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@VoidDWG

2 жыл бұрын

Fairly certain Lindsey Stirling did a music video in the rain. Every time I see a rainy music video I think of this tiny woman with a violin dancing like mad.

@Jtitor177

2 жыл бұрын

I really feel like starting a djentcore band and writing a song called Djenting in a Color Room.

@cynicald380

2 жыл бұрын

@finn mckenty I've joined :) no idea what I'm doing but I look forward to being a part of it

@cynicald380

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and your videos have shown an ad now for a band called "Starved" and their song "Moments Of Late". I'm no good at identifying genres but seems pretty interesting. Like heavy as hell. See what you think? 😁

@apoplexiamusic

2 жыл бұрын

So watching a review from Banger TV the guy hosting it just recommended this band called Desolate and their new EP The Fate Of Destruction Is The Joy Of Rebirth. I kinda reminds me of Wage War's EP, but even more unique and off the wall. Very cool stuff!

At least for Blueprints and Deadweight, I loved that Wage War was THE “generic” band. Just classic, straight to the point metalcore with sick riffs and breakdowns. I don’t think people necessarily looked at them to be innovators but rather just wanted straight up heavy and catchy metalcore and they filled that role perfectly

@conordonohoe101

2 жыл бұрын

This is exactly the comment I was looking for, Wage War get shit for being generic but since blueprints came out ive always felt like they do “generic” tighter and cleaner than anyone else Up until their new releases I’ve always been happy to go to architects for metal core innovation and wage war for consistent 2010s metalcore goodness

@nothingisblessed4765

2 жыл бұрын

Wage War is actually pretty decent for the fact that they've been playing a metalcore with at least actual hearable riffs, all the modern metalcore bands now playing overproduced super edited djeny riffs that are barely even hearable in songs so i respect them for it, their sound is just tight and right.

This is one of the first metalcore bands I got into, right around the release of Pressure. Worth mentioning is that Briton Bond is an A+ name, good on that dude's parents.

@tbzombi3950

2 жыл бұрын

They were my first metalcore band too and around the same time

@angelarowe6432

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Briton was a missing in action Veteran I named him after from WW2.

@drew9584

2 жыл бұрын

Every song on Pressure was a banger. Low hit hard.

As generic as "LOW" is, I still love it. I've always said "generic just means good enough for everyone."

LinkinParchitects I’m dead lmao High Horse was pretty sick, still feeling unclear on what the band’s sound is going forward though

@TeslaOsiris

2 жыл бұрын

What’s really funny to me: Everyone goes on about how High Horse “sounds so different”....but it literally sounds almost beat for beat like “Fury” from their Pressure album. Go listen to Fury from Pressure...and then listen to High Horse again and tell me those are two different songs. Still listen to High Horse lots, but it isn’t their most original work.

“Low” might be similar to other tracks but in my opinion overall it is one of my favorite metalcore tracks. I think they just do it better then other metalcore bands. The intro riff and chorus are perfect but I do agree the riff is similar to architects. I just feel they do what they do so well. The clean singing and lyrics are huge too. I prefer listening to them over most metalcore bands. There a special band in my opinion

@squadhaze710

2 жыл бұрын

I saw them perform at Epicenter festival in 2019 and Low was by far the best song they performed

@thyweebhub

2 жыл бұрын

Same Man and if I’m being honest I’ll choose Low over Doomsday anyday, doomsday is just overplayed at this point

@dark___passenger7446

2 жыл бұрын

agreed, it’s honestly super catchy and theres an extra pinch of heaviness to it. I honestly don’t get the stigma around songs/riffs that sound similar. I think as long as it’s good, there doesn’t need to be a problem.

@MaxC.94

2 жыл бұрын

The riff isn't just similar to Architects, it is literally almost the EXACT same riff just a few notes down. Listen to the intro of Doomsday and then the intro of Low. You'll hear it. And I'm not saying that to try to ruin it for you - Low is one of my favorite songs by Wage War, and Doomsday is one of my favorite songs by Architects. They shouldn't have ripped it so exactly, but it still worked (obviously).

