Breatplate: *stops most of the weapons* Movies: *We don't do that here*

@MrSaintVehementus

4 жыл бұрын

thats modern steel and materials and technique we use and developed and improved. As for middle ages crossbows were banned by Pope for being too lethal and amateur pleb could potentialy kill noble/king and person with wealth enough to wear such armor. Materials degrade and get rusty just because you can me stainless steal with low inperfections now well I dont have to repeat myself.

@LotionSoronarr

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSaintVehementus Modern steel? Waht do you think crossbow bolts are made from. That armor wasn't even tempered.

@ahmadraihan2706

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSaintVehementus do you even watch the video jeez, he literally explain it in the beginning

@starscreamsdkfz475

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrSaintVehementus looool really the Pop had to ban them? Was the first nerf in history... So the war up until that moment was pay to win lol WHAT A BIASS

@psychocrysis2

4 жыл бұрын

@@starscreamsdkfz475 NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST DESECRATE OUR CHIVALRY SYSTEM THAT TAKES DECADES OF TRAINING AND A FORTUNE IN EQUIPMENT. ha ha crossbow spam goes twang

People really think knights spent hours getting suited up in a hunk of metal that cost a fortune and decades of skill to forge for no reason except to look cool

@brodaviing6617

4 жыл бұрын

I'd wager most people don't ever give it a second thought apart from what they see on screen. Not that they get the chance to think about the information they're practically force fed anyway.

@gustavoargumanis1863

4 жыл бұрын

Well, they look cool actually. Fucking Hollywood that made armor a joke

@sweetsour6783

4 жыл бұрын

well on TV the protagonist can always just slice right through plate armour with ease, so yeah.

@haloslayernoob

4 жыл бұрын

@@sweetsour6783 Netflix's The King (movie) does a pretty fantastic job showing what fighting in armor was like.

@FieserMoep

4 жыл бұрын

@@haloslayernoob Not fantastic but they got the right idea. Its still adjusted for drama and overplays certain factors like the extreme fatigue that kicks in way to fast.

And this was at close range too. Shows how silly historical shows are where archers easily penetrate plate armor at long range.

@mysticonthehill

6 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly.

@bobbyhill4118

4 жыл бұрын

ChristophInns exactly.

@whatever3132

4 жыл бұрын

There's this misconception that crossbows or arrows pierce through the plate. That's not really true. In reality arrows were used en masse to try and hit the sensitive spots. Like they said in Lord of the Rings: the neck or under the arms. It's also worth mentioning that a knight probably won't be hit with a single arrow, but dozens. See the holes that guy puts in the armor? Those don't get fixed during the battle. The holes stay, and if another arrow (out of the hundreds being fired) hits or ricochets into that hole it could do some serious damage. It's more about the collective damage over the course of the battle, rather than just one or two arrows piercing straight through the metal plate. The horse was also an easy target, as if it was hit with just a single arrow it was likely to freak out and flee, because horses aren't dumb and don't want to die. The main problems with full plated armor were the quick exhaustion from the knights and the lack of mobility. Sure, you can hop around and run for a little while in armor. You can see videos of it on youtube of people doing cartwheels, sprinting, and jumping wearing a full suit. However, you would get tired pretty fast. Imagine a battle going on for HOURS and you're swinging a heavy sword with 50+ lbs of metal on. Knights would get tired pretty quickly. It's also worth mentioning that it was far more practical to just beat the shit out of a knight with a heavy blade or mace. To basically bludgeon them, or break their bones under the armor rather than pierce it. This was normally done on the arms and legs, where there were multiple small plates for mobility, rather than a giant single piece of steel to protect the organs. TL:DR - Most of the time you aim for the legs, arms, and neck, not chest. You would also have better luck trying to break bones than pierce.

@9308323

4 жыл бұрын

​@@whatever3132 If there are several archers, it's also fair to assume that there are other knights as well. And remember that this is in close range so the damages to the armour is maximized even though, quite frankly, some of them barely did anything. Besides, even with the holes, those aren't easy to exploit, much less target.

@whatever3132

4 жыл бұрын

​@@9308323 Maybe, but armies kept using archers, so they obviously worked. We can only really speculate, as the histories only record winners and movements of armies, not the specific minutiae of how each knight individually fell.

Meanwhile in movies Arrows/Bolts are 20mm armor piercing flak shell

@lolbosss

4 жыл бұрын

*an arrow penetrates 7 layers of ateel*

@DutchClawz

4 жыл бұрын

Splash damage

@jamesricker3997

4 жыл бұрын

On the medieval battlefield archers would have used tips on that arrows designed to penetrate armor. They wouldn't have used standard hunting tips

@HauntingSpectre

4 жыл бұрын

The quality of metal would be much worse too. German steel was far superior to Japanese steel even in WW2 due to difference of smelting and forging. Go back 800 years using ancient metalwork techniques. If I can shoot bullet head arrow tips through sheet metal with a 50 lb hunting bow, you can bet your ass that an 120lb war bow or 960lb crossbow could penetrate armor. Would it happen all the time? Probably not. Was it possible, especially en masse? Definitely. And while the hits look like they 'bounce' go put on a Kevlar vest and have someone shoot you with a handgun. You will absolutely feel the concussive force and have bruising. You wouldn't just shrug off hits like nothing. Even if you looked okay on the surface.

@battleoid2411

4 жыл бұрын

@@HauntingSpectre yup, plus as skal said the armor thickness tended to vary across the armor since they didnt have nice uniform rolled steel to work with meaning that the wearer might be ok against a single heavy crossbowman, several of them firing constantly would likely find a weak point fairly quick.

*Movies:* guy with bastard sword casually stabs through full plate armour using only one hand.

@qwertyzxcvbn6929

6 жыл бұрын

Poor guy, he's already too poor to afford proper armor then he gets cut down in a fight. A minute of silence for the unfortunate fella.

@thelegendaryklobb2879

6 жыл бұрын

Full papier maché plate armor

@CazadorSlayer

6 жыл бұрын

Hell, actual papier mache armor would probably be sturdier than Hollywood Plate...

