haruka somehow simultaneously brings me both visceral fear and parental instincts

@everythingz888

Жыл бұрын

You described it perfectly lmao

@fon420

Жыл бұрын

REAL

@an_enigmaticdream

Жыл бұрын

Same

@dreams330

Жыл бұрын

LITERALLY

@aquisui

Жыл бұрын

This pretty much sums up the conundrum

彼はもう許す許さない以前に純粋にカウンセリングを受けて適切な医療機関で治療を受けて欲しいまである。

@user-mocchiri22

Жыл бұрын

その通りすぎ...😂

@helloex-6767

Жыл бұрын

ド正論

@tukihotaru2193

9 ай бұрын

これはあくまで考察考えなんですが第二審のハルカの歌詞聴いてたら親が精神病院やカウンセリングなど世間の目など気にしすぎていかせてもらえなかったから彼は見てもらえるために犯行を起こしたのではないのかな…

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

8 ай бұрын

@@tukihotaru2193確かに…構ってほしくて、自分のことを見てもらうためならなんだってやった…みたいな…

@user-kf3tg7ul4p

8 ай бұрын

それなすぎる

母親にビンタされても喜びが上回って笑顔になるハルカのシーン、言語化が難しいんだけどほんとに...すき…くるしい...

@user-wz1xq1kb8f

2 күн бұрын

マジで分かります〜〜歌詞の中で「痛みを数えて」とか言ってるし、個人的には痛みを喜びが上回るってより痛みも喜びだったと思ってました…

ハルカという名前が親から最初から決まってた名前だと公式情報が出て、更に女の子用だったというのを聞いて、私の少しの希望は打ち砕かれた…。辛すぎ。

@user-sabanbanbaban

4 ай бұрын

幼少期の親が優しかったのも声変わりがまだで女の子に近かったから…？

When he chews his nails and glances up in the beginning, it almost feels like he wants to MAKE SURE we're looking. Chills.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

5 ай бұрын

make you feel like you wondered into his bedroom when you visited

第二審まで見て考えたハルカの習性 ・自らに対しある程度の関心を向けてくれる人間に依存をし、望むことならなんでも行う ムウに対しての対応を見てもわかるがハルカが欲しいのは母性ではなく自分が注目されることや依存先。 ・その人間が自分より強い関心を向けている人や物に強く嫉妬し攻撃を行う 母親が自分よりペット達や三つ編みの少女(当たりと称する身内かもしれない)に対して愛情を注いでいたため、これらを殺して依存先の関心奪おうとした。 ・自分が依存先にもう関心を向けられなくなると確信した場合、依存先そのものを殺す 彼は人を殺した自覚があるが恐らく三つ編みの少女は殺せなかった。 根拠は弱肉共食のMVで血が流れていなかったことと数日前に配信された第二審ボイストレーラーの発言「僕なんかに…人生を無駄にされた」の部分からである。 つまりハルカが殺したのは「彼から見て彼の存在自体が負担になった」人物だということになる。 となると候補は弱肉共食の最後に首を絞めていた男の子になるが、彼に兄弟となる男子はいないと思う、それならばエスに対してもっと嫌悪感を感じていいからだ。 つまりあの子供は子供っぽく振舞う自分自身でありその切っ掛け、つまり母親である、もう愛してもらえないと感じ、それならばいっそという気持ちで母親を殺したのだろう。 彼が既に外の世界に未練が無いのはそのためだ、ミルグラムに引きこもっていれば自分に関心を向けてもらえる相手は複数人いるから。 これらのハルカの習性からムウは非常に危険な立場にいると言ってもよい、ハルカから見てムウは自分の承認欲求を満たしてくれる依存先になっている。 だがムウはアフターペインを見るに虐めの加害者だった経験がある、使えない弱者と感じた相手には冷酷な一面を持ち合わせている可能性を持つということだ。 その面が表出した場合、ハルカがどのような行動を取るか想像したくはない。

i LOVE the animation in this video not sure if anyones said this before but i especially love the use of symbols of taxidermy and amber (i think that’s what the orange water is) which both essentially preserve organisms in a “young” state (edited - the yummy looking orange water is actually likely the taxidermy fluid formaldehyde which is around the same color, but it gets the same message across in the end) the shot in which the room fills up with orange as haruka is lying on the floor as a child upon being hit by his mom is symbolic of him being stuck in his youth in his mind and WOW this video changed my life

@abagofswag

10 ай бұрын

damn and here i was thinking it was honey......

@Girl-hd6kk

10 ай бұрын

@@abagofswag Honestly you might not be wrong. The orange substance could be honey, referencing the procedure of creating a mellified man (basically a different kind of embalming process by soaking the corpse in honey)

@abagofswag

10 ай бұрын

@@Girl-hd6kk woah that sounds very interesting, might look into it more. thanks !!

@facelessbrutality3710

8 ай бұрын

IT HURTSSSS

@jchangberg4104

8 ай бұрын

Honestly I thought it was honey and is linked to Muu’s second trial song, as we learned that Haruka and Muu have a weird relationship right now. It’s probably a stretch, but I wonder if haruka will try and kill one of the other prisoners if they try and take muu’s attention like what happened with his mother

I don't think he needs innocent or guilty verdicts. He just needs help and support systems and positive affirmations.

@dumaass

Жыл бұрын

If that was a real person I'd think you were nuts.

@foilgod9913

Жыл бұрын

positive affirmations are what led to this song

@tartmagica

Жыл бұрын

milgram fan discovers the issues with punitive justice systems

@W0I0I

Жыл бұрын

I say lock him up and throw away the key he is to far gone to be saved if attention from his mom was all he wanted he won’t be able to get it anymore now that he killed her the trauma from being neglected as a child is to much for some to handle the only person that would be able to truly fix it would be the mother instead of talking it out with her his crazy ass decided to end her life he will slowly drive himself into madness seeking something he will never truly be able to have

@P0t4tO8

Жыл бұрын

​@@W0I0I I'm pretty sure he didn't kill his mom. If you look closely, the hair of the girl he killed doesn't match his mom's and instead the girl from the first trial. (I'm pretty sure) Please consider using punctuation as well.

es may forgive you for being a murderer, but no one is gonna forgive you for that outfit

@usouu

Жыл бұрын

😭😭😭

@mono_poisoner

Жыл бұрын

facts

@ANONY-TAN0422

Ай бұрын

Victorian boy on the street selling bread-esque

今回も日本語歌詞と英語歌詞に注目するべき内容であった。 まずやはりと言うべきかハルカは裕福な家庭の出身だ。 そして発達障害を患っており家から蔑ろにされてきた。 「痛みを数えて」 「Why dose it hurt so much?」 この訳の差は今回の楽曲の中でも非常に面白い部分だ ハルカの知覚と感情を上手く表している。 ネグレクトをする両親を振り向かせる方法が、癇癪を起して親の部屋で暴れ破壊行動をするしかなかった。 「次はあなたの当たりになれるかな」 「Can I be your favorite this time?」 この違いもとても大きい。 恐らく日本語歌詞が建前或いはハルカの表現限界で英語歌詞が本心或いは本当に言いたい事だとする。 ハルカは次ではなく正にいま愛されたいと願っている。 「死にたくないよ 死にたくない」 「Don't wipe me out, don't wipe me out」 ハルカにとって両親から存在がないものとされることは死と同等だった。 「夢食(むく)われないように生きたほうが」 「I just want to be your good boy」 あなたの良い子になりたいだけ 「うばうことであたえられるほうが」 「I will keep on killing to be a good boy」 良い子になる為に殺し続ける この部分に至ってはもはや凄まじい。 日本語内でもダブルミーニングがある上に訳はぶっ飛んでいる。 乖離する心と体が垣間見える。 褒めてもらおうと思った母親から頬を叩かれても笑っているのは絶望の余り笑ってしまったのではない。 叩かれたこと以上に無視され存在をないものとされたわけではないことを心の底から喜んでいるのだ。 「次はあなたの当たりがいいな」 「I want to be your favorite next」 1番までは英訳で今へ求めていたのにラストでは英訳でも次に次を見ている。 今生を諦めたのかそれともあなたを両親からエス(ユーザ)へ変えたという可能性。 また母親の殺害も行っていると新たに分かった。 第一審に引き続きハルカは激しい曲調だ。 きっと内側に押し込め続けさせられ抑制してきた部分が煮え滾っていることから来ていると思われる。 個人的にはとても好みの激しさなのでミルグラムのライブをつい期待してしまう。 第一審"弱肉共食"と同じく水中へ沈んでいく表現が共通して存在する。 ミルグラムの歌は心象風景の様なもので夢ではないが水中へ沈んでいく夢、特に暗い水中へ沈んでいくものは社会との関わり合いが上手く行っていないことや心の奥底にある不安を象徴している。 沈まない様に藻掻くことで幼稚な思考を捨てようとすることを示すがハルカは為すがまま沈んでいる。 また"弱肉共食"冒頭のペンダントは母親の所持品だった。 いつも比較される障害のない優秀な弟ばかり構う親、どうしても振り向かせたくて起こせる行動は暴力的行動だけだった。 壊して殺したもの達で作ったオブジェクトの上でまた「くるってる」と褒めてもらおうとする。 飼っている犬を殺害し、弟を殺害し、そして母親を殺害する。

@user-jt1on8yd2q

Жыл бұрын

曲が配信されて僅か1時間で出来る考察とは思えない程の読み込み具合で感服致しました…英語の歌詞と日本語の歌詞の比較、そこから読み取れる考察お疲れ様です！ 私としても新しい発見や納得出来る部分が多く、とても興味深く拝見させて頂きました！！勝手ながらありがとうございます！ ライブして欲しいのもめちゃ分かります(ﾟｰﾟ)(｡_｡)ｳﾝｳﾝ

@user-wq6uz5ou4c

Жыл бұрын

あなたが神でしたか……… 考察おつかれさまです

@i.t3822

Жыл бұрын

ただ一言、 ありがとうございます！！！！！！！

弱肉共食も全知全悩も正しい四字熟語から1文字変えてたり、一審の"ぎせいをしていた"とか二審の"あなたの当たりになれるかな"とか独特な言い回ししてるのすき 歌詞にひらがな多いのもハルカくんぽいなって思った

