Don seems to be quite the happy, upbeat guy. This pleases me.

I've been waiting for this kind of quality demo for a long time. Thanks for the demo!

C90 sounds like a mesa boogie and how it should sound:)

@sherbuel

3 жыл бұрын

@@jsullivan2112 v30 are rated 60w.with a 90w mesa boogie like the mark V crancked it will not last long..

@sherbuel

3 жыл бұрын

@@jsullivan2112 ok i thought you were talking about the mark V, which the video is about.Imho , the mesa cab with v30 are more for the rectifier sound,which is basically a soldano sound and totally different than a mark, while the mark series were voiced for more "hifi" cab like the ev12ml electro voice or the c90..but it's not universal truth, just my opinion.btw a tube amp is "very" dynamic and at a band volume a 90w amp with 60w speaker...i would not trust that..

@sherbuel

3 жыл бұрын

@@jsullivan2112 no pb :-)

Seems like having these two in a 2x12 would give you the best of both worlds.

@lewisfrank7117

2 жыл бұрын

i guess I'm kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good place to watch new tv shows online?

Your "side by side comparison" are great! Thanks a lot

I run both together in a 2x12 cabinet and they compliment each other very well.

@brettwaine5432

3 жыл бұрын

Hey man ya 212 with v30 n c90? Open or closed back... I wanna do this with a laney irt 2x12 n prs mt15 head...yes im an eflat chugga...

@ericmccormick1768

3 жыл бұрын

@@brettwaine5432 Open back, mainly because the 2nd hand cabinet I bought didn't come with the back, so there you go. Sounds like you'll have a great sounding setup. I do have to say that my mt15 sounds great through mine. Then again, so does my prs Dallas. Two completely different amps. Shows that the combination of speakers is pretty versatile.

Love the comparisons you guys have been doing, nice playing as well.

Useful demo! But your playing, it makes it so much better!

C90 hands down. When you hear that speaker in person in a combo in a room, its souds Huge ! Fat tone with a massive amount of bottom end and it handles distortion awesomely. I put that speaker in a fender Blues Deluxe 40watt amp and all I can say is wow. Great for Rock , Blues and Hard Rock. The v30 is good for more like Metal and Hard Rock stuff, it still is a good speaker but it doesn't have that bottom end like this one

Great comparison video. This is the kind of back-to-back comparison that I'd love to see more of! I think I'll be looking to pick up a V30 for my Express 5:50. I definitely prefer the tone you were getting out of that speaker.

Very cool vid, thanks for doing this. I own both. Basically use a V30 if you want a spongy, and rolled off top end. Good for vintage feel. Downside is that it lacks definition and some desirable upper frequencies. C90 much tighter, and more balanced throughout the frequency spectrum. Good for metal. And the clean sound was nice and tight. Downside a little harsh and paper-like on the top.

I liked the C90 better on clean and the V30 on crunch and high gain.

@MrTwodogshumping

7 жыл бұрын

Serginho Sena I use higher gain for my vintage 30's. Which means v30's all the way

Great review! Thank you! For me, C90 is the best. No comparison. I have had both and I prefer the C90.

I'm always flattened how thin and and fuzzy Mesa combos sound.

Excellent work once again Don

i just have to say it - Don, you are one cool dude for doing this comparison ^^

Very good demo! Appreciate that you did not drag out the A/B comparisons with long solos. Easier to hear the differences with quicker back and forth comparisons. I hear the most difference in the clean comparisons with the C90 maybe having a little more edge in the high frequencies especially. It seems Boogie designed the C90 to sound like the Vintage 30 in the crunch and distortion modes, but with higher wattage capability. They must have figured that these speakers would be most often used in some level of distort mode by guitarists that also need a more robust speaker than the V30 and...... they are probably right. Good demo, and good playing. Thanks again!

The vintage 30 has a blanket on it. Thanks for the great review!

I haven’t heard many side by side comparisons such as this. Was surprised by how different they were to be honest. I have cabs loaded with each and have never had them connected to the same amp side by side. Gotta say I liked the C90 for the cleans, it was brighter, but the V30 for the dirtier sounds. It was a little darker and I found some of the dirty sounds on the C90, especially the higher frequency, to be rather shrill. Good test, one thing to make these a little better, if you could play the exact passage on each. You went from high to low a little when changing and that skued things a little. Best to have a note by note comparison. Nice, Thanks!