@CazadorSlayer

6 жыл бұрын

@JasonBombzero Don't quote me on this, but if I recall correctly, a method similar to that was used. Paper Armor was used here-and-there by some Eastern cultures. Surprisingly effective, too.

@GuitarsRockForever

6 жыл бұрын

Jolly Jester, myth buster had tested paper armor, it works really well (for short time).

I always knew the fucking Rhodok sharpshooter crossbowmen were cheating. No way I should be losing fifty hitpoints from that.

@biomechanica456th

6 жыл бұрын

Maxajax hahahahaha, fuck the rhodoks, seriously

@daltonjohnson6157

6 жыл бұрын

Rhodoks>khergs,sultanate

@danielgomes2576

6 жыл бұрын

Those motherfuckers are impossibly overpowered.

@jaysimpson3767

3 жыл бұрын

Praise be the butterlord

@icantthinkofabetteraccount9031

3 жыл бұрын

Where is your king/sultan now?

"So, if you're unlucky while wearing armor, some bastard might hit you twice in the same spot"

@ComradeHellas

4 жыл бұрын

@@holywatermuffin7772 just lower your head and keep your arms adjusted to your torso

@skndr1964

4 жыл бұрын

@@ComradeHellas or just use a fucking shield dude 😭

@ComradeHellas

4 жыл бұрын

@@skndr1964 shields were not frequently used by european infantry, they used 3/4 plate armour which was more than enough to stop any crossbow bolt as we can see

@andyz7711

3 жыл бұрын

From this distance - who will hit next will be the man with the sword

[meanwhile in Hollywood] ARMOR IS AS EFFECTIVE AS PAPER!!!!

@odinkato4426

5 жыл бұрын

I mean the japanese made paper armor

@frankheilingbrunner7852

4 жыл бұрын

Or paper is as effective as armour. Watch two crazy Finns make body armour out of toilet paper AND IT WORKS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKuXtcx7Ysjbc8Y.html

@another3997

4 жыл бұрын

Layers of paper can make quite good armour against sharp objects. If the 'grain' of the paper is alternated to provide bidirectional strength it works even better. If you make plates of paper armour using starch/glue (papier mache), it can be incredibly strong. I made some 'armour plates' from 32 layers of cheap printer paper and PVA glue, compressed the plates using a few heavy books and when they were dry, they stopped determined thrusts from some seriously sharp knives. Just keep away from open flames. 😁

@hessuh2380

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty ironic that historically there was a type of armor made from paper and it was surprisingly effective.

Really gives you a reasonable idea of just how efficient full plate armour would have been and how hard it would be to kill a fully armoured knight.

@JmbFountain

6 жыл бұрын

Shoot him with a ballista and hes dead!

@MisterSiza78

6 жыл бұрын

Makes me wonder how strong the English longbowmen needs to be to kill a fully armored French knight at Agincourt.

@leterrierdinari2861

6 жыл бұрын

Asmin Siza actually it is one of the battle with the most prisoners, and the Knights that were wounded were mostly wounded to the face because for some reason (better seeing or breathing) they opened up their visors. (Sorry if my English is not totally accurate, I am French.)

@cool06alt

6 жыл бұрын

well the bow draw weight that used by english longbowmen would be at least 120-150lb, and with that kind of value you got a bow that still surprass 350lb crossbow since crossbow is not that efficient in mechanical energy transfer. To efficiently kill fully armoured knight you just simply tire them and using manuver aka you have less armor. Now some english longbow have the draw weight of 180lb, which comparable to 1000lb crossbow (again due to effient mechanical energy transfer generally of a bow, beside the longer limb) Or you know, you could just goin with classic method that worked since the invention of stirrup; lance charge through the heart ;)

@CanisMythson

6 жыл бұрын

umm... No. They are as mobile as you-- More, in fact, if you wear chainmail. The weight is distributed evenly over the body, so a full plate armor will not tire you. Other then the helmet, in fact, there's very little that makes movement difficult (I say the helmet because it does get hot underneath) and in most cases, the knight you are referencing is usually more fit then you are.

Can a Rhodok Siege Crossbow kill a Vaegir who spent all of his denars on Lamellar armor? *FIND OUT TODAY.*

@Zeliek

6 жыл бұрын

Also a question is would a Rhodokian give any fucks ever about Vaegir archer spam?! I think not!

@letmepreachhisname2184

6 жыл бұрын

Depends on how vile the beggar is.

@JonatasAdoM

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about Byzantines with the lamellar upgrade against venetian crossbowmen but ok

@CazadorSlayer

6 жыл бұрын

The Answer; *Yes!*

@sephryn6112

6 жыл бұрын

Border Bread it gets worse when it's almost harvesting season

King Harlaus: lives to feast another feast King Yaroglek: questionable, probably at least resting for a few days

@gijsbrugmans7747

4 жыл бұрын

Less talking, more raiding!

@siphes

4 жыл бұрын

thas a nice head you have in ur shoulders

@Dragonfly1591

4 жыл бұрын

The King of butter lives!

@makiferdgn

4 жыл бұрын

butter

@mattcvlh

4 жыл бұрын

Bannerlord is out 31 of this month, if you're interested

4:11 did he just put tape on the holes ?? RESTORATION : 100

@edguix

5 жыл бұрын

John Derat what tape?

@johnderat2652

5 жыл бұрын

The duct tape, he even says it himself, he place tape on the holes.

@edguix

5 жыл бұрын

Lol that was a joke.

@amygdalagames5950

5 жыл бұрын

it was to cover the already done holes and not confuse them with the new penetrations

@josephcline3652

4 жыл бұрын

A little late, but more like Armorer 100. Still a good attempt though.

That was actually a huge surprise. I would never have thought heavy crossbows being so goddamn useless even against thin lamellar armour (especially on such short distance!). Hollywood really bamboozled me, they always show crossbows being very efficient against armour. The lighter crossbow would not even severly wound a person just wearing a gambeson! Incredible!

@MultiCaliffa

6 жыл бұрын

Corniflox it isn't useless, but of course it can't pierce a solid piece of steel and still penetrate further.

