People will still complain now that this ruins the momentum 🤣

What really needed fixing was the writing.. If they don't change that, it won't matter if it's 4 projects per year or 10.

@-.Outlaw.-

Ай бұрын

With less things they can hire more strictly

@brunecmatic

Ай бұрын

"Just make better movies" Good advice, maybe they should've hired you

@thehacker4012

29 күн бұрын

"What really needed fixing was the writing.. " Aside from Ant-Man 3 and The Marvels most of Marvel shows and movies have been well received.

hasn’t Disney been putting out 2-3 MCU movies every year for like 10 years already?

No one is purchasing “Wish” merch, but people STILL buy “Cinderella”merch to this day. A movie done with quality will pay out -even if it doesn’t do awesome at the box office-under the Disney machine you will still be able to make money off of that IP 10-20 years if you make the film good, memorable, and magical.

Your thumbnail misspelled "cutting".

The Incredible Hulk was not a bad film.

@johncondry234

Ай бұрын

Underrated

@PlayerPrimeX

Ай бұрын

Black 🐑

@toshtao1

Ай бұрын

It was bad by today's standards.

@PlayerPrimeX

29 күн бұрын

@@johncondry234 yep

Saw someone say Kevin is fixin to go on a 95 Jordan run

Two Marvel projects per year is a good idea. It's a good balance.

You guys failed to mention MCU Spider-Man movies. If they do 3 Disney released MCU movies, the output goes to 4 if a Sony released MCU Spider-Man movie comes out.

@nathanelb721

Ай бұрын

Plus beyond spider verse is as big as a mcu movie at this point and should be a part of this design. No outliers are allowed to be absent from this conversation. Whether it is shows like modok or the I am groot shorts.

@roderickturner9806

Ай бұрын

Disney isn't financing Spidey movies so that's an non-issue. Besides, if they release a Spidey movie Disney can or will factor that into its releases

@tomgu2285

Ай бұрын

​​@@roderickturner9806 they finance 25%. Of the spiderman movie. However yeah it shouldn't be a issue and besides spiderman 4 will probably make alot of money.

@roderickturner9806

29 күн бұрын

@tomgu2285 My bad. Still doesn't change the release plan. A Spidey movie and two Marvel movies would be three for the year.

@kyo2975

28 күн бұрын

Yeah but you missed the point that MCU Spider-Man movies are still being done by Sony. Marvel doesn't really have that much input on what they're doing, direction wise. Production wise, it's more of an outline on where the stories are going. Remember that Sony's Spider-Man is part of the MCU but they're still doing their own thing for the most part.

2021 also had 9 projects. 4 movies, 5 series.

As far as the TV shows goes from this day forward, all shows should be a minimum of 12 episodes or more for each show.

Less is more. This is a very good thing! Back to the old ways of doing things, increasing the quality and not the quantity. I LOVE THIS!

This is no surprise after Nelson Peltz criticized the direction Disney was taking especially with Iger at the helm. This is probably pressured by the board of directors, quality control is needed across the board. Make no mistake, this will be the case across all brands (i.e., Star Wars etc.,)

I feel like some of it was due to Covid delaying and stacking stuff into a couple years. Going to 2 to 3 movies per year is what they had always done. Adding 2 shows a year is good.

Just watched Toy Story 2 again today with my family. All these years later it still holds up and now I want to get my son Toy Story merch. A movie done right pays out in the long run-especially under the Disney machine.

The number is not so much the problem. It's the quality. Let's say last year they released just 2 movies and 2 shows, but they were Quantumania, The Marvels, Secret Invasion, and She-Hulk, what would that have changed? Focus on delivering something great one project at a time, and you'll be able to gradually win back the audience.

@mr.magicman1865

Ай бұрын

@jacksonwan It's still related, more content a year means less time to work on each project and less chance of getting them right, less content means more time to properly work on each project and hopefully get better results

@Brakdayton

Ай бұрын

All four had great potential. The Marvels and Quantumania could both have been great with a little tweaking. She Hulk didn’t know what it was and Secret Invasion needed a plot doctor.

@jacksonwan

Ай бұрын

@@mr.magicman1865 Sure, I'm not saying the # of projects have zero impact at all. I'm saying it can't be the only factor they look at. Even if they get it down to just 1 show and 1 movie a year, but we're still getting Quantumania and Secret Invasion-level stuff, then what?

@mediawarrior5957

Ай бұрын

churned out too much affects quality, the Disney Plan to crank out one SW film a year ran off the rails in 3 films.