@Cshishtov

11 күн бұрын

Бл знать бы японский, переводчик тонкостей далеко не передает XD

ハルカが発達障害だと仮定してのことだけど、ストレスが溜まって物に当たるしかなくて、周りからの協力も理解もなくてそれでも愛されたくて気を引こうとして、って全部症状だし自分じゃどうにも出来ないことが赦されないのは発達障害の当事者として苦しいし、個人的には赦してあげたい もっとはやく病院に行ってまともに治療が受けられたら未来は違ったんだろうなぁと思うと心が痛い

@user-nl7qb4jo6j

Жыл бұрын

発達障害らしく靴下が左右違ったりもしてますね

@helloex-6767

Жыл бұрын

治療…確かにそれをやっていたら今頃ハルカくんは普通に楽しく堂々と最高な人生の生き方をしていただろうね そう思うとやっぱりハルカくんが毎度報われないのが可哀想よな…

@Taliashort

Жыл бұрын

私は発達障害の自閉症です。 私は彼を気​​の毒に思いますが、彼は決して許しません。

@user-hc2lw4xv8d

Жыл бұрын

ハルカに必要なのは裁きでもましてや罰でもなく悪い事を悪いと諭してくれる大人とカウンセリングなんだよなぁ。 ただ殺人の結果だけを見て「お前は赦す」「お前は赦されない」と宣告するだけのミルグラムは正直嫌いだ。 行く末を見守りはするが絶対に投票したり関わろうとは思わないし思えない、あまりにも不公平が過ぎるしただの私刑に過ぎないじゃないか

@user-jz8lf1ng3v

Жыл бұрын

@@user-hc2lw4xv8d 私刑に過ぎないとか結果だけを見るとか、確かに嫌ではありますがあまりにも現代だなぁとも思います 結局人に迷惑をかけている、自分に迷惑をかけられて嫌だ、とかそういう結果しか世間は見てくれませんしそうやって発達障害者は排他されて行きますからね

英語字幕でmy dreaMUとムウが大文字になってるところヤバすぎる 明らかにハルカの中にムウが入り込んでることを表されてる

@user-ni9gb1zt4f

Жыл бұрын

お互い共依存しそうなタイプなので今後が心配すぎる

@user-km9sb8fg5p

Жыл бұрын

すっご、、、気づきの天才

@rerve_draw

Жыл бұрын

大きく"羽"ばたく｢遥｣かな"夢" って、日本語の歌詞にもお互いの名前(｢夢羽｣｢遥｣)しっかり入ってるんですよね…

@nattama78

Жыл бұрын

@@rerve_draw しかもムウにハルカが挟まれてますねぇ…

It's kind of hard to defend Haruka after this, but god, I feel nothing but the utmost sympathy for him. Something about his backstory and the way his songs are composed just hits in the heart to me. That sequence with "Am I still innocent?" leading up to his mother finding what he'd done, only with him to be happy for any kind of attention... absolute chills.

@dARKaZURE

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, like, poor Haruka has been neglected by his mom after some time of his life, leading to some kind of negligence/abandonment trauma, and he seems to have slow ability to learn and whatnot when he grew up, too. It's just heartbreaking. 😭😭😭

@farhanatashiga3721

Жыл бұрын

Regardless of what each of us think, in this second trial it can no longer be the only variable in determining a verdict, there is plenty of dilemmas to consider with both options so this will not be easy.

@spiritwarhol707

Жыл бұрын

Of course, I'm not going to vote him forgiven just because I like him. Those were just my initial impression of the video. :>

@pedrovitor5324

Жыл бұрын

@@dARKaZURE I don't think Haruka was neglected by his mother. I think his dad neglected him, but his mother still cares about him. The problem is that He started to grow up, but is in denial to grow. Since he wants to stay a child forever, his mother grown sick of his peter pan syndrome and started to show him "how she is supposed to be like". That's why he always says she compares him, it's because she compares Haruka to other people in his age. But Haruka gets extremely unstable when someone points out his wrong doing (Like we see in the pv when he kills his fishes) because he thinks he's a child (Probably he also has so much animals because her mother wanfed him to create responsability by caring about one. That's why he kills so many animals, because he denies to have responsability (It also can be bc of a trauma, maybe his first dog was hit by a car?)). Stressed by not knowing how to deal with Haruka anymore, his mother starts to ignore him. That's where the theory divides into two paths: - Haruka had a sister and he killed her because "his mother doesn't love him anymore" (His sister would be the little girl that is shown in both pvs); - Haruka had a child friend (Or he thought he had, it's highly implied in the first PV he never gets in touch with the girl until he kills her). He was friend with a little girl and then he killed her because she didn't gave him the attention he seeks. I don't know what to think about this pv, but the fans objective should be voting for him to grow up. I still have to analyse this PV to get a solid opinion tho, but ut's interesting to see that he is kinda of a spoiled brat and we just made him more spoiled by voting him inocent. Before it he believed he did something wrong, now he is singing "I did nothing wrong" like if he was denying his fault.

@wy7177

Жыл бұрын

@@pedrovitor5324 Some things to point out about your theory, Haruka says in his interrogation that his family only consists of his parents and himself, so the girl must have some sort of non-family relation with him. Another thing is that he distinctly says that he has never owned any pets which can be taken in to many different speculations. Haruka seems to have gotten a lot of attention and affection as a child which contrasts his state currently as being very submissive and in need of attention. He also often goes on about how if he could "restart" or "why he is like this" which infers that something happened out of his control between his childhood and now. The only inconsistency is the girl whom he "murdered". Though the relationship is unclear between them they seemed to used to get along with each other. Another thing to point out is that he struggles to deal with children as well, meaning that something must've happened with their relationship when they were young given what information is provided. I think a theory that fits in the best is that the girl is Haruka's sister, and after trying to seek attention from his mother, he must've come to the conclusion that his problems come from her, however, we would have to assume that Haruka doesn't think of the girl as his sister. I kinda dislike people who glaze over the surface of this project calling Haruka and Muu "attention seeking freaks" and "spoiled brats" given what they experienced because a lot of the things all of the prisoners have done are very grey and murky. For me, I think I'm going to have to abstain, because I don't approve of his constant desire for attention which drove the people he loved away from him and his methods of getting attention especially from the results for the first trial, but I don't want to deny his belief of wanting to live a life to be loved and given affection, something that he yearns for when he is neglected from his father and mother.

【分かった事】MV中心 ・ハルカ君のつけていたネックレスはお母さんの部屋から盗んだもの ・物の破壊や動物を殺す事で気を引こうとしている (動物を殺しているのはお母さんに標本作りをほめてもらったことがあった？) ・ハルカ君は精神患者として精神病院に入院している。 (MVの後半に出てきた部屋の作りや見た目が精神病院の患者の部屋にとても似ていたから、その他に交番の取り調べ室にも見える) ・ハルカは暴力や暴言も愛情としてカウントしている。 (物の破壊や動物を殺すことで暴力や暴言による愛情を得ようとしている可能性もある) ・MVの所々に出てくる水は−の感情を表していて、オレンジ色の液体は前向きな感情を表している。

@user-ex8ti9ii3c

Жыл бұрын

神考察ありがとう

Guys. The point of milgram is to see if you forgive them or not, they’re all morally grey characters. By law they’re all guilty, milgram doesn’t follow traditional laws and instead wants to see if we forgive them or not.

@ryujisaihara8286

Жыл бұрын

They're all forgivable except for the psychopathic asshole known as Yuno.

@mafunnie9870

Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@LaplacesShaytan

4 ай бұрын

Not all of them are guilty by law. Shidou only did organ transplants from dead patients, Yuuno got abortions and Mahiru and Fuuta... Idk about Japan but that Yoongi girls dad didn't go to jail despite being way more direct in his ways

「ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ」って、まさかハルカくんに聞かれると思ってなかった………我々に言っているのか、はたまた違う人間に言ったのか…………

@huwarari9926

Жыл бұрын

こう言われるとホントは赦してほしくなかったに聞えちゃう

発達障害を持っている人特有の動きなどをしっかりと表現出来てるしハルカくんの表情の変化が細かくて曲も凄くてもうなんかやばい

@isthiscereallife

5 ай бұрын

こんにちは。文法が良くない場合は申し訳ありませんが、Google 翻訳を使用して回答しています。 Googleが私にうっかり失礼な発言をさせないことを祈ります。 私もGoogle翻訳を使ってあなたの言っていることを理解しました。 私は発達障害者です。春香の発達障害にも気づきました。許されざる判決が正しい決断だったのかどうかは分からない。でも、はるかが明らかに発達障害であることに他の人が気づいているのを見るのはとてもうれしいことです。 日本ではどうなのか分かりませんが、私の国では私たち発達障害者は無視される傾向があります。 「普通」の人と同じ行動をとらないと、いくつになっても「他人」、あるいはアダルトチルドレンとして扱われます。 I will put it in English below, in case that makes translation easier: I'm a developmentally disabled person. I noticed Haruka's developmental disability too. I don't know if the unforgiven verdict was the right decision. But also, it's very nice to see other people noticing that Haruka is obviously developmentally disabled. I don't know how it is in Japan, but people tend to ignore us developmentally disabled people in my country. If we don't act the same as "normal" people, we are treated as "others" or as adult children, no matter how old we are.

@humble_reader

3 ай бұрын

発達障害のある人特有の動きとはどういう意味ですか？ （私は日本語ではありません、私は書くために翻訳者を使用しています、どこかに間違いがある場合は申し訳ありません）

@user-lk8pr5hu3e

3 ай бұрын

@@humble_reader翻訳を使った返信ありがとうございます!! 見た目に反して幼い行動が多かったり、多動気味になっているところを私はそうだなと感じました。

第二審トレーラーでのムウの「何でも言うこと聞いてくれるし」はハルカのことなんだろうなあ、ハルカはハルカでムウに利用されること喜んでるし、愛に飢えてたハルカは利用って形でも必要としてもらえるのが嬉しいのか、、

Guys, before we judge anyone I think this time we shouldn't always try to vote them guilty to "make them understand" that they were wrong That's what people did with Amane and it totally destroyed her. That's what they did with Futa, but if you look closely, Futa already knew he screwed up so making him guilty was only useless (Especially to forgive Kotoko behind who did something similar but worse thinking she was right, look at the result) Mahiru too, she clearly didn't deserve to be condemned like that, but since "she wasn't sure if what she did was wrong or not" people wanted to respond to her (And yet her boyfriend probably killed himself so even if it's partly because of her toxic behaviour, she might not have killed directly, and that boy could put a stop to it and take care of himself) We were mostly too focused on their behaviour and words to pay attention to what they were actually feeling and thinking And sometimes even their actions themselves The voting option is not meant to communicate with them Milgram doesn't care about the details of why they were voted guilty/innocent It's better to focus on how they will interpret it themselves, rather than trying to communicate anything in general Read between the lines, just because they say something doesn't mean they actually mean it Let's be careful this time, please

@spettrogatto

Жыл бұрын

THIS!!! The whole system is based on judging anyway, not communicating or re-educating. Voting him guilty will just break him further. Because he isn't guilty for being abused or being born the way he already despises.