@thelegendaryklobb2879

6 жыл бұрын

The lesson is that armor WORKS

@lucanic4328

6 жыл бұрын

On a side note lamellar is extremely good at stopping arrows. If you look at the video, they simply bounce off even if superthin metal is used. That's why lamellar was widespread among archery based warfare like the far east. The metal lamellae are not too rigid, so whed hitted by the arrow, they have space to move in and a lot of energy is lost with this effect. Also the lacings act as a springs, which makes the arrow being ultimately repulsed. This effect is even stronger when silk laces are used. However, higher kinetic objects like spears or hammer are much more devastating.

@fabiovarra3698

6 жыл бұрын

the object of an bolt or an arrow is only to wound the enemy, even if we don't take armor in the picture the possibility to kill with one shoot is very rare, but a wound is enaugh, because not only would take the target out the fight but would have a fare high chance to get infected

@r6guy

6 жыл бұрын

Luca Nic that's not quite true, lamellar didn't protect against arrows, swords or spears any better than mail armor did. it was also heavier than mail. the difference was that the main users of lamellar (the chinese) were using these badass polearms sorta like poleaxes and halberds hundreds of years before europeans did. those weapons caused alot of blunt force trauma that mail was totally ass at protecting against. the chinese also used mail as well.

4:06 I like the thought of a knight repairing his almost totaled armor with duct tape in battle

The lamellar armor demonstrates a couple of interesting things that hadn't occurred to me before seeing the results of this test: for one, steel doesn't have to be particularly thick gauge to protect well against projectiles, and two, an advantage of "scale mail" might be ease of repair. The construction isolates the damage to just a few plates that one might imagine could be easily and relatively cheaply replaced with new steel. That judgment is entirely without the benefit of knowing exactly how difficult it is to repair badly damaged steel plate of course, so an experienced blacksmith may disagree.

@sapienecks

4 жыл бұрын

I imagine that to repair those holes: either one has to tie up the snapped leather string or restring the whole thing after replacing the bent plates. Tying up is quicker but may be less durable. Restring is time-consuming.

@psychocrysis2

4 жыл бұрын

@@sapienecks But it can be done in the field without a forge and smith. A knight or wealthier footman can tell any random squire or follower to restring armor during downtime.

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 жыл бұрын

@@sapienecks It is also more likely that they would be tied with cord, much like Bowstring, rather than Leather lace, being it would be much more durable and higher tensile strength than Leather Lace. And no doubt the plates themselves would be slightly thicker than 1 mm steel, if only slightly.

@sileNtHunTerGR

4 жыл бұрын

The byzantines experimented with both plate and lamellar. Lamellar was found to be better at deflecting arrows and better at being repaired. That of course is to my knowledge. I could be wrong

@adarvirohfanbelarus8889

2 жыл бұрын

@@sileNtHunTerGR dont know how hard was to manufacture tin, but for sure in Byzantium times that was a bigger challenge

this is why early inaccurate and short range guns are used. Despite all disadvantages, they did penatrate armors and that was enough reason to use them.

@TheCompleteMental

3 жыл бұрын

They actually didnt in most cases, armor was tested by shooting it in the 14th century

@bobafettywap3170

3 жыл бұрын

Early firearms aren’t as inaccurate as you think.

@Marmocet

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what sort of early firearm you're talking about, the velocity of the projectiles it shoots and what those projectiles are made of. Soft lead balls have to be going extremely fast to do anything more than splash instead of penetrate when they hit something solid, like a face-hardened steel breastplate. See here for example: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIOKrNGMaJPWcaQ.html

@CptSlow89

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobafettywap3170 Yes they were.

@haydeen6535

3 жыл бұрын

Marmocet however, crossbow bolts were used in very early guns.

Hmm. I think it's time to upgrade to a b̶a̶l̶l̶i̶s̶t̶a̶ trebuchet.

@bt4350

5 жыл бұрын

Notmiuser If this demonstration of how disappointing a heavy crossbow is against simple armor is, I fully expect a flying boulder from a trebuchet to bounce off plate armor with minimal damage.

@oluff1153

5 жыл бұрын

No, the one that shoots massive arrows for lack of a better term.

@Askhat08

4 жыл бұрын

Time to use firearms!

@sopwithsnoopy8779

4 жыл бұрын

@@oluff1153 a ballista, is what you are refering to.

@TealWolf26

4 жыл бұрын

A siege pommel might be your best bet.

What has youtube taught me? It taught me that the books I read as a kid were full of it. I used to think that 1,000lb crossbows would go right through plates. Even with all that power you'd still need to aim for weak points.

@wor575

6 жыл бұрын

draw weight in crossbows are mostly negated by the short draw length meaning the bolt has only a short period of time to accelerate. a medieval crossbow with over 1000 lb draw weight would be about as effective as a 220 lb draw longbow, which was the highest draw bow found on the Mary Rose.

@genericfakename8197

6 жыл бұрын

wor575 I know that now, but growing up before the internet books led me astray.

@stormelemental13

6 жыл бұрын

It does make fantasy and historical fiction a bit... interesting. And oh my, the movies. >_

@planescaped

6 жыл бұрын

The main advantage of crossbows was that they required very little training to use. A bow required significantly more skill to use right, while any old peasant could be handed a crossbow, a crannequin, and be let loose.

@genericfakename8197

6 жыл бұрын

planescaped I'm not sure I buy that, I know from experience it takes skill to hit anything with a rifle beyond point blank range, a crossbow can't be much easier than a rifle. Beyond being able to hit something with the darn thing a crossbowman needed to know his tools inside out, just as a poor African militiamen needs to know every nook and cranny of an AK-47. A crossbow is a far more complicated piece of machinery than a bow, and would require substantial money and training to maintain as well as use.

*Gunpowder has entered the chat *FullPlateArmor left the chat

@tomhill3248

4 жыл бұрын

No it didn't. gunpowder wasn't powerful enough to stop platemail...well ever actually. Plate mail was used in WW1 in fact.

@baronprocrastination1722

4 жыл бұрын

Reminder that guns existed the same time around plate armor, and the latter persisted well until the 17th century or so.

