Math Olympiad Question | Equation Solving | You should be able to solve this
How to solve this equation? By using this trick, you can deal it quickly!
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Пікірлер: 95
@Zarunias Жыл бұрын
Substitute the 2023 on the left side with x^x^2023 and we get x^x^x^x^2023=2023. Repeat infinite and we get x^x^x^x^...=2023. This is the same as x^(x^x^x^...)=2023. Substitute the parentheses with 2023 and we get x^2023=2023. (As we assumed that the limit of x^x^x^... exists, we have to plug this value into the original equation to proof that this is actually a solution.)
@TheMoogleKing93 Жыл бұрын
I think you do need an extra line of logic at the end to be completely accurate, as y = x^X is not strictly monotonic.
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
x^x is not monotonic but is bijective with a unique minimum at x=1/e.
@TheMoogleKing93
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentthais6252 x^x is not injective , you can clearly see that from a graph.
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoogleKing93it is bijective for x above 1 and it's all we need since x cannot be smaller than 1, otherwise the left term in the original equation would be smaller than 1
@TheMoogleKing93
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentthais6252 more specifically its bijective for x > 1 and the maximum value it takes below this point is well below 2023. You'd lose a mark on a university paper for just declaring your one solution was the only one and not considering small x!
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoogleKing93 Amen great professor. Maybe you can refute my PhD and cancel my 26 referred journal papers ?
@russelltownsend6105 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant content as usual please keep up your amazing work
@paparmar Жыл бұрын
So, in general, if we replace 2023 in this problem with say, “Box”, then any equation in the form of x to the x to the Box = Box will have the solution x = [Box to the 1/Box], since that would result in the LHS always simplifying to [Box to the 1st power], which is Box (as long as Box zero).
@Hyakurin_
Жыл бұрын
No, this is not correct In the last part he uses the fact that f(y)=y^y is injective. But this is true only if x>1. In this case f(y)=f(2023) implies y=2023, because f(y)>1 so y^y>1 and y>1. Now, in ]1,+infty[ f is injective so y=2023. But if you choose 0
@johannkarrer2823 Жыл бұрын
Kudos! 👌👌👌
@RhinocerosMovie9 Жыл бұрын
Wow such an outstanding and technical question for welcoming the new year 2023😊😊😊#SUPERMATHS
@guitarttimman Жыл бұрын
You come up with some good ones. Thank you so much for what you do. Happy New Year.
@jim2376 Жыл бұрын
An absurd problem we'll never see in the real world. But I'm just drinking beer and relaxing, so here goes. If a^a = b^b then bases a and b are equal. So let's look for the a^a = b^b format. Raise both sides by a freaking absurd power of 2023. KEY: the 2023 on the LHS goes on the x DOWNSTAIRS. So we have the absurdity of x^2023^x^2023 = 2023^2023. There's the format we want. So x^2023 = 2023 and x = a ridiculous 2023^(1/2023). I need another beer.
@anibuddyedits6744 Жыл бұрын
That's awesome
@stevetech1949 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE IT! Thank you. ♥
@RhinocerosMovie9 Жыл бұрын
Wow so much nicely explained! Great technique. SO much impressed by the clean writing with different colours!!! Well done. Such a mesmerizing channel. #SUPERMATHS
@jim2376
Жыл бұрын
She's amazing with her writing and different colors.
@yuusufliibaan1380 Жыл бұрын
Good 👍👌
@paulolemosmessias9460 Жыл бұрын
Calligraphy wonderful.
@michaelpurtell4741 Жыл бұрын
Just raised equation to the 2023 power and answer one step solution
@RhinocerosMovie9 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful channel. Great content! Keep it up! #SUPERMATHS
@akrambrd8296 Жыл бұрын
Thanks ♥♥💕
@redroach4016 ай бұрын
unfortunately that is only the principal root however there are infinite complex solutions which is why you should use the lambert w function instead. Hope this helps.