@nocturne_interlude

Жыл бұрын

Yes, exactly I understand what people wanted to do and they had no bad intentions But things just don't work like that We were also extremely naive (I include myself, in retrospect I think I should have forgiven Mikoto and not Kotoko) Futa was aware of his mistake, even if he was hiding it by being aggressive in front of us He was just... "nervous"? He's the impulsive type, and it's hard to hear the reproaches of others when you're so angry at yourself and you know you're already in the wrong It was just a defence mechanism (with perhaps a little misplaced ego, I admit) Mikoto was threatening us to forgive him and insisting he did nothing wrong, which is why he was found guilty But some of the lyrics in his song also show that he was suffering and that his case was not so simple Kotoko seemed less sure of herself at the beginning and seemed to have a more serious reason than Futa, but she gradually fell morally convinced that she was in the right, and nobody noticed or thought of stopping her (There may be others, but these are the three most visible to me) Haruka here may seem to say he didn't do anything wrong, but looking closer he's still aware that what he's doing is not right (Even if the English translation hides it a bit) I hope this time people will see it and be more forgiving (or not if they don't care, but that would be a bit sad) This is what most people do every day with everyone else, reacting to the behaviour and words of others without seeking/succeeding in understanding the depth of their thoughts and feelings And we have proof before our eyes that this is a huge mistake A common and understandable mistake, but still a mistake I hope they don't make it for Haruka, or anyone else in this second round (sry I'm writing a lot)

@pissington87

Жыл бұрын

based comment

@eeva4700

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this, this is what I think as well

@4wingedowl

Жыл бұрын

my fear is that by voting him innocent, he will be able to move around on his own. Lets say Mu gets voted guilty this time. What would he do? My fear is that he may lash out at her. I cant help feeling like voting him innocent again might cause him to go off the deep end.

Some facts we got about Haruka until now from his Interrogation/Q&A/talks with other prisoners, before 2nd MV: - he claims to be 17 but notes that he doesn't pay attention to his age. That might be the case but some suggest he lowers his age on purpose to be treated as a child for longer - his family consists of him and his parents; he thinks that he disappointed his father and scribbled over "my mother" writing when asked who would he like to see the most. Nonetheless, he loves both of his parents. - his most vivid memory is "fireworks" which also surround him in his 1st MV. - In First Trial, he claimed that he doesn't have any right to hate anybody. He also is most scared of someone betraying him. He doesn't like children and animals. - when asked about his "type" he answered "someone who would give me attention"; right now he fulfills this wish by being in a co-dependent toxic (friendship?) relationship with Mu, who also needs attention of others. It's worth noting that initially, Haruka's favorite prisoners were Yuno and Mahiru because of them being nice, but he also mentioned Mu talking to him more often even before their verdicts. - Forgiving him made him more social but also unlocked his desire to be dominated and developed his submissive tendencies which went as far as giggling and smiling when Es slapped him in the face. - he seems to agree to anything anyone suggest him "is right". In First Trial he was constantly blaming himself and saying he was in wrong but after Es forgave him his second song teaser included lines like "I wasn't wrong"

@zroshroud1275

Жыл бұрын

The 'type' answer is interesting. They were the possible people Haruka could latch on like what he did with Mu now. To make the long story short, we made him latch to Mu. When we voted Yuno innocent, her ideals are reaffirmed thus resulting to her socially withdrawing herself. With that social withdrawal, she limited her social interaction and dropping that 'nice' facade she had. Him latching on Mahiru is a bullet WE dodged. If he developed such complex towards her, it'll be a disaster. But not for her, perhaps for us? It is implied that he would harm whoever or whatever that takes his beloved's attention. It is widely known that Mahiru is oddly fond of Es (us), even now. Plus the girl is too affectionate, thus raising more flags for Haruka to be jealous. Thus reverting him back to his homicidal state. But since Mahiru was voted guilty and was preoccupied with her business with Kotoko... This didn't happen. Thus Mu came in, the third option. Their needs and wants aligned so much, it also was toxic to begin with. This is just a speculation.

@Lulu_0809

Жыл бұрын

@@zroshroud1275 Another person he could visit been latched to (tho less likely) is Fuuta. In the VD he mentions that Fuuta is a little scary but gives him attention so it’s fine. Maybe if Mahiru and Mu was voted guilty while Yuno and Fuuta innocent, they would’ve ended up being friends. Idk what would happen in the relationship, but it probably wouldn’t be good since Haruka would be dependent on him and Fuuta definitely is a more harsh which wouldn’t end well after a while imo. Like if Haruka misinterprets Fuuta’s harshness as him not liking Haruka then it might end up bad.

@kaedesakura9274

Жыл бұрын

Mentally he is 12 tops. His body's age doesn't matter for guilt

@flutterin4595

Жыл бұрын

also in the last seconds he does a literal eye contact with us "the viewer". Such cute attention seeker XD

@rybdo

Жыл бұрын

If he doesn't like children and animals, why exactly was he surrounded by them in so many of the frames in this video?

i first came to milgram with the intentions to analyse and partake in the decisions of guilty or not, but i've been swayed from the swishy graphics and amazingly scripted characters that my brain is smosh and cant think. I want to give Haruka a hug. Idk if he's innocent or guilty, i just want to hug him.

@Pandachu123

Жыл бұрын

Honestly? Same. I wouldn't even know where to begin with psychoanalyzing these characters and whether they're guilty or not. It's... actually kind of scary to think about after the last trial.

@xYellowxRosesx

Жыл бұрын

OML SAME

@chiiawa

Жыл бұрын

It's not innocent vs guilty! It's whether you personally forgive them. If you forgive him and sympathize, you're free to vote as such.

@mitchellalexander9162

Жыл бұрын

@@Pandachu123 Eh. Probably Best to do that and make character studies when this is all said and done.

@lynix2886

Жыл бұрын

im the complete opposite lol. i fist came because i saw this video on tiktok and now im obsessed with the lore and theories

(This is cross-posted from my Tumblr.) I always thought it was weird how Haruka’s mother kinda has two faces in that doodle in the first MV, and the dog is kind of an amalgamation of at least two dogs. (There’s two ears pointed up, but also a floppy ear in front.) And now his shirt here is a combination of at least two shirts… The dog I believe is an amalgamation of the two taxidermy dogs we see here. Anyway, let me talk about all the water. There’s been theories that the murder/death has been by drowning, but with this MV I don’t think that was the case, with all the fish tanks. A misconception with fish is tank size, and that having a small tank without requirements like a filter and heater. Lots of people assume fish are easy to take care of, but they’re not. This room with no furnishings aside from a chair, along with a barred window that’s high up, is kinda like a fish tank…especially when we see it through the water. Haruka was given the bare minimum amount of support during his childhood. There’s also the cluttered room he walks through, which is like a fish tank that’s not properly cleaned. In the first MV, there’s all the scribbles and missing faces, which has been theorized to be because he doesn’t remember the murder. There’s the common saying that fish have memories that only last 30 seconds, so for the scribbled scenes it’s like he’s looking out from within a fish bowl, with everything distorted. Some people look at fish as decoration, which fits in with all the taxidermy. Something else to take into consideration is that fish can be a pet people buy spontaneously, and sometimes you’ll hear about couples having a kid to “save their marriage.” So maybe Haruka’s parents had him for that reason, but it didn’t work…since wasn’t there an interview question where he said his dad left? Haruka’s role is like a decorative fish, there to keep up appearances that his parents’ marriage was fine when it wasn’t. And like the dog from the first MV that’s combined from the two taxidermy dogs in this MV, Haruka’s shirt is patched together from at least two outfits, which adds to the idea that his role is to be a decoration like the taxidermy. I almost feel like he didn’t kill the taxidermy animals, and instead just sabotaged the display, like maybe the forest scene was him imagining the two dogs being alive as one. Also, if you look at when he’s in the woods, there are floorboards. Plus, while his hands are rainbow bloody as a kid, and then the rock is, too…there’s nothing on his hands when he’s aged up. As for the little girl, I’m torn between her being a childhood friend or his sister. (At one point I thought she could be his mother, since all kids go through a point where we think adults are still kids, right?) Starting to lean towards her being his little sister, maybe his parents tried to have another kid before his father left, or his mother remarried and it’s his step-sister. Going with the fish analogy, I know for a fact that when I was a kid, my mom and I didn’t know proper fish care, but after some negative experiences, we’ve learned better. So maybe Haruka thought he was being replaced, or they kept comparing him to her since she didn’t have the same issues he does.

@idkanything2660

Жыл бұрын

I think that the girl may be a childhood sweetheart of Haruka, or a neighbour. After watching the first MV, I noticed that there was many drawings of Haruka with the girl in the frames having fun with each other, hanging out, afraid of their own tricks, laughing together... it does not seem that it is a sister, as he said, he is an only child, but a neighbour. I also need to point out that in the last frame of this PV, she is wearing the same clothes from when she was younger while Haruka strangles her, which may be of his own imagination (i.e she's wearing other clothes but she is growing and moving forward while he is not). The animals in the first MV also seems to be a repressed/modified memory from Haruka. He did not kill them but they are a symbolism to the taxidermy and seeking for a place beside the one he loves the most (his mother). The MV also shows that his mother gave him attention in public but not at home even when he was younger.

@teadrop_

Жыл бұрын

ty for sharing! do you mind dropping a link to ur tumblr? would like to read up on any other analysis you had written ;v;

@monolinny1817

Жыл бұрын

I really like your theory! Back in the interrogation, Haruka said he didn't have any siblings. But some people pointed out that he might not count dead sibling as one, and maybe step sister also works too.

@_sabumochi

Жыл бұрын

Love this theory.

@Yapuwfou

Жыл бұрын

Love your insight into the fish metaphor!!!!!!

