Great biblical explanation. Thanks!

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What the name of the app/Bible with Greek?

@The_Unprofitable_Servant

Жыл бұрын

Logos I think

Mike did a vid on Steven Anderson today. He did well! U are in it, kinda haha.

Why do we make this so complicated? Is it impossible that God could both save specific individuals for to show His power(like Paul) but also be merciful enough to allow anyone else to seek Him? 🤯

@williammadgwick9757

4 жыл бұрын

Whether or not it is possible is not the problem, rather what the bible reveals regarding salvation.

@willbrown6298

4 жыл бұрын

The problem is that mankind, of his own will, chooses not to seek God. The mercy of God is not just salvation, but the changing of our hearts.

@objectivereality1392

3 жыл бұрын

@@willbrown6298 "The problem is that mankind, of his own will, chooses not to seek God." It's even more severe than that! Now only does man choose not to seek God... Man is literally incapable of seeking God without the gift of faith through grace.

@amichiganblackman3200

3 жыл бұрын

It's not complicated when you just go by what the scriptures say. It only complicated by a man-centered theology.

@ManlyServant

3 жыл бұрын

arminianism is WRONG

Pastor white 👍

epic

Yus

two gospels, Paul preached to the Gentiles the Grace gospel, Other Apostles preached repentance and remissions of sin to the Jews, Back then the only people that knew God was the jews, they knew they had to repent, now the gentiles that did not know God,heard the word and believed and Gods grace gave them the Spirit then the Spirit convict the gentiles and they repent. think back then somebody preach the gospel to a gentile and told them to repent he would say WHY? he dont know , thats why Paul preaches the cross and resurrection and ask do you believe they say yes and the Spirit comes on them , its in Acts and Peter and Paul had problems because of it , Peter finally accepted in 2 Peter 3:15-16 Thats why people today argue about it, Pauls gospel is for gentiles saved by grace not of works, Jews are different not sure about them on works.this is what divides us .Paul talks about it called it a mystery because Jesus gave him revelation, in Acts is where Jesus gave it to the gentiles. Peter did the first gentile and he was amazed they got the Holy Spirit ,then he had Paul do it with the gospel of grace.

Ephesians 1:1; Who is the “us” in vs 3 and following? ‘The faithful saints in Christ Jesus’ of course. v12 reiterates that again “we who had already put our hope in Christ” were the ones predestined. v13 finishes it “In him you also were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed.” So we were sealed with the Holy Spirit, predestined by God and given an inheritance WHEN we believed NOT before.

@carolberubee

5 жыл бұрын

v. 13 in the context of the letter (being written to Gentiles, affirming Gentile inclusion in the promise of eternal life) -- "In Whom you [Gentiles] also, having heard the word of the truth...in Whom, having also believed [just as we Jews], you were sealed with the Holy Spirit..." www.tonyabetz.org/MSM/Product/ephesians-1-election-class-or-position.html

@user-zf5mw3ok1f

5 жыл бұрын

Carol Berubee I respectfully disagree with your premise as outlined in your essay and by extension the conclusions drawn from it as well. This is not an anti-Calvinist position as my pastor is a Calvinist, but he and I show grace with one another where our soteriology differs.

@objectivereality1392

3 жыл бұрын

A Calvinist wouldn't disagree with anything you just proposed. As long as we acknowledge that A.) The believer's faith is 100% a gift of God and is the SOLE CAUSE of the acceptance of Christ by the believer, and B.) God elected this person "before the foundation of the world" had foreknowledge that this person would later be sealed with the holy spirit.

@stevehardwick1578

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. From the foundation of the world doesn't mean since you were saved, it means before you were even born.

@tomtemple69

6 ай бұрын

all who are predestined will believe....

White asked winger to tell how the trinity fit into salvation. And Mike did make a video in response. Is this a response to that video?