@77Chester77 Жыл бұрын
I tried it with Lambert-W-Function and succeeded :-) It's WAY more complicated (x=exp{W[2023*ln(2023)]/2023}, but according to wolfram-alpha it's the same value
@pureffm
Жыл бұрын
Can you not just just take the 2023rd root of both sides and get an immediate answer?
@reconquistahinduism346
Жыл бұрын
@@pureffm not at all. Because the L.H S is not 2023rd power of x. It is x^2023th power of x. You can't take 2023rd root on both the sides for that reason.
@alexniklas8777 Жыл бұрын
It is much easier to raise the left expression to the power of 2023.
@elyoranorbekov Жыл бұрын
Good luck.
@romank.6813 Жыл бұрын
Solve for both roots of x^(x^(1/2023))=1/2023. That's way more fun.
@brian554xx Жыл бұрын
when my teachers told me to show my work, it never occurred to me to make up so many steps!
@himashrisaikia5453 Жыл бұрын
Wow😲Its awesome
@RhinocerosMovie9
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely
@chaparral82 Жыл бұрын
it can be extended infinetly x^x^x^x^x^x^x^x^x^n = n^(1/n)
@DenisElkin Жыл бұрын
Happy new year!
@aLaMin-um8uz Жыл бұрын
wow!!!!
@moonquake1881 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@Doomstryker Жыл бұрын
I solved this in my head intuitively in like five seconds and got 2023 to the 2023rd root. Which is the same as 2023 to the 1/2023 power.
@matthewlloyd3255 Жыл бұрын
By inspection : "at or greater than 1, but certainly less than 2 - but probably not much greater than 1."
@FarhadJahani11 ай бұрын
nice
@toolng1798 Жыл бұрын
i think you can actually see that just by looking at it
@davidbrisbane7206 Жыл бұрын
At least, a video from the presenter which isn't lame 👍
@starpawsy Жыл бұрын
I would start by factoring 2023 on the right hand side. "the remainder is left as an exercise for the viewer". Next video!
@BP-jf9nb Жыл бұрын
If I were able to solve this, I wouldn't watch your video on how to.
@epikherolol8189 Жыл бұрын
Or we can also do by Lambert W function
@peamutbubber
Жыл бұрын
Uncreative
@hadialfuraiji6531 Жыл бұрын
It should be equal to euler constant = 2.7281828... . I do'nt know how to find out the value of x. thanks again
@laurentthais6252 Жыл бұрын
Taking both side at power 2023, we see something like x = 2023^(1/2023)
@chiararomano1818
Жыл бұрын
This is the fastest way.
@hadialfuraiji6531 Жыл бұрын
Hi , could you please solve this fomula x^x= (x-1)^(x+1) Thanks
@了了了 Жыл бұрын
Easy
@gmarchenko Жыл бұрын
1
@konstantinkurlayev9242 Жыл бұрын
Did you know that this function has two minimums and no maximum?
@vitalylesindorf640 Жыл бұрын
For what?
@timower5850 Жыл бұрын
It's been a while for me and math, but can't you just immediately raise each side to the 1/2023 power? I can't remember why, but isn't the resulting exponent on the left side then equal to 1? Again, take it easy on me.
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
You'd get x^((x^2023)/2023)
@timower5850
Жыл бұрын
@@Мопс_001 Yes, but can't this exponent be reduced to 1? It's obvious from the solution ( x = 2023^(1/2023) ) that it must be. That is, after raising each side to the 1/2023 power, you get x^((x^2023)/2023) = 2023^(1/2023), and since the solution is x = 2023^(1/2023), x must be equal to x^((x^2023)/2023), meaning ((x^2023)/2023) =1. Not?