@tomhill3248

4 жыл бұрын

@@baronprocrastination1722 And it made a comeback in WW1. Germans had plate armor.

@combobulous7044

4 жыл бұрын

Tom Hill the British and french too. There were also some French and US prototype helmets to counter shrapnel that looked straight out of the medieval ages

@rachdarastrix5251

4 жыл бұрын

Modern plate armor is basically just a metal rectangle fitted into the pocket of a vest. It is designed nice and flat so that shots can't glance off.

4:35 Dude is recording this while an actual war breaks out on the background.

@Shero1337

3 жыл бұрын

He's just at a gun range

@pinkestlasagna

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shero1337 r/wooooooosssssshhhhh

@IAm-zo1bo

3 жыл бұрын

@@pinkestlasagna stfu he did get the joke

“Scrotum leather” made my day

@MrBottlecapBill

6 жыл бұрын

I'm kind of wondering where I can get a new scrotum leather jacket.

@Lobito-qz9pz

6 жыл бұрын

That was perfect

@brianmincher716

6 жыл бұрын

One of two literal laugh out loud moments for me watching this one. When he shot twice in the same spot got me too.

@Talostd

5 жыл бұрын

Best insult for crappy leather I have ever heard. Had me laughing out loud.

Held up quite well for being budget plate

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

I was surprised it held so strong under my hammer blows.

@Theduckwebcomics

6 жыл бұрын

They're probably made out of slightly tougher steel than originals. Steel quality is much better now. The only things really "budget" in comparison to originals are the quality of the finish and the fitting. The protective capability is pretty much the same, at least against crossbow bolts.

@MisdirectedSasha

6 жыл бұрын

Better steel, worse craftsmanship. The original breastplate had a solid textile back and much more overlap between plates. Also it is likely (though I'm not sure) that the front plate would have been thicker than the side ones.

@roguishpaladin

6 жыл бұрын

The Churburg 13 is a solid design. A lot comes down to the quality of leather used to hold the metal together, admittedly, but in terms of glancing surfaces, it's pretty good for its time.I would recommend it highly for people who want to doa transitional 1350s reenactment and who don't want to do a coat of plates for whatever reason.

@fabiovarra3698

6 жыл бұрын

tougher maybe but poor tempered from how easy the bolt bent it

*has crossbow bolt embedded halfway through the ribcage* "It obviously hurts... But might not be lethal" Classic viking understatement.

@jules4338

4 жыл бұрын

Overstatement*

@dznuts123

3 жыл бұрын

You still bleed out... adrenaline just wins you some time to run away, but you do that in army, you’d be tried for desertion

@cappuccinosnephew1382

3 жыл бұрын

@jack bauer Yeah but the difference is that most cops use hollow points and those are meant to stop a non armored target more effectively and with less shots to theoretically neutralize the threat faster yet leave a higher chance of survival due to them dropping faster, which leaves less room for a cop to mag dump a suspect if they don't go down, not to mention that they also don't want over penetration, as to not hit any innocent bystanders. In war your average foot soldier will use fmjs because they are the most cost effective to supply, and usually other hostile soldiers are better equipped than a street criminal and usually have body armor, which give a higher chance to penetrate the armor, because it expands less than the hollow point, leaving less surface area overall on the bullet. However, with an fmj, if it passes through an unarmored part of your body, it will usually go straight through, especially with a rifle(barrel length, rifling, grains, and powder in the round) opposed to a pistol.

@RatsFunHouse101

2 жыл бұрын

@@cappuccinosnephew1382 Actually, FMJ’s don’t usually go all the way through unless they’re big rounds like .308, 7.62x39, 7.62x54 etc. The standard 5.56 and 5.45 are designed to penetrate armor but when they hit a torso they typically trail around in the body making a rainbow shape or U shape

9:03 "what are they, scrotum leather?" LMAO

@musclemommyenjoyer

4 жыл бұрын

Keowar hahaha I was looking for this comment

@garrettdavis8272

3 жыл бұрын

This is the only time I’ve heard Skall swear, properly

I can definitely see how crossbow-fire might be able to "soften up" targets for melee. I mean if you create weak points, or holes, in plate armor, you could then proceed to punching a warhammer spike or a spear through that same hole. Won't be easy but it is an additional opening.

@SinerAthin

6 жыл бұрын

I doubt it'd present an opening that's viable enough to become an alternative to the normal method of simply bludgeoning the wearer with a giant polearm or wrestling/capturing them.

@gustavoargumanis1863

4 жыл бұрын

Well, if the armor starts bending/losing plates, it starts losing structural integrity. So, less efficient and even easier for a warhammer or poleaxe to finish the job.

@edwardelric717

4 жыл бұрын

Crossbows and arrows I'm Mediaeval times were not aimed at knights. Remember only the elite could afford amour. The rest of the army wore what ever they could find. Crossbows and bows were for them

@skyworm8006

4 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelric717 Not to mention you wouldn't waste time and ammo on people you can't kill.

@ddm_gamer

4 жыл бұрын

@@edwardelric717 Well there are other armour types that were quite common that are hard to shoot through with arrows

The difference in impact is also important to note. The breastplate spread out the impact across the entire surface of the plate section that is hit, while lamellar, mail scale etc. cannot do this, but the impact is delivered upon the single small section(ring, scale, plate) that is hit.

@Finkeren

6 жыл бұрын

Neutral Fellow having padding underneath still helps dissipate the force enough that it would hardly even bruise, even at that short distance.

@neutralfellow9736

6 жыл бұрын

Yes for the plate, not as much for mail/lamellar/scale. The impact is still focused instead of spread.

The plating looks efficient but I think the secondary blunt force impact is not to be underestimated. Especially around the rib cage. Cool video.

@sunrisejackdaw1779

7 ай бұрын

Does it make someone recoil as it fires? Does the man firing jerk back as thr bolt flies? Then impact effect can be dismissed.

