I agree with Blake. He's not worth 8m, no way. And especially now with no injury.

@zestplays

Ай бұрын

Playoff Hockey is not regular season hockey

Canucks need to sign Big Z

Blake gained my respect here. Sekeres is thinking regular season, which is limited thinking. Hronek is good in regular season, whereas Zadorov is made for tough playoff hockey, which is all we Canuck fans really care about now. Sign the bigs like Z, Myers and Joshua and then see what else you can do.

@chrisn2125

Ай бұрын

Completely agree.

Yeah Hronek had a career high in points, but most of his points were secondary assists piggybacking off Hughes. He’s just not worth 8 mil a season.

@fastfootedone

Ай бұрын

agreed, AND he offers no protections for Quinn. They need a guy that has some skill but is tough and offers a deterrent to players constantly targeting Hughes. Hughes is by far the most important player on this team AND the captain. It's insane they don't protect him.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

This narrative that Hughes needs a 'Dave Semenko' is overrated to me

I know these stats aren't perfect. But after hearing a Detroit fan talk about how he usually drops off in the second half I did the research based on months. Here it is... 2024 1st half, 36 games 2-27-29 vs 2nd half, 32 games 2-10-12 ... 2023 1st half, 35 games 7-19-26 vs 2nd half, 29 games 2-11-13 ... 2022 1st half, 30 games 3-13-16 vs 2nd half, 34 games 1-15-16 ... 2021 DNP until January - 1st 36 games 2-19-21 vs last 19 games 0-5-5 ...2020 1st half, 39 games 8-14-22 vs 2nd half, 26 games 1-8-9. As you can see, it's clearly evident, that Hronek has always been a better player earlier in the season.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

Yeah I mean if that becomes a pattern, then obviously it's gonna get taken into account regarding his market value, just that player and agent are hoping to bypass that notion

They need to trade Hronek and get a scoring winger. Sign Joshua and Big Z. If Meyers signs at a hometown discount, that would be great.

I look at it in terms of replaceability and economics. Obviously, a top 4 right shot D is hard to replace, but they seemed to find one last year. Also, Hronek is an RFA. The Canucks have some UFAs they'd like to bring back and if they give Hronek 8 million, they won't be able to keep those guys. For me, Joshua and Zadorov are must haves. Lindholm, if they can squeeze him in, absolutely. But Hronek's performance in the playoffs and through the 2nd half made him not worth the money and if they pay him 8, they won't have the room to fill out the roster. They can get something for him, and they can't with the UFAs. Obviously, if Zadorov wants more than 6, you run. But if he can be had for 5-5.5, okay. Then you take what you get for Hronek and get a winger for Pettersson. If you've managed the cap properly, you still have enough to sign a guy like Pesce to play with Hughes and add another D. What you don't want to do is give Hronek 8, have him be invisible again when it matters, and not have the depth to make a push.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

The risk of bringing a Pesce or Montour type on top of locking into Hronek is blocking Tom Willander

Montour looks good in Florida. Don't forget OEL looks good there too. They have an amazing forward lineup, that makes their D look very good. Those Panther forwards don't need much from the point to work with to produce havoc and goals. I think Matt's comparison of just the position right shot top pairing defenceman vs 6th pair left shot. We're also talking about 6' 6" 250 lb intense defenceman in big Z. That's also a very scarce commodity in the league. Watching Dallas vs Edmonton last night the Oiler forwards looked bigger and stronger than they did against the Canucks. I think our big D core was one of the main reasons we were able to do what we did, and I think Hughes and Hronek as a pair were getting man handled by Draisaitl and Hyman, which is why Tochet split them up at times.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

OEL's their no. 5 defender, so no surprise he looks good in that sheltered role

Who’s paying Filip Hronek 8 million? People keep saying this, but who? What team is giving him that? Don’t just say “someone”, tell me an actual possible team. I just don’t see it

Myers’s $6M is either leaving, or will be renewed at half the cost.