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
@@timower5850 try to write it on paper. x^((x^2023)/2023) is not the same as x^((x*2023)/2023) I suppose what you are talking about is the second one where the power be reduced, but even so x^x is not equal to 1
@timower5850
Жыл бұрын
@@Мопс_001That's not what I said, though. For simplicity, let a = x^2023, making the original equation x^a = 2023. Raising each side to the power of 1/2023 yields (x^a)^(1/2023) = 2023^(1/2023), yielding x^(a/2023) = 2023^(1/2023). Since the solution is, per the author, x = 2023^(1/2023), x must be equal to x^(a/2023) since they're equal to the same thing. Given that x can alternately be written as x^1, this means x^1 = x^(a/2023). By inspection, it's obvious that (a/2023) =1, and by reverse substitution, (x^2023/2023) =1, my original point. (as for your "x^((x^2023)/2023) is not the same as x^((x*2023)/2023), I'm not sure where you picked up the (*) sign.)
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
@@timower5850 Well, I tried tracing it from a = x^2023 x^(a/2023) = 2023^(1/2023) here it's a bit hard for me to understand this since here we would see that x = 2023 but at the same time a = 1 = x^2023 So I'm not sure how it should be solved from here
@massolit.t Жыл бұрын
With logaritma 2 seconds
@prollysine Жыл бұрын
I solved it with the help of Lambert W, but does she know that she was banned from the Olympics?
@kmsbean Жыл бұрын
just use natural logs
@agpxnet Жыл бұрын
Root at the 2023th of 2023.
@stevenbastien9028 Жыл бұрын
The initial substitution is dubious unless you clearly state the problem as x^(x^2023). But normally, as written, it would conventionally be interpreted as (x^x)^2023, which is a different problem.
@Semak2002
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! OMG, it's really frustrating, i was this close to check rules of calculation's order
@lakshmibhargavic4104 Жыл бұрын
X=1
@federook78 Жыл бұрын
Ax is gonna to be lolol
@pureffm Жыл бұрын
You added too many steps in my opinion. Can we not just take the nth root on both sides *raise to the power of 1/2023*, then it gives the answer immediately?
@yakupbuyankara5903 Жыл бұрын
X=2023^(1/2023).
@redouanchab3an331 Жыл бұрын
5h
@malkhazberezhiani981 Жыл бұрын
Next year You will post equation x^x^2024=2024 and so one
@tebkgjkdj276 Жыл бұрын
뭔가 속고있는 느낌 이거는 뭐지?
@merzeporgoher Жыл бұрын
Why do you sound like that lol 😂 Where are you from 😂😂😂
@skvttlez1263 Жыл бұрын
so x= the 2023th root of 2023
@mintusaren895 Жыл бұрын
Biyog
@p.k.3494 Жыл бұрын
the reason English speaker usually doesn't good at calculating(or mental calculating) is because of the name of number. It is too long. In case of Korean, all the sounds from 1 to 10 are all short one syllables. it is easy to pronounce. but In case of English, 1,2,4,10 are short syllables, but, 3,5,6,8,9 are long syllables because of two reasons. 1) the sound of [ai], [ei] (five, nine, eight) makes pronouncing longer. For example, say fast oneoneoneoneoneone, and say fast eight,eight,eight,eight The speed of the former is faster than the speed of pronouncing eight. 2) the existence of consonants before(or after) one syllable. For example, three is th + ree , -> it sounds two syllable. (bcz the move of tongue is too big) so say fast oneoneoneoneone, and say fast three,three,three,three.. Also the former is faster : that's because three is long syllable. Six is also long syllable : oneoneoneoneone, sixsixsixsixsix -> the former is faster.(the former is easier to say fast) Even the number of seven is two syllables!! it is too long to pronounce. Moreover, from 11, it is a new word. In case of Korean, we call 11 "tenone", 12 "tentwo" , 24 : twotenfour, 41, fourtenone -> it is very intuitive. and... oh my god.. 100 => hundred, = long two syllable.. omz.. why "long" syllable? -> Compare "hundred" to "body" : body is easier to say faster. because body is short two syllable. hundred is long two syllable. in case of korean, 100 is also one short syllable. thousand, = long two syllable. in case of korean, 1000 is also one short syllable. In conclusion, it is hard to say fast in case of English. For example. 358,936 = three hundred fifty eight thousand nine hundred thirty six. => 14 syllables.(10 long syllables!!!) but in case of korean, 11 syllables, and all syllables, are just short syllable, just one sound. That's why the English speaker is too slow to explain the solution or to calculate numbers.