@diverman1023

7 ай бұрын

@@sunrisejackdaw1779that’s not how that works. All the momentum is concentrated in the tip at impact, as you can see in the video how the armor distorts on localized impact. They would also shoot from elevation aiming for the head. So if it hit a weak spot, it would penetrate you body, but if it hit armor it could crack ribs or skull

@sunrisejackdaw1779

6 ай бұрын

@@diverman1023 Clearly, no work is done to bend armor. Clearly, impact transmits through in flagrant defiance of physical law, like sonic weapon from space. When material is bent, energy is used to do work of denting vest. Force acts on whole object, and localized area yes, but indent is minor, unless suddenly armor is bonetight for some reason.

Me: *Shoots the guy with the heaviest armor to help my friends* Guy in heavy armor: "Hey, you ruined my cuirass!" Me: *_Hurriedly runs away while cranking windlass_*

Does an actual red-bearded viking guy comes with the plates as a bundle?

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Available on special order, pick up only. lol PS: Wife is wonderful isn't she. :)

It sounds like Matt from demolition ranch is making a video in the background.

@thomascharky7031

6 жыл бұрын

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@bosknight7837

6 жыл бұрын

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@kazabubu4419

6 жыл бұрын

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@shaundiel9094

6 жыл бұрын

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@nightcoremaster5190

5 жыл бұрын

He probably is, all weaponry KZreadrs are connected in my opinion 😂😂😂

It would be interesting to see, what the impact would do to the wearer underneath all that armor. In modern warfare you often see hits to the chest, wich are completely absorbed by the plate carrier but a large bruise spanning across the entire chest. Would be interesting to see whether or not Crossbow hits have a similar effect

@nazarvaskiv5030

2 жыл бұрын

By judging the review from internet, the blunt damage that target receives can very from not even noticeable to quite deadly, really depends on what hit you and where. If we completely take out the limbs and head, which are softer targets, and focus completely on the chest plate, then something like swords or bows do absolutely no or very little damage. I am sure that maces, especially big one and under correct angle, can potentially deal enough damage to either kill target, break some bones or just deal a lot of pain and damage armour. At the same time I am not sure about spears, but it looks like that they do little damage. At the same time it is quite important to not forget about other targets than torso. Hit to the arms or legs with heavy weapon most definitely will end either fractured or at least make it hurt a lot. I believe that swords and axes can also do that kind of job more or less effective. The head is the least protected place, not because it lacks armour but because the sheer brute force even with something like sword or axe can do some damage, and getting hit by mace in the head will do a lot of damage. P.S. don’t take my word for truth as most of the conclusions I took from videos and by making educated guest.

@diverman1023

7 ай бұрын

I got to fire a heavyweight crossbow a few years ago, and you feel the immense momentum of the bolt as you shoot it. Since it’s all in the tip on impact, it would most definitely be able to crack a skull under a helmet or rib cage under a chest plate

The question I have with some of these crossbows is the practicality of reloading them in the middle of a battle with arrows and rocks flying at you.

@ideallyyours

3 жыл бұрын

It might be easier to have someone behind winding up a spare or two and passing the wound xbows to the shooter. So each shooter would be using 2-3 xbows in circulation if they were going for rate of fire.

@DanielWilliams-oi4ss

3 жыл бұрын

The crossbowman would likely have the greatest accurate range in the battlefield, so they would be trying to stay out of range. Plus the pavise crossbowmen had a huge shield to hide behind in between firing.

@pizzapilgrim6525

2 жыл бұрын

From what I've read most professional crossbowmen had a offsider or two and a big shield they would carry the hide behind while loading and shooting.

@laurajackson1303

2 жыл бұрын

They work in teams. They are usually placed in castles for defense

@Euler271

Жыл бұрын

just buy multiple crossbows :)

"What are those, Scrotum leather?" probably one of the best quotes in any of Skalls videos XD

It would probably be helpful to back up another 10-15 yards. Its hard to see in the video but it looks like the bolts out of the heavy bow are flying a little squirrely. That is likely contributing greatly to them breaking at the shoulder. Backing up with hopefully let them straighten out a bit before impact.

@maxjenkinson9870

6 жыл бұрын

^^^^

@HeadCannonPrime

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking something similar. Also they all curve to the lower right it seems.

@slenderman27490

6 жыл бұрын

Breaking the arrow could be usefull back in the day, as the same arrow could not be fired back.

Man it's good to see these old crossbows in action with those crazy draw weights. Having seen them hanging on wall in various castles I always wondered how they'd perform. Thanks for the uploads and testing.

Thank you again so much for these wonderfully detailed videos. They go a VERY long way in helping me to properly adjust the weapon's damage vs. armor type charts in my game... :)

So if the lamellar lames were a little bit thicker and the material used to hold it together was of better quality, it may have very well been pretty good armor.

@steirqwe7956

4 жыл бұрын

This is basically how brigandine was invented.

@lanceleonard3079

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, I agree. Skall is very upfront on the budget quality of that particular lamellar. better quality leather cords and even just slightly thicker plates would have been better.

"I have a budget" *buys one thousand dollar swords*

Fun Fact: scrotum leather is actually quite tough. My doctor told me that when I got burns on mine.

@joshstock6591

3 жыл бұрын

Please tell the story.

@joshstock6591

3 жыл бұрын

I like to imagine you were "making love" very vigorously and started a fire.

@uniwasamistake6334

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshstock6591 Guess the damn doctor didn't keep the promise that he won't make my story a fireside tale.

@joshstock6591

3 жыл бұрын

@@uniwasamistake6334 Bahaha! Love your sense of humor friend!

@troubadourperegrinus

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshstock6591 we didn't start the fire. It was always burning since the world's been turning.

Thanks for these types of videos, medieval weapons vs medieval armor vids

The power of the heavy crossbow seems a little disappointing imo

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Its not so much. The thing is crazy powerful. So powerful it even has some kick to it, and its painfully loud too.

@shrekas2966

6 жыл бұрын

seklay What are you talking about? Both plate and lamellar are great against bows and crossbows. It doesent matter how strong the crossbow is, it wont penetrate that armour that was supposed to protect against them.

@vane909090

6 жыл бұрын

I wish the Stronghold devs would know this. Seeing crossbowmen annihilate full-plate swordsmen with metal shields is funny af.

