Material Exploration: Which Precious Metal is Best for Your Watch? | The Classroom S02: Episode 14

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Mike Michaels is back in the chair, and our master watchmaker has no-nonsense knowledge to impart on materials used in watchmaking. Whether it be bronze or gold, steel or tantalum, all materials have pros and cons and special characteristics that make them unique. Which material appeals to you the most?
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  • @bigmike3541
    @bigmike35415 жыл бұрын

    Probably the best classroom episode so far!

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    bigmike3541 I greatly appreciate that, thank you.

  • @2naDave
    @2naDave5 жыл бұрын

    These videos just keep getting better and better. This one was very educational, filled with lots of valuable information. Keep them coming!

  • @simolaake
    @simolaake5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Mike! Great to see You again here in KZread! More videos like this. Greetings from Finland!

  • @bubbab7792
    @bubbab77925 жыл бұрын

    I thoroughly love when Mike Michaels produces tutorials. I always learn something when MM speaks. Great segment on the metals. You guys need to follow MM around for a week and vid what he does. MM always captures the attention of his audience. Thanx MM for the tutorial. 👍👍👍

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mike is awesome. He's as kind as he is knowledgeable, we're beyond grateful to have him on our team! Day in the life of Mike Michaels you say!? Hmmmm... - WatchBox Team

  • @GarrySkipPerkins
    @GarrySkipPerkins5 жыл бұрын

    I love all the Mike Michaels videos

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Garry Perkins Thank you!

  • @CrimFerret
    @CrimFerret5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video. I noticed that ceramic and silicon were left out as far as being used in movements. Titanium is hypoalergenic (a consideration if you are allergic to nickel). I guess somebody should tell Seiko that titanium is usually brush finished since a lot of thier titanium models have areas of mirror finish. I didn't know the issues with Platinum as far as it deforming. Most watches with cases made from it use straps. I've certainly seen stretched out gold watch bracelets so I know it can happen with those. The thing with titanium and threading explains why most bracelets made from it use pins rather than scewes for the removable links.

  • @hasininan5501
    @hasininan55015 жыл бұрын

    Awesome. Would love another episode dedicated to the materials used in the movements, for each and every single part.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the compliment and your suggestion! Stay tuned for more, never know what's next! - WatchBox Team

  • @gioc610
    @gioc6102 жыл бұрын

    Grade 5 Titanium has more than double the tensile strength of 316L stainless steel. The Titanium comes in at over 1100 mpa while the steel is just over 500 mpa.

  • @petesjk
    @petesjk5 жыл бұрын

    Lots of good information and suggestions. Thank you, Michael! I like the light weight of Ti watches, but was unaware of the the special servicing requirements.

  • @logwind
    @logwind5 жыл бұрын

    This was great. Thanks Watchbox.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, glad we could teach you something new also! - WatchBox Team

  • @david.9633
    @david.96335 жыл бұрын

    Great episode! This has been one of my favorites.

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    David B. Thank you!

  • @eco8gator
    @eco8gator5 жыл бұрын

    Nice vid MM. We need more segments from you...

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    eco8gator Working in it!

  • @FALLERModellbau
    @FALLERModellbau5 жыл бұрын

    Very informative, great video! Well done, Mike!

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    JP Melbs Thank you!

  • @kylerodgers3608
    @kylerodgers36082 жыл бұрын

    Great vid. What about magnesium and tungsten?

  • @hellotabasco
    @hellotabasco5 жыл бұрын

    excellent video!!! cheers!!!

  • @matthewhoover6154
    @matthewhoover61545 жыл бұрын

    Guy i used to hang with had a rolex submariner with a platinum bezel, i haven't seen one like that before but it was a nice touch.

