"Medicine is WITCHCRAFT!" | Talk Heathen: Throwback
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At first I thought this caller was going to be another bad one, but then I changed my mind when he respectfully listened to the host and was polite....and then all of my charitable thoughts towards him went right out the window when he said that people should pray instead of going to the doctor, one of the most dangerous and deadly religious beliefs ever conceived!
@franciscosustek7249
2 ай бұрын
No problem if HE does it...natural selection at play
@petermeichan3160
2 ай бұрын
@@franciscosustek7249 dmn, beat me to it
@B4LLB49
2 ай бұрын
@@franciscosustek7249exactly, we should encourage all religious people to stick to prayer instead of going to the doctors. Because modern medicine is clearly the devil. 😂
@spencergreen9415
2 ай бұрын
@@B4LLB49 Just don't keep their children from medicine
@DonnaPrather1057
2 ай бұрын
I worked in ER. These people WILL keep their kids from a Doc, but if they break a leg, they’ll be first in line, screaming for a Doctor!
“It’s hard to explain it to someone who doesn’t already believe” RED FLAG
@isonlynameleft
2 ай бұрын
One of the reasons I stopped being religious. I realized there was no way to prove it to someone else unless they already believed it. That's a problem.
@linrepboras
2 ай бұрын
Good one. Also "In my personal opinion the spritual world is more realistic then the physical world" Well then, how does the spiritual world feed, house, enable travelling, pay taxes and fees, make it possible to phone Talk Heathen (or anyone)? Faith alone enables all of this?
@tonyclements1147
2 ай бұрын
Too bad faith can’t heal an Alzheimer’s or Parkinson’s sufferer, or anything else really.
@linrepboras
2 ай бұрын
@@tonyclements1147 Blisters?
@kriss3d
2 ай бұрын
Thats the whole point of having to explain something. And thats where facts differs from beliefs. You can always explain things that are facts because you can explain how we reached that conclusion. With beliefs you cant.
"What is magic?" "It's a form of magic" Brilliant.
@AquaPeet
2 ай бұрын
Yeah..... (in the store) Where's the salt? Next to the pepper? Oh great, but I don't know were the pepper is.... Well duh, it's next to the salt.....
@levitaggart5943
2 ай бұрын
@@AquaPeetThat made me laugh. The absurd nature of such a conversation is kind of funny.
@franciscosustek7249
2 ай бұрын
Genious
@deanromanado5850
2 ай бұрын
I'm guessing that is beyond a second grade understanding
@zoggdawg8141
2 ай бұрын
@@deanromanado5850 That's a stretch.
My man heard the phrase "the magic of filmmaking" one time and decided to take it personally
@cavecookie1
2 ай бұрын
Somebody needs to explain to him that a large component of movie magic is the suspension of disbelief!
Traci is my absolute favorite. She can really hammer down a point in a calm and relaxed manner.
@chrisccc22
2 ай бұрын
In my opinion, the very best host to watch. Always great counterpoints, sharp, and very quick. I would love to see her make the rounds again.
@greeneyedlady5580
2 ай бұрын
@@chrisccc22 So would I.
@wizardsuth
2 ай бұрын
She's very good at undermining poor arguments, usually by questioning the caller's assumptions.
@CyberBeep_kenshi
2 ай бұрын
Same. She listens, and can then suddenly come with a very short question that immediately shows the issue. Like 'Do you have an example of nothing?" She is a very smart lady.
@brandonchristian6681
Ай бұрын
@chrisccc22 yeah! Where did she go?
Tracie is brilliant. I love this woman.
medicine is more valuable to humanity than an imaginary friend
@jiubboatman9352
2 ай бұрын
Yes, even if the effect is placebo it can be demonstrated to work better than religious belief. Which truly demonstrates the utility of religious belief when it comes to illness.
@user-qq2vq4fv8b
2 ай бұрын
@@jiubboatman9352 ????
@jiubboatman9352
2 ай бұрын
@@user-qq2vq4fv8b People taking placebo's can be seen to have an improvement in their condition. It does not solve the underlying issue but how the brain percievs and moderates the sensations from that condition. Prayer, meditation, family all have similar effects. But if prayer is affective as sugar water, what does that say about the power of a god?
Interesting that this was posted just as I was getting out from gallbladder surgery. The witches did a good job on me here at the hospital.
@joelpartee594
2 ай бұрын
Blessed Bladder Be!