この曲すごい好き、こんなに激しい曲調なのにハルカ自身も発達障害であることを嘆いている悲しさが伝わってくる リズムも歌い方も、基礎は取りながら魂を叫んでるって感じがしてすごく好き

自分が母親にとってはずれだってことも、自分の行いが本来許されないってことも知ってる でも振り向いてもらうにはこれしかないから問題行動を重ね続ける 一審で思ってた以上にハルカは賢くて、悩んでて、ゆえに『全知全悩』……

@user-ni9gb1zt4f

Жыл бұрын

弱肉共食でも「僕が悪い」って理解はしてるけど、ではどうしたら愛してもらえるのかソレが分からないから僕か頭悪いからで全部堂々巡りしてる感じなの助けて欲しい

@tukihotaru2193

Жыл бұрын

全知全能を皮肉って『全知全悩』のなのかな？

i know that shun horie will leave no crumbs his voice is literally stunning

@dandyrion5779

Жыл бұрын

I still can't separate him from rental girlfriend tho 😭

@suredoeslikeexisting

Жыл бұрын

@@dandyrion5779 WHAT,,,,,,,

dreaMUの事もあって額縁とかが溶けてるシーンとか最後満たされていく時の色が黄色っぽいのもムウの影響ある…？と考えてしまう(それこそ部屋が満ちる、水に侵食されていく＝依存関係で心が満ちている、影響を受けている)

@gamingmysticist6641

Жыл бұрын

Daaaamn he might kill her or smth....might

0:13 サムネハルカ 0:47 暴れハルカ 0:50 デキソコナイハルカ 0:55 カメラ目線制服ハルカ 1:05 まんまる頭抱えハルカ 1:19 昆虫・動物展覧会 1:30 溶ける 1:40 ハルカに向かう蝶々の行方 1:48 夢食われない(ムウ色(?)が飛び散ってる) 1:50 息切れハルカ 2:02 放心ハルカ 2:03 満面の笑み小さなハルカ 2:13 大きく"羽"ばたく"遥"かな"夢" I promise to make my dre"MU" come true 2:25 母親(?)登場 2:30 母親(?)の眼球から狂気的なハルカ 2:35 ハルカの足元、そして母親(?)の元へ 2:42 ビンタ 2:58 ビンタを喜び涙目狂気ハルカ 3:05 ゆらゆらハルカ 3:09 次はあなたの当たりがいいな 3:14 オチは首絞め　母親(?)かと思ったけど1審の三つ編みの子？

@True_Beads

9 күн бұрын

すごい

Just my two cents: I think Haruka does the same thing just like Mikoto did in the last MV. He breaks the fourth wall like a champ. "Can I be your favourite this time?" (1:38)/"I want to be your favourite next" (3:13) is him talking to us, knowing he's actually one of the fan-favourites. Maybe this is just me, but I honestly perceived Haruka as one of the most favourite prisoners due to his character traits. "If with one click, and I can reset everything" (3:09) is incredibly smart IMHO. This might be referring to us voting him "forgivable/innocent", allowing him to have a blank slate again. Remember how he was sorry for his actions the last time around? Now that we have forgiven him, we have given him the chance to start anew. And, if the Mu-theories are true, his restart might have been a rocky one due to her influence. "Am I still innocent" (2:20) (Or as another translation has stated: "Do you still think I can be forgiven?") Another break with the fourth wall. It kinda has the vibe of "Now that you have seen all of me, do you still regard me as innocent?" could also be him talking to his mother, though. And, lastly, "I promise to make my dreaMU come true" (2:16) -- a nice wordplay referring to Mu, as we all know. By the way, the Mu itself apparently means "dream" in Japanese. I think Mu really takes his submission and mommy issues to another level. And we are, too. He wants to be loved by his mother, by Mu, by us, no matter what it takes. Furthermore, to add to the 'yellow goo' theories: I think it really is formaldehyde. Not because his mother might be a taxidermist, but because it actually is capable of framing a dead thing like it's still alive, freezing time. I think it refers to his relationship with his mother which might have been nice and all (I mean, he asks to hug her like back in the good ol' days quite a lot) until *something* happened. Meaning, the relationship is dead and gone, but he makes it look like it's still alive in an artificial way. It also plays into this "I want to freeze time when everything was alright"-thing. Due to him mentioning that his mom is quite generous, I can see that his dad left out of several reasons (maybe the neurodivergent part is true and he's an ass who just left because he's an ableist) and she went on dates with several lovers, maybe giving them presents. She neglected her son while doing so. As he is acting up, she starts to hurt him (maybe even out of sheer helplessness, still not forgivable). And he's fine with it, as it means getting attention by his dear mother. I can see Haruka being terrified of losing her too, wanting to please her in any way possible. There's also the option that one of the guys that she's been seeing has a daughter and she turns into the favourite child, rendering him even more unnoticed devastated (see the comparison part 0:32). Maybe his mother even gave her the jewellery shown in the video (see the generous-discussion). He might've killed her due to that. Also, regarding the animal/dog thing in general, I can see the dog being a metaphor for loyalty/being good. This is also why he refers to himself as "a good boy". Hope I could add something to the discussion! Might not make sense, might also be poorly written, as my English SUUUUUCKS butts. 8) And autocorrect might have fucked a thing up or two.

@heymayday8761

Жыл бұрын

ooh, it was really interesting to read! thank you for writing your thoughts! (oh and your english is actually pretty good so don't worry about that) /gen

@mabelpines4805

Жыл бұрын

@@heymayday8761 Thanks!

@cia1998

Жыл бұрын

Perfectly understandable! I think this is a very well done and written speculation!

@mabelpines4805

Жыл бұрын

@@cia1998 Thank you so much! (:

@lenaalt2387

Жыл бұрын

"good boy" in japanese is just いい子 ("good kid"), so i don't think it has anything to do with what English people say to their dogs

ハルカくんのお母さんとムウちゃんは同じ髪色でハルカくんはムウちゃんにお母さんを求めてる説推したい

@sino_sk

Жыл бұрын

まってそれ好き。天才か… (追記) それだとマヒルさんも入りそうだけどムウちゃん結構押しが強そうだからハルカくんだと直ぐに依存しちゃいそうだよね…

@sasabunekunn_2

Жыл бұрын

天才

@user-vq2fh7bq5w

Жыл бұрын

@@sino_sk 目の色も込みで考えたらムウちゃん一択になる...！

しばらくミルグラム離れてて戻ってきたら当時推してたハルカはギルティになってて咽び泣いたものです。 もう彼は有罪以前にカウンセリング受けさせて適切な施設に入れてどうにかしてあげてくれ…こりゃ判断しにくいの納得だわ。可哀想すぎるんだ…。

他の人達は1審と2審でだいぶ曲調変わってるのに、ハルカ君はあまり曲調変わらなくて、もう、ただただ自分を見て欲しいって一心だったんだろうな〜って。 とりあえずカウンセリング受けて欲しい。

This MV literally gave me chills! The artwork and animation had a major improvement from the first trial and Haruka's vocals were absolutely stunning! Great job Milgram, we as the fanbase will keep on showing our support for the MV's to come

@senritsujumpsuit6021

Жыл бұрын

The shot of him in the chair while everything melted behind him then him swapping from teen to child atop the same chair then seeing him in the eye is so fuked up

@azure965

Жыл бұрын

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 it was so cool tho, it really shows that he finally snapped, that was a great scene

@senritsujumpsuit6021

Жыл бұрын

@@azure965 the part at the end really showcases he has gotten some sort of closer putting him at ease but not saving him persay

From my first few watches, I think that this chronicles Haruka's descent into murder. Like we saw in the first MV, it starts off smaller with animals. In this one, rather than starting with the dog, it seems like it starts with the fish in the tank. He breaks the tank in a moment of frustration/desperation, and because their water/habitat is gone, the fish dry out and die. We then see it expand into more animals: butterflies, cats, dogs. Far more than we saw in the first video. The amber colored liquid seems to represent blood this time, and it grows more and more the more he kills. He stands atop his mountain of blood and bodies, along with some other objects, like a tree? I'm not entirely sure why those are there--maybe they're related to murder weapons? It seems the snap point where he kills another person is when his mom rejects him. She catches him in the act, maybe? She witnesses something about all the blood he's spilled, and she rejects him completely. He seems to be freaking out--the way he's moving, I think it's pretty safe to say that he's a little out of his mind--and then we see the moment where he strangles someone. From the hair/face shape, though, I don't think it's the mom. As best as I can tell, it's the little girl from the first video, the one we've been calling a friend. Why her, though...? I think Haruka is doing all of this as some sort of attention thing for sure. "I will keep on killing to be a good boy" and all. However, I'm not sure if the idea is that killing someone will make him more lovable somehow ("I will definitely make you love me again") or if it's more of what I'm currently leaning towards: that when all of this death happens around him, he's naturally upset ("why am I crying again") and his mother comforts him ("there there, my good boy!"), thus giving him attention. Either way, something's clearly very messed up in his head, and even though he's aware of it ("why was I born like this") he's still unwilling or unable to stop ("I can't stop, I can't stop"). For the verdict... I feel like it has to be guilty based on the events, but I feel like if we turn on him, he might lash out? If he really does kill to try to regain favor, and we gave him a favorable result and then turn on him... does that give him reason to start killing within Milgram to try to regain OUR favor? EDIT: after more review, I’m leaning innocent. I forgot at first that, in addition to characters potentially endangering others, they could endanger themselves. I’m worried enough about what Haruka’s mental state would become if we voted him guilty that I think innocent is the right way to go. EDIT 2: Just realized I never updated the youtube comment! After Haruka's audio drama, I'm all aboard the guilty train, and thankfully it's rolling that way! For anyone who didn't see, among other things, in Haruka's audio drama he directly says "I wasn't wrong to kill someone" or something like that and he says if we don't vote Mu innocent he'll commit suicide as a threat against us! Very cute. Not thrilled about that, but it definitely confirms he needs guilty this trial, to restrain him and to tell him that killing someone IS wrong. I'd previously interpreted the "I wasn't wrong" to be "I wasn't wrong [as a person]" and not "I wasn't wrong [to kill someone]", but uhh... guess not.

@ew358

Жыл бұрын

Orange is such a specific colour, which makes me think of preservation fluid used for animals/Haruka thinking of murder as preservation and being reaffirmed=preserving his ideology.

@RiaMilktea

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this theory is really good

@fishkarybooo

Жыл бұрын

he still needs to get the guilty verdict : if he's found guilty his movements will be restrained thus he wont be able to kill anyone if he's found innocent he wont do anything BUT if later Mu is found guilty then he's very likely to kill again, and this time his movements won't be restrained...