@sedx5737 Жыл бұрын
What about x^x^2023=2022 Bullshit
@user-el3yn5gh4p Жыл бұрын
Математические извращенцы
@mitz777 Жыл бұрын
В загальному вигляді: X^(X^A) = A , тоді X = A^(1/A)
@JPTaquari Жыл бұрын
Smart girl, I can also solve it like this, no??? (X^2023) ^(X^2023) = 2023^2023 Then, X^2023 = 2023 X = 2023 ^1/2023 Nice or not nice???
@ralkadde
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@mathwindow
Жыл бұрын
Nice nice!!!
@Strawberry_bishkek Жыл бұрын
Супер
@konstantinkurlayev9242 Жыл бұрын
Exp(1/266) + 1/284926
@user-pd7js7cy9m Жыл бұрын
f(x)=x^{x^[x^(x^n)]}=n>0 . Проверте : x=n^(1/n) . f(x) - монотонно возрастающая функция. Значит решение единственное. С уважением ,lidiy27041943
Пікірлер: 95
Substitute the 2023 on the left side with x^x^2023 and we get x^x^x^x^2023=2023. Repeat infinite and we get x^x^x^x^...=2023. This is the same as x^(x^x^x^...)=2023. Substitute the parentheses with 2023 and we get x^2023=2023. (As we assumed that the limit of x^x^x^... exists, we have to plug this value into the original equation to proof that this is actually a solution.)
I think you do need an extra line of logic at the end to be completely accurate, as y = x^X is not strictly monotonic.
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
x^x is not monotonic but is bijective with a unique minimum at x=1/e.
@TheMoogleKing93
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentthais6252 x^x is not injective , you can clearly see that from a graph.
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoogleKing93it is bijective for x above 1 and it's all we need since x cannot be smaller than 1, otherwise the left term in the original equation would be smaller than 1
@TheMoogleKing93
Жыл бұрын
@@laurentthais6252 more specifically its bijective for x > 1 and the maximum value it takes below this point is well below 2023. You'd lose a mark on a university paper for just declaring your one solution was the only one and not considering small x!
@laurentthais6252
Жыл бұрын
@@TheMoogleKing93 Amen great professor. Maybe you can refute my PhD and cancel my 26 referred journal papers ?
Brilliant content as usual please keep up your amazing work
So, in general, if we replace 2023 in this problem with say, “Box”, then any equation in the form of x to the x to the Box = Box will have the solution x = [Box to the 1/Box], since that would result in the LHS always simplifying to [Box to the 1st power], which is Box (as long as Box zero).
@Hyakurin_
Жыл бұрын
No, this is not correct In the last part he uses the fact that f(y)=y^y is injective. But this is true only if x>1. In this case f(y)=f(2023) implies y=2023, because f(y)>1 so y^y>1 and y>1. Now, in ]1,+infty[ f is injective so y=2023. But if you choose 0
Kudos! 👌👌👌
Wow such an outstanding and technical question for welcoming the new year 2023😊😊😊#SUPERMATHS
You come up with some good ones. Thank you so much for what you do. Happy New Year.
An absurd problem we'll never see in the real world. But I'm just drinking beer and relaxing, so here goes. If a^a = b^b then bases a and b are equal. So let's look for the a^a = b^b format. Raise both sides by a freaking absurd power of 2023. KEY: the 2023 on the LHS goes on the x DOWNSTAIRS. So we have the absurdity of x^2023^x^2023 = 2023^2023. There's the format we want. So x^2023 = 2023 and x = a ridiculous 2023^(1/2023). I need another beer.
