CAN WE PLEASE TALK ABOUT THE ANIMATION THE TEAM HAS IMPROVED SO MUCH SINCE THE FIRST TRIAL IT'S INSANE????

@rachrel5457

7 ай бұрын

FR THIS IS SO GOOD

@kodamizr

7 ай бұрын

Real!!

@uwu_ptc

7 ай бұрын

YEAHH

@akgentiv

7 ай бұрын

REAL

@roxs6557

7 ай бұрын

its insane, we went from awkward fuuta slide walking animation and a bunch of slide shows to HOLY SHIT MY MIND IS BLOWING UP

すごい勢いの「お前のためにやってやるよ！！」から始まって生まれたことによる「ごめんなさい」で曲閉めるのすごいクる

@tukihotaru2193

6 ай бұрын

確かにすごいね…「最初のお前のためにやってやるよ」は二重人格のジョンまぁ言ってるみたいだけど最後に「ごめんなさい」のところが『ミコト』なのか『ジョン』なのかわからない位絞り出すような声で言ってたけどもし『ミコト』だったら本当は全部知っていて現実逃避してる可能性もあるね…

@user-kakikukeko.

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@tukihotaru2193 ハイライトが上にあるからミコトかな…？って思ってる。 ジョンはハイライトが目の下にある

@jeower

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@tukihotaru2193думаю, это Микото. мне кажется, что начинает осознавать, если ранее не знал, про Джона. он начинает понимать, что делает что-то неправильное и, как мне показалось, бежит от всего этого. в конце Микото буквально выдавливает «мне очень жаль», возможно, показывая, что действительно осознает что натворил и пытается извинится, ведь действительно все это время не знал о своей такой «сущности».

People still forgotting that all prisoners ARE guilty, we're just deciding If they deserve to be forgiven or not

@evisl.w6552

4 ай бұрын

Yuno I think that was her name isn't outright a murderer she had a lot of abortion which technically means she didn't kill anyone in the legal sense of the word, the same could go to Mahiru who's boyfriend decided to kill himself due to the toxicity of their relationship isn't Mahiru's fault in the sense of him dying, you could say she did kill him by driving him to that extent of taking his own life or kazui and the fact that his wife decided to kill herself after revealing the truth to her and more, while milgram does consider them guilty of their "crimes"

@LightLavishThought

10 күн бұрын

I think the right term is responsible. Each one, in various ways, is responsible for the death of someone or someones. It's our job to decide whether or not they're guilty or innocent, in the same way that a court might. Guilty? They get punished. Innocent? They still had to go through the hearing. We as a collective can decide whether or not they deserve to be forgiven, but at the end of the day the truth of Milgram is very, VERY subjective.

ミコトくんには過保護で甘いけど他にはツンツンのジョンとめっちゃ優しくてへにゃへにゃしてるミコトくんの双子がいる世界はどこですか？？ここにはないんですか？？？なんて残酷な世界なんだ…

@-syu.1955

28 күн бұрын

やめてくれ…やだぁぁぁぁ…

I love how the mannequins from the tarot cards in MeMe are back, and they’re in real life and completely destroyed.

@crowsen_

7 ай бұрын

Omg yea

@arisadragon2254

7 ай бұрын

I agree. In all second trial mv's you can see references to the first trial. The creators have my uttermost respect for what they created so far and will create

@Yamouri

7 ай бұрын

omg i didnt even notice that :0

@vixenflorafoxflows4155

7 ай бұрын

Ohhh I didn't even make that connection!

0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい。」 「職務を放棄するつもりか？」 時間が(恐らく午前)0時35分ってところからしてもチーフクソ上司すぎる

@Jess-kj6bo

7 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@eleatreezero

7 ай бұрын

🙏 thank you!

今更気づいた歌詞の終盤人格が交互に喋ってたんだ ミコト(覚えてないんだよ) ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト(苦しかったんだよ) ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト(なんで…なんで……) ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな…」 ミコト(なんで……なんで) 〈ごめんなさい〉だけは双方が別の人に向けた言葉なのかもしれない… 追記:ミコトサイドの声がジョンの声より遠くから響く様な音なのを思うに この瞬間は表に出てるのはミコトで 身に覚えの無い殺人を突き付けられて苦しんでる所をジョンが”内側”から俯瞰で聞いて「仕方無い」、「俺が全て悪い」と言葉を並べているのかなと感じました そしてその末の「ごめんなさい」

第一審まで「絶対許さねえ許しちゃいけねえ」って思ってたのに、第二審のボイスドラマ聴いてから気持ちが一気に「許す」に傾き始めている・・・人心・・・・。

@huwarari9926

6 ай бұрын

自分も赦すか赦さないか迷ってたけどボイドラ聞いてから一気に変わった あんなん聞いたら赦しちゃうに決まってるやろ…

I sure hope everyone is NORMAL and WELL BEHAVED this time

@StrawberryHerring

7 ай бұрын

The live chat was going crazy lol But yeah it was pretty tame... atleast until now.

@sesmo_TheCryptid

7 ай бұрын

Don't count on it, the fangirls are gonna go crazy

@mhaoreax6585

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@sesmo_TheCryptidas a fangirl can confirm i will be going crazy(already am)

@StrawberryHerring

7 ай бұрын

@@sesmo_TheCryptid As someone who's friend is a fangirl, I can confirm she's going nuts right now.

@user-vs2pr8ln7k

7 ай бұрын

If the live chat was any indicator? no

「俺が守るよ」「もう1人の俺が全部背負うから」って歌詞が全てを物語ってるな…………つらい…

@user-ex8ti9ii3c

7 ай бұрын

それな!つらい

@akgentiv

7 ай бұрын

😢

@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

7 ай бұрын

第一審のMeMeは 自分が2ついるって意味だったのか…

@helloex-6767

6 ай бұрын

​@@-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oなんかMeMeの頭文字である「M」がジョンくんを表していて「e」がミコトくんを表してる様に見えちゃう現象がががっ(意味不考察ですみません…)

@hifumiizanamisluvr

6 ай бұрын

Odasaku plushie??! 😮

I forgot to mention this but i really have to commend natsuki hanae for his brilliant VA-singing. The stark difference in tone when Mikoto is singing vs when John is singing is stellar.

@merkyuruu

6 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure this entire song is John singing. The lyrics are basically him talking to Mikoto, saying "hey you're going to break, so I'll save you" and whenever there's a first person pronoun it's always "ore" which Mikoto doesn't use. The only part that wouldn't be him is when Mikoto is speaking to his mother on the phone.

@soleilpeik

6 ай бұрын

@@merkyuruu youre right in that all verses are sung by john. but the chorus repeats its main tune twice. first time 0:37 is mikoto, second time 0:50 is john. its shown visually as well since its mikoto on the screen when this is sung, and john when it switches. additionally in the first part of the chorus no personal pronouns are used, 'ore' is used to start off the second rep for the chorus also at the end, mikotos doing the background vocals when he says "i dont know anything, etc," and john responds with "thats expected, im double," so on so forth.

@merkyuruu

6 ай бұрын

@@soleilpeik ahh you're right you're right, initially i had thought even if mikoto was onscreen, it was like john watching him and speaking to him. but rereading lyrics i realized which were the lines that only apply to mikoto.

一審のmv改めて見てきたけど、人格の切り替えとも言えるタイミングで、ルーティン的にミコトが頭を叩いてるんだよな。これが演出でなく、人格の切り替えを意図的に起こして、ストレスを発散しようとしてるともとれるわな。

@user-sh4mc2vf1p

7 ай бұрын

それがガチならミコトエグすぎる、二重人格自覚してるのに自分何も知らないなんでここに自分がいるの？ムーブしてるってことでしょ怖､､､

@user-po8po4xq7k

7 ай бұрын

これがガチならミコトのことめちゃくちゃすきになってしまう

@user-cv2vf8rk8e

6 ай бұрын

バランス取りは俺の仕事か、ってそういうこと:( ;´꒳`;):gkbr

@user-uq2fv3hz5x

6 ай бұрын

me meの歌詞の赦すとか明らかに穏やかな方の人格の方が凶暴な方の人格より上って感じだしね

@Nekasa1123

4 ай бұрын

無自覚に自傷行為してたらそれが切り替えのトリガーになった可能性を押したいけど無さそう……てそれかもう一人ボクがいるか……てか頭叩いてるとこが見つけらんねぇ観察力が足りぬ！！

John saying he's sorry for fucking up Mikotos life at the end.... Bruh, that was painful. The expression was so well animated 😭❤

@gazer2119

7 ай бұрын

im pretty sure that was mikoto saying it at the end! mikoto has shines at the top of his eyes while john/orekoto has them at the bottom 🤔

@thatminer7174

7 ай бұрын

​@@gazer2119it kinda works for both tbf. We know john is sorry and mikoto is likely too

@noahi.1381

7 ай бұрын

It works for both honestly and it makes Mikoto so much more interesting for it

@Keijikink

7 ай бұрын

@@gazer2119 yeah i'm pretty sure he's a people pleaser and that he realised he fucked up at some kind of point, I dont really think John would apologise for protecting mikoto

@DrachedesDonners

7 ай бұрын

@@Keijikink I think John more so apologises for basically getting Mikoto into trouble. also there's the use of 'Ore' just before so I'm inclined to think this was John and not Mikoto.