@axkusuich.3173

Жыл бұрын

based from the first song, it looks more like he's killing to somehow get attention through pity. Perhaps there was an event that made his mother care for him when an injury or death happened close to him, which prompted Haruka to look back and use this event as a way to get attention while appearing as a weak and fragile child with tons of misfortune around him. But perhaps due to all the killing of animals he's been doing, his inner morals mentally assault him for his deeds; "Why does it hurt so much". This would probably cause a downward spiral of desire, hurt, confusion, then back to desire as his childlike mentality would not give him answers for his confusion. (Don't take this after-theory for granted, I'm still wrapping my head around this all and maybe I instead got confused instead of Haruka lol)

@justhopeless9364

Жыл бұрын

I like your theory and agree. I think it's really difficult to decide between innocent/forgivable and guilty/unforgivable because now you have to evaluate not only the act but also the dynamic between the prisoners. It's such a hard choice...

ハルカの名前が女の子用だったってことはお腹の中で男の子って分かったときから既に両親から「期待外れ」ってこと？……いや辛すぎない？

@helloex-6767

Жыл бұрын

しかも発達障がいでだから更に興味すらなくなって相手にするのも嫌でネグレクトを受けていたとしたら泣くお(´；ω；｀)

※ボイスドラマドラマネタバレあり ボイスドラマで「僕は僕よりより小さいものなら殺せるんだぞ」って発言あったね、、これも生まれつき皆んなができることができないハルカが、唯一お母さんに反応(MVでのビンタとか)をもらえたことっていう成功体験から出た発言なんだろうな。人と違う、大好きな母親には諦められて見向きもしてもらえなかったっていうのは苦しいし辛かっただろうなぁ、、そのせいで興味を持ってもらうには物を盗んだり生き物を傷つけるしか無かったってのがね、、「僕は僕を諦めたままでいればよかったの」って発言とか人に肯定してもらえたのが初めてっていうのもハルカの今までの生い立ちを考えて辛くなった、許す許さないは別として家庭環境が違えば犯罪にも手を染めず真っ当に生活できたんだろうなと思う

2:15 当たりからの「遥かな夢をぼく、かなえるからね」ってところ。小学生の頃とかに書かされる【名前の由来】を幼少のハルカは覚えてて、名前の由来通りになる自分を母親に見てほしかったとかだったらしんどいな‥‥

Update: The Voice Drama ist out now and I think I know, why some changes were made in the translation. If you want to know more, feel free to scroll down. I think it's important to notice that some serious changes have been made to the original lyrics in the translation. The most egregious in my opinion is this sentence: "I can’t stop, I can’t stop Am I still INNOCENT?" in the Original it is: これしかないの　これしかない ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ "I don't have any other way than this, I don't have any other way than this Why have I been forgiven?" (or if it should be more in line with the english voting system) "Why have I been voted innocent?" It changes the meaning in a pretty serious way, in my opinion. I just wanted to translate some of the changed meanings, but honestly… almost every line is VASTLY different in the Japanese version, so here would be my take on a more accurate translation: "Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I become the person I am? I am counting all the pain “You’re such a disappointment” seems like a favourite phrase of yours You won’t even call out to me by my name You compared me to other people You are always nice and kind to everyone, except me I have to make you turn back [and look at me] again I am not wrong, I am not wrong Don’t laugh at me and tell me that I’m a failure Hey, I wish to be hugged by you as you hugged me long ago Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I have to become the person I am? I am counting all the pain I did not want to become a disappointment to you My tears, whose fault are those? If I could be reborn with the push of a button, I wonder if I could then be what you want me to be I have to make you turn back [and look at me] again (Honestly, this next sentence is a lot to unpack and I am not quite sure I can translate it 100% correctly but my interpretation is as follows) I don't want to die, I don't want to die Living a certain way, so that my dream wouldn’t be devoured is… Stealing so you can receive is… I don't have any other way than this, I don't have any other way than this Why have I been forgiven? Mama, please look. Look I’m amazing, right? “There, there, you’re such a good kid” The dream, far away, flying on big wings, I will make it come true, therefore... (The Kanjis from both Haruka an Muu are in this sentence (Haruka 遥/ Muu 夢羽)) I am not wrong, I am not wrong Don’t laugh at me and tell me that I’m a failure Hey, I wish to be hugged by you as you hugged me long ago Don't toss me aside, I want to be by your side Why did I become the person I am? I am counting all the pain I am not wrong, I am not wrong If I could be reborn with the push of a button, it would be nice if I could then be what you want me to be" I am not 100% sure on every line, especially the lines with the typical Deco*27 neologism of combining 夢食われない (normally 報われる/to be repaid; to be rewarded), which in this case reads more like “Dreams not to be devoured”, and the open-ended ほうが. ほうが is mostly used to show that one way of doing something is better than the other mostly with ほうがいい. Haruka seems to refrain from making this bold statement in the original lyrics, as he never outright says that it’s better, as ほうが can also be used to state that something is a worse option, he seems to hold that belief but is still not 100% sure. That’s why he says “I don't have any other way than this” right after. He knows it’s not quite right, but what other choice does he have? I think there is a lot more nuance in the original lyrics than the translation is able to convey. Haruka is way less determined and has a lot more wishes and hopes instead of demands. Maybe my translation can help shine a new light on this version of Haruka. Update 1: So I guess I kind of know now, why the translation differs so much. As most of the English fandom will never get to hear the voice drama, the translation alone needs to able to convey every information, that will be given to the Japanese fandom and in this case... and oh boy, does the voice drama have some information. Bascially, everything the english fandom was able to deduce from the translation gets confirmed in the voice drama. Haruka thinks he was forgiven for killing a little girl and while he thought it was wrong at first and was troubled by it, our forgiveness means it wasn't that big of a deal. He threatens to kill Es, by saying he kills things that are smaller than him, because they put Haruka into place. He thought of Es as his mother's stand-in, but as Es denies him more and more, he "realizes" MUU was his real mother all along. He threatens to kill Es, again, if Muu is voted guilty in her next trial. But because prisoners can't hurt the warden, as he is reminded by Es, Haruka threatens to kill himself instead, if Muu is voted guilty next time. I still think it's not okay to change the lyrics like that... but I guess it can't be helped, as the voice drama plays a PRETTY big role in his characterization this time, that most of the English fandom will simply miss out on, if it weren't for the changed translation.

@-o0OwO0o-

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@azulululul2390

Жыл бұрын

god bless you man omg

@ellaaa46

Жыл бұрын

yes!! as someone who can understand the original lyrics one of my big pet peeves with milgram is how much the meaning gets warped in the official english translation, which i think can really sway the english speaking fanbase’s perception of these characters. so thank you so much for making this more directly accurate translation so accessible, you did a great job with it!

@franjamon1800

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if they do it on purpose, I mean, two different languages, two different perspectives.

@Lolina

Жыл бұрын

@@franjamon1800 ​ I mean, could be? But honestly, it would kind of make the whole voting system pretty meaningless. Having two sides with vastly different impressions of one character will only lead to a vote with a relatively useless outcome. If one side gets to see a ruthless killer, that would do anything for attention and the other sees a desperate person that's not really sure if all of this is right, there are going to be clear voting tendencies on both sides. Also, most translations up until now have been acceptable with only a few grave mistranslations, but none of those altered the overall perception of the original lyrics this much, like Haruka's song this time.

なんだろ、ギョロっとした目の動きとかがめっちゃリアルで怖い。

大きく羽ばたく遥かな夢ってところで、ムウちゃんの漢字入ってるのもそうだし、英語で訳したらdreaMUになるのも芸術点高すぎて鳥肌立った

夢食われない(むくわれない)って言葉遊び好き過ぎる

ちぐはぐしてる服がボタンをかけ間違えてるのを表してて良い… ハルカきゅん…最後いつも泣いてる…

こいつは別に赦してもいいんだが彼の考えを肯定するのも駄目かなって思う

爪を噛むのは親からの愛情不足で現れる行動ってどっかで見た気がする

お母さん出てきたぁぁって思ったら笑いながら駆け寄るハルカくん最高に狂気じみてて震えた…鳥肌やべぇ……

@huwarari9926

Жыл бұрын

それもやしお母さんに駆け寄ったらお母さんに気味悪がられてビンタされても サイコ&狂気な笑顔で笑う所もホントすこいしマジやべぇ…ハルカくん好き好き…

@ir3ri

Жыл бұрын

@@huwarari9926 もやしかと思った

@huwarari9926

Жыл бұрын

@@ir3ri 確かにもやし炒め食べたくなってきたなポン酢つけて食べて野菜炒めも追加して

@user-ly3bu1ig5m

Жыл бұрын

@@huwarari9926 あああ分かります……だがそんなところもハルカくんらしくて良いですね😇🙏

@huwarari9926

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ly3bu1ig5m そうですよね…とあるコメで見たんですがお母さんにビンタされても笑顔で泣いていたのは今まで相手にされずにいて初めてお母さんに触れられたことが嬉しくて笑っているんじゃないかなっていうコメ見てから胸が締め付けられちゃいました……切なすぎるハルカくん報われて幸せになってほしい

またふり向かせなきゃ、が英語だと、また僕を絶対に愛させるっていう感じの意味合いになっていて、ハルカはお母さんに愛されたいが本当に尋常じゃない

Okay but he’s def talking abt Muu at the end. In the second trial voice drama, Haruka said he is thankful abt Milgram because he met his real mom: Muu. So, when he says he wants to be his favorite, he talks about Muu. When he says if he could redo everything and be his favorite next, he talks about Muu. What a dangerous situation. Because Muu doesn’t know that this man can be rather dangerous.

一番のサビでハルカが水槽を破壊して、水槽の中にいた魚を殺している おそらくハルカは母親の関心の対象になるものを破壊している（母親に見てもらうため） →水槽とその中の生き物は母親の関心の対象になるもの そのあとの間奏で、ハルカが座ってる椅子がある部屋が水に沈んでいる演出がある →自分も水槽の中の生き物のような、母親の関心を向けられるものになりたかった こういうことっすかね…あとは考察班頑張ってくれ

Aight here we go! -The whole collecting dead bugs/ taxidermy having presence around the house could be a sign that his parents (most likely his mother) do it as a job or a hobby ie: they like preserving the bodies of dead animals -Haruka likely took this to mean that they enjoyed dead animals or rationilized it as something similar -Wanting to please his parents he began killing animals under the impression that this what they would enjoy and would paint him as their 'good boy'. Well done to the creators for another amazing job!

