milgram.jp/judge Certain Milgram trials demand more active consideration than others, and I think this is one of them. Remember that Amane’s story deals with child abuse/torture as well as religious trauma and indoctrination, among other things. Please do your best to be respectful and mature when discussing it. There are many real life cult survivors. I imagine Mikoto’s trial will call for a similarly high amount of courtesy, so thank you for your efforts 🙏 I will be (trying to) monitor comments, and will delete yours if you are particularly disrespectful or ignorant. This is no way means that you can’t express a more unpopular voting opinion, just don’t be stupid, basically. Thank you!

@ac-gf4zt

8 ай бұрын

@@Ergzay Genuinely all the comment says is to be respectful considering that this is a sensitive topic (i.e. dont make fun of child abuse)- it quite literally states that you’re still more than welcome to talk about more unpopular opinions if you have them. There is no bias here. Read something again before you chastise me about it.

“Im fifteen, so I’m considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You’re twelve, so you’re a child no matter the country” reminds me of “You are a minor who knows nothing about the world. You are the ugly one here. I can make YOU shut up but I suggest you one thing. You don't want to deal with a devil like me.”

@max1mum_yt

8 ай бұрын

CACKLED.

@ac-gf4zt

8 ай бұрын

Ackshually, I’m 15, so I’m considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti 🤓🤓☝️ Es definitely went and studied on that just to win arguments against her

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@ac-gf4zt someone on X please draw Es being the book club leader and the prisoners are the members

@SoupMan6

8 ай бұрын

I wonder where he got that information, because in Puerto Rico you aren't considered an adult at the age of 15.

@maryz9319

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, that bit of exchange reminded me of the arguments I would get in with an older sibling trying to assert authority because they had a couple years on me, insisting it meant they were less of a child.

i feel like were gonna regret both choices no matter what....

@11th-lemon

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I think voting based on the potential consequences is pointless because the writers will find a way to generate conflict no matter what. It's also very unlikely that someone will die before the third trial, since that would mean we'd get one fewer song.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@11th-lemon yeah I agree on the last bit and the first bit to some extent is true I mean one cartoon is on like season 6 an the main character still will not be a fuking couple an they just keep bullshitting the tumblr fandom XD

@rachoni9060

8 ай бұрын

It's almost like a crime and punishment system based on real life sentencing doesn't actually yield results and perpetuates crime itself. I'm so shocked (not really).

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@rachoni9060 so what are you suggesting we just do nothing when crime happens I mean it’s totally not hurting China at all lol Jk

@klbzplb

8 ай бұрын

@@rachoni9060 i mean at least real life has more options than freedom/death sentence you know 😭

the fact that part of this is them being brats to eachother down to the "akschually fifteen is technically considered an adult in puerto rico and haiti 🤓" is sending me 😭 they really are both just kids beefing with eachother jts so funny edit: well they are until right after when they're not 😧 wow....uhhh good luck shidou 👍

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Tie the vote

“Our history is one that’s built on dialogue” Es in the first trial drama: *YOU DUMB CHILD!! I WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU!!!!*

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

He really only said you child don't act as if your above me he has shown to hate being seen as venerable which is something Amane is doing her whole MV is her just wanting to have security which Es seeks by dominating everyone

@a_black_box

8 ай бұрын

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 Mhm, I was just poking fun lol

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@a_black_box I know :p

@kaprix6436

8 ай бұрын

​@@senritsujumpsuit6021"I know", the most relieving thing that could be said in a youtube comment reply section `:)

“im fifteen so im considered an adult in puerto rico and haiti” es we arent in either of those countries ur a child 😭😭

@SHSL_RM

8 ай бұрын

@brokidokii What’s even funnier is that what they said isn’t remotely true. They really just made something up to look more mature to Amane 😭

@lovelysan

8 ай бұрын

@@SHSL_RM I think Es is just severely misunderstanding the quinceañera tradition. XD

@osozak1girl

8 ай бұрын

@@lovelysanLOL

''I won't forgive the 'yous' '' I felt shivers done my spine when Amane broke the fourth wall

@pearlmoth

5 ай бұрын

it’s because es said “we”

@justdemi2585

4 ай бұрын

When she said that I lowkey had a feeling her sprite was looking at me through the screen holy shit

I’m glad it was confirmed that the characters don’t age in real time. They’ve had several birthday conversations on their timelines, which made people think that Amane would have been 15 now. Thankfully that’s not the case. It’d be kind of depressing if they were stuck here for years.

@vinnieyeayea

8 ай бұрын

How old is amane??? I thought she was like 7-12

@jigo9380

8 ай бұрын

@@vinnieyeayeashe’s 12

@SiSoz

8 ай бұрын

Isn't milgram a sort of purgatory? If so then no wonder they don't age 🤔

@jl8417

8 ай бұрын

I mean I definitely think they still experience having to be in prison for years, its just they don't age so Haruka has turned 18 four times...

@Yosafires

8 ай бұрын

​@@jigo9380omg the likes are 12

"I'm fifteen,so I'm considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You're twelve,so you're a child no matter the country." Es has so many ways to prove his maturity and important role between the two of them and yet he chose the most childish answer. God, that it so stupid, I love him.

@heymayday8761

8 ай бұрын

es uses they/them afaik /nm

@agenteantidiversion3958

8 ай бұрын

@@heymayday8761 Es uses "Boku" a first person pronoun used mainly by young men or in a work environment. Boku can also be used by women (like any other japanese pronoun lol), but has an androgynous feeling to it, they/them it's supposed to give this same feeling in the translation.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

as someone who watched Soul Eater if a character has no official gender who the fuk cares :3 @@agenteantidiversion3958

@yipeee5614

8 ай бұрын

it's not even right thats what makes it funnier

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@yipeee5614 Middle school an early high-schoolers being baby

Her voice changed back to sounding more like how she originally sounded when she got worked up, as though when her coping mechanism as "we" was shaken you could see glimpses of how she actually feels. Lashing out against being rejected and judged, she tries to become a concept, something irreproachable and undefiable, so that it is not her, the child, who is being rejected, but her religion, which can fight back. in a way, isnt this what the meta voters wanted? to attack the religion instead of the child? of course, it doesnt work like that. even this is only an expression of the damage suffered by the child. I think she denies being a child so that she doesnt have to be helpless to judgement, even though she is clearly still psychologically vulnerable to that judgement. through religion she was able to fight back against those who abused her through the religion. it would be more accurate to think of the cult as a set of rules that was originally imposed on her that she has made into her own sense of power in the moment she killed her abuser. why would she give that up for milgram, a set of rules where she is in the weak? by the end of the voice drama her voice is as it used to sound, awake and aware, pointing out the hypocrisy of those of "us" who judge her with as arbitrary a system as her own. "Playing pretend" is what we are doing.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

She like Es wants to be bigger then before be something unmovable to keep her above the pain its why Es bullies everyone so hard an hates being reminded of things you don't have to fake anything those are words that terrify Es to the core

@stereotypical_villain

8 ай бұрын

YOUR IQ IS HIGHER THAN THE SKY I AM WILL BE USING IN MY THEORY

So as Amane said it wasn't murder to her it was just punishment.. Her father broke a vow in their faith. Possibly brushed it off or ignored it. However, Amane got brutal punishment for breaking the same vow or other vows. So in her mind she delivered a punishment in alignment with her faith proving she did nothing wrong but give punishment for breaking a vow of the religion. She did kill her abuser but she didn't see it that way she was just doing the same thing her abuser did. She stopped her abuse but with the wrong view of the world...