this is the best day of my life thank you mikoto kayano for existing

@omoriomoriomori

7 ай бұрын

omor

@mooniecake

7 ай бұрын

I KNEW I WOULD FIND U HERE HELP

@amburg37

7 ай бұрын

@@mooniecakeSHUTU P ZANDER I HATE U /J

@mooniecake

7 ай бұрын

is mikoto preppy.. /ij

@bugmuu

7 ай бұрын

Hai :3

「全部俺が背負うから」っていうのは、主人格のミコトが犯した罪も背負うってことかなと思うから、主人格も人に手をかけていると思う。。。

二審絡み始めた新参者だけど、一審で「赦さない」判決してくれた人たちありがとう。おかげでミルグラムに沼れたよ。めっちゃいい曲で何度も再生してる

Pointing out some details that maybe you already know: - The messages from 0:12 to the phone call at 0:18 was from someone called "Chief". I can't read what the first two messages are (since they are very long and I can't see them clearly) but the other two are "Hey, come back" and "Do you intend to ignore/abandon/give up your missions/duties/jobs?" -> The "Chief" was calling Mikoto to "come back" to work (so the first two messages might be about work) => Clearly Mikoto was overworking, and this is also a normal issue in Japan. (also Mikoto''s phone wallpaper is the tarot card "The Hanged Man" on his shirt in "MeMe") - At 0:18 and 1:18, the Japanese words are "Good morning" and it seems that Mikoto also saying "Good morning" at those frames too. - At around 1:19, Mikoto is sitting while his reflection on the window breaking down (sorry if I'm not using the right word). The next scene is Mikoto standing up, holding the baseball bat and smashing the mannequins => The one sitting and then standing up with a bat is John (for anyone who have no ideas who is John, he is Oretoko. John is the name Es gave to him, originally from "John Doe"), and also it's clearly a fact that John was formed from Mikoto's stress (that's why they showed him being stressful). - From 1:49 (Mikoto running), the word showing repeatedly is "Dream", and from 2:02 (John walking), the words are "savior" (there is an arrow pointing at John) and "save you". From 2:17 and 2:20, the words appearing are "Double" and "MeMe", respectively. [There are also a lot of letters (I don't even know if they are letters) that are blurry and unreadable appearing with these words, and some more at some other frames) - At 1:53, there's a pair of red eyes and at 2:17, there's a pair of blue eyes, both looking angry. - The lines, "If only I were never born, if only." "I'm sorry." can be seen as John's lines, showing that he feels guilty and sorry for Mikoto. What he did was to "save Mikoto from breaking", but in the end, what he did was still murdering, and since Mikoto has DID, what John did also affects Mikoto. In the voice drama, Es said something like "What John did is considered a sin" (I don't really think it is to blame Mikoto since the context of the sentence is about "What will happen to Mikoto, legally speaking"). I think John feels guilty for something like dirtying Mikoto's hands. (I am very sorry if what I said here is wrong or offend anyone since I'm still trying to get used to DID related terms and English is not my mother language. Please gently correct me if I'm wrong, thank you very much.) - The mannequins might represent the society, the strangers around Mikoto (and it kind of makes senses since John said he killed "some random strangers walking around"). The mannequins are also the same kind that appeared in "The Hanged Man", and since Mikoto is a designer, mannequins was used for symbolism. Overall the MV was amazing I have literally no words. In the end I just want to hug this poor dude he did so much for his family and his future, he really tried his best. Will forgive him for sure. *I edited it a bit after wandering on Twitter and other comments!

@TIME-fe6ne

7 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing all these with us! Realizing that Mikoto and John are singing the song together just makes it sadder :,)

@chzki

7 ай бұрын

@@TIME-fe6ne yes, especially in this song John sings more than in MeMe. And in Reversible Campaign cover too, makes me wanna cry I wish we could just hug them or sth ; ;

@TIME-fe6ne

7 ай бұрын

@@chzki and btw even though English is not your first language you expalined everything pretty well! I wouldn't have been able to tell that you weren't native if you didn't point it out yourself. Have some confidence man! Your English is better than some of the native speakers, believe me xD

@belychum

7 ай бұрын

Omg thank you for sharing so many details, also your English is excellent. Just that it wouldn't be "I think John feels guilty for something like dirty mikoto's hands" but "... something like dirtying mikoto's hands"

@chzki

7 ай бұрын

@@belychumjust fixed it, thank you for the correction!

At 2:17, Mikoto and “John” are having a conversation and it’s very sad. Mikoto is breaking down, and “John” is comforting him-But Mikoto is not aware of “John”’s existence, so he can’t hear him. That “I’m so sorry” is most likely an apology from “John” to Mikoto, not for us.

@marydah7392

7 ай бұрын

Wtf is John now

@kikoruyo

7 ай бұрын

@@marydah7392 orekoto, his alter “john” was a name given by es if I’m not mistaken

@Redheart709

7 ай бұрын

i disagree, since we can see which one is in control by their eye shines. mikoto has a shine at the top, and 'john' has a shine at the bottom. best seen at 0:48. also, when the train has bright lights outside, its mikoto. when the lights are black, its 'john'.

@nightsongmoon5641

7 ай бұрын

​@@Redheart709but still alters can communicate with each other even if one isn't fronting so this can be possible.

@nazunya

7 ай бұрын

@@Redheart709 i agree with all of the proof i just don’t understand why it would be mikoto saying it? the whole bit at the end does feel like a one sided conversation (since mikoto doesn’t know about “johns” existence) and so “john” being the one to say im so sorry makes more sense imo

最初の｢お前のためにやってやるよ｣の声が好きすぎる

ミコトって髪の色が全部ものがってる気がする 就職するから頑張ろうみたいな気持ちで染めた髪はブラック企業でだんだん染める暇も気持ちも余裕もなくなってもう金髪の部分が少なかったり、

2:16 ここ表と裏の会話っぽくて好き ミコト「覚えてないんだよ」 ジョン「しょうがないダブルなんだ」 ミコト「苦しかったんだよ」 ジョン「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「俺が生まれてこなけりゃこんな」 ミコト「なんでなんで」 ジョン「ごめんなさい」 みたいな感じで

@noatmealcookie02

7 ай бұрын

Oh, you're so right!

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

会話みたいですよね…！主人格と裏人格で葛藤してる…

@tasuku209

7 ай бұрын

決してジョンの言葉がミコトに届くことないのがなぁ

@user-bj9wq8gj9c

7 ай бұрын

@@tasuku209 そうなんですよね〜ジョンが苦しんでるミコトを見て労りの言葉を投げかけても謝罪しても本人には届かない、一方的でしかないっていうのが…

@CsMsLady80

7 ай бұрын

ジョンは誰ですか?

THE WAY HIS THUMBNAIL SITTING POSE IS THE SAME AS “MeMe” BUT WAYY MORE AGGRESSIVE NOW IS JUST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWRR 🔥🔥

@rinrinko

7 ай бұрын

YOU NOTICED THAT TOO??

@vibealong1191

7 ай бұрын

@@rinrinko YESSIRRRR WMWNAGIGNWIGNWRHG

@rinrinko

7 ай бұрын

@@vibealong1191 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

@Lee-Tea

7 ай бұрын

Holy shit that’s a nice detail

@limebeanz_

7 ай бұрын

the thumbnail from MeMe still creeps me out, his eyes looks empty 😭😭💔

So about Mikoto’s motive. I’ve seen a lot of people here say that he probably killed someone because he was stressed and lashes out. Or that John killed a bunch of people who annoyed him (which I highly doubt, but I explained that in another comment). So I wanna talk about a theory for why he killed someone which hasn’t been bought up here that often. It’s kinda hard to explain it here but here’s what I think happened. Mikoto was being stalked by someone, as MeMe has alot of motifs of cameras and being watched, and double has alot of eye motifs. I believe this was likely for sxual reasons as there’s lots of fanservice imagery in MeMe, especially when compared to other characters which have none of that imagery (especially Yuno) so why would Mikoto have both that sort of imagery if it’s not important in some way? I think something happened for Mikoto to realise this and possibly due to prexisting trauma he was particularly affected by this. Possibly to the point he felt like something like this could never happen again and attempted to hunt down the stalker and kill them. That’d explain why he had a baseball bat in a scene that looks premeditated. I’m not entirely sure on this but it could also be that he accidentally killed innocent people (or maybe not so innocent, as he killed a gang member) in a quest to find the true stalker. I believe this is what happened to lead Mikoto to kill, but he was so shocked and traumatised by the whole sequence of events that John took over, inheriting all of Mikoto’s memories of what he did and attempting to shift the blame onto himself. Because he’d never want Mikoto to get hurt for his actions, so he started portraying himself as an evil monster that poor innocent Mikoto has to deal with. Again this is just a theory but I feel like it’s interesting to bring up here as I definitely think he has a much more complex motive than “I just did it because I was stressed”. I feel like I might’ve not given the full context of this theory so I’d recommend checking out the original theory that was made for this which is a comment on the trailer video for double. And I also made a big theory on this on tumblr which you may find interesting.

@buhnanaaaa

6 ай бұрын

BRO FINALLY A THEORY ON THIS IVE LITERALLY BEEN SO CURIOUS ABT THIS TYSM UR THEORY IS SO COOL, IVE ALWAYS FELT WEIRD ABT THE THEORY THAT MIKOTO GOT TOO STRESSED SO JOHNS CREATED AND LASHES OUT.. I MEAN IT MIGHT BE TRUE BUT IT FEELS TOO SIMPLE YKWIM

@Yapuwfou

5 ай бұрын

I like the idea of Mikoto being the one to start but then John existing simply to take the blame, it gives a new meaning to all the reassurance John is giving in the song and explains why Mikoto is bound by Milgram and John technically isn't (I think John was able to lash out at Es or something, which the milgram prisoners aren't supposed to be able to do).

@LanieMae

5 ай бұрын

@@Yapuwfou yeah totally! Especially the lyrics “I’ll take it all on” which can also be translated as “I’ll shoulder/carry it all” which can be interpreted as him taking the blame to protect Mikoto

@phanthirakositjaroenkul7703

5 ай бұрын

❤

@starpeep5769

14 күн бұрын

omg tysm!!!!!!