@shrekas2966

6 жыл бұрын

Adam B There wasnt full plate and metal shields in those times but hey

@vane909090

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe, but they did it anyway lol. Look how the swordsman and knight units are in full plate or at least half-plate, not sure. But they're covered in plate is all I remember and are also very slow moving.

That black armour looks rad as hell.

@mohammedfachrydwihandoko7557

4 жыл бұрын

Username checks out

Great video. That is incredible armour : I couldn't believe what it would withstand. Excellent camera work. You can see how much impact the padding absorbs. It's like trying to knock a nail in through a wad of felt. Very informative .

I’ve been so pleased with this crossbow

This is Thrand! Excellent testing :)

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Thrand. Someone recommended we test a grenade on it. What do you think about that?

@ThegnThrand

6 жыл бұрын

Tried that KZread was not impressed lol

@austinosburn2081

6 жыл бұрын

Shots fired. XD Glad you're back Thrand.

@krossco

6 жыл бұрын

should test the dane axe on it

@GumaroRVillamil

6 жыл бұрын

Friis Forge I don't know, would it be holy and from Antioch?

So to sum up, wearing a decent armor back then secured you having a good time.

@qwertyzxcvbn6929

6 жыл бұрын

yes not dying is quite fun you can imagine how enthusiastic nobles are with their far superior armor while the peasants grumbled over how unfair it is that the rich people are really hard to kill

@jorge69696

6 жыл бұрын

And yet, 3 unarmored peasants were capable of taking you down and stabbing you in the face or armpits.

@RinKokonoe

6 жыл бұрын

Well going into war and getting shot by crossbows might not be the most fun thing but it'll at least secure you having a less shitty time

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. That armor took a pounding.

@stormelemental13

6 жыл бұрын

Makes sense why you'd buy the best kit possible. Difference between happy looting time and dying in agony is a well made breastplate.

Watching these helps me understand crossbows, and i'm trying to draw them for a comic i want to make. It's quite helpful, thanks for posting these videos.

Digging this back up after Tod's Workshop's fantastic video with longbows. This is amazing. I really appreciate these videos that aren't afraid to break armor.

@Teeniebfable

4 жыл бұрын

I’m here after Tods Windlass crossbow video

What was the likelihood that in period they would have used such cheap leather lace for the lamellar? As opposed to higher quality cordage? Even sisal would function better IMO. And we know from historical finds that cordage post 10th century was quite versatile and rugged. Regardless. This was a really good test. Thank you for the demonstration. I know now what to avoid when armor shopping.

@truewhissan

4 жыл бұрын

He said outright he had a tight budget, but your point is indeed valid.

" What are those!? Scrotum Leather!? " -Skallagrim 2017. Best thing I have heard all year, that Quote made my crappy day better.

Thanks for the Video, interesting to see my favorite armor from mount and blade under crossbow fire

Might not be "perfect", but I really appreciate seeing this kind of testing. It's close enough for me! Keep up the great vids, Skall.

From the arrow designer's standpoint, the challenge to creating an arrow capable of piercing armor like this is to make its diameter as narrow as possible so that the area of metal it has to punch through is minimized. The arrow's tip should be made of metal at least as tough and hard as the armor, and its geometry should be such that it is able to retain its shape so that it retains its mechanical advantage. Also, the tip's broadest point should be slightly broader than the broadest point of the arrow shaft so that the tip makes a hole in the armor large enough for the shaft to pass through without rubbing against the entry hole walls. I would suggest that an arrow or bolt with a tip made of hardened steel that resembles the head of a philips head screwdriver might be optimal, and attaching it to the shaft with a tang and socket would be superior to the socket-only method of attachment.

So Skallagrim, I know this may be a wee off topic.... but that looks like an invasive plant behind you (at 1:00). Would you consider reporting it? If I am not mistaken you live in BC, where Himalayan blackberry (that thorny shrub) tends to be a problem.

@fruit5003

6 жыл бұрын

Skall's fans are the most precise ones (except pommel "comedians")

@kahootznorris7718

6 жыл бұрын

Fruit500 To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand POMMEL jokes... 😎

@fruit5003

6 жыл бұрын

+kahootz norris True, humor is extremely subtle and without a solid grasp of HEMA most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head

@fruit5003

6 жыл бұрын

+Dave Walker I guess it's there to reflect sword's hits coming to head

@CZProtton

6 жыл бұрын

Not too commonly, but commonly enough. It was there to deflect lances and thrusts coming in, so they do not slip up against the throat. It was replaced later by a plate that covered the neck. This cuirass is from a period where plates just started, so noone thought of the throat cover or maybe they did not have the technology handled just yet to make those.

Literally the only good crossbow vs armour video on KZread. Even other good KZreadrs will use modern crossbows, not historically accurate ones, thanks for actually trying to make a good test

I watched this again after an argument with a friend of mine. This video is still spot on In 2022. There was a reason for plate armour.

I LOVE these crossbow shooting videos

It was too bad about how dark it got. The gods were not on our side that day, between batteries and sd cards and the ever receding sun i'm glad we got as much done as we did. lol

@dakilla123

6 жыл бұрын

Axtually it didn't look to bad for me. Anf y'all did a fine job with what ya had. By the way, maybe u could try make some armors, you could probably make better armor than these 2. Just don't use the scrotem leather XD

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Totally. It is something I am looking into. As my tooling expands I can make new and cooler things. I just picked up a new welder (hopefully get to unbox it today) and with that I will have the ability to create and design my own armoring forge, among other things. Creating plate armor is most definitely on the to do list.

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

Giant Mountain Dwarf. lol

@Peregrino1611

6 жыл бұрын

Friis Forge the gods? 1 God...

@Friidom2

6 жыл бұрын

One god may be enough where you are from, the Northmen have a need of many. Odin, Thor, Balder, Freya, Tyr, Heimdall, Loki just to name a few.

Nice video, I have been wanting to see medieval style armour tested against the weapons of the time for a long time. I'd love to see the test vs modern compound bows and crossbows.

Thanks for this research! Very educational.