Awesome job on the demo. I liked the V30 for the cleans. For the gains, the two sounded pretty close but the C90 sounded a bit sweeter to me.

I'm with you totally on the Vintage 30! It's not harsh, and has so much detail and juicyness in the mids.

Funny, I have V30's and MC90's right now, in the same room, and I'm getting warmer sounds from the MC90. This video is the exact opposite of what I'm finding in the real world.

@joeytruelove

6 жыл бұрын

Would that be the Mesa labeled V30?

@HendrixRipoff

5 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he mixed the two up ?

@PinchTune

4 жыл бұрын

@Tony S. I had a Lonestar 2x12 Combo with C90s and eventually got a head cabinet and 2x12 cabinet with V30s and moved the entire thing over. I haven't played the C90s in a long time. They are in a box in my shed. I should probably swap them out and give em a try again.

@triamp9 Thanks for watching! I'm totally with you on the Vintage 30. It's not harsh, and has so much detail and juiciness in the mids!

Awesome video. I really liked the C90 in clean and especially crunch modes, it felt more dynamic even though the playing was the same. The top end just had a nice feel to it. Under high gain though, especially in the more rhythm style parts, I think the V30 really took it away on this one. I can see why people like to combine these into the same cabs though - they seem complimentary.

Years ago while in a band we used both C90s and V30s in our 4x12s. It sounded tight!

Good demo, thanks. I just bought this amp, love it but agree, there's an ice pick that's hard to dial out with the Black Shadow. Im going to try the Veteran 30

Many people have complained about the Mark V having a harsh, ear-piercing, "ice pick" sound that they can't get away from. It's not the amp. It's the speaker. It all comes from the C90. I fought that problem for a year, and then took my Mark V head in to a store and plugged it into a 2 x12 cabinet with Vintage 30s. Bam, problem solved, best amp ever made.

@felinekaiju4517

4 жыл бұрын

All depending on your needs. I think the C90 is perfect for down tuned players. I like how the roadking 4x12 comes with 2 v30's and 2 C90's. The v30 back is closed and the C90 side is open. The best part is the dado joined vertical partition splitting the speakers.

@alphamilkrecordings8974

3 жыл бұрын

I find the v30 more ice picky in every amp I've heard the two in. That mid hump in the v30 is always there. The C90 has more to treble, yes, but more high, open treble. Its like a modern 'scoopy fizzy fluff' that is immediately associated with metal or rectos when used with high gain.

@vaportrails7943

3 жыл бұрын

Alpha Milk Recordings It works for rhythm chugging on the low strings, to cut out the mud. But for anything above that, there is way more treble available than anyone wants. It's a complex amp. I do find the V30s smooth it out. Also, a 2x12 Rectifier cab is harder to blow out than one C90. They can handle more power. It darkens the sound a little, but in a good way. I don't know where your impression comes from, but I think the response curves on the speakers tell the real story.

For the clean the V30 was the one for me.

The v30 has a better clean, but the distortion on the c90 is delicious. Great comparison!

Thank you guys a million, you always follow through. Lol

It's still very subjective. Is the amp set for the v30 speaker and the c90 speaker used the same setting? What happens if you turn it around, will everybody like the c90? I've got em' both and don't use the same setting because the v30 has a low midrange hump while the c90 is more linear in it's characteristics. They are both very good speakers and if you want more grunt go for the v30, if you want a sweeter sound go for the c90. Or why not, get the old slanted Mesa/Boogie with v30 in the bottom closed thiele and c90 in the top open back. Sounds great!

Thx for the vid Don! I have a questions for you: Did you use an extension cabinet and second mic for the comparison or did you physically swap the speaker in and out of the enclosure? Thanks

I am absolutely gonna throw 2 c90's in my cab in the X pattern with the V30's. They both sound great.

Thanks for uploading this Video! Fast and easy answer to my question! Top!

I use the C90 in my Engl 100w combo. The V30 sounded like it does here - over bassy, no presence, muddy on crunch, great on lead notes but only for single notes as it punched a hole around the notes to separate them. But it was like cotton wool in the ears for the cleans - very dull and would not come to life until I gave it the C90. Now sorted as long as the amp remains in contact with the floor - if I raise it I lose way too much bass. But I also use it with a MB 4x12 (all C90s) 3/4 openback.