@shuugashokora2739

Жыл бұрын

THIS GUYS THIS 😭 i thought so too

@AndyMandyBandy

Жыл бұрын

YOO that's big brain

@monbub

Жыл бұрын

bro thats so smart i didnt even consider that

Guys, although Mu has alot to do with Haruka we shouldn't just vote her forgivable or unforgivable BECAUSE of him. We haven't even seen her video and it can completely throw us off like what this video did. Also let's also remember that there are going to be multiple butterfly-effects based off our decision. Jackalope saying something is gonna happen after trail 2 is eating at my brain 😭😭

@wufflemuffin9197

Жыл бұрын

If anyone has seen the audio dramas, Haruka has a pretty strong fetish for getting hit, so I don't believe that Mu has had a bad influence on Haruka too much. Es hits Haruka in the audio drama, and he starts getting super happy and excited, and you also see it in this video. If anything, Mu has been quite the positivity for Haruka for being someone he can obsess over and also someone that can fulfill his desires. Is it a healthy relationship? If it is just a few minutes slave-queen dynamic where they grant each other's desires, then fine. If you say their whole slave-queen dynamic goes on 24/7 of their lives, then no (although Haruka's obsession is already the problem). Are we aware that their slave-queen dynamic is 24/7 or just an occasional occurrence? I don't know, but it is exactly because of that uncertainty that I see no reason to vote any of them guilty for that. The point of Milgram is to see if you can forgive them for their crimes and not what they are doing now. Then again, Jackalope did say to vote for whatever reason you want, even if it makes no sense, so.... Vote for whatever you guys want I guess, no one is stopping you.

@WolfheartFoxlover

Жыл бұрын

🤔 🤔 Maybe the Ones chosen as guilty as second time..will be Executed

@nastycat409

Жыл бұрын

@@wufflemuffin9197 the hitting thing isn’t a fetish so much as ‘any attention is good attention’… it’s very common in neglected children

@Dokozu

Жыл бұрын

@@wufflemuffin9197 i relate to Haruka a lot, so i disagree on the fetish part... i don't think hes a masochist i just think that he wants whatever kind of attention he can get... if i was at the level of breaking point id be happy with ANY kind of physical contact as well.

at first i didn’t get haruka sympathizers because i got into milgram around then yuno’s second trial was released, but after further examination i kinda get it now. he’s so desperate for love and affection i hope he gets better

ツギハギな服とか長さが違う靴下とかがハルカの異様な感じが出てて良い…

表情とか表現が好きすぎる…… 第一審よりハルカの狂気が見えるし顔や描写が鮮明に表れてる感じがして良い

大きく羽ばたく遥かな夢を これってハルカくんの名前の由来なのかな

My theory: Haruka was loved and praised as a child, but as he grew up, all of that attention left him. That's why he still acts very childish - so people will be more sympathetic to him, since his experience has taught him that people care about children more. That's why he desperately tries to hang on to his childhood - all of his good memories lie there. There are many references to taxidermy and preservation here. Butterflies are pinned and mounted on the wall. That way, they're meant to stay perfect and beautiful. People admire them. Another comment mentions amber preserving creatures in the exact state they were found. Water has a similar effect, slowing decay. But it's not enough, thus the water flooding the screen turns to amber. Haruka is desperately trying to slow the rate of his maturity, trying to stay like this, because he's terrified that no one will love him when he's grown up.

@cowboyjoe7687

Жыл бұрын

hes just like me fr

@alexy5660

7 ай бұрын

This is old, but I think that Haruka's mom never loved him, but his dad did. But then his dad left for some reason, or maybe died, and it was just him and his (neglectful) mom. We know he thinks of his father as part of his family from the interrogation questions, but his dad never shows up in the MVs. I'm not sure where his father's disappearance would lie on the timeline. Probably before he kills his dog, but after the fireworks event.

ハルカは他のどんなことよりも愛されること、自分を見てもらうこと、すなわち"興味を持たれること"が一番なんだろうね。 母親に叩かれて喜んでるのも無関心ではない、つまり愛されていると感じているから。 そういった歪んだ価値観が形成されてしまったから、物を壊す、人を傷つけるという所謂狂ったことをしたら愛されるって思ってるように思う。(第一審の「くるってるって褒めてくれた」) もう罪とか善悪とか社会的な判断基準が通用しないところが難しいなぁ。ハルカが救われる選択はどちらなんだろうね。

うわ…マジでやばいな最高…… 第2審は囚人の本性的な感じって聞いて覚悟はしてたけど想像以上だこれは……

Coming back to Weakness Akka's artstyle and video style has been improved *SO MUCH* and i ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT SO MUCH

@nazunya

Жыл бұрын

I JUST DID THE SAME THING the improvement is amazing, imagine the third trials improvement

@starlightriri

Жыл бұрын

IKR!! I LOVE IT TOO

@lishasubs6726

Жыл бұрын

Everyone was saying that they're expecting for a much improved animation for the next trial, and they're indeed true!

@carp_120

Жыл бұрын

FR THE EXPRESSIONS AND SHADING ARE AMAZING

@NoneDog

Жыл бұрын

The main animator for Haruka's first trial MV was Roduki (Relationship Scramble, Psychogram), with Akka directing and RL and peatmos assisting. If you look at the staff lists for both videos, there were far more people working on the second trial video, and Akka mentioned on Twitter that they better divided up the work for the second trial to make the process smoother. OTOIRO also did some hiring recently and seems to have expanded compared to two years ago. The artists all improved, but here it's more a case of having more hands to help make the load a lot lighter.

何回か歌詞聞いていくうちに自分もハルカくんと同様愛されたい気持ち一緒だし ずっと昔から親にも誰にも相手されずに放置されてて振り向いてもらうにはこうゆう残虐行為した結果お母さんには「振り向いてはくれた」けど 気味悪がられ挙句の果てにはビンタされるとかさ……感情移入しすぎてボロ泣きした…ハルカくん辛すぎるよ幸せになってほしいよっ…

1:46 「夢食われないように」と「報われないように」で全然意味違うの最高

@starpeep5769

Ай бұрын

全然違ってねえ! 奇跡的に、偶然ムウちゃま出遭ってしまうことができたから。

とりあえず初見で聴いて考えた事書いてみました。 母親に大事にされず見て貰えないから、母親が大事にしてた装飾品や水槽の魚をぶちまけたりして叱られたっていいから見て貰おうとしたり、何度も何度も『間ちがいじゃない』って連呼して自身を肯定したりしたのかな…… あと『死にたくない』と言ってる部分で沢山の動物の命を奪ったと思われる描写や、あえて『夢食われない』って表記してるのが、悪夢を食べる動物として有名なバクとか、今ハルカとズブズブな関係になってるムウを連想させたり(ハルカの思考の中が母親で埋め尽くされていたのが、徐々にムウという存在が割り込んで来たことの暗示？)色々考えられるなぁと…… 『ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ』の部分がよく分からなかったけど、もしかしてお兄ちゃんの命を奪ったけれどまだ子供だった事もあり許されたって事なのかな？ その後に母親に沢山奪ってきた命を見せびらかして『すごいでしょ？』って言ってる時にビンタされて、母親から形はどうであれちゃんと自分に対して怒りではあるけれど感情を向けて貰えたからその後のハルカ(ボイスドラマにて)エスにビンタされて喜んでたのかなと推測。 それで最後『ボタン一つで生まれ変われたなら 次はあなたの当たりがいいな』で自分の母親を殺害して生まれ変わらせて、その後に本当は自分も死んで心中するつもりだったんだろうか…？ MVを見る度にそのキャラの過去とか心情を深く追求する事が出来るからすごい楽しいし、相変わらず神曲神MVで素晴らしかったです！！

First watch and I think I have a real vague theory; his family (or just his mom) collected dead animals, like taxidermy and insects and the such. Haruka, in his stunted growth and craving for attention, may have taken to murdering a bunch of animals in some desperate attempt to make her proud, maybe thinking he was helping her with her collection despite the horrid things he was actually doing. It also explains why he killed the dog in the first MV, it was one part of a larger spree he was going on. I’m a little confused on the end, since the person he (or atleast I think it’s him) is choking doesn’t look like the mom (the hair is way darker) so I think it might be the little girl from the first MV? Maybe since the slaughter he went on got his mom’s attention, he thought maybe killing a person would be the next step to take? Overall I think I’m gonna have to wait for more stuff to come out but for now I’m still voting innocent; it’s clear he is incredibly mentally unstable and though that isn’t an excuse for his actions it’s clear he misunderstands a lot and maybe didn’t realize the severity of what he was doing. He needs therapy, not a guilty verdict. Edit: Okay, on a few rewatches, I think maybe the little girl with black hair in the first MV might’ve been his sister. Haruka makes multiple references to being compared to someone else and ‘favorites’ which wouldn’t apply if he was a single child. This also shows the younger boy from the first MV again, notably flashing between him and ‘present’ Haruka. I think it shows how it isn’t his younger brother but just a younger version of himself. The girl isn’t a crush, she’s his sister, and he killed her trying to become his mother’s favorite.

@eowynster

Жыл бұрын

I actually agree with you, in my second rewatch I take notice on the taxidermy too and was just thinking maybe their parents were mostly invest in their job to give him enough attention. And wow, about his sister, i didnt notice but it makes total senses tbh.