@ForgettablePerson

8 ай бұрын

It was her mother

@petfishy

6 ай бұрын

@@ForgettablePerson it was both of them. its implied in the mv that her mother or someone in the house was receiving medical treatment. both would be complicit in this. makes sense considering he father is a preacher and those ranking high in cults wont follow their own rules as they believe themselves to be the exception to the rule often times

@petfishy

6 ай бұрын

@@ForgettablePerson it was both of them who broke the rules. its implied in the mv that her mother or someone in the house was receiving medical treatment. both would be complicit in this. makes sense considering her father is a preacher and those ranking high in cults wont follow their own rules as they believe themselves to be the exception to the rule often times

This is such a big 'oh no' to me, a lot of people will watch the MV and not know this exists or take it into account when voting 😭

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Exactly

@10milratos

8 ай бұрын

real i take back all my innocent votes after this

Es's "I'm 15, so I'm considered an adult in some countries, and ur not" IS SO CHILDISH!! This is basically just two children bickering lmao. Amane is absolutely right about Es being just like her and respect to her for realizing we (the voters, the "we" Es uses) exist! Like everything she says is basically right except for the fact that murder is wrong (girlie. it is. come on.) and the fact that Shidou shouldn't have done what he did. But also this feels contradicting to her mv - didn't she kill her abuser, the one who's been "brainwashing" her? How does that even work in her worldview? Can't wait for her 3rd voice drama so that it all clears up I guess

@Hibiscuitsy

8 ай бұрын

ive been seeing ppl say that the abuser killed the cat amane was seen taking care of, and in amanes eyes that violates “’Tis ordained, thou shall follow thine destiny”. I think this means something about not changing the fate god had laid for them. so things like medical care (also why shes out for shidou) and killing would break this since they either extend ones life or shorten it. amane mightve killed her abuser as a form of punishment for breaking this rule (killing the cat) but thats just my thoughts on it

@grey-spark

8 ай бұрын

Don't forget the: "Do not" "Do too!" "Do not!" exchange that came right after that.

@mochimonika

8 ай бұрын

@@grey-spark I KNOW RIGHT!

@zoren3320

8 ай бұрын

Regarding Amane killing her abuser. She did that because it fell in line with her religious view. Amane didn't kill because of revenge, she killed because of religion.

@11th-lemon

8 ай бұрын

I think her motive was 50% revenge (shown by her last lines in her music video) and 50% religious punishment (since otherwise the song wouldn't be so religious). I imagine her victim showed hypocrisy in some way. The thing I don't understand is why Amane looks so obviously brainwashed in both of her videos. If she was truly brainwashed she wouldn't perceive herself that way.

I have no idea what's going on but it sounds like they've dropped a lot of MILGRAM lore

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

She point's out like others have before that Es is not entirely separate from them they both hold up a barrier in the mind to keep themselves feeling some what in control an safe Muu is just letting things play out because making in effort caused her pain Amane is adopting pieces of the cult to structure her own mission her flag was crying Es can't stomach being considered a victim at all so he constantly acts like a stone wall

@boxtycoon3548

8 ай бұрын

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I think it would be REALLY interesting as a twist if at the end of the 3 trials Es Released a Music Video and we had to choose to forgive ourselves and our actions or find ourself guilty and hold accountable for the extra pain we caused these prisoners

@the_clover_star

8 ай бұрын

​@@boxtycoon3548THAT'S ONE OF MY ED THEME IDEAS!!! ( ish- ) but yeah that will be cool! And it will make sense do to the end of the 1st manga that happened.

@stereotypical_villain

8 ай бұрын

I understand everything and more and I'm gonna make a high IQ theory and I feel like a smart villain in an anime oh my god

@CaramelisedOmlet

8 ай бұрын

​@@senritsujumpsuit6021Not to be "that guy" but... Es goes by they/them not he/him

This actually sucks so bad. I wish I could just tell her "You were right for killing your abusive mother, yet you shouldn't continue on your doctrine any longer" instead of just voting her guilty or innocent. Seeing her like this hurts so much and neither the innocent votes or the guilty votes will make it better.

she put her hat back on and became mentally stable again

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

its totally the hat an not anything more subtle

@pugjuice8462

8 ай бұрын

She wants to go fishing.

@telestare

Ай бұрын

Not KKHTA 😭

Amane: you're just a kid like me Es: nu uh

"I'm fifteen, so I'm considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You're twelve, so you're a child no matter the country" - 🤓🤓🤓

@crazypegasie9748

8 ай бұрын

Es really said: "Ackshually 🤓☝☝"

I really like detail of changing her sprit to angry one from door when she started having breakdown and changing to happy one when she realised es is same as her

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

I like this idea of Amane an Kotoko both just wanting Es to be someone to feel safe with that shares there suffering its morbidly wholesome

I feel like if Amane is voted innocent it will be another Kotoko situation. We already know she’s planning to “punish” Shidou if she’s voted innocent, but if someone tries to stop her while that’s happening, or someone tries to help Shidou, more and more people could be “punished” and it would possibly result in casualties without Shidou there to help. Sorry if this doesn’t make sense I’m exhausted.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

it would likely have a similar bond made between her an Es the whole you are beside me, your a beacon of my wish, you are my quote on quote friend and or sword

@user-nx8hx4mb1l

8 ай бұрын

Amane literally is another Kotoko waiting to happen. The only difference between them is Amane's doing it for religious reasons, Kotoko's doing it "to protect the weak". Although Kotoko's really just trying to justify her violent tendencies rooted at vengeance at her past abuser. She's so caught up in trying to act out as the punisher of the oppressors because she loathes the fact that she had no power to protect herself in the past. Violence satisfied her lust for vengeance and gave her a false sense of control, meanwhile Amane's beliefs in her religion is what gives her her own false sense of control. In reality, none of their actions are really helping them nor do they have any control over themselves. Personally from my perspective, Amane's hopeless at this point.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

Amane is not even doing it for the group she is doing it to stay alive enough to see her dad an to do that she has to fight back an the only way to have allies by what she already knows plus some her own flare @@user-nx8hx4mb1l

@Huhu0137

8 ай бұрын

Wait I’m confused what happened between Amane and Shidou??

@Phantomlyre

8 ай бұрын

@@Huhu0137their beliefs clash. shidou helped the injured milgram prisoners. in amane's religion that's not allowed

Honestly, I am both surprised and impressed that AMANE of all people was the one who ended up with the upper hand at the end of their voice drama. That was one well timed rapid onset headache.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

she just points out the fact that from pretty much the start of Milgram he has done similar coping methods even if they both don't know exactly what they did

Actually the warden who falls asleep after trials and cannot maintain order between prisoners using the "unable to be attacked" trait is kinda useless as a warden djdjkssksksj

I have a theory that Amane will try to kill Shidou and Shidou will let her. He will accept her "punishment" because he believes he deserves it. It's the punishment we wouldn't give him... I cry at night thinking about these characters 🥲

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

I bet in that case Kotoko will step in she has a way of things an a 12 year old out the blue snipping a man is not her way

@marshfur2234

8 ай бұрын

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 but I'm sure, most people would vote kotoko guilty, because of what she did last time..