"Octane-core" shouldnt be necessarily looked down upon (not that you said that) because i feel like its like a gateway for new listeners to get into some new styles of music and discover other genres as they progress down the rabbits hole which will lead to more support for the music we love. Keep up the great content Finn!

Wage War crushed it with Manic. Fantastic front to back.

Deadweight is absolutely incredible. One of my favorite metalcore albums ever

@mehrank6880

2 жыл бұрын

Deadweight is my favorite wage war album. stitch is amazing. But I just don't like what they are doing now. It sounds generic and weak, even the heavy songs.

@dark___passenger7446

2 жыл бұрын

yep its my fav release by them

@justindimaria6867

2 жыл бұрын

Deadweight Blueprints Manic Pressure

He's talking about how his wife calls it hardcore core LOL that made me laugh, it actually reminds me of the "new speak" from the book 1984, which was a new way for people to speak and write that eliminates all extra and creative thoughts (ex: adjectives don't exist; beautiful and ugly and their synonyms become good and negative and to describe various levels of good and negative the words double, triple, plus, and minus can be used to supplement) so metalcore core in the book would probably be like "metal double plus core" for example haha idk, don't pay attention to me

@user-fj6kk1vo8n

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 I enjoyed this.

Wow, that Manic song sounds like everything I would hate as a boomer, but I love it somehow. I want the full album like that. Here's a chicken and an egg question: are cool bands unpopular because they're not featured on Octane, or does Octane ignore underground stuff because nobody would tune in if they played, like, Revocation and shit? Is it impossible to push underground bands, or are they still underground because radio doesn't push them?

@preciousdeath

2 жыл бұрын

Manic is to Wage War what God of Fire is to Fit For A King. Both killer songs that sound nothing like their other tracks on said albums.

@bennymountain1

2 жыл бұрын

@@preciousdeath That sucks. They're really onto something here.

@TeslaOsiris

2 жыл бұрын

Manic sounds like something straight from Korn’s dubstep days. Not my favorite track on the album but I respect them for doing something outside their norm

@THESmiler660

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeslaOsiris Manic sounds nothing like korns dubstep days

Manic also didn’t reinvent the wheel, but it DID do it well. It’s not my favorite metalcore release of the year because with most of the songs I thought to myself “I’ve heard this before…. But I like it” It seems like every song was influenced by something or other and those influences are pretty obvious - Manic was NuMetal inspired, Death Roll was After the Burial’s “Behold the Crown” inspired, and most other tracks are very “Architects core”, but they just did it really well. Even though there was nothing super new here, I think this album redeemed them from their last release. Bands do 1 of 2 things: 1) they start to go butt rock, their fans lose interest, but regardless, they keep moving in that radio rock direction. 2) They try to go butt rock, get it out of their system, and then go back to what their fan base wants with an explosive release, and I’m glad Wage War chose the later of the 2.

@toastcrumbs2094

2 жыл бұрын

manic sounds like i prevail

@SlashpLOder

2 жыл бұрын

asking alexandria for the first one and of mice & men for the second variant

@punkrocker4life9674

2 жыл бұрын

@@toastcrumbs2094 a better I prevail

@boomshlang32

2 жыл бұрын

Personally Manic and Pressure were horse shit save for like 3 songs a piece 🤷‍♂️ but that's me

For my next music video (I don't have a band) I'm going to have my bandmates with crayolas in a room full of guitars, so we can be coloring in a djented room.

Here for the “originality has no inherent value” tee shirt. Not ironic. This is perfection.

8:57 I rented a car for a road trip a few years back, and when I listened to Octaine like every 4th song was Sevendust. which was awesome, cause I don't recall ever hearing Sevendust on the radio when they were big.

@DBL304

2 жыл бұрын

Out of all the nu/alt-metal fringe bands, I always felt they were very underrated and never got their flowers. My local But Rock station plays them a lot nowadays and it’s cool to see them get some respect

@NexusLives

2 жыл бұрын

@@DBL304 Yeah, Sevendust are awesome.

@Rhork77

3 ай бұрын

@@NexusLives Love Sevendust!!!