@Rolan18111

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. I think it's in response to this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/dnV_27OrcbKZoNY.html

Not so great Bible exposition - all generally means all, especially if no modifiers, and it makes sense too - without the Calvinist strait jacket and blinkers. God does not say what He does not mean - when will you realise that, James? His promises are not covered with small print. All included is all throughout the Bible. God does not want the wicked to die. He bore the sins of the whole world. God so loved the world ... the Saviour of the world, especially of those who believe. Doctrine is based on Bible, you do not take the Bible and squash it into a man made doctrine, made by the "Pope" of Geneva. We need to follow our Saviour, and His Word, above all, and check all the teaching we get to see it fits in with all the Bible. Not easy, so we need His help.

@matthewdyer2926

2 ай бұрын

Fool.

Mike didn't miss anything. I watched both videos and his explanation was precise and on point.

@bobbyrice2858

Жыл бұрын

Its ok for him to be wrong.

@matthewdyer2926

2 ай бұрын

No, it wasn't.

So are you saying we don't have a choice in the matter?

@observingcat9049

Жыл бұрын

yea

@The_Unprofitable_Servant

Жыл бұрын

Yes and know. There are primary and secondary causes or wills. God's is primary and ours follows which is secondary.

@istvanjegels3024

5 ай бұрын

my thinking too. If those saved are selected God the Father because we are all dead in sin, are those not selected going to hell merely because they were not ? Even though they have no capacity to choose otherwise? I know that God is sovereign and we are His creature, but it does not sound at all fair. Please enlighten me.

@philipd8868

4 ай бұрын

That is Calvinism generally is about. God chooses, we do not. But humans are not robots, and real love requires free will.

Ok, so around 8:40 in the video, Dr. White talks about how if all sin is put on Christ (i.e. Universalism), then people can't be punished for that sin. Fair enough. But I don't think that's what's in view here. I think Dr. White presents a false dichotomy, it's either atonement only for the sins of Christians, or for all sins ever committed. He presents sin as these concrete units of moral failure that God has bundled up and placed upon Christ at a single point in history (regardless of when these moral failures happened chronologically). I think this is more an outgrowth of Calvinist philosophy, than something plainly stated in Scripture (again, fair enough). Using this mindset, Dr. White implies that if world does not specifically mean Christians that the passage turns into universalism. I would differ with Dr. White here by saying that within a free will/nature approach, God can add any sin committed to Christ on the cross from whatever point in time it is confessed. I would also contend that in 2 cor 5:18-19 Paul makes the specific case of Christians being reconciled to God, then generalizes the particular by saying God was reconciling the world to himself and made Christians the messengers. I think that the generalization from Christians to world shows what Paul is actually saying. That God no longer withholds forgiveness from people, and that Christians must tell everyone that they can be reconciled. There is a distinction between what Christ did on the cross and an individual's reconciliation with God - one is a means to relationship, the other is a restored relationship. One is purely an act of God which no one and nothing could have stopped, the other is an action taken on the basis of God's prior action (regardless of whether or not this second action is caused by God or not). Therefore, when someone hears the message of reconciliation, they can freely respond to it without requiring that Christ paid for every concrete sin ever committed (past, present and future). As a result the charge of universalism is invalid because not all sins committed by all people are required to be forgiven, but only those that are brought to God by those who come to him (and which God chooses to forgive). As for the comments about man thinking he's in the position of power because he has any role to play in accepting salvation, I'll chalk them up to differences in worldview. If a rich man sees a starving man and decides to feed him, the rich man buys food and gives it to the starving man. The starving man could say to himself that the rich man shouldn't be praised for what he's done because he (the poor man) hasn't eaten the food. Is the rich man unable to force the poor man to eat the food? No, he could hire people to subdue the man and force feed him, if that's truly what he wanted to do. But out of compassion he gave someone who lacked his basic needs what that person needed to live. That is praiseworthy in and of itself, regardless of what the poor man chooses to do with it. Someone with Dr. White's worldview would probably claim that the story demonstrates a "synergistic" relationship, but it doesn't. It's not cooperation in salvation being demonstrated, it's complete dependence upon the kindness of God. The fact that you are the object of God's compassion does not make you the author of your salvation, but the recipient. Hebrews 12:22-26 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel. 25 See that you do not refuse him who is speaking. For if they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape if we reject him who warns from heaven.