@blackzilian
2 ай бұрын
I watched while recovering from a brutal bout with salmonella. Never eating at that pizza spot again. 🤢🤮😵 The witch doctors poked me with a tiny stick, they then put a potion into my body and, INSTANTLY! In a blink, I awoke with no more pain. I felt as though I was in heaven. 😇 The potion was something magical called, “morphine”. 🥴 Then they sent me home with another healing concoction, in pill form, called, “antibiotics”. From the isles of, “ciprofloxacin”. The spell has been broken!
5:11 people like Juan fascinate me. The world they live in has literal magic everywhere and seemingly everyone is out to get them.
Just how broken was the educational system that someone like Juan exists in the 21st century. The last 500 years plus of human progress has completely bypassed him.
@GaryRine
2 ай бұрын
all learning can be undone with enough religious indoctrination..... these MAGAts will be burning 'witches' as soon as they have enough power.....
@pollypockets508
2 ай бұрын
Stop blaming the schools. They are doing the best they can.
@user-qq2vq4fv8b
2 ай бұрын
@@pollypockets508 they are obviously doing a very poor job . This comes from those who advocate teaching the bible in schools and elevating it to the importance of science.
@highroller-jq3ix
2 ай бұрын
This poor, batshit being is not a representative outcome of standard education.
@TAPSDOC
2 ай бұрын
Was he homeschooled?
We miss you, Tracie!
Love it when people use terms with frequency yet can’t define them
@Metaljacket420
2 ай бұрын
That's very woke of you.
@canbest7668
2 ай бұрын
@@Metaljacket420 not really. Just a fact based observation.
@pelgrim8640
2 ай бұрын
@@canbest7668 The funny thing is that frequency is actually one of those words :p
@johnferry7778
2 ай бұрын
@@pelgrim8640I was thinking the same thing. “Vibrations” is another one.
@tatybara
2 ай бұрын
@@Metaljacket420 define woke
ah! the argument from cartoons...
@j-bob_oreo
2 ай бұрын
snow white was real ! seriosuly no one tell this dude that chemisrty came from alchamey
@Godless_Doc
2 ай бұрын
I laughed way too hard at this.
The reason it’s so hard to define “spiritual” is that it’s usually used to represent a nonsense concept.
@pollypockets508
2 ай бұрын
I don't remember how I used to define it when I was a Christian. It's about feelings I think.
Tracy was really the best, she knew how to boil these conversations down to their core components to expose the nonsense.
@CyberBeep_kenshi
2 ай бұрын
ye she is basically my rolemodel in conversations. she is Really good.
When reading the title my thought was "I got to hear this." Not disappointed, that's some funny claims. I think Juan could make one heck of a comedian with that material.
@petermeichan3160
2 ай бұрын
he sounds more like a republican maga nutbag
Kids, stay in school and make you sure you don't drop chemistry or biology.
I’m a 9th degree wizard in pharmacology because every time I partake in the voodoo arts of viagra, I get a rock hard magic wand !
@wizardsuth
2 ай бұрын
Taking a potion isn't wizardry.
@rightpa
2 ай бұрын
But carrying an awesome staff is.
I’m surprised this dude can operate a phone
@stevewhite6861
2 ай бұрын
Don't forget it is magic and demons doing it all.
@dancedecker
2 ай бұрын
His carer or ward matron probably dialled the number for him and then they put different coloured 'Post It' notes on which bit to talk into and which bit you listened with. Aww, bless. Lol.
@drooten
2 ай бұрын
How the telephone works according to the caller: A magical device that allows communication with something you can't see.
and this guy VOTES !!!!
@xaenon
2 ай бұрын
He can vote, and the REPUBLICANS WANT HIM.
@gitbuckets
2 ай бұрын
Religiously
@ShellyZadorozny-cb2cg
2 ай бұрын
He can but does he? I hope not
@user-qq2vq4fv8b
2 ай бұрын
@ShellyZadorozny-cb2cg judging by the popularity of MAGA , l would have to say , probably.
I've heard some insane crap on these shows but this one takes the prize. This is exactly what conspiracy theorists sounds like.
@happyninja42
2 ай бұрын
that's because this person is a conspiracy theorist, so....yeah that tracks.
@elel9640
2 ай бұрын
Every, and I do mean EVERY, conspiracy theorist I've ever met began with religion. Next time someone says something about the mind-controlling-illuminati-lizard- people, ask them about God. Dollars to donuts says they are also religious.
"That guy's brain is a bag full of cats." - Bruce Banner
@JustReed
Ай бұрын
And there chasing each other.
If medicine is witchcraft what is pretending to eat the flash and drink the blood of a character from a book considered?