@emmavanvelzen9890

8 ай бұрын

I don’t think so, i believe that in his second mv he had a realisation that he wanted to be innocent and that he was innocent. Especially now that he’s been voted innocent a second time

@user-nx8hx4mb1l

8 ай бұрын

@emmavanvelzen9890 A little arguable. Shidou was conflicted between being validated in the second trial. He knows what he did was sick and unforgiveable and he understood what it felt to have something important taken away from you, hence the only way to rectify his sin was death. Take it as the perspective of a suicidal person who wants to die, but finds a purpose with the skills that he has. Not to mention Amane reminds him of his own children. If Amane does find a way to inflict divine punishment on him, Shidou wouldn't do anything because he knows he deserves death for all the lives he's taken away, and it was only a matter of time that his own actions would finally catch up to him. The fact that Amane's the one doing it to him can also be interpreted by him as his own children scorning him for his own actions. Why would Shidou choose to stay and help these strangers when the people he held so dear are already dead? Wouldn't it be more in line with his desire if he accepts death when it comes knocking on his door if it meant that he'll finally be reunited with his loved ones?

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@emmavanvelzen9890 he is on the fence he craves life but still hates himself

She really went from "☝🤓" to "👿🙏..."

I just realized, I think this is the first voice drama we’ve had this season where someone didn’t bring up Kotoko. I didn’t think it’d actually happen.

@LanieMae

8 ай бұрын

And it’s surprising since amane was one of the guilty prisoners

@Laupsonic

8 ай бұрын

Because she's a child, kotoko didn't attack her because of it

@genericyoutubecommentchann7418

8 ай бұрын

@@LanieMae Yeah, I was half expecting Amane to claim that she was spared because her actions were just and her god was protecting her or something like that.

@sukuki

6 ай бұрын

@@Laupsonici believe it was actually because she didn’t have enough time to (Es woke up) or because of the ceasefire they arranged with her, it’s unclear

damn this one is hard to vote on, because while I forgive her for lashing out at the source of abuse in her life (killing the parent), she needs to know that her worldview is wrong, and what she endured wasn't punishment but abuse- but the last time we metavoted so that her beliefs weren't affirmed girl got worse😭 so it's hard to try to predict how she would react to either guilty or forgiven

@jigo9380

8 ай бұрын

I doubt we’re gonna be able to change her world view through Milgram. If we vote her guilty, we’ll have a redo of last time. If we vote her innocent, we’re affirming her beliefs. I think she’ll pull a Mu and believe more in her philosophy which would make it even harder to change her world view. Milgram is the worst thing that can happen to Amane right now. It’s either her world view is destroyed or affirmed to the point it won’t change. What she needs is therapy and not Milgram. Even then, it might not be recoverable?

@_sunny__moon_

8 ай бұрын

@@jigo9380 yeah it's like no matter what we vote, there's no good outcome so long as she's being voted on in the first place. I haven't voted yet for today, but I think I might stick with guilty, not to make her suffer more, but to keep her restrained so that she doesn't harm the others because it really does just seem like she's gonna keep getting more and more unhinged from here

@jigo9380

8 ай бұрын

@@_sunny__moon_ That’s fair. But even if she is voted guilty, I feel like the Milgram community won’t let Amane be voted guilty. We don’t know the consequences for being voted guilty in trial 3. Seeing how far Milgram is letting the prisoners fight makes me think death could be a consequence. As long as Amane gets voted innocent in trial 3 she’ll think we didn’t have enough information in the last two trials and that we finally saw the “truth.” Unless we’re told the consequence of trail 3 voting, I doubt she will leave Milgram without her ideals being affirmed.

@stanadaria9141

8 ай бұрын

yall alr tried the worldview thing in trial 1 and it obviously didnt work. all you wil do is drop even more mental stress onto her and mess her up even more

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

if we forgive her she will be like Prisoner 10 in the sense of putting Es on a place above them number 10 see Es as her partner a sword an number 8 will probably see Es as a beacon of this subdivision she has made for herself someone to feel quote on quote comfortable with in her MV the flag is crying so its not the same as the members who wronged her I ripped this example right from Re:Zero

i believe that voting amane innocent may affirm her beliefs one way or another, but a lot of the previous voice dramas have mentioned what most of the comments have been saying. there is a chance that es will bring up the fact that we only forgave her circumstance and not her religion, hopefully countering that affirmation problem just by a bit. edit: after reading some other comments i think it's pretty clear that amane only dissociates(?) and views herself as the cult's teachings as a way to protect herself. so if we give her the innocent verdict for trial 2 there is a possibility that we can get her true feelings (hopefully not through violence this time) once she feels more secure, since we can kind of hear how her cult persona cracks once es told her how she was influenced by her environment.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

I have said before that getting on her good side can help know her more since being beside her in this bubble gives far more insight then just being pretty much a confused adult with no connection

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Tie the vote

you guys are worried about shidou but i think being killed by a 12 year old with safety scissors is a really funny way to go

@kaleelak6143

Ай бұрын

You feeling alright bestie??? 😰

Based on the MV I was gonna say "oh it was self defense from abuse, innocent" But she didn't speak of abuse. She referred to her crime as a punishment for breaking the rules of her religion, and she stated she'd do it again. A lot of people in the comments of this voice drama are saying that she has complete awareness of herself, and I can see why they'd think that, but I also don't think they realize the extremity of religious indoctrination and abuse there is in her story, because these are incredibly important to consider when judging her case. She's *twelve.* She's said before that she doesn't want to be treated like a child, but regardless of what she wants, that's exactly what she is. She's a child who's gone through hell. Her cult background and abuse she's suffered are incredibly important to take into consideration. She has such strong faith, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but the way it's been shown and taught to her is extreme and brutal. She's willing to kill for her faith, but I don't think she's ever once completely grasped what her "punishment" for presumably her mother had entailed. She understands what she's done, but her judgement is warped by her background. If she is voted innocent, it will only solidify her belief that she did the right thing for her faith. But if she is voted guilty again, it will trigger a mental breakdown. I honestly don't see a win-win solution here.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

I have said that she is not even really part of the Cult anymore but of her own clan she wants Es to be apart of becuse of how strong he appears an such but ya know the methods she adopted are oh no

@markothpoopoo7770

8 ай бұрын

being completely honest, her having a mental breakdown is 1000x times better than thinking that her act (and her whole religious bogus) was right. if she got voted innocent before, it would have just been haruka 2.0, where we encouraged an extremely dangerous and destructive thought process that will just keep on clouding their self-awareness.

@maydaymayday4225

Ай бұрын

​@@markothpoopoo7770So your telling that we should do the same thing as the cult and continue punishing her? People who voted guilty are acting the same as the cult who abused her. No wonder why shes ignoring everyones pleas to stop beliving. Why would she believe to voices who rejected and tortured the same way as the cult did? Her beliefs is a coping mechanism for her, her protection. Its either innocent or shes permanently screwed and her only salvation is purging aka KILLING A 12 YEAR OLD CULT VICTIM.

I was on the fence HEAVILY with this. But I think I'm gonna lean towards guilty. Because she can comprehend what exactly she's doing and also I think she'll end up forcing said ideologies MORE if we vote her forgiven. I think its a lose lose either way based on her state, but the better of two evils seems to be guilty.

@itsallinslowmotion

8 ай бұрын

you realize that she wont change right? this shit happens irl and its hard 2 get out of cult manipulation.

@rayne8681

8 ай бұрын

I completely understand that. But with the fact that she's insinuating her being above all and with the circumstances PROVIDED, I personally am voting guilty. I've faced religious trauma and strongly am siding with whatever side would cause her to not be able to attack and force people into her beliefs whilst also maintaining safety of the other prisoners.

