Thanks for the awesome video! MSFS caching from A-Z. Especially appreciated your wrap up section, didn't realize turning caching off could actually improve gameplay, counter intuitive for sure.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for the kind words!

You just don't leave a single detail uncovered. Thank you so much.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

I cannot possibly think of any better tutorial. Your voice sounds like an Air Force Instructor from Jane's USAF PC Game from the late 90s. This is a compliment as it's very clear and pleasant sounding

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Pedro! I loved those Jane's sims from the 90s. Great stuff!

Ahhh. That clears that up thanks. Great video and keep ‘em comin’. Much appreciated.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Well done, thanks. The whole subject of msfs caching is finally coming into focus.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Karl!

Best oriented explanation. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you!

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

As someone who is a long haul truck driver, with low mobile hotspot data to use and sometimes no internet at all, this function is sweet! Great video

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Darren!

As usual another great informative video. learnt a lot. Enjoy seeing them.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

GREAT video. Was getting tired about arguing with all of the "Cache/FPS" idiocracy out there...

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason!

This was a very informative and useful video at the time it was posted. Would hope that you take a look at it after Tomorrow’s Update and then update this video as it is quite useful to those who delve into the performance perimeters! Thank You!

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Will do!

Thank you! You explained exactly what I was looking for. I live rual with a data cap and this is the only way I will be able to play this game! You have a new sub😁

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

@thegamergrandma5194

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr You are very welcome. Looking forward to your videos!

Checking out this video because I’m setting up my internet plan. Caching actually helps save major on data

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed it does!

Great explanation video. You are bang on correct here. Respect for correcting from your old video.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Bumble!

this is such a great looking game, i am only starting to scratch the surface, i love the detail, big like for you video

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Thanks for this, well explained and details

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Thank you for an other great video! Out the window both cache options go! On a side note, it baffles me how a genius team like the people at Asobo can miss such basic design elements as a progress window or create/delete button where those are appropriate.... I love Microsoft Flight Simulator. And I have tremendous respect for the people who put this thing together. But come on, really?

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's pretty pathetic at times LOL. Thanks so much for the kind comments!

Very good explanation. Will keep an eye on your vids.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

Excellent, many thanks!!!

That was really good!! Now I know! Thanks So Much!!

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome!

Thank you! That was so detailed. It really helps

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Excellent you have made it very clear 👏👏👏👏👏👏 thank you from the uk

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome! Cheers from Los Angeles :)

Well done professor !! Thankyou

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure Brian!

i can assure you it has huge performance benefits now. tested it multiple times.

@badGamr

7 ай бұрын

This is a pretty old video. Asobo has had plenty of time to fix it :). Thanks for watching!

Thanks for finally clearing this up for me.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Thanks for watching!

Wow that was very helpful ! Thanks.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

If it is accepted across the board that rolling cache involves continuous read/write operations based on big data download, you will have additional system loads subject to multiple variables (internet speed and consistency, disk drive performance, etc.) Manually caching the same area takes the connection load out of the equation and reduces de read/write operations to mainly read only. With reduced system load you WILL have better frame rates, as you yourself say people are reporting. It's a matter of having a fast and large enough drive (manual cache should always be on the same disk as the sim) and manual is the way to go. Also,when paint brushing an area there's no need to pass the brush over each feature (i.e. pier). The brush is just a selection guide and the cached region is still the darker and larger rectangles that form as you move the brush. The pier was already cached before you repassed it with the brush. Just my 2 cents. Great video!

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

thanks Maubur!

Thanks for another very clear and informative video and for doing the extensive testing! If it doesn't give me any fps benefits then I'll be switching off both flavours of cache for now. I am lucky in that my internet connection isn't too bad. All that disk access has got to have a performance impact, as you suggest, so I'll do without.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

thank you so much for watching and for your kind comments! I’m glad the video was helpful!

@Alan_Edwards

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. Why bother with it.

@maubur

3 жыл бұрын

Did you see the difference between the uncached generic downtown NY area and its cached counterpart? Its xplane vs MSFS. Try both, manual and rolling, but please DON'T fly uncached in a photogrammetried area.

Accurate, Brief & Clear.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much :)

Very useful. Thanks much!

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Thank you!

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome! Thanks for watching!

Great explanation

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Rik!

Late question sorry. If my internet is really slow and if I’ve already cached an area will the sim use the cache first or it try to use online data first? I noticed when playing on my series S that I get a lot of poor looking textures sometimes even in photogrammetry cities and I’m thinking its down to my internet speed. Recently got a gaming pc and was hoping that I can reduce this effect by using manual cache.

