digital caliper and affix it to the machine for a quick DRO.
I love it! Handbuilt, wooden mill producing precise (enough) machined metal parts. This is why I've been here for every video, for years. And what a nice, beefy dowel jig!