I feel so sorry for Mikoto+John, Milgram really made them look as guilty as possible in the first trial by giving us almost no context for why John murdered someone, and Mikoto denying it because he mostly has no clue what's going on, except that part was less clear and it seemed like intentional manipulation to most of the viewers instead. Guilty before innocent happened and its ended up not so good. And even now we don't know exactly why John did all of that other than some sort of abstract "I'm protecting myself/Mikoto." along with the voice drama where John said that he killed the "annoying" people nearby him when he was first born, presumably after Mikoto was put under enough stress/trauma through a single big incident or a long term pressure to gain an alter, in which case John might have been lashing out at actual aggressors or just abusiveish people Mikoto hated putting up with? John keeps mentioning that if he wasn't made, then Mikoto would have "exploded" from the stress, which uh.... oof. There's also lines like "I think… I might be the person Boku(Mikoto) wishes he was. The person who stubbornly stands his ground, who doesn’t cry himself to sleep from stress, who gives people their payback." Which suggests some very toxic work environments, and coworkers/bosses that might've been the people John lashed out at, but maybe not since he didn't recognize them but at the same time he admits his memory was blurry from just coming into existence? Its complicated. The most worrying thing right now is that according to the voice drama, voting Innocent will probably lead to John disappearing since he won't be needed to protect Mikoto, which carries risk if the prisoners start trying to kill each other again (probably not since people aren't a fan of Kotoko trying to murder the others, but we do need to worry about Shidou potentially murdering her since he's innocent and able to do more things around the prison, and has mentioned "pulling out that fang" in his song, which Kotoko has called herself before). Voting Guilty will lead to Mikoto supposedly disappearing instead since according to John, all the stress of being guilty has led to John fronting more often, to the point that Mikoto might disappear from being unable to handle the stress? Either way there's not a lot of good options, and if Mikoto/John see this, I'm really sorry that yall were basically set up by Milgram to end up like this, and I just really hope that there's a good ending at the end of all this.

@Keijikink

7 ай бұрын

praying that if we vote him innocent it'll make john appear less because he'll be less stressed

@placeholderhere

7 ай бұрын

It was almost practically confirmed in the voice drama that John would disappear if Mikoto was voted innocent this time around? "Yeah. If you forgive(vote Innocent) Boku(Mikoto)… I’ll disappear."

@monbub

6 ай бұрын

I want to believe in this plan but it's basically meta-voting and I can't bring myself to do that again after seeing how badly it fucked up some of the other characters (mainly amane). I'm just going to go with my guts on this one and hope it turns out okay.

@LanieMae

6 ай бұрын

Tbh I think John was lying when he said he’d disappear if Mikoto gets innocent, something like that just doesn’t make sense. Mikoto disappearing if he gets guilty would make more sense as he’d probably go dormant due to stress but something like that wouldn’t happen vice versa

@starpeep5769

14 күн бұрын

​@@LanieMaeyeah... im pretty sure thats not realistic DID is it...

ボイスドラマ内容要約、 ミコトはストレスにより俺(ジョン)人格を作った、ジョンは看守が命名、 ミコトが赦されなかったことによりジョン人格が強く残りミコト人格が消えていっている。ジョンはミコトのことを赦してほしいと言っている、ジョンが全ての殺害を犯したと発言、赦してくれたらジョンは最終的に消えると発言 赦す→僕(ミコト)の人格が残る 赦さない→俺(ジョン)の人格残る 最終片方の人格が消えるっぽい？ ぜひボイスドラマ聴いてください！🙏訂正、不足ありましたらぜひコメントお願いします

@popypopy6041

7 ай бұрын

どう転んでも、ミコト(ジョン)の体はあと1人(もう片方の自分)を殺さないといけないんだな(；；)

ほんとはつらいのにお母さんに「大丈夫」って嘘までついて心配かけたくなかったんだなミコト君優しすぎるよ・・・

@PlantFood_

7 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@user-nu8zr4yn9o

7 ай бұрын

それなすぎる

@SANKAKU-minon

7 ай бұрын

​@@PlantFood_ MIKOTO didn't talk his mother about his distress because he don't want to cause his mother to worry about him. MIKOTO is too kind to break himself.

@user-un7tf7fh4b

7 ай бұрын

​@@SANKAKU-minon Sometime, I feel like I see myself in him, I don't want to worry my loved ones with my problems

@tukihotaru2193

6 ай бұрын

ミコトがお母さんに電話してるところなんだけど何か聞こえるんだけど子供の声かな…けど何かの悲鳴に聞こえるぽいんだけどもしかして辛すぎてミコトの幻聴が聞こえるのかなあ？

2:01 "hey, I just wanted to save you, so why did it come to this?". i'm crying all my tears rn.

I see John as a child who doesn't understand much. His desire to help the main personality. He observes the suffering and, because of his lack of knowledge, comes to the wrong conclusion. And so working hard and not getting the approval he needed (he wanted to be praised, from this line "count me to the savior), John is even more stressed. In the end, he realizes that he was moving on the wrong path. Because he wanted to protect his main personality and not be an enemy to him.

主人格のミコトともう1人の人格のミコト、どっちの感情で歌ってるの分かるのエグくね…？花江夏樹すごすぎる！！

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

花ちゃんは天才😊

@MeruselonyaRoneaHerloikFamlone

7 ай бұрын

(σ°∀°)σそれな‼️

第一審のときに、ミコトの裏人格がミコトに協力的なのか、主人格を乗っ取ろうとしてるのかどっちなんだろうって疑問だったんだけど、ダブルとボイスドラマを聴いて、本当に心からミコトを想っているのがミコトの裏人格(ジョン)なんだなとわかってから、ミコトのこともジョンのことも大好きになっちゃったな。MeMeの「ボクが僕を救ってあげましょう」も、ダブルの「俺が救ったハズだろう」も一片の嘘もないジョンの気持ちなんだよね ミコトが辛くても無理して笑って、ずっとずっと頑張っていたことをぜんぶ知ってて、ミコトが壊れる前に守ろうと救おうとして生まれた存在だからこそ、ミコトが赦されるなら俺が全て背負って消えるって選択をするのはあまりにも愛じゃん……。いま自分のせいで追い込まれているミコトを見て、「生まれてきてごめんなさい」って思うほどに苦しんでいるのもジョンなんだよね……… いまミルグラムという監獄に入れられて本当になにも知らないのに悪者になって追い詰めれているのは実際ジョンのせいだし、衝動的に赤の他人を殺したのはどうやっても赦されないことで、それを知ったミコトはジョンを憎むかも知れないけど、エスがジョンの気持ちに触れたようにミコトにも、どんなに辛くても絶対に自分の味方だった友がいたんだってことを知ってほしいな、と個人的には思ってしまう

1:48からのミコトが凄く性癖で好き これは赦せない

The only crime this man committed was absolutely killing it

@pissip

7 ай бұрын

Truly slayed

@duncanmoore3780

7 ай бұрын

and those manikins

@Ewhite.06

6 ай бұрын

literally too

@yuiseishino

5 ай бұрын

I’m dead (just like the victims)

「救いたかったんだよ」って歌詞があるんだけど、俺が生まれたのは僕を守るために生まれたから俺は僕を守ろうとしたのに「なんでこうなるんだよ」って気持ちは痛いほどわかるし、「生まれてこなきゃ」「ごめんなさい」と思うほどに僕のことを大切に思ってくれてるっていうところが赦してあげたくなった

@user-vj1fx3ny6l

7 ай бұрын

その気持ちはとてもよく分かります。「俺」は「僕」のために生まれて生きて、誰かを大事に思う気持ちもある。「俺」も頑張ったのでしょう。でも、「僕」のストレスをどうにかするために生まれたなら、「僕」に更にストレスをかけるようなことをしてはいけなかっただろう、とも思います。幼い子に反省してもらうために怒るように、「俺」に「そのやり方は「僕」を苦しめるから、ダメだったね」と言うつもりで赦さないと判断したい、と私は個人的に思います。 拙い文章で失礼しましたm(*_ _)m

@user-go1jc3nj1f

7 ай бұрын

​@@user-vj1fx3ny6l でもミルグラムに捕らえられてるのはジョンじゃなくてミコトだからジョンを許さないって事は出来ないんだよね、今僕たちが判決を言い渡せるのはミコトの事だけだから、

考察とか出来ないけど純粋に1審と2審でこちらの心を揺らごうとさせてくるキャラクター性とか世界観とかが本当に大好きだミルグラム

wanted to point out, at 1:49 mikoto is running from who knows what, and right after that it’s john with a bat. the angle and just way they run/walk reminds me of horror movies where the victims being chased by the killer

@LanieMae

6 ай бұрын

Actually quite a lot of stuff in Mikoto’s MVs is based off of western horror movies. Especially in meme where he’s in the shower represents how in a lot of movies it’s normally a woman getting attacked in killed in a shower and stuff, possibly portraying that mikoto/John are more of victims than anything or something bad happened in that scene

@Y4MIY4MI

9 күн бұрын

@@LanieMaei only spotted the psycho reference in the shower scene,, THERES MORE????