@11th-lemon

8 ай бұрын

@@itsallinslowmotionIf she won't change that's more of a reason to vote her guilty.

@AbsolLootley

8 ай бұрын

@@itsallinslowmotion it’s pretty fair to say that she feels no remorse for what she did and she will continue to “punish” people if she gets out of milgram. voting her innocent will not help her, but what’s the lesser of the two evils?

@Mycorrhiza

8 ай бұрын

​@@AbsolLootleyvotinge her innocent *will* actually help her as no.1 rule of helping cult survivors is to not outright tell them their beliefs were wrong. You have to seem to affirm their beliefs at first. Change doesn't happen overnight.

Her song was really good and the mv is beautifully made and everything made me wanna vote her innocent but I'm kinda scared what she might do to others if she gets the chance she already said she is looking at Shidou because he violates her beliefs because he helped the injuries of two others I think, I dunno I think she just scares me personally and even scares my religious side too lol, I do feel bad though regardless. Ima pass on voting her and see what others take is on it

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Tie the vote

It just hurts to watch this, Es is so bad at handling any of this, he can't even defend himself properly against kotoko so i doubt that if something bad happens he could do anything... i would vote amane forgiven just based on how her situation was just awful but i think it's better for me to take a backseat on all these votes Be careful voters, lets just hope no one dies and that shidou stays alive in order to keep other characters alive..

@LanieMae

8 ай бұрын

He?

@riverthecrybaby9448

8 ай бұрын

its impossible for prisoners to hurt es tho

@promiseofreunion5760

8 ай бұрын

@@riverthecrybaby9448 that's what he says but, iirc, I think he sleeps after every like interrogation and then kotoko drugged/ knocked him out so she could enact her justice to all voted unforgiven

@riverthecrybaby9448

8 ай бұрын

@@promiseofreunion5760 he doesnt sleep in the same area i dont tjink

@promiseofreunion5760

8 ай бұрын

@@riverthecrybaby9448 yeah but... knowing kotokos scary amount of power, who knows

This whole ordeal is making me believe the theory that the end of this project is going to be us judging ourselves for what we've put these characters through. Like, if someone dies then are we truly suitable candidates to judge? It seems that no matter what we do here, either way puts us in a bad spot for the next round of songs. We know our cast can be hurt after all, we don't know how far the project is willing to go with it's creative decisions. Personally I can't vote on this one. Imo, in an ideal world at least, this trial would end at 50/50. But even then... Tricky.

@dp2989

8 ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking that since I first got into Milgram. I’m def voting us all unforgiven lol

@ronelm2000

8 ай бұрын

it hasn't been done before but why NOT aim for a 50/50?

@vladimirmanza5839

8 ай бұрын

@ronelm2000 True! There is the argument of course that it would be metagamey, but in this situation the alternative outcomes of not attempting the 50/50 are scarier. Imo opinion anyway

@ronelm2000

8 ай бұрын

@@vladimirmanza5839 same, either options are already pretty bad, so an attempt to do something that's never been actually done before feels like the only way out.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

well the IRL Milgram is people pressing a shock button that could kill a person but many people still clicked it by being told all the responsibility is on the staff not them

I voted Amane innocent but I’m kinda scared for Shidou rn. Looks like Kazui’s got one more person he needs to protect.

@Anakilang_ehe

8 ай бұрын

I think Shidou can protect himself

@boxtycoon3548

8 ай бұрын

@@Anakilang_ehe I don't know, I wasn't expecting her to have access to weapons like those scissors, also im more scared for Mahiru since she's in a similar position as the cat that Amane saved and later killed in the name of her doctrine

@stanadaria9141

8 ай бұрын

shidous a grown adult against a 12 yr old. i think he'll be fine, even if she does get scissors or other stuff 💀

@jigo9380

8 ай бұрын

@@Anakilang_ehe He has to sleep eventually

@origamimiii

8 ай бұрын

​@@boxtycoon3548well lets hope Mahiru ordered smth like a bodyguard since shes officially declared as innocent 💀😭

She didnt kill her parents out of revenge, she killed them for religion, she WIL kill other prisoners.

@solitaremagnet

8 ай бұрын

This is a really good point

@wa_akii6873

8 ай бұрын

but why would her religion dictate that she kill her parents?/gen

@meowmeowfelix

8 ай бұрын

​​@@wa_akii6873 her religion itself didn't dictate that, however amane was severely punished whenever she broke one of their "rules", and the lyrics in purge march suggest that she murdered the person who did the punishing (could be her parents, could be someone else) it says something like "now repent, cry, and hopelessly say you're sorry", "do you remember my repentance, my cries, and the hopeless i'm sorrys i said to you?" "if you're going to break your vow, then it's my turn to tear you apart" (paraphrasing bc i haven't double checked) lines like these have led people to believe that the person who punishes her broke a "rule" themselves, so amane saw it fit to punish them, and the punishment was murder, whether she meant to kill them or accidentally went too far. i hope this clears things up! personally i think her killing was motivated by revenge, but she justifies it to herself by saying it was for the sake of her religion.

@11th-lemon

8 ай бұрын

idk, the ending lyrics of the song make it sound like it was both revenge and a punishment, not just a punishment.

@AbsolLootley

8 ай бұрын

it’s pretty fair to say that she feels no remorse for what she did and she will continue to “punish” people if she gets out of milgram.

Amane: Maybe the other prisoners need our doctrine? Me: *Thinking about Fuuta and Mahiru* "I Got a bad feeling about this."

@meteor504

3 ай бұрын

oh boy. fuuta is NOT safe, in the timeline convos he's started using "we" to refer to himself it's so over

@joelleartastic2468

2 ай бұрын

@@meteor504 oh no, oh NOOO

Voting her guilty on this one, despite the obvious moral argument that she was raised in a hostile, fanatic environment. That moral argument should've been applied and voted her innocent since the first trial in my opinion and I did vote her innocent in the first trial but welp, not enough. As much as her reasons for her murder was justifiable and something that she shouldn't even be so guilty of in the first place, her current mindset is concerning for both herself and the prisoners around her. For both herself and the other prisoners, I find the choice of voting her guilty and not affirming her current views the lesser of two evils.

8:50 Es making up things to sound smarter and more matured to Amane who's younger than her lol.💀 Or maybe she studied some things just to get ready for their argument.😂 Either way it's funny🤣

I I know people feel pity for her because the abuse, but the fact of the matter is, she's telling herself it ISN'T because of the abuse, but because of her doctrine. She's happy she can use her doctrine as an excuse, and at this point, if allowed, she WILL go on to hurt other people. In Milgram or elsewhere. With her doctrine as the excuse, it will just be a continuing cycle of pain and abuse . For me, Her crime is understandable, but not forgivable. Especially with her current mindset. And that's okay! A crime or wrong that is not forgiven doesn't mean you've given up hope for the person in general. Just that a PARTICULAR thing needs to be remembered and if possible, atoned for. Anyways, I think I'll post this comment under the official MV too. Just so that my thought at least reaches "her".