@craigjoyner9857

3 жыл бұрын

James white, like most Calvinists, does not understand the atonement. I did a whole video about it. It’s only 25 minutes long. Essentially, there is a corporal and an individual aspect to the atonement. Jesus accomplished work of bearing the wrath, reserved for sin, from the father, while having no sin, reconciled mankind back to the father. Full stop 🛑. Everything above, this far, is strictly between the father and the son. Man has not been involved yet and mans sins have not been involved yet. This is all of Christ’s work and it is fully accomplished, such that the fathers just wrath has been satisfied. Now, we must choose to submit to Christ in faith, and once we have put Christ on, and we remain steady and grounded in the faith, the father will see us at the end of this life, and see the one who already bore the wrath (if we have submitted to Jesus Christ and our Christ on), or see us with our sins still around our neck and we get punished for it. Video can be found here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iGd_kqqvYtiYXdY.html I have a short 5-6 minute analogy at the end of the video to elaborate my perspective. Bible verses as follows: 2 Corinthians 5:18-21 KJV [18] And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; [19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. [20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. [21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Colossians 1:20-23 KJV [20] And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. [21] And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [22] In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [23] If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

@josephmyers9843

3 жыл бұрын

No Protestant understands, or believes, the Atonement!

@willbrown6298

3 жыл бұрын

That brings up the question. Did God die for the elect because of something they did without Him or as a result of Him? The autonomous will approach says that yes. God just made salvation possible, but it's because you would believe without a change in you that He decided to die for you. Almost like looking down the corridors of time sort of deal. God is just responding to you and worked retroactively from that.

@UnlimitedMercy

3 жыл бұрын

@Rolan Your assumption is that man is even capable of responding positively to God. The “poor starving man” in your analogy is inaccurate. More accurately it would be the rich man comes across a man who has just starved to death, breathes life into him and offers him bread. Before we are regenerated, we are dead in our sins, in the flesh we cannot submit to God. Romans 8:5-8 (NASB): 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God. Ephesians 2:1-5 (NASB): 1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)

@UnlimitedMercy

3 жыл бұрын

@@craigjoyner9857 You assume as Rolan does that man in the flesh is able to respond positively to God. Jesus himself tells us that we are slaves of sin (John 8), unable to come to Him unless the father draws (John 6), and Paul clearly tells us that those who are in the flesh cannot please God (Romans 8). Additionally, your position keeps Christ on the cross continually paying for each new sin that is brought before Him. It fundamentally changes the price He pays, therefore He couldn’t have paid the price in full for all those that would draw near to Him. He could not have said, “It is finished.” The cross was a once for all time sacrifice and now He lives evermore to make intercession before the father on behalf of those for whom He died. (Romans 6&8, Hebrews 7)

Mike Winger addresses you as his brother who he loves while you address him as “this pastor”. Says a lot 🤷🏻‍♀️

@PaDutchRunner

4 жыл бұрын

Well, Winger’s exegesis is extremely disappointing. How else should this be expressed?

@libertyresearch-iu4fy

4 жыл бұрын

@@PaDutchRunner You don't know?

@simonmorris7896

3 жыл бұрын

@@PaDutchRunner so if his exegesis is off on this, he is 'this pastor',,,,, aid with passive aggresive scornm whereas mike holds the common ground and sees him as a brother because whatever way Christ saves us. Who is bearing more fruit here of love, grace and unity?

@BiblicalStudiesandReviews

3 жыл бұрын

John Calvin was instrumental in making sure one of his opponents was burned at the stake. I would say his followers have improved a bit 😂. In seriousness, sometimes Dr. White’s tone is off putting, but I think he is passionate about his beliefs and probably doesn’t realize how sharp his tone is sometimes. I catch myself doing the same thing.

@lifeonleo1074

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly I unsubscribed, his attitude is so condenseding, he scorns fellow Christians who hold different theological positions.

MIKE could argue for a month solid and still wouldn't understand .......let it go ........

@willbrown6298

3 жыл бұрын

It's been over a year, almost 2, I think. Mike never gave his second rebuttal.