@petermeichan3160
2 ай бұрын
cannibalisim ?
@RobertSmith-gx3mi
2 ай бұрын
@@petermeichan3160 Take and eat this is my flesh, yes Cannibalism. And before you ask, Take And drink of my blood, that's mock Vampirism
@petermeichan3160
2 ай бұрын
@@RobertSmith-gx3mi nah, Vampiries are very real
@RobertSmith-gx3mi
2 ай бұрын
@@petermeichan3160 I've never met any vampires. Must be that garlic underwear I like to wear that keeps them away
@petermeichan3160
2 ай бұрын
@@RobertSmith-gx3mi Garlic's myth, its has no effect
Bro is calling from the castlevania village working for the bishop.
@aidanabregov1412
2 ай бұрын
Bout to bring back Dracula and damn his soul
@VildhjartaFanGurl
2 ай бұрын
@aidanabregov1412 these are just medicinal herbs and a bunsen burner! Exactly. Witchcraft. Burn everything. Including her.
"I can't be having with this!" (Granny Weatherwax)
How do you believe something and not know what it is? Religious people are strange lol
I miss Tracy , such a good communicator
@CyberBeep_kenshi
2 ай бұрын
Watching her actually helped me become better in conversations. Genuinely
“To someone with faith, no explanation is necessary. To someone without faith, no explanation is possible.” -- Thomas Aquinas. (Translation: If you’re gullible, you’ll believe it. If you require evidence, too bad, there isn’t any.)
As Gloria Pritchard would say, "This guy is loco for Loco Puffs."
You've just got to love the effort and patience the hosts put into trying to make the inane gibbering at least vaguely relevant or coherent, real up hill battle.
I can tell him pain is 💯 real I was in an accident 30 years ago and my leg was nearly severed all the way through and both bones had multiple breaks That pain was as real as it gets and I'm very happy that there was WITCHCRAFT and nurses I mean WITCHES to help control the pain cuz it was awful.
We are not supposed to make fun of crazy people... We are not supposed to make fun of crazy people... We are not supposed to make fun of crazy people... We are not supposed to make fun of crazy people...
@kimsland999
2 ай бұрын
😁
@OnASeasideMission
2 ай бұрын
OUAT there were places where rich people could go to be entertained by the 'lunaticks'. Now it's free on KZread. Hooray for progress.
extremely big Random Medieval Villager energy
@isaoblack987
2 ай бұрын
Did she turn them into a newt?
@elel9640
2 ай бұрын
@isaoblack987 they got better...
@minmo2288
2 ай бұрын
@@elel9640they dressed me up like this
@elel9640
2 ай бұрын
@@minmo2288 well.... we did do the nose.... and the hat... but she is a witch!!
Glad to see Traci back at it!
@bsears85
2 ай бұрын
You do realize this is from 2018, right?
@protonman8947
2 ай бұрын
@@bsears85 No I didn't but thanks for the heads up. Traci is missed.
@bsears85
2 ай бұрын
@@protonman8947 I completely agree
@paulo.8899
2 ай бұрын
If Recovering From Religion needs to fund raise like a billion dollars, they need to bring back Tracie for one night only
The most detestable responses from Christians when a baby is dying or has some serious health problem are; you must have sinned against god so he punishing you baby for your sin; or you mist have sinned against god while still in the womb and you are being punished; a variation of that is that you will commit an unforgivable sin later in your life so god is punishing you now. Having heard something like that said to someone, and having someone say it to me, I know it happens and the people who say things like that do it so smugly, judgmentally, and with the belief they are right and it's their duty to tell you. They are cruel monsters.
I can't describe the silly. I need a drink.
Psst, Juan, wanna buy some magic?
I can imagine a bunch of witches in the back of a pharmacy sturing a black pot riding a broomstick back and forth delivering aspirin, antibiotics to the front desk for customers. And now you know the rest of the story.
Tracie is an amazing communicator!
Magic is to bring about a change consciously or unconsciously with the conformity of will
It’s just magically delicious 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey nice to see Tracy. And our first doctors were actually witchdoctors.. Women in the tribe knew healing herbs and medicines from ancient times.. And when plagues came along they were then blamed for deaths so hence started wanting to kill the witches.
To argue with someone who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead. Thomas Paine
Lets all agree.. Religious people should only use prayer and never visit a doctor again. If your god wants you to get better….survive getting children or whatever…you will. If not…its gods will…and we can’t go against that. This would reduce the cost off healthcare a lot and leaves only normal thinking people in the planet.