I’m convinced that this bands recent success has partially to do with pissing off the metalcore crowd while simultaneously making good songs. Everyone keeps talking about them and they stay popular, people who don’t like them still listen to their songs.

@ninjapancake9803

Жыл бұрын

They successfull because of adtr. Jeremy writes some of the songs for them. And also produces them.

Lol I’m in Ocala as we speak. You’re absolutely right there’s nothing here.

Never Said Goodbye was definitely written by Chad Kroeger right? I'm not the only one that gets huge Nickleback vibes from that song

@alsatan9097

2 жыл бұрын

best song on the album indeed

Honestly hadn’t given much pause to listen to their newest songs, but when you started playing “Manic” - yo, that song is SICK. Definitely creative and such a cool step out of the usual for them.

@HellMxge

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way, it made me check the whole album, it did not caught my attention before.

I love Wage War, but as soon as I heard Manic I was like… “are we bringing rap rock back? Please don’t.” But now I’ve listened to it a million times because it’s catchy as fuck. I do love Death Roll though.

Sam Carter definitely was not the first to “blegh” LOL

Weird, I've always wanted to know what you thought of this new stuff since you'd always say it's just another Architects, but they're definitely a bit more than that lol

@DYLANBROCHILL

2 жыл бұрын

its mostly memes with him. doomsday riff/djenting in a coloured room are just memes although there is some truth in that as well haha

Okay…so I got INTO them via “Low.” I love that song and mostly that album. 😅 it was actually harder for me to backtrack to their previous work. I LOVE their new record, “High Horse” was their first single; not “Circle the Drain.” 😂 Briton’s a BEAST! “AHHH!”

I’m pretty sure circle the drain came out after high horse lol

High Horse actually came out first for the record before Circle the Drain 😅 but love the video! Good stuff! 🤘🤘🤘

Saw Wage War at Inkcarceration. They were playing at 2pm but they had the place going like they were a headliner. Awesome band and they made me a fan right away.

@saphireblue00

2 жыл бұрын

I was there too! They were amazing

To be fair, it did feel like that garage rock scene with bands like the Strokes, Interpol, and Yeah Yeah Yeahs was centered in Manhattan. That being said, I've always found suburb kids to be a lot better at making their own fun than city folks. Plus Manhattan post 2008 crisis is way too expensive to be a starving artist. Seeing Ice Nine Kills prominently is so weird to me. The first ever show I played at a real venue was a Battle of the Bands that we lost to Ice Nine Kills.

@markjames8664

2 жыл бұрын

I think a lot of them started out when Manhattan was different, less a place for just rich people. There used to be a lot of artists in the East Village area before it became so gentrified

Wage War is what I think of when I think of modern metalcore band, the modern metalcore band. Not that that is a bad thing, they are clearly very talented song writers, they have got some really good bangers and have got the production values for a modern metalcore band to back them up. I really enjoy the hits they've got, even if their style of production is a bit dime a dozen. Massive respect to them and congrats on another new album.

‘Red state butt rock!’ GENIUS lmao.

growing up visiting my cousins we'd call it Slowcala. The hangout spot on weekends was a literal walmart.

Oh hey, I was in that twitch chat. First time too

As a 2005 metalcore fan, I felt exactly the same as you Finn.

love this video, finn. I used to not really like wage war that much and just wrote them off as generic djent, but I decided to check out more of their music and they’ve slowly become one of my favorite bands right now.

That opening riff from alive, after the "GET UP!" sounds alot like freak on a leash after "GO" 5:18

You should do more of these

There is a county in FL, I forgot which one. It has produced like a dozen of NFL linebackers.

I saw wage war at a 400 capacity at the deadweight part 2 tour in 2017, and in 2019 with the pressure tour, in an 800 capacity, and now again with manic tour in 2022 at the same venue.