That's awesome
I LOVE IT! Thank you. ♥
Wow so much nicely explained! Great technique. SO much impressed by the clean writing with different colours!!! Well done. Such a mesmerizing channel. #SUPERMATHS
@jim2376
Жыл бұрын
She's amazing with her writing and different colors.
Good 👍👌
Calligraphy wonderful.
Just raised equation to the 2023 power and answer one step solution
Wonderful channel. Great content! Keep it up! #SUPERMATHS
Thanks ♥♥💕
unfortunately that is only the principal root however there are infinite complex solutions which is why you should use the lambert w function instead. Hope this helps.
I tried it with Lambert-W-Function and succeeded :-) It's WAY more complicated (x=exp{W[2023*ln(2023)]/2023}, but according to wolfram-alpha it's the same value
@pureffm
Жыл бұрын
Can you not just just take the 2023rd root of both sides and get an immediate answer?
@reconquistahinduism346
Жыл бұрын
@@pureffm not at all. Because the L.H S is not 2023rd power of x. It is x^2023th power of x. You can't take 2023rd root on both the sides for that reason.
It is much easier to raise the left expression to the power of 2023.
Good luck.
Solve for both roots of x^(x^(1/2023))=1/2023. That's way more fun.
when my teachers told me to show my work, it never occurred to me to make up so many steps!
Wow😲Its awesome
@RhinocerosMovie9
Жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely
it can be extended infinetly x^x^x^x^x^x^x^x^x^n = n^(1/n)
Happy new year!
wow!!!!
Nice
I solved this in my head intuitively in like five seconds and got 2023 to the 2023rd root. Which is the same as 2023 to the 1/2023 power.
By inspection : "at or greater than 1, but certainly less than 2 - but probably not much greater than 1."
nice
i think you can actually see that just by looking at it
At least, a video from the presenter which isn't lame 👍
I would start by factoring 2023 on the right hand side. "the remainder is left as an exercise for the viewer". Next video!
If I were able to solve this, I wouldn't watch your video on how to.
Or we can also do by Lambert W function
@peamutbubber
Жыл бұрын
Uncreative
It should be equal to euler constant = 2.7281828... . I do'nt know how to find out the value of x. thanks again
Taking both side at power 2023, we see something like x = 2023^(1/2023)
@chiararomano1818
Жыл бұрын
This is the fastest way.
Hi , could you please solve this fomula x^x= (x-1)^(x+1) Thanks
Easy
1
Did you know that this function has two minimums and no maximum?
For what?
It's been a while for me and math, but can't you just immediately raise each side to the 1/2023 power? I can't remember why, but isn't the resulting exponent on the left side then equal to 1? Again, take it easy on me.
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
You'd get x^((x^2023)/2023)
@timower5850
Жыл бұрын
@@Мопс_001 Yes, but can't this exponent be reduced to 1? It's obvious from the solution ( x = 2023^(1/2023) ) that it must be. That is, after raising each side to the 1/2023 power, you get x^((x^2023)/2023) = 2023^(1/2023), and since the solution is x = 2023^(1/2023), x must be equal to x^((x^2023)/2023), meaning ((x^2023)/2023) =1. Not?
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
@@timower5850 try to write it on paper. x^((x^2023)/2023) is not the same as x^((x*2023)/2023) I suppose what you are talking about is the second one where the power be reduced, but even so x^x is not equal to 1
@timower5850
Жыл бұрын
@@Мопс_001That's not what I said, though. For simplicity, let a = x^2023, making the original equation x^a = 2023. Raising each side to the power of 1/2023 yields (x^a)^(1/2023) = 2023^(1/2023), yielding x^(a/2023) = 2023^(1/2023). Since the solution is, per the author, x = 2023^(1/2023), x must be equal to x^(a/2023) since they're equal to the same thing. Given that x can alternately be written as x^1, this means x^1 = x^(a/2023). By inspection, it's obvious that (a/2023) =1, and by reverse substitution, (x^2023/2023) =1, my original point. (as for your "x^((x^2023)/2023) is not the same as x^((x*2023)/2023), I'm not sure where you picked up the (*) sign.)