Thanks for all the great vids for the Mark V.. I own one and find there vids very valuable. I feel like I get the best of both worlds since I have the combo with the C90, but I also have a Bogner OS 2x12 with a Vintage 30 and a G12H 70nth Anniversary. I can run the combo, or just the cab, or both...

@Erock09291 That's a good question. I think a Mark V in a closed back 2x12 combo format would do really well. The only reason I can think of why they don't is simply because Mark's have always been 1x12 combos. Boogie was the first company to do a high powered 1x12 amplifier and perhaps they are trying to preserve that lineage.

V30 definitely punchy and warm. C90 had a nice Fenderish sparkle on top. ? I guess it's whatever your personal preference is.

@MrTwodogshumping

7 жыл бұрын

Scott Howes I agree with you

i have two 12" v30 in my cabinet. i'm very very very happy with this choice

Terrific demo.

Don't know if these are closed back or open back speaker cabinets (Mark V) but the Celestion Black Shadow and the V30 both sound great. I like pairing both of these speaker cabinets, and together the sound is sublime.

Great videos !

Great video! If someone asks me the difference I send them this. I play a Mark V and thought the amp was putrid with the C90. I don't think I will ever sell it with the V30. It's the right amp for me.

My Mesa F-50 came stock with the C90, and I love its clarity and balance. I use it in conjunction with an old Valvestate 412 with Celestion G12-L's, which are a poor man's Greenback. The combination of speaker types is great. I play punk, metal and roots rock...

only because you heard this comparison! both of them sound really great! =]

That's pretty much what I thought, too. On clean the V30 seemed a bit darker and fuller sounding with more bottom end; the C90 was a bit too bright. On crunch, they were similar, but the V30 just had the extra mid-punch I love. On hi gain, the V30 was just more open sounding and would cut through the mix better, while the C90 sounded too compressed, like somebody threw a blanket over the cabinet.

I have found with this amp that its easier to play with the EQ and get the tones i like using the C90 than with the V30. The EQ configurations do come out kind of odd looking with the C90, but never could get the right tones with the V30. Currently I have the C90 in the combo and a V30 in a 1X12 closed cab and together they sound pretty good.

Years ago, I decided to put together a three-stage stereo rig using a Mesa F-50 narrow chassis 1x12 combo and a Mesa F-30 1x12 combo. The F-50 came stock with a Black Shadow 90, and the F-30 came stock with a Vintage 30, and I didn't really have any way of testing them beforehand. I decided to go with the Vintage 30, since they seemed much more popular at the time, and ordered a Vintage 30 from Mesa (Mesa's version of the Vintage 30 is a 70 W driver, as compared to the standard Vintage 30, which is rated at 60 W. I am assuming the Vintage 30 being compared here is from Mesa.) I am actually surprised to note in this video that the Black Shadow 90 is *dramatically brighter* than the Vintage 30, to the point of being annoying to my ears. Of course, you can compensate for this with the amp's EQ, to a certain extent, but just based on this video, I'd choose the Vintage 30 every time over the Black Shadow 90, unless the difference in power handling was a factor. With my F-50, that's not the case.

Obviously the Vin 30 sounds better here ... I think I can get close keeping the presence settings pretty tame and dialing out the fizz with the graphic eq, though, on my Mark V. I'm sure the decision to go with the C90 had more to do with power handling than tonal characteristics. I take the best of both worlds: I plug my combo into an Emperor 412 with Vin 30s and plug the cab and the internal C 90 speaker into the 4 ohm outputs for a "5/8 stack."

Nice demo. I thought i may prefer the V30 in my Rectoverb combo which has a C90. V30 quads sound massive with a rectoverb with easier on the ears treble at pub gig volumes which is not that loud. The C90 is very responsive to your touch on the guitar.

They're both great. I have a black shadow in my combo and I use a vertical 2x12 underneath with v30's! Best of both worlds!☺️

@DayInTheLifeOfAl

11 ай бұрын

Nice! I just got the Mark V 35 head with a V30 1-12 top rectifier cab and a Theile 1-12 bottom with the V90.

@richhansen8874

11 ай бұрын

@@DayInTheLifeOfAl I know you'll enjoy that!

Great video. To the person appearing in the video: Relax when you're speaking dude! You're doing a great job, you speak clearly, with a good speed, rythm, tone and articulation/diction. Now you just need to forget about the camera and act natural or else you'll come up as having a broom stuck up your butt...

@zephyr206 You're absolutely welcome! Hope you enjoyed!

lol at the old Steve Vai riff. Was a flexi-disc in an 80's issue of Guitar Player magazine.