@cloverfield522

Жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t it make sense if Haruka just claimed to not have a sibling? Like, if he killed her, he probably wouldn’t mention her

@nerun_0230

Жыл бұрын

I like this theory but since Haruka said he didn't have siblings maybe the girl is some childhood friend or neighbor, sometimes parents compare not only bettwen siblings but another kids they know, so this could be the case (sorry if my english is not good, it's not my first Language)

@monolinny1817

Жыл бұрын

@@cloverfield522 Man that’s clever

@Novanoir

Жыл бұрын

@@cloverfield522 yeah I was thinking something along those lines

声も顔も曲も映像も感情の起伏も群を抜いて大好き。 ただひたすらにお母さんの愛が欲しかったんだなぁと、幼い子供を見る目でみてます。 障害があったとしても、それを分かった時母親が見捨てず愛を与えていたらこうはならなかったのに。という事で僕からの愛で良ければ存分に受け取ってくれえハルカ好きだああ、

coming back to this after reading translations for haruka’s voice drama, he sees mu as his mother now since she’s the only person willing to “forgive” him and “give him attention”. mu could’ve manipulated him into this, but i don’t believe she entirely realises the extent of haruka’s feelings just yet and what she’s gotten herself into. i would judge mu separately based on her mv and dramas rather than basing it on her relationship with haruka, because i doubt this is what she wanted to get herself into. she’s in a dangerous position

ハルカくんの歌は一審も二審も上に伸びる歌声がサビに来てる。強いミックスボイスじゃなくて伸びやかで女性的と言うか、、 ホリエルの演技力ありきなんだろうけど、ハルカくんの今までの成り立ちの根底にお母さんの声がずっと燻り続けているのかなって気がしました。

考察はさておき、ハルカくんの絶望的な表情からあざとい上目遣い、狂気的な笑みなどいつも暗めな表情をしてるハルカくんの色んな喜怒哀楽が見れて大変満足しております。製作チームさんありがとうございます………

Idk how to express my thoughts very well but here we go: Haruka wants attention from his mother, even if its her repressing him, like in his first song when he says " you praised me by saying ' Your crazy' " So, seeing that killing was making her pay attention to him he continued " I'll keep killing to be your good boy" in the first song we can see a cycle in the chorus: " Ahaha please notice me" he kills, his mother repress him ( gives the attention he wants) " I was wrong. Yes, it was me" Haruka apologizes. (And the cycle continues) Tho, here he keeps saying the contrary " I wasn't wrong, I wasn't wrong" bcs that what he actually thinks. Haruka kept saying he was wrong in the first song just bcs he was saying that to his mother, and in the second song is he thinking to himself. When his mother slaps him ( gives him attention) for killing he smiles and thinks " I wasn't wrong" he says he isn't wrong bcs well, he isn't. Killing makes his mother pay attention to him ( and he got voted innocent) so why would he think he is wrong? Well, its all pretty obvious but I wanted to write down so I don't forget my thoughts lol ( I voted Haruka guilty bcs Im voting based on if they feel guilty and/or would kill again. And this bro thinks hes right and obviously would kill again💀) MY OPINION

0:58 あたりの水槽が落ちて中の木が出てくる部分で木が干からびた人間の腕に見えて一人で勝手に震えてました

一般的に爪を噛むって聞くと子供のイメージが出てきてハルカの精神の幼さを表現してるのと 他にも爪を噛むのはストレスだって言われてたり、大人でも噛んでる人は小さい頃からの習慣だったりするからやっぱ今もだけど幼少期に何か過度なストレスを抱えてたんだなって思う 歌詞にも期待はずれと言われた的な事を言ってることから、小さい頃は親から期待されてて愛されて抱きしめられてたんだなって… 映像で物にあたってるのを見るにストレスが酷かったり感情をコントロールできてなかったり、物に当たってしまう人は自分の中に溜め込みがちな傾向があるって言われててハルカもそうなんだなって感じた

最後の首ゆらゆらしてるハルカくん、最高に不気味で好き

多分最初は純粋に褒めて欲しかっただけなんだろうけどそれでも褒めて貰えなくてこれじゃダメだってなって普通のことをして褒めてもらうことを諦めて狂ってしまったのが本当に苦しい

I don't know if someone said it earlier, but I think it's pretty important detail so "間ちがいじゃない/ I wan't wrong" is not about he thinks he's doing/have done the right thing, not really 間ちがい in this part also can be translated as "mistake", what refers to his thoughts that he's not a MISTAKE, not a LOSER or some kind of hopeless child I saw some people interpreted that line as sign that Haruka doesn't feel guilty about his actions anymore, so in my opinion this translation can be really misleading :(

@Lolina

Жыл бұрын

You're totally right. I didn't think of that one, got to influenced by the English translation it seems, but that line also has a double meaning. Especially with the "デキソコナイ" that follows it. The japnese lyrics just have so much nuance and give so much room for interpretation, it's so unfortunate the english fandom has to base their opinions on this mess of a translation.

@monolinny1817

Жыл бұрын

Agreed that the translations and original lyrics are really different, and yes I've read the replies from Lolina's another comments. But imo it seems like it was intentional since the first trials' translations isn't like this so milgrammers can cooperate and interpret the lyrics even wider. Of course it might be misleading to people who only understand 1 language, but it feels like a metaphor of one-sided info or a put-up facade to me. People who aren't willing to acknowledge the other side (look up for more lyrics/translations) will never get to know.

@Lolina

Жыл бұрын

​ @Mono LinnY i mean the english fandom misses out on so much stuff if it weren't for fan translations. The Milgram App Timeline, the Twitter question and most of all the interigations. So most of the English fandom votes based on the songs alone, while only a small margin of people hunts down all the info they can get. I for one really wished there were more official translations and that people didn't have to rely on fan translations to see the whole picture.

ハルカがもし有罪となったら、一審と二審で無罪と有罪、どちらも受けるということで混乱するのではないかな、そうなったら次の犠牲者が出るかもしれない。

なんかヤバい事はひしひしと伝わったけどとにかくハルカくんがえぐいかっこいいのと蝶々潰してたので少年の日の思い出を思い出した。総じて言うとハルカくん好き。

「僕はどうして許されたんだ」 やっぱり許されないことをした自覚が本人にはあるんだな… ただ、一審で許してしまったことで許されないと思ってたことを肯定されたから… このまま肯定し続けたら、殺人鬼エンド的な人殺しに躊躇ない人間になりそう。

どのような作品かも知らず偶然見かけて初めて聞いたのですがまず曲のインパクトに圧倒されました。「また振り向かせなきゃ」が何かしらの作業のように思えて仕方がなくなるとでも言いましょうか、焦燥感より"しょうがないなぁ僕そっちにいないよこっちだよ"と頬に手を添えて自分の方に無理やり向けるような幼さがあるように思いました。何より歌詞に小学校で習う漢字だけが使われているのは意図的だと思われますが、この青年が小さい時に感じた想いが歌になっているという事なのでしょうか？大人になっても根深く残る嫌な記憶があるのは辛いことです… とても興味がそそられたので公式ホームページを見に行ってきます。良い出会いをありがとうございます。

I love Haruka, but I'm scared of the possibility that I'll view him as guilty after this Also he looks stunning here!

@Cerixem

Жыл бұрын

Same my heart couldn’t take it if I can’t forgive him 💔💔

@pomme2903

Жыл бұрын

Well he literally killed multiple animals and human beings.

@suchalovelyfleeting1505

Жыл бұрын

@@pomme2903 well, they all did kill people, some prisoners (kotoko, shido) killed a lot and didn't get guilty verdict, so...

@beans9288

Жыл бұрын

what do you think?!

@soleilpeik

Жыл бұрын

So...uhm. How do you view him after this?

考察とか全然出来ないんだけど 何故か最後お母さんに打たれたあとのハルカの表情で涙が出た

ハルカくん、最初あれだけもがいてたのに最後は壊れたかのようにゆらゆらしながら笑み浮かべてるの怖いけどなんだかその狂気にも惹かれますね…

Me, during Haruka's first song: "Hmm, i see, so maybe his "murder" here is him killing his alter or childhood ego, i see" Me now: "oh"

@n.p.4954

Жыл бұрын

Ha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

@_ai_8769

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was jealous of other children since he said in his childhood her mother was nice to him but when he got older he wasn't loved anymore, and probably he killed the child who was like him I mean loved child. (Sorry for my poor English)😅

@ExrlynQ_

10 ай бұрын

he literally said "i will keep on killing to be a good boy" now T-T

KUDOS TO THE ANIMATORS!! Massive improvements - trial one was already beautiful but this is insane!

‘Can I be your favourite this time’ my guy you’re already my favourite dont worry

Haruka's second trial's verdict: *GUILTY* (54.97%) Haruka had answered 20 interrogation questions: Q1: Do you like yourself? A: I think i like my current self. Q2: What's your opinion on the prisoners? A: They're not my mom. Q3: Do you want to leave MILGRAM? A: I want to stay here forever. Q4: Tell us the origin of your name. A: It seems like she wanted a girl. She had already chosen this name. Q5: Do you think you will be forgiven this time as well? A: I think so. Guard-san said what i did wasn't wrong. Q6: What is a father to you? A: He's not that interested in me i guess. Q7: What would you do if you receive 1.000.000¥ and you must spend right now? A: I don't know. Guard-san, please do it in my stead. I'm giving them to you. Q8: Do you have any fun memories of your childhood? A: My childhood was fun, because my mom was nice. Q9: What do you think about Kotoko's attacks on the other prisoners? A: It's scary. But Guard-san thinks that those people were bad people, right? Q10: If you could turn back time, would you commit the same murder once again? A: I don't know. I think I wouldn't have done it if I were in MILGRAM. Q11: Are there any prisoners you can't deal with? A: I'm fine with Amane-chan now. I'm not scared of small children anymore. Q12: What do you want from the warden? A: Please forgive Muu-san. Q13: What is the difference between you and someone else? A: Everything. Every single thing is wrong. Q14: What do you do when you're bored? A: I always go to sleep. Q15: If you had one wish, what would you use it for? A: To be smart and strong. I want to become an interesting person. Q16: Which is more important, a person's personality or appearance? A: I think it's personality. Q17: How many years do you want to live? A: I've never thought about it, but I don't want to die. Q18: Which prisoner is the most like you? A: No one, because they're all great people. Q19: Would you forgive the other prisoners? A: Yes. I think everyone must have had their own circumstances Q20: Did you hate the person you killed? A: I wonder... I think I was jealous of them.

@ChimeraLotietheBunny

Жыл бұрын

dang legit answers

@childofwelp

Жыл бұрын

I mean, I'm at least glad he doesn't hate anyone 😭

@hearts.22

Жыл бұрын

it breaks my heart that he's guilty but I hope he figures out he was wrong

@genericyoutubecommentchann7418

Жыл бұрын

The fact that he feels he wouldn’t have committed the murder if he was in Milgram and that he wants to stay in the prison forever honestly melts my heart. He wants to be a good person, but he feels he can only do that if he’s in an environment where he feels like he belongs and won’t give in to his violent instincts. And right now, the only environment that suits that is prison. I don’t want him to be voted guilty or innocent. I want him to get rehabilitation of some kind.