ジョンのパートが多いことで ミコトが起きてる時間が減っているのを表しているのすごくいい

過労によって追い詰められる⇒自分だけでは対応できないレベルまで疲弊⇒防衛機制として解離症状出始める⇒ 解離性同一症になったのかなと。 限界を迎えそうになった中で、無意識のうちの精神を守るために生まれてきたのがもう1人のミコトだった。 解離状態のときの記憶は途切れると言われているから、当然、通常の状態のミコト本人からしたら理解できないことだらけで、結果的に自責の念を覚える。 ｢生まれてきてごめんなさい｣は、そんなミコト自身の言葉でもあり、守るつもりで生まれた自分に対するもう1人のミコトの言葉でもあると思うが、、、辛すぎる…。

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

すごい…確かに解離状態の時の記憶はない人がほとんどだって言われてますよね…ミコトくん1人が悪い訳じゃない…😢

@liamhunter4154

7 ай бұрын

not how DID forms

@Painbringerr

7 ай бұрын

​@@liamhunter4154as a person w DID, I kinda think that maybe Mikoto had DID before, but like 1. either alters went dormance or 2. all of them were fused before the other one formed or 3. the alter was there before it all, but triggered by the stress many possibilities tbh

@HolicChan

7 ай бұрын

@@liamhunter4154and that’s why it’s a story, not real life

@HolicChan

7 ай бұрын

Makes perfect sense to me!

最近になって気付いたけど、目のハイライトがミコトの時は上、ジョンの時は下になってる気がする…。第一審でも確認したら、そうなってる描写があるので鳥肌たった…。 1:25の所で、ミコトとジョンがそれぞれ顔面ドアップで写るので分かりやすいと思います。 0:48と0:55が目のドアップ見れます。

2:17 noticed how to know who's the one talking in the convo between Mikoto and John. Mikoto's parts has pianos in the background while John's parts are mostly just guitar

Firstly, the song is INCREDIBLE. Secondly, we get some new insight on Mikoto’s internal thoughts. Interestingly, we don’t see the alter(s) and host merge at the end like we saw with MeMe. Thirdly, animation is BEAUTIFUL. Although another thing I find interesting is that there isn’t any tarot card symbolism but we get a phone call in exchange

@justinortiz3951

7 ай бұрын

i might be wrong but at the end of meme i always thought it was his aggressive alter punching his innocent one at the very end which for me kinda fits more with how this mv went with the aggressive alter seemingly chasing the innocent one to try and hurt him more

@iciarsoto8860

7 ай бұрын

​@@justinortiz3951 I think he was threatening Es.

@mahogania5536

7 ай бұрын

​@@buhnanaaaahe's a protective alter after all

@kiwi8725

7 ай бұрын

Ok but in the beginning his cellphone wallpaper is the hanged man I think, and in MeMe it’s in his shirt

@ven5507

7 ай бұрын

we sorta saw orekoto and mikoto merge at 0:36, no ?

赦すでいいだろ？って朝にサブスクで聴いた時はちょっと傲慢に聞こえたけど、mv見てボイドラ聴いてこれがジョンのミコトを許してくれって懇願だと思うと胸が痛い

だいぶ狂気的な曲とpvなのに社畜という事実だけでミコトのこと好きになりそう。なかなか推しが定まらなかったけどミコト推したくなってきたわ

第一審ボイスドラマの時にエスを襲ったのはただジョンの性格が凶暴だからだと思ってたけど本当はストレスからミコトを守るためだったんだな…

ミコトが二重人格になったきっかけが第2審MVで明白になるといいな。裏人格が主人格を守る為にやった殺人を主人格が罪を負うのはおかしいと思うから救われてほしい

@helloex-6767

7 ай бұрын

そうですよね…ただ心象で我々看守達に思い知らされたくない様裏ミコくんが装ったり記憶を変えてしそうでイヤだなぁ 言うたらムウみたいに時系列をバラバラにしたり信じ込ませるようなこと ミコトくんミルグラムの中でコトコさんの次に赦しちゃいけない(？)人物やから第二審でも赦さないになりそうで怖い 主人格の方を救いたい気持ち分かります……ミコトくんを救いたいし報われてほしいよ…因みに雰囲気ブチ壊すこと言っちゃいますけどサムネのミコトくん… めちゃくちゃ色気とｴｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯｯがあっていいですよね

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@helloex-6767わかる…裏人格は確かに赦されないかもだけど、それでミコトくんごと赦されなかったら主人格のミコトくんが不憫だよね…私の最推しでもあるから報われてほしいな… それと、サムネのミコトくんｴｯｯｯｯｯｯｯﾁｲのめっちゃわかります😇

@Kagu7115-asterisk-

7 ай бұрын

個人的にこうであって欲しいって言う展開だと、善ミコトが殺人犯して悪ミコトが凶暴なフリというか、凶暴な性格だから俺が悪いことにして殺人を犯した善ミコトの身代わり（救う）になってるって展開がめっちゃエモい。

@K-hj4up

7 ай бұрын

本当だよ…

@AMANE_0402

7 ай бұрын

みなさんの返信読ませていただきました、本っ当にそれなです…😭実は裏ミコくんが主人格の罪を庇って赦してほしいって言ってたらどうしようとか悪いことばっか考えてしまう…裏人格が好き勝手やったのか、裏人格が主人格の殺人を庇って主人格を守っているのかだとか色んな考察できますよね…！あともう少しなので皆さん楽しみましょう！！

1:50電車の中で逃げられない状況が、自分の中に得体の知れない物がいるから逃げられない状況でマッチしていて好きです

1:19ミコトくんの人格がジョンくんになってる時瞳のハイライトが下になってんの細かくて好き

@user-ww9xh9zi7x

6 ай бұрын

2:30 でごめんなさいを言ってる時は主人格のミコトってことかな？

@hontounonamaehaibu

6 ай бұрын

@@user-ww9xh9zi7x ハイライト説が本当ならそうなるんですよね…第一審の方も見てみたんですけど左右に分かれてるっぽいです…

I've been thinking about why we are judging Mikoto and not 'John'. I currently have three theories about it. 1. We are judging Mikoto's passiveness. I don't think Mikoto remembers much (or at all) of what 'John' did, however I do believe that he may be aware that there might be something wrong but is ignoring it. This is also in line with the differences the 10 prisoners has (faithful and unfaithful, bully and the bullied, etc.). Kotoko actively tries to save others while Mikoto dismisses and denies the feeling that there's something wrong since he's been under immense pressure already and what 'John' did may break him down more. 2. Mikoto is the one who killed. I still don't think he remembers. It's either 'John' was born/woke up from dormancy when Mikoto snapped and therefore he doesn't remember that he did it since the immense pressure and stress it gave him makes him break down and 'John' is his protector alter or Im not sure if it's possible to pass memories when 'John' split if it's the time he was born. 'John' wants to save him and protect him thus admitting to Mikoto's crimes since Mikoto doesn't know what he did and he doesn't want Mikoto to break down. This is his difference with Kotoko saving others, and him saving himself. 'John' doesn't want Mikoto to find out about his murder in order to protect his mental state. 3. Mikoto may really not be aware of 'John's' actions. He is the one being judged for he is the 'main personality (? Im not sure of the correct term)' and he has to be held accountable for the actions of the other identities too (I think it's called system accountability?). I'm really not well-versed about DID but I hope I didn't say anything offending;; I'm voting forgive either ways but I really hope the best for 'John' and Mikoto. Both of them looks really tired. I wish I could just hug them.

ドラパ聴いてジョンが、ミコトのこと本当に大切だって知れた。 自分が消えてでも守りたい存在なんだって伝わってきた。 ミコトは何も知らない。 もう1人の自分のことも、溜まっていくストレスの発散方法も。 ミコトを守る為に、壊れてしまわないように守ってくれる親友がミコトの中にいるんだよ。 気づいてあげて…

ボイスドラマ聞いて切なくなった ミコトを守るためにジョンは生まれたのに、結局はジョンのせいでまた苦しんでしまってるっていう地獄のループ入ってる…。 エスの優しい声とミコトの明るい部分とジョンのミコトへの思いやりに泣きました

この曲聞いて胸を締められた‥ 他人格が主人格を守ろうとするけど それは‥守れていなくて‥ ストレスで苦しくなると人は壊れてしまう‥救えたらいいなと思います‥ でもこれは、二次元でもなくてリアルにもあるから‥なんか苦しくなる‥ 身代わりがいないと気持ちを保っていけないのって‥ストレスが少しでもなくなる世の中になるといいな‥

今やっと気がついたけど、第一審では半々だったパート分けがダブルでほとんど裏パートになってるのは、ジョンの人格が安定してきてしまってたからなのか。 それがこんなにはっきり曲にも現れるとは……

0:45 Mikoto/Mikoto’s alter acknowledging that so many people in the fandom called him a faker and a manipulator (doubted his DID/OSDD despite the concrete proof) sent chills down my spine, I feel so sorry for him.

@Idontknow_418

7 ай бұрын

I feel guilty for thinking he was lying in t1 😭 Especially since i didnt know about the voice dramas

@aloafofbread4026

7 ай бұрын

I believe the lyrics from 0:35 to 0:49 is from Mikoto's perspective, the lyrics that follow after that is John

@cheyannegiles9772

7 ай бұрын

@@aloafofbread4026 i'm pretty sure this whole song is John

@aloafofbread4026

7 ай бұрын

@@cheyannegiles9772 Similar to MeMe, the contrast between the piano and the guitar instrumentals may provide a hint as to which alter is singing the lyrics. Even in the last part of the song, Mikoto and John sound like they're communicating with each other. Throughout the song, there are subtle differences with how John and Mikoto sing, with mikoto on the gentler side and john on the harsher side

@cheyannegiles9772

7 ай бұрын

@@aloafofbread4026 yeah, on second watch you're right. also the color of the windows shows who's being shown (White for Mikoto, Black for John)

お願い皆ボイスドラマ聞いて...