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

Nah it's about the abuse still she is using her own blend of the cult traits to bite the group back for killing her comfort to survive until her father returns

7:21 BOY I SURE HOPE Jackalope patched that bug out of the future MILGRAM "Double" firmware update 💀

i'm at a complete loss as to whether to vote her innocent or guilty, or i suppose rather forgiven/unforgiven. as others have said, voting her innocent will only affirm her worldview and that she's right--we punished her, and now she's been punished we're giving her our blessing to carry out her punishment toward shidou. that said, the idea of voting her guilty doesn't sit right with me--i only got into milgram during fuuta/mu's second trial so i never voted on amane's first trial, and in hindsight i don't think much would have changed if we'd voted her innocent; we'd have affirmed to her that her murder was understandable and justifiable, so her worldview would've been affirmed anyway. i think she would probably be less homicidal on account of not having endured the emotional/mental stress she did, but she would still have felt what she did was right and may have perhaps tried to punish shidou for 'interfering' in fuuta and mahiru's trials anyway, because she was punished for that and we would have affirmed that her doctrine is correct. back to this trial, the idea of voting her guilty doesn't feel right with me either. it *could* lead to her having some kind of breakdown and accepting that her doctrine isn't all she's been raised to believe it is... or she could just have a breakdown, if not worse. we don't know what being voted 'guilty' in this trial will entail. i think it's also wrong just to vote her guilty for shidou's sake--he's innocent and (at least at the time of writing) it looks like kazui might barely make it as well, so there's every chance he could defend himself (whether or not he/kazui actually *want* to is another matter, mind, and if not then it spells disaster for other characters)--and we also have to remember that the original milgram experiment proved that people were willing to inflict pain upon others, just because an authority figure told them to. i don't want to affirm her worldview further, but i also don't want to harm her more than we already have. as es says, some blame can be attributed to her environment, but also in my country, the criminal age of responsibility is 10--here, amane would be responsible for her crimes. i'm very, very conflicted on how to vote for her, or if i want to vote at all.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

wait ten is the age WTF that's horrible

Why is nobody voting the prisoners for their crimes and their situations alone but voting based on the other prisoners? The point of this is not to save all the prisoners its to forgive or not forgive each prisoner's circumstances alone.

@kenshirotoki9339

8 ай бұрын

Exactly. I feel like more people are losing their sights on what Milgram is about: Forgive or not forgive their crime. We're not here to write a happy story where our favorite characters' well-being should be preserved: That depends on the team behind Milgram not us.

@evanssmtkys

8 ай бұрын

This.

@Gaharduma539

8 ай бұрын

Its called accountability. We're the ones judging these prisoners, hence the responsibility of the consequences falls on us. If people don't want the prisoners' lives to be at stake, then vote her guilty, if people would value an abused child having tantrums over three prisoner's lives, then vote innocent. What I find interesting however, I wonder why is Haruka guilty meanwhile Amane's innocent? If we're voting based on the circumstances of the prisoners alone, I wonder why Haruka, the intellectually disabled prisoner is being held accountable for his relapse with Mu? Meanwhile the one who is with proper cognitive functioning (although a little detached from reality due to abuse) like Amane's being voted innocent? When essentially, these two prisoners are parallels of each other?

@Utrilus

8 ай бұрын

Because Amane is a child she seems less of a danger to society, tho that ain't the case. Thus there seems less guilt in her being an unhinged cultist.

@pugjuice8462

8 ай бұрын

I'd say it's actually the majority voting prisoners for individual circumstances. Due to the ease of access, it's likely that most people only watch the videos and vote based on their thoughts, rather than checking what the community puts together about prisoner interactions / watching older Milgram videos about prisoner interactions. Amane's 2nd MV in particular attracted a lot of people who justify a forgiveness vote on account of her killing an abuser, not so much metavoting this time around. It may just Seem like there's much metavoting because you (and me, and others in this thread) are the theory-reading section of the audience who do come across metavoting justifications more often compared to the casual fans.

I think that the mistake was voting her "guilty" in the first season, because instead of "understanding her sins" she just became more convinced about them. now if she gets voted "guilty" or "innocent" it's not gonna chance much.

@user-vs2pr8ln7k

6 ай бұрын

Well. It'll change how much she hates us, at least.

@3lxna_

6 ай бұрын

@@user-vs2pr8ln7k that's right, she will probably become even more aggressive

Thank you for the upload! I love what you did with Amane’s art changing to reflect her attitude, by the way. I hope you’re feeling better.

I saw a rapper react to milgram and he stated that amane and es aren't different regardless of what es said, they both were brought into this world, and both just blindy did as they were told, amane was told to follow the cult, and es was told to judge the prisoners, and yet neither of them asked any question about it, while amane did go against the beliefs by helping the cat, es never rebelled against milgram and just blatantly did what they were told to do, not one bit of resistance, that did bring some good points

I just got into Milgram today and this quite a lot, thank you for the translation.

Milgram is complicated, but it's also pretty simple. On one hand, you have all these factors going into voting, like internal politics, the safety of other prisoners, even the personal likability of them . . . But that was never the question, really. It's to judge if a murder is forgivable, right? Of course, it's fine to justify a decision with how it will affect the character, but that’s literally never gone well in the past, except with Shidou, and he would have been forgiven regardless, I believe. Well, anyway - I don’t like Amane. She needs help, and Milgram isn’t the place to get it. And I worry just what might happen if she's allowed to act as she pleases. Her doctrine . . . Really, that's a good word for it, as it's less a religion and more a set of rules. "Those who follow the rules are good, and those who break them are bad." It's fine to think of it that way. Of course, somehow managing to fit murder into that . . . Well, it's something, alright. I digress. Either way: Regardless of the consequences, I can't in good faith tell a child, "you were wrong to kill your abuser. I can't forgive you for doing such a thing." I don’t like the reason it was done - but that’s just a justification, is it not? Really . . . Amane was probably desperate and killed her abuser the first chance she got, within the rules. How awful, that she'd be pushed so far. . . But, she's still accountable for it. She had no other option, but she still committed murder. My problem is that she'd do it again. *That* is certainly . . . Not something forgivable, is it?

@Someone-zn4dh

8 ай бұрын

Exactly this, its not that I "do not forgive her". Its that I am afraid she Will do it again following her doctrine (or cult) belief, which she also said she gonna follow it until the end. This mught sounds harsh...no, this is harsh. But I kind off rather she go to a 'peaceful place' than letting her walk away in what essentially gonna be hell to her and people around her

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@Someone-zn4dh she easily can mean testing people aggressively instead of killing an she wants to be some sort of friends with Es

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Vote tie

@Utrilus

8 ай бұрын

Lol. So voting innocent means she'll go on a happy slaughter filled with laughter for the rest of the game. On the side of cult recruitment. Voting guilty means she'll be tortured and maybe executed.

Amane's voice drama title is 幸福と報復と so 'Happiness and Revenge and' (Blessedness also works for the first word though)

me, new to milgram, just getting into it through amane's t2 song: oh, that looks tragic! it clearly wasn't _her_ fault, though, at least not entirely... me, after seeing her voice dramas and t1 result: oh! oh _no!_

@meteor504

3 ай бұрын

im still not sure how amane got guilty t1. like i KNOW why (to undo the brainwashing [which didn't work]) but still....

I'm so glad you came back to make this!! I actually uploaded a version too but i struggled so much w/ editing and your versions are always just so nice to look at so im so glad youre back for this !!