"There's not much point" Very punny! :)

At 9:28 NOW THAT'S A LOTTA DAMAGE i hate myself for that

@fruit5003

6 жыл бұрын

_HOW 'BOUT A LITTLE MORE_

@joaootaviosa4870

6 жыл бұрын

The meme is spreading. Echcellent.

What I took away from this is that you have wicked crossbow skills

I love these videos it puts more perspective that armor was a lot more durable and stronger then what people made it to be

7:26 Poor Robb Stark. That bastard Frey shot him without armor on, it must've been painful.

@johnkongsaisy7014

4 жыл бұрын

He had plates in his coat if im not wrong

@Tempusverum

3 жыл бұрын

John Kongsaisy Nope. Roose Bolton had chainmail, Rob had nothing.

8:45 Plates in lamellar armor often were just around 1mm thick. So this is historically accurate.

@tedarcher9120

6 жыл бұрын

yeah, but they do overlap quite a bit, No chance against blunt shock tho

@fabiovarra3698

6 жыл бұрын

but i think the plates were much more firmly attached to be effective

@kamilszadkowski8864

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, most likely.

@edi9892

6 жыл бұрын

Also, late lamellar armour or brigandines were occasionally made from plate-armour that didn't hold up to modern firearms.

@kamilszadkowski8864

6 жыл бұрын

+edi Wait, what?

Love your vids never stop do some more armor testing plz

I like your testing and how well you describe it and how you try do it accurately. I'd be interested in making armour for you to test

I dub this breastplate, "Bolt Breaker!" Let all ye who dare attempt to shoot at it suffer from the most inconveniently broken bolts!

@utterlyhollow5377

6 жыл бұрын

And his sidekick, scrotum leather!

@ShiryuCain

6 жыл бұрын

Jolly Jester all craftsmanship is of the highest quality. It is made in pig iron and chrysoberyl. It menaces with spikes of chrysoberyl.

@foobar201

6 жыл бұрын

On the item is an image of Avafi Hawkdrum the elf and Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth the bronze colossus in red panda leather. Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth is striking down Avafi Hawkdrum. The artwork relates to the killing of the elf Avafi Hawkdrum buy the bronze colossus Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Eath in Pulledmenaced in the Euphoric Hills in the early autumn of 62 during the Rampage of the bronze colossus Otung Castlechucked the Frenzy of Earth in Pulledmenaced.

@ShiryuCain

6 жыл бұрын

that really does sound like something that happened. For the only fortress I did, the major menace were carnivorous possessed deers.

@foobar201

6 жыл бұрын

It's literally the description of a recent artifact crown I got. I'll have to keep an eye on that bronze colossus situation, last fortress a named Roc that was depicted everywhere murdering goblins actually showed up...

By the time armor reached that level of tech, gunpowder was being introduced into European warfare. :) Interesting presentation. Well done!

I love these armour test really shows what weapons were the most lethal.

Okay, this is an old video, but it's also really worth mentioning this is firing at them at a 90 degree angle. Anyone who knows how projectile penetration works can tell you if the person you shot at was angled slightly before impact, it's much more likely to deflect off the armour. Combat isn't usually under ideal conditions, at close range, with no angling.

It's actually fascinating how much damage it does to the armor still. It not only shows us how a lot of men lived to fight so many battles, but also how men in armor would fall - imagine being hit with bolts over the course of an engagement, or while you're on full charge forward.

When you hammered a knight and then he responded by "do you even lift brooo"

@themanthemyth4522

3 жыл бұрын

"Dost thou even hoist brother"

Despite all the drawbacks and reservations regarding the test armours, i think this greatly shows why pple bothered wearing and developing armour. Even at worst, armour still reduced the chance of fatal injury a whole lot! Thank you for the great vid! (Y)

in regards to the deformation, in jousting in mild steel armour i have had more serious dents on several occasions and they did not make for much issues at all dents like that to helmets sometimes mean the vision slit is moved and that can interfere with vision, but that is about it. but it is really interesting to see that armour that is 'thinner than most originals' and 'soften than most originals' effectively stops this. (for the comparison, the Avant armour is 4 mm hardened steel even in the fauld lames in the middle of the front)

That's why arquebuses were introduced. Even though they were very unwieldy and absurd in reloading, they were still a highly efficient can opener in a battle with cans on both sides, where using other weapons basically meant bashing your opponent until he gets exhausted.

Fix those holes with flex seal and BAM good as new

@user-rx2zp1um2n

5 жыл бұрын

Pikachooo make the backing and cord out of flex tape. Behold; The Absolute Unit, a set of metal lamellar so durable it’s said it can even break katanas on its surface

Great vid! Very interesting results.

Excellent video. Thanks for putting it together. The lamellar did much better then I expected it do. Perhaps another video with this crossbow and chain mail over gambeson?

People often forget that whatever you can make weapons with, you can use that to make armor. When the weapon and the target are made of the same material, sharp instruments are vastly less effective. Shaping a piece of steel into the shape of a katana does not make it any any stronger. Weapon against armor is actually very much like bare hand versus no armor. Thinking that a sword can cut through metal armor is like saying you can punch someone through the chest.

@qwertyzxcvbn6929

6 жыл бұрын

To be accurate different types of metal fare better as weapons and armor. Hardened Steel is considered optimal for armor while tempering is generally preferable to swords/blades which usually requires a fair amount of flex unless it's meant to be a thrusting sword in which case it has to be very stiff.

@suelviana1982

5 жыл бұрын

Obsidiam armor...

Knights were basically medieval tanks, one on one with them you're screwed

@deathbyastonishment7930

6 жыл бұрын

1 007 Your only option is to run the fuck away

@Finkeren

6 жыл бұрын

Tanks are breakthrough weapons, knights are generally shitty at creating breakthroughs - though they are good at exploiting them. Just as with tanks it’s all about immobilizing them, isolating them and then it’s all about defeat in detail. Kill his horse, break his leg and he is done. It was done at Courtrai without the use of longbows or crossbows, just a diciplined town militia with wooden clubs and a spike on top.