@moonthrasher2357

4 жыл бұрын

Deep cut, haha!

I have a 5:50 2x12 w/C90's hooked up to a Recto 2x12 ext. cab w/ V30's and both together sound awesome!

WOW! You played The Attitude Song by Steve Vai! Great choice!

Hmm I wonder both of these would sound together in a 2x12 closed back cab? ? It would have to be a pretty good combo I think!!?

@weyonchin Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!

@acejcra I'm thinking about a roadking 2x12 too... one C90 and one V30, one side closed back, one side open back. Sounds like a winner.

C90 open back for cleans V30 for distortion

@pipesstratman I'm not sure how to answer the weight question. I agree with you about the C90... there is a certain high frequency that I don't care for, and it's present no matter how you set the amp. I would love to hear a Warehouse Speaker Veteran 30 or ET-65 in the combo. Haven't tried it, but when I have compared Celestion to Warehouse in the past, the Warehouse takes the cake every time.

@haggertysmusic thanks for clarifying, and also, the Mark V is already powerful enough

The C90 sounds wide open on the cleaner sounds, but turns brittle in high gain. The V30 sounds robust and round in high gain, but is too boxy while clean. I hate feeling like I need both.

having tried both in a shop the v30 sounded muffled compared to the c90 ... the c90 is punchy , clear & gives that true raspy mark series sound

@JustAdude291

3 жыл бұрын

Was it a real uk mesa v30? Was it brand new? Idk I have v30s in my oversized mesa cab and they are delicious imo. Can't wait to try the c90 though

@3000KTM

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustAdude291 it was an orange cab , so i don't know where the speaker was made . the c90 was an open back combo which prob made a huge difference as well .. but the c90 was the clear winner for me

@JustAdude291

3 жыл бұрын

@@3000KTM oh I see, I've tried some of the orange 2x12s with the v30s, I thought they were alright, I think the Mesa designed ones are voiced different too and my favorite v30. I love v30s but I'm very open to trying other things. I think the orange ones use UK v30s too but maybe Chinese currently im actually not sure. Either way, v30s are not for everyone. I've never tried c90s but they sound pretty good in demos, pretty clear and balanced. My plan is to mix a v30 and c90 in a 2x12 and close the back. Hopefully I can buy em tomorrow. But yeah, people like to mix v30s with brighter speakers, the low-mid of the v30 and the high end of like a k100 or a t75 blends well apperantly.

I liked the C90 for the cleans and High gain and the V30 for the crunch sounds.

@Pianoblacks They were both in a standard Mark V 1x12 open back combo. Thanks for watching!

Vintage 30 all the way. Though the C90 is killer as well.

for me, the c90 sounds amazing for clean but as soon and as soon as high gain came on it sounded like pantera and would be good for shredding metal. the v30 is good for sounding like acdc and for more of a rhythm gain sound. but its a tough call for me for which i like better.

@kosmicwizard

7 жыл бұрын

Derek Wilton acdc uses g12t75 speakers ...

@larrytate1657

7 жыл бұрын

I have a g12 in my Marshall DSL combo and the mark 5 35 head sounds pretty good with it. Def much darker than these two speakers. I'm going to buy a Mesa cab for it now and am trying to decide between these two. I have an old 4x12 with vintage 30s so maybe I should get the C90 idk tho cause I think I like the v30 lil more here. C 90 sds too bright.

Fascinating, my experience is the C90 warmer speaker. This video is the exact opposite

V30 for gain and c90 for clean. I have 2 v30 and 2 c90's in my cab. ^_^ very happy with my mix. Now that I have a better knowledge I can use which one for recording which part lol

Guitarists have different tastes. When I bought Mark V, I already had early 90's vertical Mesa 2x12 metal grille cabinet with EVM12L (Thiele type) and C90 (open back) speakers. That 2x12 cabinet works very well with all Mark series amps. I also tested Mesa oversized closed backed 4x12 cabinet with V30 speakers. I chose that 2x12 cabinet. When I needed second 2x12 Mesa cabinet, I could not find one. But then I found Mesa Three Quarter 4x12 cabinet with C90 speakers and in my opinion that was the best for Mark V. Mesa Three Quarter 4x12 cabinet is darker than vertical Mesa 2x12 metal grille cabinet. I use vertical Mesa 2x12 metal grille cabinet with my late 80's Sundown A50 head.