@chetarisin3035

7 ай бұрын

I've been binging the voice dramas

@user-nu8zr4yn9o

7 ай бұрын

最高でした……

@ytjunimo9536

7 ай бұрын

彼のどの「部分」が話しているのかを理解するのにとても役立ちました

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

聴きます！

@xakerie5762

7 ай бұрын

John 🫶

ジョンがめちゃボコしてんのがデッサン人形なの好き。デザイン系の仕事してるミコトくんの仕事でのストレスをこんな感じで人をストレス源に見立てて殺してたと思うと…🫶あと全体的にミコトくんに語りかけて歌ってるときのジョンの歌声優しくて泣く🤦‍♀️“俺が守るよ”の部分とか優しい声すぎん？？！？花江夏樹𝑩𝑰𝑮 𝑳𝑶𝑽𝑬______最後の部分ミコトくんに殺人目撃されて絶望してるジョンの顔も怖がってるミコトくんの顔もちゅき😘

I think we should vote to forgive Mikoto for this trial. Mikoto's other personality (referred to as John in the voice drama) only exists to protect Mikoto from the large amounts of stress he was experiencing. In the voice drama, Es notes that John is manifesting more clearly due to the stress our first Guilty verdict caused for Mikoto. Another Guilty verdict would possibly lead to John completely erasing Mikoto due to the increased stress it would lead to Mikoto undergoing. On the other side, John says in the voice drama that an Innocent verdict would cause him (John) to disappear. The voice drama makes it abundantly clear that John's biggest priority is just to keep Mikoto safe, and John clearly recognizes that his existence is detrimental to Mikoto's well being. John says "If only I were never born" and "I'm so sorry" at the end of the music video as he regrets the harm he's caused to Mikoto through his murders. Because of John's clear goal of keeping Mikoto safe, it is unlikely that John is lying about the Innocent verdict causing him (John) to disappear. Throughout the second voice drama, John claims that Mikoto had no knowledge of any of the murders happening. This is backed up by the first trial voice drama where Mikoto clearly has no idea that he committed a murder, even believing that Milgram is a show of some sort. John sings "All I (in reference to Mikoto) did was dream, and that's what you found GUILTY?" to show that Mikoto honestly had no idea that any of those crimes were happening. A guilty verdict for this trial would just be punishing Mikoto for something that he had absolutely no control over.

@josuawhite2209

7 ай бұрын

"boku" so stress right now because restrained. "ore" not restrained by milgram rules, but why "ore" not kill anyone yet? Why he not attack anyone except kotoko? It's not even attack, he just self defense because kotoko attack him. Why you just believe someone who protect the killer? This "ore" not even know why he killing, how many he kill, and who did he kill, that why it's all manequine because he dont know shit. The one who killing keep lying to you and say he innocent. In first MV its obvious he attacking people with some characteristic. Because first MV is about "boku". "ore" job is protect, and so he lie to you saying "it's all my fault, I kill everyone random, idk who, idk why" and you just accept his word like that?

@Caggard3

7 ай бұрын

@@josuawhite2209 The songs and music videos are supposed to be expressive of the character's mental states, so we can trust this music video at least. This video is about the "ore"'s mental state. If he was lying in order to protect the "boku" then why would he express regret at the end of the video. The "ore" never committed a crime so the only possible thing he could be sorry for is lying to protect "boku" which he clearly doesn't regret. I think the first music video is meant to be a mashup of "boku" and "ore's" perspectives, which is why the murders are presented clearly. In MeMe, there is a line saying "'I' will save 'me.'" This line lines up with "ore"'s clear attitude towards saving "boku" shown in Double and the second voice drama. There has been no evidence at all to suggest that "boku" knows or cares about "ore" even if "boku" committed the murders, so this line in MeMe must be said by "ore." As such, MeMe must contain both perspectives. MeMe also shows that at least one perspective doesn't know about the murders with their repeated asking of "why am I here" and "it must be a mistake." "ore" has shown to have some knowledge about the murders committed. He uses a bat to break the mannequins in this video which implies he knows the murder weapon which he wouldn't know if he didn't remember it. Because of this and the aforementioned line in MeMe, "ore" is likely the only one with knowledge about the murders and therefore their perpetrator. I think the reasoning for why he doesn't know how many or who he killed is that he didn't care. It was just random acts of violence. I don't know why "ore" didn't attack anyone between the two trials, but wouldn't it make sense for him to attack people if he was lying about killing people to protect "boku". Him attacking people would give credence to the belief that "ore" is the one doing the killing, which according to you is what "ore" wants. Additionally, we know that "ore" is shown to have violent tendencies in the first voice drama where "ore" attempts to beat Es to death giving further evidence to the fact that "ore" is the murderer.

@dd89970

7 ай бұрын

I personally don't believe John (ore) is the murderer - I believe Mikoto committed murder(s) and John was created to protect him from the trauma and stress of it. Because of the trauma, Mikoto can't remember any of that. I believe John only acts violent to cover for Mikoto as he said he would do anything for Mikoto. So he definitely would lie and beat ppl up. The fact the we still haven't seen the main murder, meaning the face/live body of the victim(s) would indicate that the mannequins in the video were fake or not killed. Mikoto is also recognized as a murderer by Milgram and is therefore bound by the rules of the place, whereas John is free and therefore hasn't murdered anyone. This is enough of an evidence for now for me to believe Mikoto is the murderer and therefore not forgiven, as we are only judging for Mikoto here, not John.

@Caggard3

7 ай бұрын

​@@dd89970 I do think that its an interesting theory that Mikoto could've committed the murder and then forgotten it out of trauma, it just seems more likely to me that John was the murderer. The murder victims were likely just multiple random people like John said in the voice drama. There is no reason for John to lie about this, since lying about it only makes Mikoto's situation worse. I don't think its very likely that Mikoto killed multiple people and repeatedly forgot about it. The only reason I can think of Mikoto killing anyone is the stress that this music video and the voice drama highlights Mikoto undergoing. However, we know that John manifests when Mikoto is under high stress. Any subsequent murders after the first one would lead to John manifesting before they could begin to take place (assuming they were due to stress). John also clearly regrets something in this music video. He says he "if only I were never born" and "I'm sorry" which mimics lines he said in the voice drama. I can't really think of anything that he'd regret doing assuming John never killed anyone. Maybe its in reference to the murders committed by Mikoto, but John never being created wouldn't have affected these murders so I don't know why he'd wish he was never created. Maybe Mikoto only committed the first murder and John committed the subsequent murders, however this still seems unlikely because of the way that John refer to himself as the person Mikoto wishes he could be. John states that Mikoto wishes he could stand up for himself or deliver just desserts to people, but it seems weird that John would mention this if Mikoto was able to actually do that in the way that John does. I honestly do agree that its strange that Mikoto is the one on trial rather than John, and the only reason I can think of for this being the case is just that Mikoto is the original owner of the body that killed those people.

@dd89970

7 ай бұрын

@@Caggard3 the person who killed someone in MeMe was probably Mikoto, he was calm and sad, had very different, almost calculative llook in his eyes than John. That person did not seem to be random person. I just cannot quite believe the easy conclusion on this case. There's so much against it. Edit. Just a speculation and not based on anything but the tone of voice of John, but he did seem to belittle the victim(s), so he could have lied out of panic. After all when he heard about the death sentence, he did panic and tried to make the killings seem like his doing. He would kill multiple ppl. Mikoto wouldn't. So I believe he tried to make this crime his by lying, when all Mikoto did was murder someone he probably knew. A victim who was shown in MeMe but not revealed yet. Edit 2. Ok now I'm just messed up. Why is this only on train indeed, when MeMe murder happened outside? Who was murdered? Why? I don't think we can rely on John, as he's trying to save Mikoto. He's definitely hiding something.

1:12〜、ミコト側の硝子にはジョンが映ってないけど、ジョン側の硝子にはミコトが映ってる。ジョンはミコトを想っているけど、ミコトは気が付いてないことを表してるようで泣けてしまった。(ミコトは顔を覆って俯いてることからも考察できますね……。)

I absolutely love how this song showed that the alter isn’t actually evil and was only trying to protect Mikoto. DID is so misrepresented in media so it’s good to see something like this take a step in the right direction. Edit: I’m not saying it’s strictly good representation, yes there is problems with it but it is going in a more realistic and sympathetic direction than what it usually is in media

@artem_wah111

7 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!! I was so scared that this was just gonna be another "hehe murder alter" type of deal, so I'm really happy that it's not. I'm friends with a DID system, and I've seen how the media's representation of systems has negatively affected them, so it's nice to see that things might be starting to change for the better :) Edit: I want to make it clear that I'm aware that Mikoto's system is still not perfect representation and that it does still align with unfortunate stereotypes, but it does seem a lot more fleshed-out (if that makes sense?) than other systems portrayed in media. That's what I was referring to in my original comment!

@VampiricCultist

7 ай бұрын

I really love this song too! Especially how it takes into account how most people develop DID as a result of trauma/stress, and how the alter is "the protector" or "savior" of the person.

@kyebunny66

7 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to break it to you but this isn't the good DID representation you're thinking it is. If you listen to the voice drama the aggressive alter (named John by Es) admits that he's just killing people because he wants to hurt people and take out Mikoto's stress on others. He is definitely not the protective alter you think he is. Yes, he wants to protect Mikoto but from his own (Johns) actions. His argument is that Mikoto didn't commit the crimes so he should not be guilty for them which isn't how systems should work. If one person in a system committed a crime, all of them are responsible. He's definitely guilty.