@badGamr

8 ай бұрын

Sadly I do not own a Series S and I suspect it may have different caching characteristics. I would try manual caching of an area and test it out and see if the photogrammetry is improved for that area. Sorry, wish I had a better answer for you.

So a bit of a difference from what you expressed here vs another video. If I have a manual cache region of medium quality with an internet connection, what do I see? Medium scenery or high? My goal is to relieve my download volume of a specific region when I approach it.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

if you have an Internet connection then you will have high quality photogrammetry. The medium quality that you have cached will only be used if your Internet connection is lost.

Great video as usual badGamr. One follow-up that I'm still scratching my head about: if you can create a photogrammetry cache anywhere in the world, why is that in each world update they say they've added 'new photogrammetry cities'? Isn't the whole world automatically photogrammetry? Is there two levels of photogrammetry, normal and enhanced?

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

To the best of my knowledge there are two levels in the sim. Photogrammetry and AI generated. AI is not cached. Photogrammetry is cached at 3 different levels of quality. When I fly around the city of Santa Paula California everything is AI generated. When I fly around the city of Simi Valley California about 20 miles from Santa Paula everything is photogrammetry. Indeed when you look at the list of cities that are photogrammetry Simi Valley is listed in Santa Paula is not. I hope that helps.

Top Man Thanks

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Thanks for a great video. However i have a slow connection (10 - 20mbs) so guessing would be best to create a manual cache. Will the cache work with low bandwidth over my manual cache or is it just best to just go offline rather than stream a show bandwidth quality?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Manual cache should help for sure!

I just got the game and have been going through the settings as per your video tutorials. It seems that manual cache has been disabled as of update 11, at least that is what I have read online while trying to figure out why I can't set mine, it is currently at 0. I can view the manual cache screen but all the settings are greyed out, I have the 40th anniversary edition fully updated.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

There should be an option to reset to factory defaults - Try that.

That's cool you mentioned Cleveland Ohio. That's where I live and fly thereoften

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

Been there many times - last time was to see my Cubbies win the world series :)

@rackum44

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr yeah yeah. Lol

I move the rolling cache path to Drive D instead of Drive C, i don’t touch the manual cache. When I quit the msfs then i go back, it asked me to update again with 134gb. Is it normally?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

That is a new bug I think

This is a great video and worth revisiting from time to time! I'm hoping you have assisted me this time as I have a greyed out caching screen? My rolling cache and Manual cache folders exist with the .ccc files inside, but IN the sim it's empty? I'm going to try the reset . Cheers.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

There is a reset option in the sim - see if resetting the cache helps - If not, just delete the existing cache files and recreate them in the sim.

@stephenmason5682

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr hi, thanks for getting back. I've been trying all these options and just reset to default as you've suggested. I'll have to see what happens as I rebuild the cache. God its so frustrating!

Wish I'd skipped to the end and not started setting up it up... I have a great internet connection. But to your statement it does not help FPS, why are my rates sometimes much slower than other times? If I had cached it, seems like it would always be high. Since it's rolling, when I fly around the world and then come back to my home airport, it has to grab and cache it again. What am I missing here? Thanks! 🙂

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ben. FPS results were the results of my testing. I get massive variations in FPS as well but my testing has shown me that cache has had zero positive impact on it. None. But everyone's situation and systems/connections are different. I encourage you to create a test plan for yourself and determine what will work best for your specific scenario.

Hey man what is the rolling cache limit ? Does it make a difference what I set it to or keep it at default? I currently play online so everything looks amazing obviously but I do switch to offline from time to see if it would look as good and obviously it doesn’t but I wonder if that could be fixed when the rolling cache limit is increased

@badGamr

2 ай бұрын

Rolling cache is limited by disk space. Bear in mind when you set a limit on rolling cache it will start filling the cache over again at the start once it is full.

Hi! Yes this is helpful. Instead of naming it "Caching" they should have named it "Saving"... If my internet is working and I have the area in my rolling cache, will the sim decide for me to use the cache (faster, no download)? If I fly from A to B, and back to A, the rolling cache would still have A available? Do you know how many square miles are stored in say 10Gb of rolling cache? What about Low/Medium/High quality, does that apply to rolling cache?

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Low / med / high does not really apply to Rolling. It uses HQ only. If you have an area in cache already and your internet is up it will not fetch from rolling - It will write to rolling only in that instance and will use the internet fetched version. No idea what the relationship of physical area to cache size is but it will be dependent on the amount of geometry that you are flying over. Manhattan will fill up the rolling cache faster than farmlands in Kansas for example. Hope that helps!

@georgesiebes

3 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Yeah totally.