IMO yzerham traded him because he wasn’t a fit personality wise. There’s something about Hronek that rubs people and teammates the wrong way.

Part of the reason Hronek gets hit a lot is because of how often receives panic passes when Hughes is under pressure and gets to eat the boards as a result. I don't think we got to see the full potential of Hronek yet and won't until he drives his own pairing. I like the swagger Zadorov brings to this team that they really don't have without him. I want Myers back too, but only after a hefty pay cut.

Stop calling him a top pairing Dman. He's a #4 on a contending team. He's a general purpose utility RHD, good for 40ish points who tends to fade hard as season progresses. He's in the 5.5-6m range, max. Isn't big, doesn't play big, has a bit of jam, but that's about it. Pad his points next season and flip him before the deadline. Nucks already have a boat anchor contract on the books.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

No. Hronek is very much better than a no. 4, he's a no. 3 AT WORST

@Xyy2387

23 күн бұрын

@user-by3nd4rm6c Agree to disagree. On no contending team is Hronek ever the main guy on the second pairing.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

@@Xyy2387 And I think recency bias is heavily clouding your judgement

@Xyy2387

23 күн бұрын

@user-by3nd4rm6c You clearly don't understand what recency bias is. Take a moment and really think about it. Lol I mean seriously, I'm downloading him from top pairing to a #4...and you're claiming recency bias? Hahaha, OK bud.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

@@Xyy2387 I think I do, and you just have too bloated of an ego to give any credence to thought or opinion other than your own

If Hronek can't understand what playing with Quinn Hughes has done for HIS career, then, he's too stupid to be a player on a winning team anyway. He has to MAN UP, admit how LUCKY he is to be 'here, now, paired with this guy', and accept a salary that doesn't screw the team out of its salary structure or competitiveness. IF he can't do that, let him walk. He's already acting like an A-hole to J.Pat and other reporters, insists he couldn't "figure out" why his 2nd half was so poor; then let him BRING THAT attitude to the arbitration hearing.

What about Matt Roy? 29 y/o, RHD, never been a minus player over the entire season (other than a short rookie season). On the surface seems like a good defensive fit with Hughes.

Pesce 8 million 😂 ($4.5-5.5 over 4-6 yrs Max)

Good video -that was a solid debate!

Pesce ain’t getting $8M per.year.

Trade, trade... trade. Its due to the attitude we just seen at the press conference. The Pettersson contract should highlight the issue with smaller guys when it comes to building a stanley cup team. Some guys get hot, passionate and with the right attitude like Miller, Boeser and a good coach can steer that into warrior like effort. The snarky, cocky, whiney, victim type attitude doesnt translate to team culture and winning when it counts.

I think 6.5 is fair enough for hronek. Big z should be number 1 priority on the back end

I agree and disagree with Blake. Hronek is not an 8 million dollar dman, anything over 7 and I would move him. To suggest Zadorov at 6 per over 5 is insane or willing to pay Montour, Pesce 7 or 8 per on multiple year deals screams Benning management. Pesce just had his worst statistical season and was dealing with injuries, Montour dipped nearly 30 points in production. I would consider up to a shade over 5 for Zadorov. I would try and use Hronek in a trade for a dynamic forward (Necas) maybe a package deal of Hronek, Mikheyev for Necas and Kotkaniemi. Resign Myers, target Matt Roy in free agency, trade for Jokiharju in Buffalo (Maybe a deal centered around suter) and Resign Joshua.

Do you guys think the numbers line up if you don’t sign Hronek… could you sign Zadorov and Joshua? I think that would be the way to go where the Canucks are right now.

He's not worth what he's reportedly asking, and not by a LONG shot. He's making around what he's worth from what I can tell. In no way is he a difference maker, for he's unable to anchor a 2nd pairing. He's an awkward skater, not to mention slow, and where did that shot of his go? The team holds all the cards with him still as an RFA.

Ай бұрын

His minimum arbitration is $7,5 million, per season, though.