@gebbygeb3547

7 ай бұрын

@@kyebunny66 From another DID system, I'd argue that the milgram team is still giving some justice for this condition, acknowledging the alter roles & the diagnosis. With the way Milgram works, not even the voice drama can be judged at face value 😭😭 Forget the story context though! Like just because the guy with DID is guilty, doesn't mean the show is representing it badly. Probably with this, people can explore the concept of writing a DID character too. Milgram's setup allows you to dissect motives within each character, and with Mikoto even more so. (this is like 3 steps ahead of where we wanted this to go: wanting people to know that people with DID aren't monsters) He could just be a first good critique of media (and us on the internet, regardless of having DID or not) failing to address the consequence of this disorder- somehow we always end up with two extremes: Moon Knight, or Split. In the end, you being an alter cannot exempt your host from consequences. And the host shouldn't hide, glorify, blame or rid their alters out of inconvenience. No superpowers to make you sympathize or idolize him, no sugarcoat, nothing. Just some guy and his alter, with an exaggerated example of consequence (murder).

@LanieMae

7 ай бұрын

@@kyebunny66 and you really think John/orekoto is telling the truth there? It should be pretty clear that he was acting out as a monster at the start and became more docile after Es wasn’t phased by that, and slipped back into that persona when discussing a sensitive topic such as the murder/s and saying that he did it bc they were annoying him to make himself look like the bad guy and to protect Mikoto from any further stress

考察とか全くできないからあれなんだけど、アニメーションがマジでダンチで作画良すぎるのと最後のごめんなさいがどっちのごめんなさいなのかわからないところが良い…… 元のミコトなのか、もう1人のミコトなのか、あるいは双方の言葉なのか……

ボイドラマジで良かった… MV先に見ても最高だしボイドラ▶︎MVの流れで見るとまた更に最高に楽しめるから本当にマジで最高すぎる 1:18の所ジョンがミコトを客観視して少し微笑んだ後に行動してる感じか｢お前のためにやってやるよ｣感凄くてマジで今回クオリティ高くて本当にMILGRAM最高

ミコトくんの歌って他の囚人と違って伴奏、バックサウンドが特別大きい気がして、ミコトくんの声が聞きづらいんだけど、これはミコトくんの主人格の弱さとか裏人格の葛藤とかを表してる気がして、ほっんとうに作りこんでて好き……。

おつかれ , おはよう って、ミコトくんに真っ先に言ってる裏人格くんが1番優しいよね…

Here's what i realised while watching both MVs. On the train Mikoto and John are sitting facing each other. On Mikoto's scenes, the train is going to the RIGHT and on John's scenes it's going to the LEFT. It goes like this the whole video except one scene. (1.55). It's Mikoto singing, train is going to the RIGHT but we see blood splatting everywhere. This might mean two things: a) Mikoto actually killed or b) Mikoto knew John killed. So he'e either the murderer or a witness. Also if we come back to the first MV, during the murder scene, at first when the killer is walking to the victim with a bat, the train is going to the LEFT, indicating it's JOHN. Then suddenly when the victim raises his hand, the train starts moving to the RIGHT, indicating Mikoto fronts and the train keeps going to the RIGHT during the murder, so the real killer is MIKOTO. Mikoto says he just dreamed so maybe while he fronted during the murder, he thought he was dreaming and swang that bat thinking it was just a dream. Maybe he didn't even realise it was reality. This is why milgram counts mikoto as the prisoner, not john. On first MV, a tarot card "the devil" falls on MIKOTO, and he becomes devastated when he saws the card. He realises that he actually killed, but he's still in denial. On both MV's "hanged man" signifies MIKOTO. On MV1 "the fool" signifies John (it means a new beginning/a fresh start acording to google) At the end of the MV, one of them gives the "death" card to another but i'm not sure what exactly that means. On the second MV John looks like one of the tarot cards on the first MV "the chariot". Acording to google that card means "determination, success and control". Maybe he thought Mikoto would be happier if he would make his fantasies come true (on second voice drama, john signals that mikoto kinda had fantasies about killing?). So JOHN just set the scene and let MIKOTO Kill. JOHN was in control and succeeded his goals of making mikoto's dream come true, while mikoto just thought that he was dreaming. Now that they are in Milgram and getting judged, John is trying to save Mikoto, while Mikoto is not so aware of his crime.

@mc_mcunicorn9824

7 ай бұрын

To your statement about 1:55, I see it more as Mikoto being "absent" when John murdered the people, as the following scene at 2:13 is of John swinging the bat as blood and mannequin parts splatter around (in the same fashion as the previous scene). Leads me to believe the two scenes are supposed to be the same moment, just from Mikoto's (missing) and John's point of view.

@LanieMae

6 ай бұрын

@@mc_mcunicorn9824but technically John swung the bat at nothing, so I’m doubting that was really him doing it

ミルグラムで一番好きかも。優しい声で激しい曲歌うの良いな。 MVも良…

I doubt mikoto's alter will continue killing if he's voted innocent. The song shows the guilt and regret the alter has for making mikoto's life accidentally worse

@flakops5194

7 ай бұрын

according to the VD if mikoto’s voted innocent his alter will just straight up disappear

@0509_m

7 ай бұрын

if you havent listened to the vd yet, john (mikoto's alter, the name is given by es) gives us two possible outcomes: with an innocent verdict, john will no longer be needed as mikoto wont be in danger anymore. he will likely go dormant and "dissappear" with a guilty verdict, mikoto will stop fronting altogether and probably go dormant, as the stress will become so bad that only john will be able to hold it for them. of course the reality is more nuanced than that, but taking john's words at face value gives us an interesting dillema. going innocent though because he does. not deserve to suffer. neither of them do.

@tylerclapp9422

7 ай бұрын

@@0509_m Well. I don't know about "Neither of them". John, be it for Mikoto's case or not, killed at least one to a few innocent people who did nothing nor had anything to do with Mikoto's situation. Let's not forget that from the outside in John had essentially murdered people for no other reason than "they looked at me funny." Understand that this has a greater affect to the people related to the victims, families and loved ones. This would've been a different scenario all together if the people John killed were directly tied to Mikoto's suffering, but unfortunately they weren't. In the world outside of Milgram, the people would not stand for it and demand justice. Mikoto's life is forfeit because of his alter's actions. That said I do want to believe in what John was saying. That he doesn't care what happens to him so long as Mikoto is spared. We're also given the unique privilege of being in a sort of super natural situation to where we could theoretically confirm weither or not John will keep his word and disappear on a forgiven virdict. The ultimate proof of this would be giving John another chance to act out violently... that being giving Kotoko a GUILTY. the one who hurt and harmed Mikoto, now left in a vulnerable position. If he takes NO action, and John does as promised, then this should all ultimately pan out to where Mikoto will be able to move on. There is also the possibility that Mikoto becomes fully aware of the consequences of John's actions as well as John's existence and decides to take responsibility for it all. In short. Due to these circumstances I'm willing to give Mikoto the innocent vote because I as well as many others find Mikoto himself innocent, not John. Should John not follow through on his word and his existence continues to remain active within Mikoto's mindscpe via Milgram's T3 introvideo, then Mikoto will ultimately end up Guilty.

@chousiria

7 ай бұрын

​@@flakops5194honestly,are we sure orekoto/john knows how to "disappear" ? From what I know about systems (please correct me if i'm wrong!!) orekoto could at the very atleast go dormant.

@akiraigarashi2874

7 ай бұрын

@@0509_m Why would you trust a cold blooded murderer tho.

The frustration displayed by the both of them is so lit. Mikoto feels confused and in distraught while Orekoto is feeling kinda guilty for hurting the people around him and Mikoto as well despite having good intentions. The song and va is so nice too holy shit

ダブルの方だけ聴くとジョン（裏ミコト）が殺人を繰り返してて、表のミコトは正真正銘の清廉潔白…って感じだけどボイスドラマで指摘された通りMeMeの時点でなんかミコトの心象風景（タロットカード弄ってた部屋）は廃墟だし、悪魔のタロットが両面表になってたのも怖い 初犯はミコト（表）の犯行で、それが引き金になってジョンが出てきたと考えるとミコトが殺人犯として収監されたことに辻褄が合うような…

@stultusvanitas4562

6 ай бұрын

ボイスドラマでのエスの「何人、殺した？」という問いに対して、「記憶にねぇ。その時初めて生まれたもんでな」的なことを言っていたので、その時あれ？と思いました。 殺しすぎて数えてないというのならまだしも、「その時初めて生まれた」という表現は明らかにおかしいですよね。 でも表の方も嘘をついているわけではなさそうだし、初犯の記憶は一体どっちが持っているんだろう…？

2:27 「ごめんなさい」で最後に映ってるのジョンの方だと思ってたんだけど、電車の外が明るいからミコトだって気づいた。なんとなくその後もう一回それを意識して見たんだけど、2番の「全部背負うから」 1:24 の後のシーンで、電車の外が明るいときと暗いときがある。向かい合って座ってたし、その後ミコトが乗っている車両だけ血まみれになってたから、多分目の前でやったんだと思うけど、曲の最後のシーンも含めて、ミコトにジョンは見えてないのかな？同じ車両にいるのは二人の境目が曖昧になってきたとか？他にも、一番最初の「おはよう」 0:17 が、文字は逆だけど色的にはミコトのセリフっぽいし…ジョンに話しかけてる？ 2:11 でジョンが人を殴ってないのに、向こうから血と人が飛んでくるのもおかしいし、これ多分 1:58 と同じシーンだと思うんだけど、ミコト映ってないし、ミコトがやったと考えたら辻褄が合うといえば合う気がする…。 2:16 でついてなかった血が、最後急に二人の右手についてるのも謎だし…。MeMeの方でも「飲み込んだマイナスのイメージが僕を抱き締めてくれたの」とか、ミコト気づいてる？って歌詞が色々あるし、考えれば考えるほど、本当にミコトは何もしていないのかとか、ジョンがミコトを庇っているのかもしれないとかを考えて、マジで悶えてる。ただの的外れな勘違いであってほしい…

0:12 「今日出してた初稿だけどやっぱりB案の方がいいから朝までに作り直しといて」 「あと忘れてたけど例の件赤字たっぷりあるから修正しとけ。これも明日朝入稿だったからまとめてよろしく」 「おい帰ってこい」 「職務を放棄するつもりか？」 憧れてたから尚更辛そうな感じあるなー…

曲の話なんだけど。第一審の一人称は「僕」だったのに第二審だと「俺」になるの天才

@user-kl1ov6hz6p

7 ай бұрын

ジョンのおかげやな

@plasticbagturtle48

7 ай бұрын

​​@@pozordeti123voice drama

@user-uk4nj3xd7m

7 ай бұрын

⁠@@pozordeti123you should listen to his new voice drama, and you can understand why his second personality is called John.