@gauge6513
2 ай бұрын
My brother in law had an heart attack. My sister prayed and claimed God saved him. Funny thing is they drove him to a hospital not his church. Christians are idiots.
@xaenon
2 ай бұрын
Never underestimate the power of religious people to invent a lame, bullshit excuse. It's all they really have, after all.
@wizardsuth
2 ай бұрын
Some religious groups subscribe to that idea, which unfortunately means they have higher infant mortality, and they remain unvaccinated, which causes epidemics. They actually increase the net cost of health care by spreading disease.
Ah hell yeah! Bro living life like it's Harry Potter everyday lol
This video is the form of a video. That makes all the sense in the world. Who doesn't know you cannot define a word by using that same word? I mean other than this guy?
Juan is right about pharmaceuticals every commercial says you're going to get lung infections sudden death a whole host of problems
@emoryogglethorp8180
2 ай бұрын
How does having well understood side effects make them literal freaking magic? Oh your God, what a childish mindset LOL
Basic pharmacology was about 40 years ago for me but I think Tylenol affects prostaglandins. But maybe there are some newfangled, magical spells related to the mechanism of action of Tylenol that I’m not up to date on.
Define: vegetable Is a carrot a vegetable? No, it's a tuber. Lettuce? No, it's an annual leaf. Onion? No, it's a bulb. Celery? A stalk. Tomato? A fruit. You must define words. Vegetable has meaning, but it's not what most people think it is.
@larryscarr3897
2 ай бұрын
???? All plants are vegetation, a carrots is a vegetable, tuber is the type of vegetable.. fruit is also vegetable, the distinction is colloquial, not substantive.
@wizardsuth
2 ай бұрын
@@larryscarr3897 It depends on context. If you're contrasting with animal and mineral, all plants are vegetable. If you're distinguishing between types of plants, then carrots, potatoes, lettuce, onions, and celery are all vegetables, but tomatoes are fruit (more specifically berries). The difference is that fruits develop from flowers and contain seeds.
@larryscarr3897
2 ай бұрын
@@wizardsuth yea I know... but the distinction is pointless in life as peppers, don't go in the fruit section. Life never fits in human categories. Even something as simple as fruit and vegetables.. We don't even have a definite line between plant, and fungus/fungus and animal..even some single cell organisms band together and act like multi cell animals.. Biology doesn't care about our categories.
@advorak8529
2 ай бұрын
@@larryscarr3897Try that with a bathroom disordered anti-trans person. They insist there is only male and female, despite all the evidence for mixups and mixings and biology not caring for their definitions…
Has magic explained to him as nothing. But then continues to think as if magic is real.
It's amazing how incredibly proud people can be, of being incredibly stupid.
His family needs to intervene in his life and get him some help.
the alley scenario is an evolutionary aspect of danger. if the danger is there and ignored, you might not pass on your genetic material. if the percieved danger proves to be not there, there is no loss but an experience learned. if the danger is there and real and you face it, it might harm you or you it, if you flee and escape the danger, another lesson is learned.
Sixth sense and intuition maybe a process of reaching some snap conclusion and instinct could be a snap decision followed by an instant action or reaction.
"Anything I don't understand and am afraid of is WITCHCRAFT!" i heard this all growing up southern baptist. yu-gi-oh, magic the gathering, harry potter, pokemon, science (but ONLY evoloution and big bang cosmology), pg-13 moives regardless of content or context, other religions including other christian denominations (ESPECIALLY catholics XD ), poetry that isn't about or doesn't give glory to god, Michael Crichton, Democrats, cable television (regardless of channel and programming), black people (lord unlearning racism was one of the best things i ever did), asian languages, diseny movies (specifically those not showing european cultures (they HATED alladin), rock and roll (which means ANY non classical or non jazz genres, this includes hip hop, edm, and the blues) and...well, i could go on, but i'd be here all day and night typing XD
@Aaron-my9zy
2 ай бұрын
Holy shit, they even taught their kids to be racist? fucking hell...
@tonyclements1147
2 ай бұрын
I still hear it occasionally living in the Bible Belt. It’s baffling how people can have thought processes like that considering the internet exists.
@Taylor-vz4ot
2 ай бұрын
@@tonyclements1147 they HAVE to think that way, otherwise the veil drops and they expose themselves to themselves as ignorant and hateful, two things Christians screech fervently about being against 😂
@advorak8529
2 ай бұрын
@@tonyclements1147The capacity of human beings to accept many mutually exclusive claims at the same time is astonishing. Even an Electric Monk can only manage so many at a time.