Dang I’m from the Ocala area we have some stuff lol it’s so cool to see these guys blowing up, I’m friends with Seth, Guitarist. And then Tom that used to be in a day to remember and is now one of their producers, is one of my good friends cousin. And my dad works with wages old drummer lol So got to see both bands in the early days. We have like one bar in Ocala that actually gets rock/metal bands. Like ice nine kills was just here in may. We need more places that do, so we don’t have to drive all the way to Orlando for shows lol 🤘🏻

I really enjoyed this album. I still like Pressure, I think this album is gonna sit on the top shelf with it as my favorite Wage War albums. I'm a simple guy, as long as it sounds good to me, I'll give it props, but I really enjoyed how different some of the tracks were. I think Manic really took the cake for me, I didn't really know what to think of it at first but the more I listened to it the more it grew on me. Death Roll was just absolutely filthy and stuff like that is good enough for me.

Idk my idea of the best Metalcore will always be Unearth/KSE/Shadows Fall and this is miles away. I need that Swedish melodeath influence

@Nestorglass

2 жыл бұрын

Metalcore is unrecognizable in comparison to those days

@glesgagreg2255

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nestorglass amen

@Nestorglass

2 жыл бұрын

@@glesgagreg2255 there was a point in the early 2010's when a new metal genre was invented but instead of looking for a new name we just called it "modern" Metalcore.

@glesgagreg2255

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nestorglass yep, not the same at all. Nu-metalcore or Linkin Parchitechts fits it pretty well tbh 😂 I don't like "my" metalcore bands associated with them

@Nestorglass

2 жыл бұрын

@@glesgagreg2255 tbh I don't dislike modern metalcore either it's just that it got stale. But I'd say 2000's metalcore got stale too and that's why it got replaced. Time is a flat circle lol!

Will you do a video on the new ice nine kills album when it comes out next week?

100% agree with your review. Would love to maybe see you interview one of the WW guys on your podcast just to pick their brains a little bit.

@FinnMckentyPRMBA

2 жыл бұрын

They might hate me lol

I am from central Florida. There has always been a TON of talented bands, and artists from there.

August Burns Red is from Lancaster, PA.

whats your go to song when you hop in the car right now??

Death Roll reminds me of the HEAVY parts of ADTR when it comes to vocal delivery and style. I saw Mckinnon produced the record too and it definitely shows at times

One of the things that I love about Wage War is they can change it up completely and make a song that hits your feels. It’s great.

I think originality is the most important thing, but I appreciate your interesting point of view. That's why I love your shit

I too feel the aura power-up from pinch harmonics

I first heard of them when I was on my way to see them live with A Day To Remember and immediately knew I was going to vibe with them.

So late to the party, just subscribed.. but this album came as a surprise to me. The only wage war album I listened to before this was the Pressure album, and I thought it was very generic. This album though blew me away.. I will say some of the songs have aged poorly for me and sound sort of dated now, but overall it was a different offering. Manic honestly gives me very nu metal/trap metal vibes (tell me the bridge with the panic guitars and the vocals doesn’t sound like a modern Korn song) and is something I think a lot of Metalcore bands can pick up on a thrive with (Architects sort of did it with Animals, but I honestly like this song better than that one) I’ve quite honestly never heard a song quite like Death Roll, which was the first song I heard from this album (only heard a couple After the Burial songs, not a fan, maybe I’ll try again later). That bridge is so nuts and still gets me amped as hell. Teeth is sort of that Wage War/Trap/nu metal hybrid that balances both very well. Honestly has me tuning in to what’s next for the band. I hope they keep transitioning and growing their sound.

I'll say it, Finn. Low is a better song than Doomsday.

@user-fj6kk1vo8n

2 жыл бұрын

Strong agree.

Central/south FL resident here. Our state has been breeding grounds for metal for a while! Death metal scene was apparently Poppin a few decades ago too.

@spookcityghouls

2 жыл бұрын

Each area had their own flavor. Ocala, Tampa/St. Pete, Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, Port Charlotte/North Port. Every single weekend, for years on end, I'd be somewhere in the state watching bands play.