I reinstalled the game already and it took hours but if i go to manual cache i cant do anything. It says my maximum overall cache size is 0gb and i dont know hot to change that. Help pls

@rodriguezkev

Жыл бұрын

Same with me, it's always greyed out so cannot change it. Very annoying.

So how lo g does this cache file take? I set it for 20gb and it’s been like an hour.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Something is wrong if it took an hour. 20GB should take a couple of minutes.

But does cache with High settings download a more highly detailed photogrammetry that low or medium settings. There's times while flying where buildings appear very blocky. Wonder if high cache saved will fix these times.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

I tested on highest settings - no diff.

@Mikinct

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr you're also on PC. XBOX even with fast wired internet doesn't provide ultra settings at ground level.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

@@Mikinct True - Did not know you were referencing the XBOX - I have no experience with that so I cannot speculate or pontificate on the sim on that platform.

Hi there, can you tell me what was the last city in this video where you flew over with the Cessna?

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

Chicago.

@PatrickBijvoet

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Thank you, And I forgot to thank you for this video. Now I know I do not need cache

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

@@PatrickBijvoet My pleasure :)

I Can´t use manual cache, i go GENERAL OPTIONS/ and MANUAL CACHE it´s in light gray, I can´t modify. Why?. Thanks and grettins from Argentina

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

There is a factory reset for it in the cache menu - You might try that. Another option is to look to see if you have the cache file and delete it.

How you do your cinematics? How do you circle around so smoothly, have off centered angles(see 14:11 to 14:55), etc?

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

I use a flight recorder that I profiled in this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/dXp72JWMg8Kreco.html I record the flight first then play it back and use the drone camera. That way I can focus on just shots of the plane and not combining that with flying. Hope that helps!

@simpilot95

3 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Thanks! One more question, do you use the keyboard to change the drone camera view, if so, what speed settings do you use? I tried that once and it didn't turn out as well as I would have liked.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

@@simpilot95 No I use a PS4 Dusalshock controller to control the drone. The keyboard will not give smooth results. For the shots in this video the drone was at it's default speed setting.

@simpilot95

3 жыл бұрын

@badGamr Thank you. 😀

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

@@simpilot95 Anytime!

No matter what I do, the overall cache size is always 0 and grey. I cannot increase the size even if I specified more gbs in the data menu.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

You should check the forums for the sim over at forums.flightsimulator.com/ - Every PC system is different.

Is it better to have manual and rolling cache in the same folder directory? Or two folders one for rolling one for manual?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

It makes no difference.

@AHmn-jt3yb

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr much appreciated!

I tried with no rolling cache on Xbox Series X and went to fly NYC in the places to discover and immediately the city had smearing and some popup and then I get a warning that my bandwidth is too low to support Bing photogrammetry continue and ignore? I pressed ignore and NYC did NOT go generic and stayed with photogrammetry????

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. Clearly cache performs differently on the XBOX from the Windows Platform.

@theaustralianconundrum

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Xbox Series X specs: CPU 8x Cores @ 3.8 GHz (3.6 GHz w/ SMT) Custom Zen 2 CPU GPU 12 TFLOPS, 52 CUs @ 1.825 GHz Custom RDNA 2 GPU Die Size 360.45 mm2 Process 7nm Enhanced Memory 16 GB GDDR6 w/ 320b bus Memory Bandwidth 10GB @ 560 GB/s, 6GB @ 336 GB/s Internal Storage 1 TB Custom NVME SSD I/O Throughput 2.4 GB/s (Raw), 4.8 GB/s (Compressed, with custom hardware decompression block) Only using 10GB at an RTX2080Ti card equivalent bandwidth? Then uses another 6GB at almost half the bandwidth like an RTX 2060? I wonder why they did this?

Do you know why the selected blue area for caching moves and does not stay in place when you move the map up and down? Fantastic video and great voice, thank you very much.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

I wondered that myself. I think it's a flaw in the UI.

@telemaq76

3 жыл бұрын

because they made the model in 3d and the blue area is not on the ground, it s in the sky, and the earth is not falt, it means with parallax, when you move the map, you see the selection move . but it s mega boring, they really need to improve that. a standard 2d map like ortho4xp would be 100 times better

@FurianFlame129

3 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr any idea how rolling cache works on xbox? I can't seem to find anything about it but it is an option in the settings. There is no "manual cache" option though

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

@@FurianFlame129 it should be the same, conceptually, as the PC. A rolling reservoir of scenery Data used when the Internet connection is not available.

@FurianFlame129

3 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr so it will just download things as you're flying around?

Thank you.

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome!