@vanessashalom2775

Жыл бұрын

@@hearts.22 that goes horribly wrong with amane

水槽の魚が水がなくて床にぐったりしてる真ん中にはるかくんも苦しんでる。魚は水があれば自由に泳げるつまりはるかくんが適した環境でちゃんと病院に行けていればちゃんと生活できたのかな

歌詞に自分の名前の由来を入れるところ皮肉だな好き

@Tiroze

Жыл бұрын

おー、確かにそうですね。0:26 で「名前を呼んてくれやしない」って歌詞あるおかげで、呼んでくれないから自分自身で呼ぶしかない感あって、余計皮肉だなと思いました

前回もそうだったかもだけど、概要欄の歌詞が所々ひらがななのとか 1:57で「ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ」って言ってるのもう鳥肌

曲名的に良くも悪くも調子に乗ったハルカの気持ちが聞けると思ったのに尚更許したくなってしまうのが来て複雑、曲自体はまじで好き

It's weird to think that basically all of my theories on thus guy from the first song were correct, but i am a little sad that voting him as innocent has given him the idea that what he did was okay. He was so close to redemption too. This dude needs therapy, not encouragement.

第一審では「まちがっていたのはぼくだった」と自分の行為で母親は愛してくれなかったと言っている。 だけど、第二審では「まちがいじゃないよ」って言っていて、心境の変化を感じる。 ただ、「ぼくはどうしてゆるされたんだ」とも言ってるから、母親に拒絶された行為を許されたことが理解できないのかもしれない。 そして、ボイストレーラーでも思ったのだが、ハルカは自分を見てくれるミルグラムに居心地の良さを感じていると考えられる。「ボタン一つで生まれ変われたら」って言ってることからも、ミルグラムから出て生きたいというより、新しい自分になって今度は間違った選択をしないで母親に愛されたいのではないかと思った。 ハルカの狂気が見えた気もするが、根底は「愛されたい」っていう至極純粋な思いだろうと思う。おそらく母親のペンダントを盗む、ころしをするなどは全部親の気を引くため。子供が親に構ってほしくてする行動にそっくり。 ハルカは死にたくないとも言っているが、最後まで許したとして彼に救いがあるのか疑問になった。 まあ細かいことはわかりませんが、単純に曲が良いですね。ギターがかっこいい。 MVもレベルアップしていて他の囚人も楽しみです。

一審と二審でここまで変わるのかと恐怖さえあります。 ハルカくんの心の叫びが凄すぎて鳥肌が止まりません…

期待外れの自分を見向きもしてくれなかったお母さんが、唯一反応してくれたことが生命を奪うことだったから、お母さんに振り向いて欲しくてたくさん殺してきたんだね。

私はあくまでもハルカは発達障害か？二重人格か？など考察しているけどこの第二審MV の歌詞と歌声が苦しく「訴えてる」に聴こえて…後半出てきた義母または実母に殴られて「かまってくれた」と喜んでいるハルカを観てなんて答えばわからなくなるくらい辛すぎて泣いちゃう…

@LaplacesShaytan

4 ай бұрын

エスｰくん が おかアちん だよね

my personal theory from this is that haruka killed his sibling/s because he used to be the favorite child, but his possible neurodivergency causes his mom to favor the others. he killed them so he could be the favorite once more. idk why but the bugs on the walls feel like family pictures, so haruka crushing the butterfly can showcase this.

@ew358

Жыл бұрын

I've had the sense that it's very literally that he killed animals before he killed people (siblings/mum). The first MV suggested he killed a dog by crushing its head with a rock. Also it ties into a lot of serial killer origins of cruelty to animals leading to killing people.

@lavendersmith8584

Жыл бұрын

@@ew358 that’s true too omg

“I just want to be your good boy.” First of all, the song and animation is amazing as usual, I legit got goosebumps watching this. Second, wow. I wasn’t really expecting this compared to the first trial. It’s awesome and provides so much more information on Haruka’s character. To put it simply, his mom always compared him to someone, or something else. She didn’t make him feel loved growing up (It is implied that she used to love him more when he was younger), and as a result, he craved her affection to an extremely unhealthy level. Haruka’s solution for that is to kill , in this case the animals, because he believed that if there is nothing left for his mom to compared him to, then he would finally be her “only favorite.” He found himself unable to stop killing after that. Of course, his mom’s reaction was the total opposite and she used violence on him . It wasn’t clear what he did next, but I’m guessing that instead of animals, he might’ve moved on to kill someone. I love how the apologetic tone of the first trial changes to an unapologetic “I wasn’t wrong” due to the result of the voting last time. Curious to know the result of this trial! Please remember we’re voting whether to forgive him or not, not whether he is guilty, because everyone in milgram is guilty to some extent.

I wanted to note something that most people do not seem to notice but it is very much possible for Haruka to just be acting childish because his mother gave him attention only when he was a child. This is also proven by the fact that in one haruka’s 2nd trial voice trailers he spoke in a formal manner before quickly switching mid-sentence into a more childish way of speaking(I remember seeing it on twitter,i think)

I don't know why there isn't more people talking about this detail, but when i first saw it I couldn't not realize the amount of tropical fish and its symbolism. We now that Mu and Haruka have some kind of codependency right? And that Mu had said in her intervew that her hobby was taking care of tropical fish I because they were cute. I think this MV has a lot to do with how he views himself and how Mu views him. Just a little pet to look after. Still, Haruka doesn't mind, he even likes it! Whatever for the attention ig, but he knows it won't last long in his subconsciousness, it will bust sooner or later. And since they're both getting guilty.... We'll have to see how it ends :)

@n.p.4954

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking it was because Haruka killed what his mother treasures. Mu said she likes tropical fish so Haruka kills them for her attention. Idk just a thought.

According to Jackalope, affirming ideas is what an innocent vote is. If so, then why did Haruka's idea of "Being wrong" change to the opposite? I'm debating what effects both an innocent and a guilty vote will do for Haruka's ideas and mental state. I love Haruka's character, almost like he's a son I never had that needs guidance, but which choice would really help him? Innocent votes aren't just white and guilty votes aren't just black here in Milgram.

@Lulu-iv7fr

Жыл бұрын

I think from the beginning Haruka’s actual idea was “he was not wrong” and not “he was wrong”. For one if Haruka’s truly thought that what he did was wrong in season 1 then logically he shouldn’t he happy when we had agreed to that sentiment and now say that he wasn’t wrong that doesn’t make sense. Second in his voice drama Es had said that based on Haruka’s behavior he should have been the seventh person. Now Es doesn’t have any memories so he can’t be talking about Haruka’s being the seventh person with a similar personality in MILGRAM so it safe to say that Es probably meant that Haruka should have been the seventh person interrogated which means the being the seventh prisoner. At first this comment doesn’t mean much (since at first everyone thought the forgiven vote meant we have forgiven their sins) but there is a comment (I think on kotoko’s mv) that said the first trial order was based on how unforgivable the prisoners see themselves and with Haruka’s being number 1 he should see himself completely unforgivable. But if Haruka was supposed to be the seventh prisoner then his mindset would make sense. If Haruka’s was supposed to be prisoner 007 then that would mean his idea was actually more towards I wasn’t wrong than I was wrong. Anyway with Es comment in the voice drama to Haruka’s major personality change ( while we can attribute that the major change was because of Muu if Haruka truly thought he did wrong and many agree to it thanks to the vote then Haruka’s change shouldn’t have been so big. If anything he would just talk and listen to muu more and shut others out) I am now very doubtful on Haruka’s whole character ( is he really as remorseful as he is shown to be or was he just exaggerating it to gain more attention and sympathy) and wondering if Haruka just showed us half truths and withheld some info in his mv to make himself look more pitiful and weak to us. (Also I’m not saying that Haruka is some master manipulator or anything I just mean he was exaggerating things to a bigger proportion than they actually were like what a person does sometimes when telling a story to others to make themselves look cooler, sympathetic etc) And about Haruka’s vote I think now it would really matter on what is shown on the mv (hopefully it won’t be as vague as the last one otherwise I won’t have a clue anymore) But based on the thumbnail I am actually getting a bad feeling for Haruka this time. I won’t be surprised if milgram showed this fan favorite in a bad light this time and make us vote him unforgiven (After all they did say this trial was going to be hell) What do you think?

@cheeseincrackers3453

Жыл бұрын

@@Lulu-iv7fr The voice drama thing where Es says Haruka should of been the seventh prisoner is more of a translation thing. It's more commonly taken as Es would of perfered to interogate Haruka seventh. Honestly I don't really think Mu had much of effect on Haruka's mindset of his crime. I way I see it this could go two ways. One, Haruka believes what he did wasn't wrong because his murder led him to Milgram, a safe space that accepted and validated him by viewing him as forgivable. It wasn't Mu that changed him, it was US. Two, AKAA could take place before Haruka could of had the mindset of what he was doing was wrong and he could see by the end of it him relieze what he did was wrong and end up at the same mindset that we find him at in Weakness. Just some thoughts tho

@eve6686

Жыл бұрын

im going to vote him unforgiven cuz if i don't he will probably think that what he did was right.....and the fact that he DID murder someone is one of the reasons too...

@reon8520

Жыл бұрын

@@eve6686 isnt it better to say hes "not forgiven" instead of "guilty" because technically all of them are guilty?

@eve6686

Жыл бұрын

@@reon8520 oh yeah... but anyways-

Remember guys, we're voting to see if their actions are forgivable or unforgivable. NOT to determine whether they're guilty or not, because they all are. 😭 P.S. my initial thoughts about Haruka was wrong. I thought he only killed one dog. That's a lot of animals. 😭

@aquisui

Жыл бұрын

it would be funny if the number of animals increased in his next song.

@eve6686

Жыл бұрын

me too...the amount of animals he killed just cuz he wanted LOVE and ATTENTION.....

@omumafu6346

Жыл бұрын

yuno isnt guilty tho she just had an abortion

@zaphyrae

Жыл бұрын

@@omumafu6346lol, maybe not with typical common sense, but with the way American politics are going..... Mmmmm.... I love my country......

@ifpsychobadwhyhot

Жыл бұрын

@@aquisui OH GOD. That would be funny. Stahp. 😂

二審MVの中でもやっぱり群を抜いて良いな、、単純に絵も内容も、、

ハルカは「非道な行いをすることで気を引く。」という思考に対して赦されるかどうか気にしているような歌詞が見受けられたから、そこだけで判断するなら許されることではない。 と思ったけど声から表情までドキュンッ過ぎて悩む…