Glad to hear your thoughts on this album, Finn. My subs seem to love the album as well and as a fan of Deadweight and Blueprints, I actually think Manic will age really well. It took all the highlights from Pressure and mixed it with their original sound. As much hate as it gets, I believe Pressure had to happen for Manic to actually work. If anyone's interested, here's my full album review: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hm2DpNKmdbbZkpc.html

I’ve been waiting for this video🤌

I got into wage war when blueprints came out. I loved it then pressure I loved that album. Manic is a banger I absolutely love their cleaner stuff as well.

So many great albums this year! Erra, Architects, while she sleeps, Beartooth! I love an album that just sounds good and those all do!

Would love to see you do a deep dive on johnny francks project Bilmuri. He just released "400lb Back Squat".

@josezepeda315

2 жыл бұрын

He’s done a video on attack attack where he talks about Bilmuri stuff for a bit.

I am from the area around Ocala, you pronounced it right. We call it "SlowCala" here because it's horse's and old people.

They do their best to sound like other bands, idk if that's indictive of improvement

Death Roll sounds the best to me out of all those songs. I liked that a lot. That reminds me why I even got into metalcore. That melodic part was sick also.

Love it! Checked then out based on this video.

A bunch of Southern rock people are also from central Florida. I think trying to get to someplace else more interesting is motivating to anyone that might have enough talent to get out.

As I Lay Dying's Confined will always be the best metalcore "rain video" for me personally

Been a fan of Wage War since they put out Deadweight in 2017. They are easily one of the best modern metalcore bands and I'd put them next to Fit For A King, Polaris and Currents. Manic is a great record and it sounds like they combined all of their music elements since Blueprints and added a lot of experimental vibes to them. They are doing great.

Hi Finn, I really enjoy both of your channels. I have a suggestion for the future of the main podcast. Now that the world is slowly opening back up, you could maybe take the show on the road and visit scenes and upcoming bands around the US for a start. Why not head to Cali and report on the H/C scene? Bands like Scowl, Gultch, Zulu, Drain, Sunami, Dead City and more are definitely worth the attention and it would be awesome to see you around them and at their shows in a gonzo style. All the best and thank you for the podcast.

@FinnMckentyPRMBA

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve talked about those bands for years, I think maybe people just don’t pay attention? Either way, I hate travel and there’s no way to justify the costs of traveling for a podcast when I can do them on Zoom for free.

@dopocc

2 жыл бұрын

@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Thank you for your answer! I have only been paying attention to your channel for the past four months maybe, I am interested on your take on those bands, I have to look more into it. I understand the traveling part, if it's not your thing. Again thank you for all your interesting takes, ideas and insight on the music business in general. Much respect from Athens, Greece.

I'm curious if you checked out the new Landmvrks album, it's my album of the year and definitely top new metalcore/hardcore imo much Love Finn!

Linkin Parchitects haha 👌. Ever consider doing something on Jinjer?

I strongly agree with your view of Pressure.

Now this is a good ass review

Hey Finn!

I just can't get behind what you consider butt rock. Actually, when I first listened to this album, I was literally thinking 'Most of this is such generic butt rock, Finn's gonna hate it' (except for the obvious exceptions such as High Horse, Death Roll and Manic of course). And on the other hand, I would never have considered Stitch butt rock before, yet you call it that in this video. Honestly, I even think that Stitch and High Horse have a very similar energy to them, which makes it even more confusing to me. This isn't hating or anything, I'm just genuinely curious where you draw the line 🤔

@omegazx7236

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%, Stitch is by favorite my favorite song from them since I don't like butt rock and even a lot of their heavy stuff sounds very generic to me. That one song is really fucking good though, they nailed it.

@mikehawkisbig9791

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Finn just counts any metalcore that can also be played on the radio as butt rock

@hamm8934

2 жыл бұрын

Also confuses me why he doesn’t consider BMTH since That’s the Spirit to be butt rock. He loves their new single die4u, and thinks it’s some bleeding edge musical innovation, but all I hear is butt rock. 🙃

@benhostetter4775

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Witness is the most progressive song Wage War has ever written and he called it Octanecore just because it has cleans lol. I understand where stuff like Gravity can be seen as generic and sellout, but those are two extremely different songs with two extremely different soundscapes.