@danielomitted1867

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe. Leighton certainly not but this isnt exactly for them. Its educational for those watching. Helps make us make more informed decisions. For which im actually thankful for all of them.

Honestly the video is great but the thumbnail and title are just downright petty.

Mike Winger I'm SMH!

One has to marvel at Dr. White's schtick in how he plays rope-a-dope on other Protestants when discussing the interpretation of scripture. 1. Begin with sola scriptura as the basis for dialogue. 2. Then conform the scriptures entirely to Calvinism's five point TULIP so that no other point of interpretation can be allowed. 3. When the other person offers an alternative interpretation of scripture, question their intelligence as to how they are so blind that they cannot see that Calvinism is exactly what the scripture is teaching, that they are in fact one and the same thing. Summary: Rope them in with sola scriptura and then pummel them with dogmatic Calvinism. Behind the facade of theological dialogue, it's a great game that Dr. White has been playing for many years with fellow Protestants, and he really seems to enjoy it as it provides him a sense of superiority over others which perhaps he craves. Did he grow up in an environment where he was belittled? Whatever the case, the spirit of John Calvin rests upon Dr. James White.

@douglasmcnay644

3 жыл бұрын

Truth just happens to look a lot like what Calvin wrote in his institutes and other works. Just saying.

@annakimborahpa

3 жыл бұрын

@@douglasmcnay644 OK, Doug, if Calvin is the truth then that means you would agree with the following he wrote in his Institutes:, Book 4, Chapter 18, n.1: (1) The Pope is the "Roman Antichrist" and (2) the Mass, center of Catholic worship, "offers the greatest insult to Christ." If you affirm these teachings of John Calvin, can you please inform me exactly when did the Pope, the Catholic Bishop of Rome, become the Roman Antichrist? If possible, please list a date and bishop's name. Many thanks in advance for your answer.

@fmorraz

3 жыл бұрын

@@annakimborahpa John states that every spirit that opposses Christ, is anti-Christ. And in sight of what Rome did, that is just exactly an anti-christ.

@annakimborahpa

3 жыл бұрын

@@fmorraz 1) Repeating the question I made to Douglas McNay: "Can you please inform me exactly when did the Pope, the Catholic Bishop of Rome, become the Roman Antichrist? If possible, please list a date and bishop's name." 2) Chapter 26, Article 4 of the 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith indicates that there is a succession of Antichrist Roman Catholic popes leading to the second coming of Jesus Christ where he will be vanquished. founders.org/library/1689-confession/chapter-26-the-church/ 3) To assist you, linked is a list of popes from a non-Catholic source, the Encyclopedia Britannica: www.britannica.com/topic/papacy/List-of-popes-and-antipopes 4) I'm sorry that Alberto Rivera, founder of the Antichrist Information Center and featured in six tracts of Jack Chick, died in 1997 thus ending his ministry, and so he is not able to help you in locating exactly when in history and which Pope, the Catholic Bishop of Rome, originally became the Antichrist. I'm pretty sure that you don't think it was the apostle Peter, first bishop of Rome and author of two New Testament epistles.

@fmorraz

3 жыл бұрын

@@annakimborahpa you started from a false assumption. Every Pope in Rome is an Antichrist by the fact of opposing Christ and His work. 1689 Baptist confession doesn’t state nowhere that rome papal succession.

No one is going to get to heaven and be like “I was right!!” If that’s what you think you are utterly prideful. Too many Calvinist walk around puffed up but lack love. That’s a huge problem.

@PaDutchRunner

4 жыл бұрын

Being "right" is completely beside the point. Catching others who profess to be Christ followers manipulating the text to please their fleshly preferences is extremely disturbing. This is what Dr. White is attempting to express.

@stevehardwick1578

2 жыл бұрын

I would see it differently. Calvinists acknowledge that we are dead in trespasses and sin and unable to respond to the gospel unless God plants the seed and intervenes. Arminians believe they're only wounded in sin and plenty good enough on their own to understand and accept the gospel and Christ. They see a lesser God who's incapable of imposing his will and moulding clay for his purpose. Which view is prideful again?