@jacksonwan

Ай бұрын

@@mediawarrior5957 yes if it’s the same people working on them, but for the shows in particular, they each had their own writers rooms and directors. So I don’t necessarily want to just give them a pass. Time will tell how this plays out.

I think it's the best way moving forward

Kinda hoping they decide to throw in 1-2 tv specials a year. Not sure what budget is on those but I like the idea of specials being some kind of sidestory team up, or character introduction

I don't mind the amount or quantity of content.... I just want high quality. Each of the different outputs have different writers and directors so even if the quantity is reduced does NOT automatically equate to higher quality. High quantity and quality can both be achieved with. Multiple studios have multiple movies and series each year anyways.

I love robert Myers tee!!!! I had that same tee but it don't fit anymore

I think MCU should do 3 films a year consistently and 2 shows

@TreyJaySoSway

29 күн бұрын

that’s what they’ve been doing and it doesn’t work…

Iger greenlit all those projects, not Chapek... It was Iger who pushed for more projects before Chapek took over... Nice attempt to shift blame lol

@soundsonic2754

Ай бұрын

Wrong. Look at the phase 4 announcement in 2019 under Iger to the investor day in 2020 under chapek

@retloclive9118

29 күн бұрын

Chapek was the one who pushed for quantity over quality. Iger greenlighting a bunch of stuff had nothing to do with it.

@soundsonic2754

29 күн бұрын

@@retloclive9118 which was stated in that reign of the mcu book, they say that both Kathleen Kennedy and feige were at odds with chapek with regards to this push for streaming content

Does this mean another delay for the movies next year because right now 4 movies 2 d+ shows Captain America 4 Thunderbolts* Fantastic Four Blade (likely never coming out) will be replaced by Spider-man 4 next year hopefully 🤞

"Show Quantity" wise it may seem like a lot to keep up with, but compared to keeping up with 22 hour-long episodes a year with Agents of Shield and the Netflix Binge drops, the Disney+ output is manageable to me and way easier than keeping up with all the Arrowverse 3 to 4 shows a week.

Whatever Igers says is in effect for 2 years thats all is left on his contract. After 2 years who knows what the new guy will want.

That sounds good to me.

Yes but remember covid played a massive part of this - there was nothing in 2020 when there was meant to be about 5 so there was quite a lot of build up in the coming years

I've said for the past three years Marvel needed to cut back their output of movies and TV shows to two movies and two shows a year. Many of you said quantity wasn't the problem but quality was an issue. Well, releasing a bunch of stuff without quality talent writing and CGI personnel isn't going to produce good movies and TV shows. I say good move by Iger because oversaturation and comic book movie fatigue is real.

3 movies and 3 shows

Honestly 3 a year is still a lot imo. I think the max should be 2. DC is also aiming for 2 movies a year when the new franchise kicks off. We don't need more than 4 major CBMS a year imo.

In 2023 Marvel/Disney released Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantomania ($200 mil + $100mil for advertising), Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 ($250 mil + $100 mil) and The Marvels ($250 mil +$100 mil). The ticket sales for all three were $1.51 billion which means they roughly lost a quarter of a billion from theatrical sales alone. It is not as if they made more movies and had a smaller profit versus fewer movies with higher one. Bad movies lose money and you don't want to multiply losses. I think they are on the right track but the future will show if they will succeed.

Money blinds them.

How about 2 movies and 1 show every 2 years?

I’d take 9 marvel projects so long as they’re good, I think that’s what they should be focusing instead. Good stories.

Going back to 2 films per year would be glorious...if the writing, direction and overall quality is there of course.

I am glad. I would love to not have to bounce around all these shows. No homework. There are only so many hours in the day.

As long as they keep giving me more X-men 97, I’m good. At this point, it’s all I really care for.

Just me or does 3 movies and 2 shows still feel like too much

@MaxxRemKing1

Ай бұрын

yes

@markson810

Ай бұрын

Not if they're good

@brocklee9202

Ай бұрын

It's not you. I think they should just cut it and end the marvel shtt tbh.

@toshtao1

Ай бұрын

@@brocklee9202 Yeah, end the most profitable Hollywood franchise. LOL!

@brocklee9202

Ай бұрын

@@toshtao1 Absolutely. It won't be for long. I'm not a marvel, dc, or star wars fan, but if star wars can fall, anything can fall. And marvel stumbled, it's only a matter of time. Hollywood is an in and out business. What's in, eventually goes out. A new thing will come and take its place, I guarantee it.

Still seems a little high for my liking. A hard two movies and two shows a year I would be happy with. As far as Disney+ goes, I'd be happy to maintain my subscription for two quality shows a year rather than four weak ones. Money is tight, I want quality over quantity. Surely that means something to them.