Amane can do no wrong🫶 “What if she kills Shidou?” Let her have some fun damn /j

@lonelytac0

8 ай бұрын

Girls will be girls, let her girlboss a little Mu and Kotoko: Not you

@airabuuu

8 ай бұрын

no we should let her kill shidou

@jigo9380

8 ай бұрын

@@lonelytac0holy shit I’m dying

@obbligatopermanentdamage

8 ай бұрын

this but genuine

@AzuraFallen

8 ай бұрын

I highly doubt killing is fun for her. She thinks she's killing out of pure intentions, but I don't think it's enjoyable or favorable. If we see her brainwashing undo I think we would see a very broken and traumatised little girl who will struggle to recover from her actions :(

thanks for your hard work

let’s gooooo was waiting for you to upload this!!!

i wonder if there would be a different effect if both shidou and amane were voted innocent? or if we managed to get amane at exactly 50%? Also technically Es saying “we” makes sense bc of jackalope, or even just the voters, no?

Mikoto and Amane are kinda similar. Only similar because they both feel like they have multiple personalities or people in them. But at the same time. Amane cares a lot about her judgement while as Mikoto careless about it. Edit: I also want to note how it's kinda like Fuuta and Kotoko, they are both similar because of their judgement towards others and their "murders". Technically speaking, Mikoto and Amane "murders" are probably based on their other personalities. Fuuta and Kotoko murders are based on their judgement Mikoto and Amane murders based on their personality.

@_sunny__moon_

8 ай бұрын

I mean imo I kinda feel like while Mikoto definitely (as of with what we know now) has DID, Amane's trauma causes not her personality (or the person she is) to switch but her emotion and how she expresses herself- not to label it, but I feel like it's more along the lines of bipolar disorder edit: and after thinking about her using the pronoun "we" a lot, I think it might be not that there are multiple people present in her body, but that she is used to the way that cults chant- like when they say things like "we are one under our leader" and shit like that (just my opinion though)

@WendyTryz

8 ай бұрын

@@_sunny__moon_ That would make sense.

@WendyTryz

8 ай бұрын

@@_sunny__moon_ A lot more sense.

@WendyTryz

8 ай бұрын

I also feel like you can make a connection with Haruka and Mahiru. Both of them wants attention and love and pretty much cause their "murders" to go down.

@kiwi_da_potato6468

8 ай бұрын

@@_sunny__moon_ bringing up the pronoun "we" stuck out a lot for me. since she is religious i would like to bring up how there are many instances in the Bible where someone possessed by a demon would refer to themselves as "we". idk if her religion uses the Bible or not but i figured it was worth mentioning (could be a parallel or something idk). also would like to say that u do make a good point with the cult thing as well and it makes a lot of sense so idk¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Ok so here me out on this theory: There’s a reason why es has no memories but everyone else does. Es isn’t actually a real person like the rest of prisoners are. While yes Es is viewed as like the spoke person for us in the project and think it runs a whole lot deeper than that. Es I think is literally a part of milgram, a simulation from the program created from the amalgamation of our thoughts and opinions on the prisoners. While there are parts that are simulated in (their childishness, their need to feel in control) as far as their opinions go and world veiws it was a complete blank slate until the comments started pouring in.

"I'm fifteen,so I'm considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You're twelve,so you're a child no matter the country." - Es MILGRAM

i went into Amane’s second trial fully expecting to vote her innocent to make up for the fact she should’ve been innocent in trial 1 but now… I’m not so sure. I still think she should be declared innocent in the end, as MILGRAM is a 3 trial system, and one I assume doesn’t work off of best 2/3, but the final verdict, which is why I think for trial 2, Amane needs to be found guilty again. Now it seems like it’s a matter of belief vs belief, and I feel as though an innocent vote for this trial would make her think we’re bowing to her cult’s teachings, when now I think more than ever we have to deny them. I don’t think it would have come to this if she were voted innocent to begin with, but now it feels like MILGRAM is saying “you made this bed, now lie in it.”

@nhile8088

8 ай бұрын

No that just make it worse.... don’t get fool by her... If we vote her innocent we can actually get more info from her, putting her guilty will only cause her mental more troublesome and she won’t be talk it out *everything she suffer was she thought of god* we can’t let her mind take over again.... Edit: I said too much...

YAY YOUR BACK I missed you

Voice Drama Contents: %1 Hints about Amane's murder %99 Es bullying Amane

I don't think she'll hurt Shidou or anyone because they're not believers, they aren't part of her religion. What Amane did was deliver punishment to someone who was an hypocrite, who preached something, tortured her for years, then acted a different way. She's ofc not right for it but she's a child and the way she sees her doctrine, voting her guilty a second time will do more damage because she will keep refugeed on her religion instead of finding a new faith through Milgram (which is, eh, something i'm not a big fan of in the series because, unlike real life, we judge through black and whites and the characters don't have lawyers/defensors that can prove their cases to be innocent or guilty.)

@cheyannegiles9772

6 ай бұрын

voting her innocent will only reaffirm her belief in the cult though.

The replay graphs have made it evident. The most iconic moments are the scissors, "I'm an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti", and "We? Who's we?".

For the rest of the prisoners I knew exactly if I forgave them or not, even Amane in the first trial (I voted forgive). For Amane now though? I have no idea what to vote. On one hand, child or not, religious or not, she killed an abuser (probably) and I think that's entirely deserved. On the other? What would forgiving Amane do to her? She's already decided not to forgive us, would it piss her off more for hypocrisy? Would she be entirely convinced she's in the right and kill more? And if she isn't forgiven would she try and harm others? Would SHE be harmed? I think I'll vote that I forgive her since personally I do but I think the outcome might be bad either way.

8:51 is so hilarious considering the fact es basically made it up to get amane to shut up, we love bickering little children

Now I'm scared for Shidou's safety

@runajain5773

7 ай бұрын

Yeh if we forgiven she will change mind she already does not sorry about but we give guilty to her it let her got pain on her

i kind of want to vote amane guilty on this one...? because she said she "comprehends everything" and that she wasn't being brainwashed which to me i see it as an "i know what i did" (which she does know what she did) but its also like... she did it because she thinks it's right, she definitely was the victim as seen in her t2 mv (**AND IN MAGIC), but i genuinely can't tell all that much. so i do not know. her's is like kazui's, really: their music videos portray them differently than the drama tracks (cat feels like kazui isn't showing any remorse but his drama track shows its a huge regret of his, amane vice versa in her own situation.) @ the bio - her second voice drama seemed to be translated as "of blessedness and punishment" according to the milgram wiki, but i'm still unsure if that's the actual translation so take it into consideration but also with a grain of salt since different people translate things differently haha ;; and i hope you feel better and get well soon !!

@ac-gf4zt

8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for reporting on the VD name, I changed it! Totally forgot they always have them on the wiki.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

She could be rationalizing her fathers world enough to see him wanting him to notice her but to do that she has to fight everything including the group itself since she has said her father has always been busy and no one can help her or can she outright help others an children are always begging to be valued so if we vote Innocent she will latch on to Es like a new brother maybe

@bisuopp8049

8 ай бұрын

She absolutely was brainwashed though? Shes aware of what she did but I highly doubt she “comprehends everything” like she states. Amane was actually called out for her hypocrisy of acting like she was an adult/responsible by es in both trial voice dramas

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@bisuopp8049 something Es also does with how he pulls legal age documents out of his ass to shut her up

@bpdluka

8 ай бұрын

i am very aware that she was brainwashed! i might've worded a part of it wrong, as i said she was a victim as shown in her t2 mv but it's actually shown in both, so that was definitely my fault !! but you do make a good point. even if she does act mentally mature, some part of her isn't, and that was also shown in how she lashed out at es in this vd. she is at least aware of her murder, but i feel like i'm missing something big because i haven't actually realized who she killed yet...

no because es is LITERALLY just retraumatising her here, those are things abusers say to their victims, of course amane is angry

@riverthecrybaby9448

8 ай бұрын

?