@euanthomas749

7 ай бұрын

Its like John doe

@user-hj4zf7uy1c

7 ай бұрын

一審目はミコト目線が多いけど二審目はジョン目線が多いからなあ

こんないい曲なのに､ 最高のMVと花江夏樹さんの声で終始ドキドキしてしまった自分がいた

I think people are not realizing that killing someone else doesn't have to be directly or with your hand in milgram. Kazui with his secret drove his wife to suicid*. In that retrospect i believe mikoto is ignoring john's existence and the problems that are occuring around him even when he wakes covered up in blood. Being a bystander can be just as bad as the assailant

@jjjejjejj5358

7 ай бұрын

TRUE

@Eskun8998

7 ай бұрын

FACTS they wouldn’t wait 2 trials to “reveal” that mikoto randomly killed someone, i think his crime is the birth and ignorance of John

@iciarsoto8860

7 ай бұрын

​@@Eskun8998 I completly agree

「限界シカトして頑張ってたんだな」「あんなに頑張ってたんだよ」 ミコトはただ認めて励ましてくれる人を必要としていた。ジョンがしたことはミコトの望んだことじゃなかった。とんでもない悲劇だ... それはそうとジョン健気でかわいい

優しい方の人格の時にはDREAMって書いてあるけど、守る方の人格にはSAVE YOUって書いてあるの鳥肌……

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

7 ай бұрын

やば…すごすぎる…

@fuziLove1225

7 ай бұрын

どの辺に書いてあるか分かりますか…？

@user-tq9yh7xx1u

7 ай бұрын

1:48 辺りのところからですね！！

@fuziLove1225

7 ай бұрын

@@user-tq9yh7xx1uありがとうございます😭😭😭

今更だけど「今日も準備した中の中の下笑顔で」っていう歌詞、ミコトが無理して作り笑いを朝から準備してたみたいな感じになるんだね MVとか歌詞に考察する内容たーーくさんあって面白いミルグラムはこれだから好きなんだ

Here is a very rough layout of who is singing :p John 0:00 - 0:36 Mikoto 0:36 - 0:49 John 0:49 - 1:05 John again 1:11 - 1:24 Mikoto on the phone with Mom 1:25 - 1:34 (While John is turning the mannequins into pinaytas) Mikoto 1:35 - 2:01 John 2:01 - 2:16 Mikoto "I don't remember a thing" John "It couldn't be helped, I'm DOUBLE (meme)" Mikoto "I was having such a hard time" John "I was trying so hard" Mikoto "Why, why" John "if only I were never born, if only" Mikoto "Why, why" John "I'm sorry" The last 4 lines where they are going back and fourth was a little trickier to decifer as to who was talking for me personally :p It makes and doesn't make sense as to John saying those lines, because I know John and Mikoto both are insecure about themselves so it could honestly be interchangeable. But if we are going based on what John told Es about how Mikoto doesn't know about John, then I feel like it is John saying those lines and Mikoto is just saying the "Why, why" lines. It is also heartbreaking to see both of them distraught at the end 2:30 Showing a twist of the album cover but this time both are shown to show similar emotions (fear/sadness), instead of the scared (Mikoto) and Angry (John) lmk what you guys think :)

@nazunya

7 ай бұрын

ive seen some people say mikotos the one saying “im so sorry” at the end because of the fact the highlight in his eyes are on top at the end (mikotos shine is on the top, “johns” shine is on the bottom) + the fact the trains windows are white… and i do agree with those things, i just don’t know WHY mikotos the one saying sorry if it is him

@Michiilada

7 ай бұрын

@@nazunya it could honestly be interchangeable, I think both Mikoto and John are sorry. I think it might also be that Mikoto and John switched back right after all these murders and Mikoto is in shock possibly??? It is not entirely clear though, but if we are going based on this, Mikoto is aware of the murders then due to the fact he is staring at all of the blood and him doing his smile and (not audible) laugh/chuckle that he does when he is trying to lighten the mood like he mentions he does in the voice drama? Again the ending is a little ambiguous as to who is present I guess due to the shine

彼が「ごめんなさい」と言う部分が本当に私の脳の良い部分に響きました

@doordonut-.-281

7 ай бұрын

Same, it did for me as well

2:01 次に着く駅が文字化けしている ミコトが入りたい企業に就職して、想像以上に辛い日々を送っていく中で、何を目指せば良いのか、辛い日々の先に何があるのかがわからなくなってしまったのを表してるのかな……

I simply cannot believe that I learnt of this masterpiece that is Milgram because of a thristy instagram edit about this boy. Well, I'm not complaining lmao

I love how the light in his eyes flips depending on who's fronting 😩

@espresso_beans

4 ай бұрын

Wait I just noticed that omg

I’m thinking maybe Mikoto was an office slave who was so overworked that he barely had any time for himself and his dreams which is why in MV1 he comes home and immediately goes to sleep and in this MV he’s more stressed. It’s most likely that Orekoto unleashed the stress that Mikoto faces in his work environment and is the one that is helping Mikoto survive by unleashing that stress and Orekoto thinks that they’re saving Mikoto because that’s his purpose.

@AndraJapan2

7 ай бұрын

you are not wrong a comment in Japanese wrote out what was said bless them they have a 12 second time stamp. His phone was being blown up by i think a boss trying him to rework the mistakes his assignments by morning. etc.

@_-laly-481-_

7 ай бұрын

@@AndraJapan2 Asking him to rework his assignments by the morning and come back to work all that at midnight, yeah

@Minho_Eamonn

7 ай бұрын

in MV1, I think he doesn't go to sleep, more like he's crying on his bed sheets...?

One thing interesting to note is that at first glance it appears the broken mannequins are supposed to represent Mikoto’s victims. But if you think about there’s no blood on Mikoto or his bat, so he probably didn’t kill them.

@andresvalencia7751

7 ай бұрын

Maybe in that moment was his innocent personality instead of the murder one. So he see himself a someone who didnt do anything

@aldarara09

7 ай бұрын

nice detail! I think the manequins represent mikoto himself or more like, members of his system. they were also on the tarot cats in meme, including the hanged man shirt

@LanieMae

7 ай бұрын

@@aldarara09 I saw a theory once that those mannequins are supposed to represent other alters that went dormant due to repeated trauma and the reason why Orekoto is so obsessed with protecting Mikoto from all of the bad stuff is because the others “broke apart” because of that

@WiffleWaffIe

7 ай бұрын

Maybe Mikoto killed them himself & not his alter?

@PhoenixHeartCure

7 ай бұрын

That is certainly a very interesting detail...looking forward to seeing what's actually going on in the video

1:25 If yall look closely Mikoto has white/gray hair (if you look it up in google why some people being young/on early 20s have gray hair one of the reasons its because of stress.) 🙁

@Mikotosmeowmeow

7 ай бұрын

*aggressively sobs*

ミコト自体はめちゃくちゃ優しい子なんだと言うことがわかって…しかも、ジョンの献身的な言動が……

2:09 考察とか全く関係ないんですけど、予告ホームランがとても好き…殺意マシマシじゃん…

i love how in 1:49 - 2:01 while he's running as Mikoto the drums and guitar are really messy, whereas from 2:02 - 2:16 when he's "John" it sounds more coherent and in-tune with the singing idk what it means just thought it was cool

@fundsrblx6306

5 ай бұрын

Good observation i think its like that cause mikoto is stressed 24/7 but john or orekoto isnt cause he’s “protecting” mikoto by preventing his suicidal thoughts (cause he’s overworked and someones breaking point would def be suicide).

今回赦したらミコトは消えずにジョンだけ消えるかもしれないけど、そしたらまた新しい防衛本能として別人格が出るだけな気はする

ミコトを守るために生まれたはずの人格のせいでミルグラムに収容されているの皮肉やな

update: HIGHLY recommend watching the voice drama for mikoto, where es states that we're only judging mikoto, not "john," his criminal alter. after this, i'm actually leaning innocent on this vote! wow, what an amazing song. i think this points more strongly towards mikoto having dissociative amnesia and pleading a sort of insanity defense...i still find him quite guilty after this, though

@gebbygeb3547

7 ай бұрын

t h is this could be it 🤣 but they really did their homework to take us in the DID twist!! still quite well researched!!