@stevehardwick1578

2 жыл бұрын

Just the opposite, many Arminians declare Calvinism to be the "doctrine of demons," etc. because it adheres to scripture without feelings coming into play. I've never seen a Calvinist say something that evil about Arminianism.

@samsdad110

Жыл бұрын

Calvinism actually humbles a true believer as I know you don’t understand it by your comments because it would never make anyone arrogant. Who is really converted, that is.

@rayortiz6189

Жыл бұрын

Typical emotional outburst from one who has not actually studied the topic. Calvinists don’t walk around puffed up, prideful, and lacking love. Calvinists are basically the messengers being shot by the arminians for pointing out what scripture actually says and challenging your traditions. Its the arminians who are quite prideful in their ignorance and lacking love to those trying to teach them

Just read the Bible, no need to put “extra” beliefs on top of it

Please stop doing this. You are just confusing the non theology people. The debating on both ends is exhausting and it plunges people like me who have a hard time understanding a lot of even basic theology, into more discombobulation.

@OC3707

Жыл бұрын

Don't get discouraged. This is kind of high level stuff at certain points. You won't grasp it all at once, but it is very important. Keep reading the bible and let it speak. Both Winger and White are great people to learn from. Personally, I disagree with Winger on this point but otherwise recommend him.

@philipd8868

4 ай бұрын

Then you do not have to listen to it. The videos by Mike were helpful to any who might be struggling with the darkness of Calvinism

But you believe it was God who predestined Mike to miss the point. So why are you complaining about it????

@PaDutchRunner

4 жыл бұрын

You are making a great point. It’s the point that people like you completely misunderstand how God’s sovereignty and our choices worth themselves out in reality. It is a mystery.

@BiblicalStudiesandReviews

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@jonathanhauhnar8434

3 жыл бұрын

But it is also God who predestined James White make this video so why are you complaining?

@danielomitted1867

3 жыл бұрын

Because we're not robots? We still make choices and change our minds and God ordains the ends and the means.

@philipd8868

4 ай бұрын

Good point, none of it matters, God will override it all - not.

I can’t stand to see this divisiveness in the body of Christ. You need to repent James. It’s one thing to correct a brother in love, but your attitude towards this brother in Christ is shameful.

@j.d.auwerda4795

3 жыл бұрын

What attitude?

@michaelsanders7484

3 жыл бұрын

@@j.d.auwerda4795 his attitude in correcting him is condescending. Even if he’s right, its the way in which he corrects him. It’s prideful.

@willbrown6298

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelsanders7484 That sounds more like an insinuation.

@abckids3476

3 жыл бұрын

As I urged you when I was leaving for Macedonia, stay on in Ephesus to instruct certain people not to spread false teachings, nor to occupy themselves with myths and interminable genealogies. Such things promote useless speculations rather than God's redemptive plan that operates by faith. But the aim of our instruction is love that comes from a pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith. Some have strayed from these and turned away to empty discussion. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or the things they insist on so confidently. realizing that law is not intended for a righteous person, but for lawless and rebellious people, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, sexually immoral people, practicing homosexuals, kidnappers, liars, perjurers - in fact, for any who live contrary to sound teaching. This accords with the glorious gospel of the blessed God that was entrusted to me. To do this you must hold firmly to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck in regard to the faith. Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme. 1 Timothy 1:3-7, 9-11, 19-20

@tomtemple69

6 ай бұрын

you would have called Paul divisive....

Mr. White, what's the point of confession and repentance if God is all knowing??? Why do we/you pray when God already knows what you need even before you ask??? Your theology has so many holes, it doesn't hold water. Simple logic, if GOD put a chip in my head, so that i can be able to confess my sins, because without the chip i cannot be able to , then He will forgive me, doesn't that suggest something??? That God is just fooling Himself??? What kind of sanctification and justification is that???😂😃🤣

Winger is right James is wrong

@rsm1161

3 жыл бұрын

How 🤔

@Tigerex966

3 жыл бұрын

@@rsm1161 you have to check out winger video, it explains everything.

@philipd8868

4 ай бұрын

The Bible is right, and Mike is listening to the Bible more clearly and humbly.