I keep saying that Hronek was deployed wrong by Toccket. Watch the playoffs. He was being used as a stay at home guard for Quinn Hughes so that he could create. They essentially turned him into a Luke Schenn but without the physicality. If you were to keep Hronek he would have to be allowed to play a 2 way game. I honestly think a combination of him and Zadorov would work. Sign a cheap mobile rear guard for Hughes like Luke Schenn and that first pairing works while allowing for a good second pairing. Do not pay Hronek anymore than 7 though.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

Hronek skates way better than Schenn, and he's at least not a complete liability anywhere on the ice

If you sign Montour or Pesce for big money & term, you risk getting another OEL. I suspect Hronek would do a deal in the mid-7s.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

Pesce's market starts with a 6 at absolute most. Montour's starts with maybe a 7 with his offensive dropoff

@torontogreenhouse

23 күн бұрын

@@user-by3nd4rm6c I like Montour but he is likely the same $, 4 years older and will want term. Pesce is a big step down and 3 yrs older. If they can get Hronek for 7.5, that would only save about $1M/yr.

@user-by3nd4rm6c

23 күн бұрын

@@torontogreenhouse Pesce is about the same caliber as Hronek, but better defensively and not as gifted offensively. Hronek is also younger

@torontogreenhouse

23 күн бұрын

@@user-by3nd4rm6c I would not put Pesce on the same level. Stay home guys are less $$ for a reason. Hronek is a better bet and fit partly because he is younger.

Hughes padded Hronek's stats and he was run over in the playoffs

Matt makes me think you should give him 8 years at 8.25 million. 😆 🤣 😂

Blake, lower the sarcasm metre.

Freidman stated that Hronek's minimum arbitration is $7.5 million, per season.

Good by!

would Chychrun (with Ottawa) fit as right side on top pair defense? how much would a contract for Chychrun be?

@wati8995

Ай бұрын

Chychrun is a left shot. Ideally if you’re gonna pay big money for a right side defenceman you’d want him to be a right shot.

Matt arguing for the sake of arguing.

Blake really doesn’t like this Jack guy

You hear the way he speaks at the year end press, you can tell hes a difficult person to work with. Absolutely sure on that.

Trade him if he's not willing to negotiate down from $8M

This must be an old video uploaded late because he got into quit the heated exchange Jeff Patterson,

@tmcperformance9191

Ай бұрын

He's seems like an absolute @$$

@SekeresPrice

Ай бұрын

yeah, this was recorded on Wednesday.

@chadrichards6607

Ай бұрын

@@SekeresPrice an update on this debate would be interesting

@SekeresPrice

Ай бұрын

@@chadrichards6607 we have new content every weekday 😉

Didn't they hear Hronek isn't injured? He got pissed when asked.

@SekeresPrice

Ай бұрын

this was recorded on Wednesday. More on today's show.

Montuer has a slapping shot...a threat from the point.

@jacksonjacob7791

Ай бұрын

Hronek is nowhere near Montours level.

@stephenphillips6245

Ай бұрын

@@jacksonjacob7791 Hronek is younger, but lacks the toolkit needed to be an 8 million dollar player.

Being hurt doesn't make up for his brain farts in the playoffs.

Trade non playoff performers for...

Didn’t hroek confirm 2 times no injury

@SekeresPrice

Ай бұрын

we recorded this on Wednesday

Hronek disappeared in the playoffs. Don't need him. Hughes carried him most of the year.

Zad > Hronek

Keep Lindholm and Z and get rid of Hronek.

Make the trade stop signing overpriced FA.

Soft

Resign Hronek. Defence wins championships. First line D pair is the backbone of your team on every aspect pp or pk. I like Z but for me Hronek is a priority.

@griffinemery3359

Ай бұрын

they won’t sign him for more money then what hughes is making

Hronkek was absolute trash in the playoffs. Super disappointing.

Get rid of hronek Get tanev