@isumisakuraba1819

7 ай бұрын

He will never become a good person overall cuz we're always judging just Mikoto so the alters can be evil no matter what. It kinda sucks-

@cheyannegiles9772

7 ай бұрын

@@isumisakuraba1819 His alter isn't evil, he's trying to protect Mikoto

@prismcherry8879

7 ай бұрын

@@gebbygeb3547 As someone with DID, it's really not ToT

@wa_akii6873

7 ай бұрын

WE'RE NOT JUDGING BOTH?????? ok thats great ill vote inno

血がついた両手で髪をかきあげた表情天才すぎだろ…！！！！！語彙力死んだわ

〖ネタバレ注意⚠️〗(長い) ボイスドラマとこのMV見て思ったんだけど、 別人格(ジョン)は、最初から最後まで主人格(ミコト)を護るためにやっていて、 人をコロしたのだって産まれたばっかで多分自分の役割そんなに把握してないだろうし、あの性格でミコトが受けてたストレスを一気に背負ったなら当然の行動だと私は思う。 ミコトが入った会社は憧れの会社だって言ってたから簡単には辞めれないだろうし、積もりに積もって潰れちゃうより、ジョンを産んで少しでもストレス軽減させるのは個人的には良い判断だと思う。 ただ、ほんとに偶然、ジョンの性格がああだった故の殺人だから、ミコトはなんも悪くないと思う。 強いて言うなら悪いのは、ミコトにストレスを与えすぎた社会(会社)と、多重人格故の自分以外の人格が行動してる時に記憶が無い性質かな。

(Comment won't make sense if you haven't heard his Second Voice Drama) So I'm more of a casual Milgram fan, but I've definitely had a theory regarding Mikoto's MV's that any of the violence conducted inside buildings isn't real, and not in a Symbolism Fashion, but in a "This is something that feels real to Mikoto but isn't". To my understanding, it's common for people with Dissociative Identity Disorder to feel as if their dreams are real and not really be able to tell the difference between the two of them at times. To explain where this violence theory came from: Basically in MeMe the bathroom scenes where Mikoto is cleaning blood off of himself has John appear in the mirror (Especially when paired with the bloodbath scene that gets paired with "This is all a bad dream"), which can't happen in real life. However, we do have one murder scene under the moonlight where Mikoto was killing and hiding the body that sticks out for being outside. Assuming that one is outside because it's the one that is real, we're able to tell it's real as audience members, sure, but that also means we need to understand if 9/10 times the violent situations he feels happened aren't real and were just (day)dreams... there's an understandable reason for Mikoto wouldn't believe the 1 time it was real. Especially when, as made explicit by this MV, Mikoto tries to please everyone around him and not cause a fuss. Pairing that with the fact people will look at you funny if you try to say "I'm going to kill someone or myself if something doesn't change right now" at best and then attempt to stop you, rather than stopping what makes someone reach that point, I feel Mikoto also points that kind of thing inwards, but John is more comfortable with those urges. Which I think is the point of the mannequins, and not that John literally killed people. Just he's more comfortable fighting back. I still strongly think Mikoto was the one to kill who I assume is his Chief (The name on Mikoto's phone sending him messages), given if you rewatch the murder in MeMe, John's haggard appearance we can differentiate the two with isn't there at any of the scenes outside. I trust John's admission that he doesn't remember, and murder is something traumatic enough to repress, it's telling that we only get ambiguous mannequins getting smashed in this MV, versus in MeMe, where we actually have the entire thing playing out. (Won't dig into this point too much for many reasons, but worth pointing out the nonanswers John gave to Es asking about the murder, versus detailing the physical spats he and Kotoko had.) This Isn't meant to sway voting one way or the other. I just want to get these feelings out there that I haven't seen anyone else really voice, and say, 1. Despite what the MV shows, I don't believe John killed anyone, and is perpetuating the idea of being a "Monster" to lie (Because we know he's not bound by the rules of Milgram and could do this) and keep Mikoto safe despite how doing that is a massive contradiction of that very idea, and 2. The whole situation is especially sucky for Mikoto given he likely puts forth waaaay more effort forth to appear normal and sane compared to someone without his mental state, just for it to come crumbling down from one shitty situation.

どんな雰囲気の曲なんだろう…イントロどんな感じなんだろう…曲の中心になるのはどっちの人格なんだろう…ああ色々と楽しみすぎる！！

好き........ｯｯ 社会人ミコトが血濡れてるの好き 早く見たいよォ！！！

ジョンって僕を守るためならなんだってするって言ってて意外と優しくてびっくりした ほんとに推せる

第1審の時から裏人格君は傲慢なのかな？と思っていたけど今回の救世主だって〜の所で裏人格君なりの励ましというか慰めだったんだなって思って…今回赦すになったら天秤がミコトくん側にかたよるからまた裏人格君救われないし……

From what it seems, the ‘real’ self is the one full of remorse, the ‘duplicate’ is the identity he had created to protect himself. The question of “So why are you crying,” is being asked by his double, who is only capable of seeing all else as ‘dolls’ (people not of any significance). Miko-Two (double) wishes to be acknowledged as something more than a ‘scoundrel’, the one who was able to preserve Mikoto from his insanity. He resents us for demonizing the both of us.

@hamgrams

7 ай бұрын

imo i feel like he’s inno 😭 because mikotwo (double) was made to protect mikoto and when they switch out mikoto isn’t aware of what’s going on ykwim? it’s kinda like “hey, i’ll handle this myself” kinda thing

@hamgrams

7 ай бұрын

+ and since mikoto is stressed to the point that he’ll break mikotwo is there instead to kinda like ease the stress?like the stress can be weighed down on mikotwo instead i really hope he’s found innocent bc he just is imo 😭 mikotwo is there to protect mikoto yk? 😭

@TenmasAgenda

7 ай бұрын

I think when he talks about being scroundel he talks about us, the viewers calling him a manipulator and liar that made Mikoto do that terrible crimes when in all matters he just wanted to protect Mikoto

@neidhardt8093

7 ай бұрын

I know you're not doing this on purpose, but I think you should make sure you're using correct language when describing a System. Saying 'real' and 'duplicate' is implying the Alter is a fake or just a copy, when that isn't the case. Also they aren't 'personalities' either, that's an outdated classification.

@CanIswearinmyhandle

7 ай бұрын

The voice drama makes it clear that John was a personality created from Mikotos stress that went out and whacked some random people to blow off steam. John's only goal is to protect Mikoto, who's a people-pleaser, from breaking. Also unlike the first trial Mikoto now knows about his second personality, since the other prisoners confirmed the story. John also tells Es that he'll disappear on his own if Mikoto is voted innocent, again since his only goal is to protect Mikoto

サムネが 一審では主格ミコト 二審では他の人格が出たミコト どっちもかっこいいなぁ。

『後悔を飲んで呑んで』っていうフレーズがなんか引っかかってたけど、不満も後悔も吐き出せず、飲み込み続けてこうなった。って揶揄なのかなって思い、泣くなどした。

the animation has improved so much... anyways, my thoughts/notes on double - in the beginning, mikoto goes down and the screen starts cracking. in neoplasm, john mentions how mikoto was gonna break from under the stress because he kept it all in. this is also meant to probably resemble johns' split? since he mentions he was just born. - he also starts getting calls and texts from someone called "chief", and since (i assume due to mikoto's personality, i don't think he'd just throw the phone away like that!) mikoto isn't fronting during this, john "throws" the phone away. he might've actually thrown it away, but he probably didn't since the train isn't actually where he killed! (u can see it in undercover) - the mannequins... hm, i think these are actual people, but they may just be mannequins due to either 1) de-reality. derealization is a state of mind where you feel disconnected from your surroundings, and people and objects seem unreal. 2) this can be interconnected with point one, john does not remember the mannequins/people he killed, and his memory is "fuzzy" (he says this in neoplasm i didnt make this up wjkdkdk) 3) john just.. doesn't care? - the doors to when john enters the train are green, but afterwards you can see the doors actually.. aren't. i don't think this is just a simple animation mistake, and it's meant to represent the possibility of a 3rd alter (mido, in this sense). i still believe in 3koto due to the fact this isn't yamanaka's first time writing a sys, and if he made john and mikoto the only alters, it would be very unrealistic. john split in mikotos 20s under stress, and DID forms in the childhood. - 0:38 white is mikoto, and 0:50 black is john. black spiritually symbolizes the unconscious and mystery, while white is a good healing color for the removal of pain and suffering.

Mikoto's CD drama is possibly the biggest lore dump CDs in this trial. In order to stop Mikoto from reaching his breaking point-- aka suicide due to his stress, John (Mikoto's Alter) temporarily take control of Mikoto's body in order to stop the poor man's thoughts from popping up. Although John's murder motive were still a bit foggy (simply being 'annoyed' of the bypassers), Mikoto's alter is definitely a form of the body's self defense mechanism; even John himself claimed he purposely took control of Mikoto to protect and prevent Mikoto's mentality from breaking due to the negativities overflowing in his head. Even John, his alter/disease, couldn't bare to see Mikoto suffer. I think Mikoto's 'murder' (and his verdict based off it) should be discussed in the future Trial 3. For now, by just simply keeping Mikoto from stressing out, his alter confirms to NO LONGER take control of Mikoto. If we can't get rid of the Alter, we can't point out Mikoto for his crimes yet.

@CanIswearinmyhandle

7 ай бұрын

That's not what he says in the drama. The bybassers didn't even annoy him, he just killed some people walking about. He also says he'll disappear of his own accord but only if Mikoto is voted innocent

@vibealong1191

7 ай бұрын

@@CanIswearinmyhandle “Annoyed” here is an adjective. To simplify, he claims he was feeling irritated(angry) as a reasoning of his killing, so he just killed whoever was nearby him.

@LanieMae

6 ай бұрын

Nah what John said about killing random people was definitely a lie. Mikoto’s the true killer and he’s trying to shift the blame

@maguirbo

5 ай бұрын

i think since his boss was the one calling him at the start it could be even worse. maybe Mikoto wanted to quit his job but knew he would be in a bad situation if he did (because of Japan workers's situation in general sadly) so he was about to breakdown as his boss call him. that's why John took control to prevent him from doing something that would endanger Mikoto's life that why Mikoto seems to forget a lot of stuff !! I think John is proposefully trying to make Mikoto forget anything that make him remember this feeling as much as possible to avoid stress because that's when Mikoto is trying to erase (literally) himself (at least this identity) of his own body.