@planescaped

6 жыл бұрын

Most of the time knights were taken out by a group of regular soldiers/peasants surrounding them, tackling them to the ground/dehorsing them, and then sticking them everywhere. That'd be a bad way to go.

@nikitab.6600

6 жыл бұрын

Finkeren if you are talking about the Flemish, they where seriously well armoured themselves.

@Finkeren

6 жыл бұрын

Nikita Blagodarov everyone in the front line of battle were armored at that time. Even the peasants at Visby (though that is a bit later) wore armor. The point is, that it was a town militia on foot defeating mounted knights in close combat.

This very interesting and informative video. I was under the impression the bolt would pass through the armor. What people are not taking into consideration that the a big dent in the armor will result in the wearer getting a broken sternum or rib.

This is the exact breast and back plate design I built for S.C.A. combat in the early 80's. It never dented and served me well during the several years that I did heavy weapons combat.

Wow, pretty effective. Of course crossbows don't have pommels so it's not fair.

@fruit5003

6 жыл бұрын

Lever could work as a pommel tho

@Thenotfunnyperson

5 жыл бұрын

@@fruit5003 Need a pommel

After seeing how the armor performed, I would literally be okay with wearing it to see how it felt and share my experience

@jaxelt1

2 жыл бұрын

Until he misses the armor 😅

Even if it not accurate historical replica's of armour, this test is pretty great.

Someone in the background is bucking some rounds off :) btw, great video! Love your channel. Currently binge watching lol.

I lost my faith in crossbows , you literally can defend yourself with a aluminum fry pan...

@rufanistbessrr2010

4 жыл бұрын

Look youtube broadheads vs steel barrel and say it again 🙄

@nicodovahkin8822

4 жыл бұрын

tell that to the riot shields that got wrecked by bows

@nostromo9743

4 жыл бұрын

just aim for the nuts dude

@Beuwen_The_Dragon

4 жыл бұрын

Older Crossbows are brilliant for defending upon castle Walls.. Less so for soldiers on the ground, without protection.

@Daylon91

3 жыл бұрын

Medieval crossbows are terribly inefficient due to the amount of drag and low draw length. Modern crossbows are on par with compound bows so no comparison there.

“That’s a lot of damage.”

A volley of that would hurt really bad even with the finest plate armor

Hey Skal, have you heard about armor made of paper and resin? I saw something about a type of armor made this way, which supposedly was able to stop crossbow bolts perfectly. It sounds crazy, but then sometimes crazy things work out better than you'd think. I believe the idea was that the multiple layers of paper cause a lot of friction, slowing the bolt dramatically as it hits, kind of like shooting through a book.

Pffff, it might help against some stupid arrows, BUT DO YOU KNOW THAT A WELL SHARPENED KOJIMA CAN CUT A KNIGHT SITTING IN A TANK IN HALF!?!11

@Amoogus

6 жыл бұрын

NANI!?!?!

@imasiontist653

6 жыл бұрын

Zeratul Rus man Kojima is a weapon too!? That man can do everything!

@JS-kf9ee

4 жыл бұрын

Lmao a knight sitting in a tank

Gregor "the mountain" clegane w full plate armor. with 2 handed broad sword ...GG

@shun2240

4 жыл бұрын

Just tire him out, his stamina will be shit with that armor and huge physique of his

Hey Skall, love your videos, and yes the Lamellar you're using would somewhat be the correct gauge, although they would use somewhere between 18-20 gauge. But with the fact, that if those cheap cords didn't break, or if you managed to connect them through, and manage to have it fully on tight, like if it was on a punching bob for example, then the armor could hold up even better than it did in the video.

Skallagrim, 4:00 You can see you are looking at the wrong impact. It actually punctured through the tape right and above where you thought it hit, which was in fact always there as you can see in the slow motion impact footage. If I recall the hit you actually pointed out was the very first shot from the light crossbow on the first day of shooting. So really the heavy windlass crossbow inflicted a brutal hit that not only sank the armor in but had decent penetration before the vibrations snapped the head off.

1:46 I laughed too hard at this. It's the simple things that do it. Lol

Interesting. The Breastplate fared better than I ever thought it would. I wouldn't wear something of that gauge for reenactment.

@kamilszadkowski8864

6 жыл бұрын

Why not? And BTW, what period are you reenacting?

@richstone2627

6 жыл бұрын

I reenact from the Migration Era to U.S. Vietnam. We do full contact fighting with blunts so 14 ga plate and even 12 ga Helms are used. When we do the Viking Age we add several layers of thick wool under our mail shirts much like what has been found in a couple digs. You could get away with 16 ga if you're not going full force but we don't pull any blows.

@kamilszadkowski8864

6 жыл бұрын

I'm reenacting an early XV century knight and I often participate in bohurts and duels. I actually know people who use 18 gauge plates. I actually use 18 gauge greaves. In XV century reenactment we have the privilege of using tempered plates for some parts of armour (it wasn't too widespread so one must be careful to not overuse this). I assume that when you speak about the thickness you mostly refer to helmets which are usually thicker than any other part of the armour.

@richstone2627

6 жыл бұрын

Yes the Helm is thicker. I'm surprised you're using 18 ga but then again it's tempered and that makes all the difference. Our plate isn't tempered so we needs to thicker. Are you in the U.S. ? I ask because I know tempered plate is used more in Europe but it's catching on here (U.S.)

@kamilszadkowski8864

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, my greaves aren't tempered. But you rarely get hit in that area. Nope. I live in Europe

I've come back, because I was assessing how bows and armor work in Bannerlord. Between your video, Tod's workshop, Thrand and a couple others it really gives a better understanding of what bows can actually do to various armors. I can't see archers at a safe enough distance from the enemy, with lightweight bows, being able to do much to men with maille and decent gambeson or aketon underneath, unless an arrow hits a gap that the armor doesn't protect or eyeslit on a helmet. Tod with a light crossbow and Thrand with 105lb longbow were able to penetrate maille and layered cloth with bodkins but at fairly close range--the kind of range that wouldn't be feasible in a battle. By the time footmen would be upon the archers they would be switching to melee themselves, or running, if not routing long before that.

I don't know how I got here, but I'm liking it