@Мопс_001
Жыл бұрын
@@timower5850 Well, I tried tracing it from a = x^2023 x^(a/2023) = 2023^(1/2023) here it's a bit hard for me to understand this since here we would see that x = 2023 but at the same time a = 1 = x^2023 So I'm not sure how it should be solved from here
With logaritma 2 seconds
I solved it with the help of Lambert W, but does she know that she was banned from the Olympics?
just use natural logs
Root at the 2023th of 2023.
The initial substitution is dubious unless you clearly state the problem as x^(x^2023). But normally, as written, it would conventionally be interpreted as (x^x)^2023, which is a different problem.
@Semak2002
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! OMG, it's really frustrating, i was this close to check rules of calculation's order
X=1
Ax is gonna to be lolol
You added too many steps in my opinion. Can we not just take the nth root on both sides *raise to the power of 1/2023*, then it gives the answer immediately?
X=2023^(1/2023).
5h
Next year You will post equation x^x^2024=2024 and so one
뭔가 속고있는 느낌 이거는 뭐지?
Why do you sound like that lol 😂 Where are you from 😂😂😂
so x= the 2023th root of 2023
Biyog
the reason English speaker usually doesn't good at calculating(or mental calculating) is because of the name of number. It is too long. In case of Korean, all the sounds from 1 to 10 are all short one syllables. it is easy to pronounce. but In case of English, 1,2,4,10 are short syllables, but, 3,5,6,8,9 are long syllables because of two reasons. 1) the sound of [ai], [ei] (five, nine, eight) makes pronouncing longer. For example, say fast oneoneoneoneoneone, and say fast eight,eight,eight,eight The speed of the former is faster than the speed of pronouncing eight. 2) the existence of consonants before(or after) one syllable. For example, three is th + ree , -> it sounds two syllable. (bcz the move of tongue is too big) so say fast oneoneoneoneone, and say fast three,three,three,three.. Also the former is faster : that's because three is long syllable. Six is also long syllable : oneoneoneoneone, sixsixsixsixsix -> the former is faster.(the former is easier to say fast) Even the number of seven is two syllables!! it is too long to pronounce. Moreover, from 11, it is a new word. In case of Korean, we call 11 "tenone", 12 "tentwo" , 24 : twotenfour, 41, fourtenone -> it is very intuitive. and... oh my god.. 100 => hundred, = long two syllable.. omz.. why "long" syllable? -> Compare "hundred" to "body" : body is easier to say faster. because body is short two syllable. hundred is long two syllable. in case of korean, 100 is also one short syllable. thousand, = long two syllable. in case of korean, 1000 is also one short syllable. In conclusion, it is hard to say fast in case of English. For example. 358,936 = three hundred fifty eight thousand nine hundred thirty six. => 14 syllables.(10 long syllables!!!) but in case of korean, 11 syllables, and all syllables, are just short syllable, just one sound. That's why the English speaker is too slow to explain the solution or to calculate numbers.
What about x^x^2023=2022 Bullshit
Математические извращенцы
В загальному вигляді: X^(X^A) = A , тоді X = A^(1/A)
Smart girl, I can also solve it like this, no??? (X^2023) ^(X^2023) = 2023^2023 Then, X^2023 = 2023 X = 2023 ^1/2023 Nice or not nice???
@ralkadde
Жыл бұрын
Nice!
@mathwindow
Жыл бұрын
Nice nice!!!
Супер
Exp(1/266) + 1/284926
f(x)=x^{x^[x^(x^n)]}=n>0 . Проверте : x=n^(1/n) . f(x) - монотонно возрастающая функция. Значит решение единственное. С уважением ,lidiy27041943
@peamutbubber
Жыл бұрын
u overcomplicated it buddy
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