Thank you

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

My cache button isn’t popping up, it just lets me put the number.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

There should be a reset to defaults button. This is a bug and you have to do the reset to enable it.

so in conclusion would rolling cache help in fps?

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

No.

If I have bulletproof internet and turn off rolling cache, where does the photogrammetry load to?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

It gets streamed from the ASOBO/Azure servers into RAM.

@mikea3273

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Ok great, thank you!

@theaustralianconundrum

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Even on my Xbox Series X? My internet is a rock solid 75MB/sec uncapped data. You are suggesting I disable rolling cache? I don't fly just one area. I fly the world every day. Subscribed!

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

@@theaustralianconundrum Thanks for the sub! I fly all over the world and cache on or off makes no difference whatsoever for me. Try it with it turned off and see what you get. Everyone's system is different (I am running MSFS on an iMac) so the best thing to do is to just try it and see how it performs. I do not have an Xbox or I would test it on that as well since it's a very different platform from Windows.

@theaustralianconundrum

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr You must have a higher speed internet connection than me I'm guessing?

I thought it was great how you used Trump to point out how it was "wrong". But you could have used "come on man" and had the same impact. Although I much prefer seeing my man Trump in your video versus that other guy. Got you a like by default. I would have assumed the same thing based on my knowledge of caching. So if I understand you correctly. there is no benefit to caching if you are on network? WTH Seems like they would need to go out of their way to make it NOT help with FPS and/or provide enhanced quality video. Feel like I wasted my time, and space, creating all the caches I have setup eh? Good job and thanks for taking the time to test and correct what you previously stated. Much appreciated. AE

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure Alan. Glad you liked it!

I accidentally allocated too much space for rolling cache and it won't go down anyone know how to lower it?

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

With MSFS NOT running, Go to the folder where the rolling cache is stored and delete the file.

@billyholic

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr thanks it worked but now the 150 gb I used for allocation hasnt returned any idea how to get that back?

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

@@billyholic So your disk system reports that 150GB is still in use after you deleted the file? It should be the same as deleting any other file on your system and return the space to you. Once you delete the file you should be able to go into the cache settings in MSFS and set a size for the rolling cache that you want to use.

@billyholic

Жыл бұрын

@@badGamr maybe I need to delete whatever is left but I know it wasnt 150 gb so Im really puzzled

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

If you are not getting your disk space back you might try doing this: answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/windows-10-how-do-i-start-chkdsk-and-defragment/c1f2fb49-7b71-409d-b713-6c10a28c9e51

I need the manual cache because without it every city looks like trash even with a 200 MB/s download speed

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Something is wrong then. I leave all cache turned off and I get full photogrammetry wherever it is implemented in the sim.

@telemaq76

3 жыл бұрын

i play with 14 mb/s and it s wonderful

Windows tip: Hold down the SHIFT key when deleting a file, you'll get a confirmation to permanently delete the file and it won't go to the Recycle Bin, saving you a step.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This system is very clunky. We should be able to zoom way out and select an entire State, then select the quality of cache we would like to download. It takes forever to zoom in that far, in order to have high detail. Another thing. If I'm flying over an area that I've already Manually Cached, why is the Sim using all my bandwith trying to use Photogrammetry for that same area? This is rather redundant...

badGamr ... this is a great video and accurate in most respects ... except one. In Part Two (at around the 13 min mark) you imply that the manually cached areas will be useable and visible in OFFLINE mode. Not so. If you launch the sim ONLINE and then disconnect the internet to go OFFLINE (and get corresponding messages in sim) you can have some success flying in pre-cached areas (I say some because sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't ... and sometimes it outright crashes to desktop). BUT ... it you launch the sim with no internet connection (OFFLINE from the get go) and THEN try to fly into pre-cached areas, it absolutely DOES NOT work! Have you tested this scenario? I need some corroboration on this. It's a feature that should work ... but doesn't work.

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

I have tried it but all I get is CTD.

So in other words its pretty useless for most people and you waited until the end of the video to inform us of that. Thanks.

@badGamr

Жыл бұрын

Anytime!

🇬🇧 I was 1st

@badGamr

3 жыл бұрын

Congrats :)

Nice to know.. for now on i´ll be using manual cache for everywhere i go.. no more blurry shit with this junk

Why do good videos dont have many likes?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone hates me :(

@theaustralianconundrum

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr Asobo?

@badGamr

2 жыл бұрын

@@theaustralianconundrum Prolly

@theaustralianconundrum

2 жыл бұрын

@@badGamr lol!!!!!!

50 mbs connection speed. Hahahahahaha. Not in Australia, third world internet connections here mate.