Best demo of these speakers and amp on KZread.

I have a Mesa branded EVM 12 inch speaker. Wondering if I can swap it into my MESA MK IV combo with out any issues. Currently the previous owner had installed a Celestion Century 8 ohm speaker, This Celestion Century is the older one, and he said he did the swap to make the combo lighter . Thanks for the video comparison JL

I have a Mark III combo with the EVM12L, and I think it's perfect. I also have a Mark IVB widebody combo that came with a C90, and I liked it for clean and crunch and hated it for lead. I swapped it out for a G12K-100 and prefer it. I would have put in an EVM12L, but because it's a widebody, it doesn't fit properly. I also have a Mark V head, and at that time, the only cabinets you could buy were either C90 or V30. I bought two 1x12 with C90, one open back, one closed back, and a 2x12 closed back with V30s. I like it better through the 2x12, but I use that cab for my rectifier, so the Mark V sits on top of the two 1x12 cabs. I also have a JP2C and bought two thiele 1x12 cabs with the EVM12L, and I think they sound great also. I've played the Mark V through them as well, and I think it sounds better through them. To me, there's something slightly shrill and nasally about the C90. I think since Mark amps are quite bright and generally sound better when you can turn the presence up a little bit, they benefit from a speaker that's a little dark sounding. Even the K100 I have in my Mark IV isn't completely satisfying to me, but options are limited due to the cabinet dimensions. I wish I had bought a head instead of the combo, but it was for a great price used, and it's the hardwood/wicker combo in mint condition. I couldn't pass it up.

Great demo. I thought the Black Label was far too dark and muddy. That particular Eminence wasn't much better. The Black Shadow and 12L sounded best to my ears.

excellent video as always - I've never liked my mark amps through the 112 combo as the tones are always boxy

@bougear

9 ай бұрын

I must admit that I never really liked the Mark IV via the 1x12 for heavy tones. However, for clean, and more bluesy stuff, it ends up going well. I agree though that it often ends up sounding boxy... Thanks for listening and Rock On / Gear On!

Excellent video! As usual it was a treat for the ears and eyes! I was surprised how different the two EVs sounded to each other

@bougear

9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much John...I really appreciate your comments! I love your videosooos! I would have liked to have the VS12 Black Shadow also in the battle arena, but the deal I was relying on fell through.. and I decided to do the capsule anyway.. I'll throw the ball at you then to make the same capsule, but via a 4x12 ClosedBack haha :)!!!!! We have to share the tasks! and I love your scientific contributions to the various tests you carry out :P! Rock On / Gear On John Browne! See you soon!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne

9 ай бұрын

@@bougear Hellyeah, mate! Thank you for your kind words!

For channel 3, the black label hands down. The MC90 is a close second. Maybe blend the two in a 412? On the second channel, the black label and eminence. On the clean either evm12L or black label. This is a great comparison video. Straight to the point

Celestion's mc90 is the best natural tone of all.I dont like the eminence for this setup sounds very boxy with unpleasant highs Black label is great too

I think you did an INCREDIBLE job showing the differences between the speakers with a variety of different music. Very similar to my own experiences. What 4x12 would you choose? Being a huge EV fan it's been in the back of my mind to build a TL806Q.

Another great video man! I prefer EVM 12L Black Label. Also liked MC-90. I think they will blend nicely

@bougear

9 ай бұрын

It was quite a difficult choice. Revising my video yesterday before posting, a little more and I changed the text to put the MC90 and the Black Label equal in my top haha... I would have liked to test the VS12 Black Shadow as well.. I wanted to buy one and the deal fell through. I still decided to make the capsule without this model. Anyway, thanks for listening and Rock On / Gear On!!!

So how about the rear settings? Pentode or Triode? Class A or Simulclass? Harmonics or Mid Gain? Everyone seems to ignore this when sharing their settings on these types of demos. Eminence sounds like pure ass on anything but the cleanest setting. I can see why the EVM was considered the upgrade back in the day.

@bougear

22 күн бұрын

Harmonic and pentode for sure. And I would guess Class A because its my preferred mode, but Im not 100% sure about it. I will check on my cubase project if I took note on it. Thanks and rock On !

@jsullivan2112

22 күн бұрын

@@bougear Right on, Class A is my preferred too. This was still a very helpful video, I'm really glad I stumbled across it. I'm considering buying a C90 Thiele cab and swapping the speakers (EVM-12L currently in my combo). The C90 seems to add really nice high-mids articulation where the balance of the EVM fills out the sound and makes it sound three dimensional when combined, if I'm hearing things right. Thanks for making this it's great!

Hey man, would you be interested in NAM captures? I'd love to get a training file of your peavey rockmaster preamp tones. I could provide the neural network training part, of course only if you're interested..

@bougear

7 ай бұрын

Contact me via Facebook. We could maybe manage something. Mathieu Plem

Bro, I’d love to hear a demo in a closed back cab. I have 3 of those ms-12 speakers, looking for a 4th if you know of one….let me know.

@bougear

5 ай бұрын

Yes, I regret not doing the same capsule in Closed Cab... I sell the 2 of the speaker before I realize that It would have been cool.. maybe one day if someone lend me his speakers. Thanks for watching! Rock On !!!!!

need to play something.....musical, they all sound thin with no bottom at all.