@teamkeithgaming4998

2 жыл бұрын

I've never really understood the buttrock reference with Wage War at all. Heavy screamed verses, sung "pop" chorus'. That's Metalcore/Post-Hardcore. That's the genre. Now the new Asking Alexandria, that I get is buttrock, because it's just rock music at this point. Maybe I'm missing something. Is A Day To Remember buttrock?

They’re fine. Just doesn’t really do anything for me.

Thats sick drew did their new album, he did my old bands only album back in 2011-12 at Think Sound in NC. Hes definitely moved up since then lol. Manic slaps.

Yeah death roll's pinch harmonics are very similar to the riff in Behold the Crown by After the Burial

this was definitely a big step up from their last album. happy to see them back on track

Spotify recommended this album to me a few days ago, and I really enjoyed it. Well done, Spotify!

@Frederick0220

Жыл бұрын

I have Spotify too but where do they recommend albums?

@philipbeadle6446

Жыл бұрын

@Frederick0220 Usually, I see it on my home page. If I scroll down it'll say something like, "More like (band I've listened to before)," "Bands you might like," "Trending albums for you," etc.

@Frederick0220

Жыл бұрын

@@philipbeadle6446 I'm a total dope. Thanks man. Now I see the recs when I scroll down.

I’ve always liked Wage War, but never loved them. Interested to see what this new album brings. 🤔

I kind of wonder if a lot of the reason they stood out from the pack is that they are using unorthodox tunings. I mean...I’ve even heard it referred to as “The Wage War tuning” (and yes, I know Architects were doing the octave drop tunings before themselves but Architects were only going down to F# at the time while Wage War went down to F). There is something about that F1 note that just grabs you as something different (same with Northlane, as they have their own tuning colloquially named after them too).

Low will always hold a special place in my heart for the simple fact that it is the song that got me into metalcore and just heavier music in general

Great video FINN !!! Wage War are incredible !

Just saw them open for Slipknot about a week ago and finally got to hear Manic live, and damn they’ve only gotten better live over the years

I don’t know if anyone commented this already but High Horse was the first single Circle The Drain 2nd and Teeth 3rd

After the first two tracks I was pretty much prepared for another generic record but the title track actually kinda blew my mind. Was super refreshing. Was worth the listen for that one track alone.

Would love to hear your take on ignite

“These are just things I can’t get into. The RAIN?…..” 🤣 facts, Finn! Samesies

I enjoy the comments. Scrolling down is like reading an encyclopedia.

I loved Blueprints, still really liked Deadweight overall but was seeing the direction change already, but just gave up after Pressure. I'm glad they are getting popular doing what they want to do, but it's just not for me.

I will not tolerate any Wage War slander. love those guys theyre amazing. with that being said nice video finn! glad you made a recent video on these guys.

I seriously doubt that there is anyone else who could do a better review of this album! :) Hands down Finn dude! :)

2:30 makes me wonder if this is the case in the hardcore/metal world?

lol the high horse riff sounds a lot like while she sleeps , still good tho

Jeremy has been producing for Wage War for years now, he has been heavily involved with them, and it shows in the final product. I had the pleasure of chilling with the band before a show in St.Louis, it was three hours of awesome stories, great vibes and an amazing acoustic set. This band is stellar, the guys are super super humble, just true small town dudes (who just happen to absolutely kick ass)

They are probably my favorite band so I had to see what you were gonna say I was gonna be pissed if you said that album was bad haha

Favorite album of theirs

Might be the album of the year for me. Big fan of Wage War awesome live band but they took this album to the moon. It’s awesome. Glad to see some love.

Love this band

Been a fan since Blueprints. Loved Deadweight but wasn’t a huge fan of Pressure. This album was a (kind-of) return to form with some new style. They’re up there with The Ghost Inside as one of my favorite metalcore bands. Hope they keep killing it.

I went into this album expecting to hate it after the last album, but I was pleasantly surprised. I do think the first half is way better than the second half though, second half had some stinkers/boring ones. Overall a great sound though and huge breakdowns

Wow strawberry festival. That brings back teen memories