  • @halebopp5332
    @halebopp53325 жыл бұрын

    Very nice classroom. Thanks for the video

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    We put a good deal of effort into The Classroom series! It's always a good feeling to be appreciated for it, thank you kindly! - WatchBox Team

  • @joofmagoof2841
    @joofmagoof28415 жыл бұрын

    Love hearing from watchmakers.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    We love hearing that you enjoy our content, thank you! - WatchBox Team

  • @espenhaugland639
    @espenhaugland6395 жыл бұрын

    excellent video, One material I see that you're missing is "Tungsten"

  • @sylpascale7673
    @sylpascale76735 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic tutorial ....thanks.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    No problem, thanks for watching! - WatchBox Team

  • @sylpascale7673

    @sylpascale7673

    5 жыл бұрын

    I watch your channel, excellent information, I personally am a big fan of white Gold, like the feel/heft of it and it flies under the radar. As much as I would love a yellow Gold Sub or Daytona, I would not feel comfortable wearing it around people. However my white Gold Daytona and white Gold Sub not many people give them a second glance unless they are Watch enthusiasts. What are your thoughts on this. Thanks very much.@@1916company

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    It definitely flies under the radar and depends on your objectives? Yellow gold tends to be more showy - with white gold, Rolex especially, enthusiasts can tell due to the configurations that are only available in the precious metal. It is like your little "secret". To each his or her own, right? --Team WatchBox

  • @ostravia
    @ostravia5 жыл бұрын

    Rose gold. Nuff said.

  • @kurtnunn6116
    @kurtnunn61165 жыл бұрын

    Great knowledge. Thank you. I saw that Bell and Ross made a watch from Argentium (silver). I guess no one else is following suit. I know that silver once was a case material occasionally used.

  • @kylerodgers3608

    @kylerodgers3608

    2 жыл бұрын

    Silver is the whitest and one of the most beautiful metals, but it’s hard to get around tarnishing

  • @newtypehuman
    @newtypehuman3 жыл бұрын

    which is more durable titanium or steel ?

  • @PhilipBeresford
    @PhilipBeresford5 жыл бұрын

    It would be interesting to do a deeper dive on the different types of rose gold. You could explore the different shades, alloys, and a have side by side of RG pieces by different brands to compare the colours

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Phil Bero Like Bronze, each manufacturer has its own color and blends of alloys making up the shades.

  • @PhilipBeresford

    @PhilipBeresford

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelmichaels471 Do the manufacturers publish what particular alloy they use? With bronze for example they will often say if they are using CuSn or CuAl. I suspect they probably dont publish that kind of information though...

  • @dst5596
    @dst55965 жыл бұрын

    Love listening to Mike Michaels. How do gold components hold up in the movement over time? I imagine parts like the rotor are fine but what about the parts that can wear. Presumably lubrication is super important and do they use 9ct instead of 18ct?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    D ST Depends on where it’s used, there is no real friction when used in an oscillating weigh bc the bearing absorbs this, however in vintage pieces where gold train wheels were used, I never really saw any abnormal wear which could I always figured was chalked up to the gold content.

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    D ST It should also be noted that when wheels and pinions are properly depthed there is minimal friction as the teeth “roll” off of one another in a very smooth manner.

  • @UXXV

    @UXXV

    5 жыл бұрын

    Love it!

  • @dst5596

    @dst5596

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelmichaels471 thanks for the replies; appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you on the channel next time. Always learn something when you're on.

  • @johngentile6814
    @johngentile68145 жыл бұрын

    a great educational piece. Is tungsten used as a case or in movements?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    John Gentile Not tungsten, but rather tantalum which is a very heavy and scratch resistant alloy that is dark grey in color, only place I’ve seen it used is in cases and bezels.

  • @UnNamedTrucker
    @UnNamedTrucker5 жыл бұрын

    Love the videos, now calm down with the music beds, ya dang hipsters!

  • @stevenuk
    @stevenuk5 жыл бұрын

    just my opinion; the best case materials are steel, gold alloys, platinum... all the other materials are compromised to be honest. Best movement materials are stable a-magnetic precious metal alloys and rubies supporting everything that moves. Rolex has put a lot of thought and tech into their materials and are a good bench mark.

  • @BobbyDazzler888
    @BobbyDazzler8885 жыл бұрын

    What about rubber being used on cases, like fp journe, bezel inserts on UL, RB, omega etc. does it expand, contract, crack, age?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Of course it will “move” however that also means that it will not damage as easily, in contrast when it does become cracked, cut or nicked it is not reparable so in there lies your trade off.

  • @edwardblack7133
    @edwardblack71335 жыл бұрын

    Hi informative video. Is steel or titanium... In general.... More scratch resistant?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Edward Black Ti is more scratch resistant than steel, and the latter refinishes easier than Ti.. where Ti has its issues is that it flexes and can burn during refinishing porcesses.