"Have to believe we are magic, nothing can stand in our way"... not!
Wow! This is so ridiculous!
@doneestoner9945
2 ай бұрын
Yea. It's crazy !
@kimsland999
2 ай бұрын
Its childish, its like this caller never grew up.
If medicine is magic from hell. Satan deserves an apology
The hypothetical baby born with cancer would like a word....
It's always shocking to me when someone actually changes their mind based on information.
@Leith_Crowther
2 ай бұрын
It shouldn’t be. We do that lots and lots of times every day. We just don’t do it much for certain subjects.
@isonlynameleft
2 ай бұрын
@@Leith_Crowther I guess I mean in particular with this show and "the atheist experience" it almost never happens 😄
I was a wiccan for 8 years and a spell as I was taught is just a to do list. Let me "spell" it out for you. its a list of what you need to affect the change your doing. your casting it out there..
Trying to hand hold Juan and walk him through an intelligible (never mind intelligent) conversation is like trying to push a car out of a ditch using a length of rope
Juan's teacher's didn't have enough magic to make him smart.
I don't understand the term "define" until it has been defined.
Poor caller. He knows what he knows, yet he does not know anything.
In the words of a certain Judge Judy, "uhmm ..." is not an answer! Jesus Christ, this guy really hasn't thought through his claims!
Its good to hear the callers acknowledgement that his defined magical then spiritual, simply means the unreliable methods of emotion, intuition and even instincts. Now he knows his spiritual belief is unreliable and he agreed with that. Wow baby steps (since we learn these basic things as young kids). Actually he can now confidently throw his _spiritual_ wording away, straight in the gutter. That's wonderful news he agrees.
I don't understand how this person has survived on this planet.
The end of the call made me hopeful
He was going very well and just at the end he went the other way
when you try to define spiritual, you find other vague terms that are defined with more vague terms, and then are defined with spiritual. Not a joke. I tried it. It is a circular set of terms that have no real meaning or proof.
magic is a sufficiently advanced technology that our poor minds cannot comprehend how it is accomplished. throwing stuff into a pot and boiling it up is cooking. cooking can be magic.
Tracy is sharp as a scalpel.
I got an itch on my ass, but I can't see it, so it's spiritual. Thanks caller, I'm dumber now 👍
Christianity's God: "You can't have knowledge!" Eve: "Hold my beer!" Caller: "What's knowledge?"
Oh wow!
I loved tracy!
isn't what ' jesus ' supposed to have done magic ?
Science is magic that works
Wow this went better then thought was going to... and then it didn't
Being this is a throwback Juan is almost certainly dead from covid now.
Used this one before but it is a favourite: “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” - Albert Einstein
My 2 cents. I think the caller was referring to, was if you break the commandments, God will smite you, and you will get sick as you're punishment.
Pain is spiritual, because we can't see it? We can't see taste, sounds, smells, emotions, heat, air, etc, all of them spiritual too?
🤣All that comes to mind is "Get a life"🤣
When I hear a comment like medicine is magic my first thought is another victim of homeschooling. This poor guy doesn’t have a rudimentary understanding of basic science.
I want to give this video an upvote But it's at 666. It feels wrong to change that😂
1:50 it was actually called A CAULDRON LOL, Clearly this guy didn't watch a lot of witch cartoons in the day
Tracie is so frigging 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Minute and half I had to stop this sad video Not sure how they listen longer😢
wait a minute is this Jesse Lee Peterson
@thomasdendtler4077
2 ай бұрын
The tone is really similar. But this guy sounds just slightly more coherent. Low bar, I know..
@patjacksonpodium
2 ай бұрын
Not enough congested, slack jawed mouth breathing to be JLP.
Pharmaceutical magic you say?!
i couldnt understand why there was only 2 comments ... this has been up for 8min
@inkysteve
2 ай бұрын
21 now, oh no 22.
@jpbaley2016
2 ай бұрын
Considering the video is 22 minutes long, maybe people were waiting to watch the whole video.
spiritual means highly animated or zest for life
The Bible claims that life & death are contained in the tongue. The Bible also claims that GOD spoke light into existance. Sounds an awful lot like magic!
Now I'm wondering if this caller would appreciate his woman refusing to have sex with him because she might get pregnant.
I don't understand the point of talking to people like that. I don't think it is a good idea to make them feel like their opinion is worth anything.
He can only talk nonsense to those already nonsense convinced 😂😂
The only really intuitive interface is the human nipple … and one third of all babies has to actually learn that interface.
Ok