@Starlight-Tale

8 ай бұрын

It likely isn’t intentional, Es is a product of their environment too, but you’re right that a lot of the things they said and did to her could be triggering to her trauma.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

@@Starlight-Tale it actually helps to her noticing how similar they are can with a innocent vote get them to be closer together like how Kotoko loves Es right now for not pushing her away after she found out he had childhood issues too

ILY THANK YOU

I will never stop making fun of Es for that line. Never.

I don't understand people who vote Amane guilty because "she needs to understand that her worldview is wrong ". Even if she doesn't understand that what she did was wrong, she's a child. She was told that it's right to behave like that since she was a kid, when she did something "wrong" she was punished, so she's doing what those people considered "right", it's not her fault, it's the fault of people who taught her to behave like that. Of course now, after living her whole life like that she won't realise it's wrong, no matter what's the verdict. I know it's bad that she doesn't understand that what she did was wrong, but again, that's not her fault and we can do nothing about it. Voting Amane guilty won't help her, it will only hurt her more. Even Es said that she's not here to teach her how to behave, leave the poor child alone

this is system on system violence

i hate this so much. like there is no good choice here. if we vote her innocent she will think we are hypocrites and become more confident in her beliefs, which also puts shidou in danger. if we vote her guilty she maygo completely insane and we would have no chance to help her. i honestly dont think we wil win this either way.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

nah less hypocrites an more like finally someone who I can be with safely together we can get what we need but the issue is that her tools are bad ones but its all she has that is strong enough to help

@cheyannegiles9772

6 ай бұрын

@@senritsujumpsuit6021 if she's voted innocent we'll be saying the cult's beliefs are correct

BY THE EMPEROR! Free our little sister! May the eternal purge march of the heretic carry on!

I’ll judge Amane based on what I think she’ll do in the future and her ideals. She’ll most likely kill the other prisoners if she’s left alone, and her ideals are the same as the cult. As unfortunate her circumstances are, she is a threat to the average citizen, so I’ll deem her guilty.

It doesn’t matter if she’s guilty or innocent, she’ll get worse either way If she gets innocent, she won’t have a 'magical barrier' holding her back from attacking(and possibly killing) the other prisoners. If we vote her guilty, she won’t be able to attack the others, yet she’d most likely get both physically and mentally worse.. So conclusion: Innocent: The whole prison goes bye bye Guilty: she develops that illness that makes you think you’re dead

I wonder what happen if the person guilty…a dangaronpa style execution?

I'm fifteen, so I'm considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You're twelve, so you're a child no matter the country.

It seems we have reached a rather interesting conclusion. Voting Amane innocent will only make her believe in her beliefs more, but a guilty verdict can lead to a mental breakdown. I think this is more so who we vote innocent and guilty around her instead of just only focusing on her. But then again I haven’t been paying attention to a lot of things so I’ll probably need to catch up.

@Laupsonic

8 ай бұрын

The original goal of the real experience of milgram is to "Guide" the action of the people to inflict punishment, here i thinks it's the same. By using these character, the project milgram tend to lead us to make certain choice

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Guysss tie the vote

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Guysss tie the vote also a mental breakdown isnt baf

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Bad

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Tie the vote

Man that was one heck of an uno reverse by amane

es dont hit the prisoners challenge (impossible)

I assume Amane's father or whoever she killed that was abusing her violated their religion in some way, leading to her becoming enraged by the hypocrisy. This is pretty common, where people will use religons to control people while not following the doctrine, which in the case of Amane's parents, back-fired horribly. Basically what Im saying is that she did nothing wrong and I will continue to vote that way.

I think that she devoted herself to the doctrine that had enslaved her, because that very same doctrine is also what allowed her to kill her abusers. At a point where she had nothing, it was there for her. It must have felt like a miracle for her, that thanks to these rules, her killing her abusers was signed off on, by God themselves. I think all they wanted was validation. But no one would give it to her, except the doctrine itself. As a victim of abuse and indoctrination myself, I feel more deeply for Amane than any of the other prisoners. To have this kind of thing happen, and have everybody just stand by and watch as you are knowingly destroyed. Then when you finally have enough, and snap on the ones hurting you SUDDENLY everyone is 'so concerned for you, you can't do that." It's maddening. I hope we can help Amane find her way out. I will never shame her for what she did to them.

@rationeextrema3776

8 ай бұрын

My interpretation is that she uses her doctrine to quell the guilt she feels. I don't believe she feels guilty about killing her abusers, but guilty about feeling joy for taking control and killing her abusers. Her joy isn't from following the principles her religion set out for her, but a selfish act of revenge (I'm not saying this is bad). By claiming herself as the embodiment of those principles, she can justify her actions. You can say see that kind of crack when people begin laying out what she's done. It's particularly apparent that she doesn't like being judged for it, because it makes her feel powerless and aware of how it was *her* who desired their deaths, not God. What it ultimately comes down to is getting her to recognize and accept that she was a desperate child trying to escape a bad situation. From there, Amane needs to be reassured that it's normal and okay to feel happy about getting out of such a terrible environment. They were young and didn't have many options. What could she do when her cult isolated her from society and assaulted her for violating any rule? No support system, no one she could go to for help because the mere association with her cult made her appear naive ("You're being deceived." "There's still hope for you.") or insane ("You're crazy."). Her religion gives her control where she had none before. As you pointed out, it must feel terrible to be invalidated for doing something for once. It pushes her deeper into her harmful beliefs. Anyway, I've rambled long enough. The long and short of it is that I agree with your view of her.

I feel like meta voting isn’t going the be useful at this point. No matter what you do in this stage of milgram there are going to be negative. They’re raising the stakes really high and it’s very likely that deaths are going to happen. No matter what we vote they’re going to change the story appropriately. Vote for each character individually and see whether you forgive them or not, meta voting has only caused more problems in the past.

@loumxii.o3524

8 ай бұрын

I personally forgive her in spite of the things that may happen if she’s voted innocent, voting her guilty will just mess her up even more then she already is. Especially considering we don’t know what will happen to guilty prisoners in trial 3.

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Tie the vote

I’m fifteen, so I’m considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You’re twelve, so you’re a child no matter the country.

i think it’s interesting that Es brings up orekoto being able to hurt them to say that Amane’s just “playing pretend.” Cause if Amane’s murder was her carrying out her doctrine, than the “we” Amane, who’s acting as sort of a personification of her religion, would be the intended prisoner, no ? So it makes sense to me that she wouldn’t be able to hurt Es at that moment, but I guess unless “i” Amane also tries to attack Es then we can’t know anything for sure.

We were not given any mandatory criteria for the votes, quite the opposite, so everyone should feel free in that regard. That said, Amane can be complicated when it comes to picking what criteria to use, atleast she is for me. Personaly I just try to ask myself "would it be bad to release this person back into the world as they are now?". For now I insist on guilty since she still believes she can judge others based on her religion, and then kill them if she judges it correct, that much is enough to not forgive her, we can be sure that she would keep killing. I do not particulary care for forgiving her just because she is a kid, I agree to respecting her more than just brushing everything of in account of her age, I'd rather see her as any 18 yo cultist killer. With all that said, I'm strongly unconvinced that we know all about her circunstances, regarding the killing itself I mean, so I'd not give her two more gulties if given the chance, there's something we don't know yet.