  • @BenTramer
    @BenTramer5 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Thank you! Have a few questions.... - Which is stronger, steel or titanium? - Which is more water resistant, steel or titanium? - What do you mean, titanium "doesn't hold a thread / flexes"?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Mark S The water resistance has to do with the fitting of the joints or gaskets, not the metal itself.

  • @BenTramer

    @BenTramer

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your reply. The final bullet point below "01. Steel" described steel as "Water Resistant". In that context, which is best for water purposes, steel or titanium?

  • @RaggaDruida

    @RaggaDruida

    5 жыл бұрын

    Steel is far stronger, usually, for applications where weight (or magnetism/allergic reactions) is not an important factor, steel is preferred... About water resistance, there are 2 ways to look at the problem, the first one is by strength itself, in that case, a structure made of steel will easily support a greater pressure than one made by titanium, but there is another factor, and that's corrosion, which realistically shouldn't be a problem in watches, but it's where titanium is superior (and bronze even better)... Now, about titanium not holding a thread, it is because it is not as stiff as steel, so the fine threads tend to bend and make it... problematic...

  • @mihalis1010
    @mihalis10105 жыл бұрын

    Another downside to Bronze: Some people have allergic reactions to the copper in it. I can't wear bronze at all. Hives suck.

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    World Known Agreed and that is why many brands use either steel or Titanium for the caseback.

  • @mihalis1010

    @mihalis1010

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelmichaels471 true. I still react to the lugs and the space around the case back. I'm so sensitive that I can't even wear some types of white gold due to the nickel content though.

  • @BobbyDazzler888
    @BobbyDazzler8885 жыл бұрын

    Can the gold from hublots magic gold be extracted into pure gold again if you wanted to?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Greg Mieg During the manufacturing process I did ask this question and was told “yes”, however I haven’t tried refining any parts to see if this is completely accurate (yet) however keep in mind that to have a carat content applied to it that means that the gold exists and therefore should be refined.

  • @apowers7783
    @apowers77835 жыл бұрын

    Stainless by day and yellow gold by night.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Nice, reminds us of superhero etiquette. "X by Day and X by night." Thanks for watching Sir! - WatchBox Team

  • @macoyupadoodle
    @macoyupadoodle5 жыл бұрын

    German Silver? What is the composition and the attributes, pros, and cons

  • @kaizen9986
    @kaizen99865 жыл бұрын

    thumbs up

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍 - WatchBox Team

  • @kishanprajapati5521
    @kishanprajapati55215 жыл бұрын

    Where is tungsten used by rado

  • @krsnatalks2795
    @krsnatalks27952 жыл бұрын

    Great Info, but looks very odd talking about metals and it's properties whilst resting on a comfy couch right in the center of the room.

  • @EnriqueGiliOrtiz
    @EnriqueGiliOrtiz5 жыл бұрын

    What about Aluminium?

  • @michaelmichaels471

    @michaelmichaels471

    5 жыл бұрын

    Enrique Doc It’s been used in cases and even in some movements, but not all that often bc it just moves and flexes too much.

  • @petesjk

    @petesjk

    5 жыл бұрын

    So for the Apple Watch, go stainless if you plan on training with it?

  • @flippinzippo9670
    @flippinzippo96705 жыл бұрын

    Phist!

  • @BobbyDazzler888

    @BobbyDazzler888

    5 жыл бұрын

    Flippin Zippo solid gold respectos

  • @CGlover113
    @CGlover1135 жыл бұрын

    Watchbox, when are yall going to realize that that camera angle does not work with that chair... the bulge is unavoidable.

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    We shot the whole season at once 😊 - One more to go and next season will have different angles. --Team WatchBox

  • @CGlover113

    @CGlover113

    5 жыл бұрын

    WatchBox Studios can't wait! Love the show!

  • @MrERLoner

    @MrERLoner

    3 жыл бұрын

    Crotchbox. Hehe Great video though

  • @funkfreeze
    @funkfreeze5 жыл бұрын

    Noomeroh oono

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Congrats!

  • @OttawaInHD

    @OttawaInHD

    5 жыл бұрын

    Lucky!

  • @1916company

    @1916company

    5 жыл бұрын

    Next time @OttawaInHD

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