Hey Don! Two questions: what is the weight difference of the amp with the two speakers? Have you played a Strat through the two speakers? I have the C90 and my Strat seems very brittle on the high end and there doesn't seem to be enough low end. And yes, I've reduced the treble and increased the bass but still it doesn't sound great like I think it should. In your vid, I prefer the warmer, fatter V30. Oh oh, another queston: are there other speakers that sound even better in the combo?

a combination of both for clean would be killer

excellent comparison! thanks!! v30 has a nicer warmth to me...

V30 all the way!!!

@jean-renepirlet7726

10 жыл бұрын

Absolutely takes 2 seconds to hear that!

Nice comparison. V30 for me.

Tech question: Do you play to a click or do you line up the two videos in Pro Tools? Or is it that you can just play it the exactly the same each time? I assume you play all the stuff, then swap speakers, amps, etc., then play it all again. Btw, I've watched every one of your videos and they kick ass!

Cool vid Don! Which do you prefer in the MK V? I personally like the slightly darker/fatter sound of the V30.

V30 on cleans, C90 on crunch and gain for me.

I know this is an old post but the settings on the V30 differ from the settings on the V90...The V30 Effects loop is lit, while the EQ is Off, aswell the Solo-Output settings differ, and there is a slight difference on master (with mesa slight differences can offer huge changes ) ... The V90, The EQ seems lit...Kinda hard to tell though...But, I zoomed in to check simply because of a few comments I read on this post, where others were claiming their results were on the contrary.

V30 sounds way thicker but love the edge on the C90

Please answer this. Is the only difference the speakers, or are there any more differences between the two models such as other power-amp stage or any other differences in design for the V30? I currently have a Mark V combo with C90:s, but I would like to try putting V30:s in it. Is there anything I must think about before doing so, or is it just straight forward plug and play?

@fluff191 Do you think that video would have to have the speakers in a 4x12 format? I don't have any with C90's in stock, but I may be able to swap one.

@creation23 Yes, these were new speakers. Each had a little playing time on them but less than an hour. Thanks for watching!

Breathe... breathe in the air! Don't be afraid to care!

The V30's are wonderful but if you play shows where you need volume you better have a 4x12 config. I had a 2x12 with actually with (1) V30 and (1) Greenback made by Bognar and ended up blowing them and wasn't all that loud. Lesson learned, use the C90's in a 2x12 cabinet if you play with a live drummer V30's in a 4x12.

is the c90 the same thing as the dark shadow mc-90?

@jackarmistead5353

3 жыл бұрын

In case you never got an answer, yes they are the same.

@mestresplinter2467

3 жыл бұрын

@@jackarmistead5353 I hope this guy sheldon don't needed to wait for that long hahaha

@ryantandy307

3 жыл бұрын

@@mestresplinter2467 poor guy died before he found out

V30, although I did prefer the C90 on the high gain channel.

The mesa boogie mark V , which is 90w can be ordered with a v30 speaker which is 60w ? there's something i don't anderstand here.if you play loud you will not hear the v30 for a long time.

I use a C-90 black shadow (made in UK) in my USA made Peavey Bandit 112. It's a killer speaker. Sadly, made in UK is not available these days anymore!

Thats the beauty about music ;)

V 30 = British tone, C 90 = American tone. Both good , i had them both .V 30 classic bro.

Nice video! i prefer the vintage 30

C 90 sounds great!!

Were these NEW speakers, or had they been broken in prior to this video? :) Thank you!

@Derrick7777777 The C90 is brighter for sure. One thing I don't know if you can really hear in the video... while playing on the clean channel, I could "FEEL" that vintage 30... Much more bottom end. I love the mids in the vintage 30, they are so detailed and complex. I love the vintage 30 all the way!

Great riff with Steve Vai!

@usalespaul59 Mesa will ship the amp with a single V30 and still cover the speaker under factory warranty. The V30 seems to be rated conservatively, and we have shipped numerous Mark V V30 combos and have not had one issue or warranty claim. If you are truly needing to crank 90 watts, then a combo is probably not the best amp for you, and you would likely prefer the added volume and push of a 4x12.

My world just got turned upside. I've been a hardcore v30 user forever. Thinking they were the end all be all speaker I put them in all of my amps but I actually think I like the black shadow better. I EVEN KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE!!!

Would I have to order a 8ohm Vintage 30 to replace the black shadow?