I feel like maybe if she was voted innocent maybe she wouldn't be so deep down in this rabbit hole of the beliefs she was taught. As the pinned comments shows, there are people who survive from cults. For Amane though feel like the guilty verdict pushed her deeper into the beliefs of no return.

thanksssss so much!

Now that both Amane and Shidou were deemed innocent I wonder if Amane won't kill Shidou, if she starts running at him with scissors I doubt that he'd defend himself (maybe he would try to help her in some way idk)

I don't understand why it's argued Amane isn't a system because of the fact she can't hit Es, when Amane never tried to hit Es in the first audio drama. If MILGRAM identifies prisoners based on who did the kill itself, it's entirely possible 'Peppy, lawyer Amane' and 'Faith Itself Amane' are considered different prisoners, and that 'Faith Itself Amane' is considered responsible by the prison.

This voice drama is actually very important because those that have not seen it might be voting differently than those who have and those who have not don't see the upcoming danger an innocent vote could bring. People will notice that she is outright targeting Shidou for violating her cult's doctrine but what people may not have noticed as much is her saying that she is going to try and convert the guilty to her cult. Remember who is guilty right now? The boy with the childish and attention seeking mental state Haruka and the emotional manipulative girl with a thirst for power Muu. I could easily see both joining Amane's cult if Amane is allowed to visit them freely.

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

I bet Muu would just lie to Amane an Haruka would just go along with it because he is good boy and Es would be the right hand man to her an depending on later votes also Kotoko's an the idea of him being in two tiny bubble worlds is insane

Amane’s case is basically trying to comprehend Serial Experiments Lain.

The point of Milgram isn't to judge an inmate based off how other unrelated people might react to or be affected by any verdict they receive. The point of Milgram isn't to play favourites - or at least, it shouldn't be. The point of Milgram is to take what one knows about a person's crime as it stands, and answer a question: do you forgive them, or do you not? Is murder wrong? Of course it is. Goes without saying. Yet -- Amane is a minor. An easily manipulated, brainwashed 12-year-old, raised in a den of fanaticism and violence, made to accept contradictory and vague rules by her parents and guardians and seemingly routinely punished for minor infractions by the cult's leaders, assuming they're not just visual representations of the kinds of punishment she received at home. Everyone has a breaking point. Anyone with a functioning moral compass should believe that physically and mentally abusing children is absolutely monstrous and that anyone who does it deserves retribution. At risk of courting controversy, I believe that there are instances where retributive justice is justifiable -- this is one of them. Is what Amane did acceptable within the bounds of the law? Absolutely not. Should she be voted guilty to 'protect' others, when surely the better option - as someone who makes it his business not to meta-vote - would be to vote innocent, thereby preventing her from descending into full-blown mania and dedicating herself to finding a way to make good on her threats? I don't think so. Is what she did morally forgiveable? I honestly think it is. Voting characters guilty (or innocent!) to shield others to try and impart some lesson hasn't worked. It didn't work with Amane, it didn't work with Yuno, it arguably made things even worse with Amane and with other characters like Mu. And strangely, Amane seems to be the recipient of this behavior more than most. What if, when the third trial comes round, the punishment for three straight guilty votes is revealed to be death? Will people still feel compelled to try and insist that she needs to know what she did was wrong because the cult was bad, or try to protect whoever it is that she's threatened the second time round? Would be a funny thing to see, justifying the death of a child by way of playing the meta game...

@marshfur2234

8 ай бұрын

Milgrams allows for any reason to vote, favoritism, sexual likings and etc even voting for the sake of others getting affected by it, Jackalope talks about how Voting innocent could harm one person While voting guilty could lead into other way around I mean just watch second trial notice, Jackalope said it, = hes already hinting about how one judgement could harm a prisoner So it's proven. Also (it's forgiven and not forgiven) English translation is diff

@marshfur2234

8 ай бұрын

So, the point of milgrams, Is to judge a prisoner based on own basis,reasons, preference and anything There's no correct way to vote (Also I believed, the new basis jackalope talking about is prolly how a "judgement" would affect the other prisoners or oneself, it's likee basing on the consequences of a "judgement") And for me, my basis is based on how prisoners aware/regrets their action, and they may not doing it again, Or If a prisoner believed their actions are right = guilty If not and they regrets it = innocent (I'm also basing on the consequences of the vote) So every person's have diff basis, like yours who only based on their crimes, (I do understand why people voting amane innocent an abused child, a minor, a 12 years old, a young girl) ( but would an "innocent" vote really help Amane especially there are proven risks? And an innocent vote would just reaffirm their beliefs? ) (Or is it best to vote guilty to prevent consequences? but it may worsen amane condition?) Well it's up to you, For me saving amane is already too late, but every person has their own perspective and a theory doesn't mean it proven. (Amane hating/attacking shidou is proven though, especially jackalope hinted about if we should stop her or not, including what jackalope said "voting innocent could harm the others")

Thank You for the Food!

It makes me laugh how people on various social medias (especially tiktok) says that voting her guilty wasn't the good choice Nuh uh, they didnt get whats MILGRAM project There is NO good choices, just repercussions. And i feel like voting her guilty (t1) was more right, to make her see that she's acting wrong Voting her innocent would amplify her behavior / her beliefs Just my point of view ofc

@bisuopp8049

8 ай бұрын

Though it obviously didn’t work, did it? It just triggered a mental break down and double down of her beleifs. Personally I think inno>guilty>inno would have been the best for her.

@W4s4bi1l

8 ай бұрын

@@bisuopp8049 I think if we voted her inno in the first trial she would have turned like Haruka, believing what she did was right

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

it was a good choice not saying yeah your right at the start is good because now if we go innocent she will warm up to Es possibly an we learn more about why she is building this custom WE empire persona @@bisuopp8049

@bisuopp8049

8 ай бұрын

If that were the case, an inno>guilty>inno vote would be best. I think haruka has been handled much better than amane by the fandoms votes. Id rather her fall deeper peacefully then fall deeper while losing it

@starpeep5769

8 ай бұрын

Guys tie the vote

No. I'm already 15, so I'm considered an adult in Puerto Rico and Haiti. You're 12, so you're a child no matter the country.

I think it would have been cool not to forgive Amane, since that way we could have talked to Cthulhu in person during the third trial.

I saw the description and the title of the drama track is translated as ‘Of Blessedness and Punishment’, just a small thing, it’s pretty good as is though, but there is an extra ‘and’ (not being rude, just trying to help out)

@ac-gf4zt

8 ай бұрын

Thank you, I have received a few different answers and kept changing it but this is the one I’ve heard the most so I’ll keep it on that.

@celery_waffles

8 ай бұрын

Understood, I had just noticed that 'Of Blessedness and Punishment' was the title shown on Apple Music so I figured it was useful! Have a nice day!@@ac-gf4zt

The confirmation that she can't be in an altered state of mind because Milgram would let her hurt Es is a good point, but then we come back to the same question we asked the last time this came up: did Milgram arrest her, or her "altered mental state" if it exists. Maybe she can't attack now BECAUSE she isn't Amane right now. Maybe Amane is gone. Or maybe we'll never know if Amane can hurt the warden because SHE wouldn't attack the warden to test it.

where tf did es get the information that being 15 is considered an adult in puerto rico and haiti

@senritsujumpsuit6021

8 ай бұрын

nowhere he just did not like being teased by a smaller kid