@jtPrime

13 күн бұрын

A strong 2 and 2 a year would be good

This could be good news depending on the projects that are greenlight. I don't like the idea of there being two Marvel shows in production, unless what he means there would be two Marvel shows that is released while other Marvel projects are in one to year hiatus.

This is good for business

How does one go about “cuting” back output? 🧐 If you need a thumbnail editor/proofer give me a shout.👌🏻

@JamesWick99

Ай бұрын

Oh shieeet

They´re taking the wrong lessons from the recent failure. Quality is the issue.

@LitLounge

Ай бұрын

That's why they're doing less projects so Fiege can spend more time and attention to each project.

@Ruben-so7pu

Ай бұрын

@@LitLounge Feige has become part of the problem.

@TheRockisaBondMovie

Ай бұрын

@@Ruben-so7pusure he has 🙄 it wasn’t chapek who was a cancer the moment he took over smh

@Ruben-so7pu

Ай бұрын

@@TheRockisaBondMovie Chapek hasn´t been in charge for years, Iger has been a massive flop since he returned. People like Campea push that narrative, you believe what you want to believe, Disney as a whole has become vey political and very one sided. Give it time, either they change their path or the results are not gonna remain the same. Deadpool is a good start but somehow i don´t believe that they´ll follow that model for the next project. Chapek was nothing more than a patsy,, the guy didnt even had the time to fully implement his ideas, he was more consumer driven, Iger is more talent driven, its with people like Iger that you get things like She Hulk saying that she could be litterally murdered just for being a woman lol. The creator project themselvs and their political ideals intto something that should be entertainment for everyone.

It's gonna be an uphill battle to turn it around..

They currently have four on dock for 2025 (if Blade actually comes out then), so something will have to give there. They should only do 1-2 movies a year and 1-2 TV shows a year imo. 2021 was the only year the MCU had four movies (mostly because of the COVID year). They’ve had three films five different times (2023, 2022, 2019, 2018, and 2017), so it’s not like four movies is all that common. But it’s the amount tv shows WITH the movies that’s the problem. Reduce it to one to two movies a year with one to two TV shows a year and people will be excited when they hear about these things again.

@mutalemwananshiku4098

Ай бұрын

3 movies and 2 tv shows is fine honestly.

@ChaosmasterZ13

Ай бұрын

Next year will be four: Cap4 Thunderbolts* Fantastic4 Spider-Man 4

@TheRockisaBondMovie

Ай бұрын

Now that they have X-men it’s not gonna be possible to only do 3 a year

x-men 97 doesn’t count towards that two shows right? because they’ve gotta do a season a year

They releaswed in a 2-3 year window over 25+ projects.. For people who don't understand that means they have to hire 25+ different writers/wtiting rooms. Which means hiring less and less qualified writers each time which Feige can't oversee all at the same time

Won't will there be four movies next year?

Keep the X-Men 97 coming, and don't mind the limited MCU series, though I'm worried about Blade having to wait 5 years to get a sequel if the first one is well-liked and profitable. These phases should be shorter now that these kids are having kids themselves, and some of them are becoming grandpas and grandmas

What yall think about z Nation love that show

Marvel more than anyone needs to cut back. They've been coming out with stuff EVERY month. If not at theaters, then on television, at times both.

Likewise decisions.

Thank you finally the mcu is gonna get back to what it was originally🔥

3 movies per year !!!! Quality over quantity 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

As a fan of these movies, I think this is a solid plan. I personally don't care if they drop the TV shows altogether, or follow the old Netflix route with strong characters that don't overlap the movies. Ultimately I want to get hyped for the movies, I want the event of the Marvel movie again. I personally lost that feeling once I could watch the Disney+ shows in my lunch break, it just stopped being special.

It’s all good especially if they make 10+ episodes tv series, that gives the MCU 23 weeks in the limelight just with opening night

they have 3 movies scheduled for next yr already dont know what shows are releasing

@Robingames100

Ай бұрын

2025 shows are most likely IronHeart & Daredevil: Born Again Season 1

@adreday10

Ай бұрын

@@Robingames100 u right

@KingArthur973

Ай бұрын

And Wonder Man

Good move, maybe there’s been so much that everyone’s a bit sick of it all ….overload

they've only been putting out 'content' since Endgame and mixing the film and TV world has led to a jumbled mess, they've gotten way too big for their britches that people are exhausted and tuning out

Less projects means more effort into marketing which they desperately need to do

2 films is good. Im hesitant to say 2 shows but two shows wont pull down the quality and doesnt affect the fanbase much as only a fraction of marvel's 100 million fans use d+ so its prob fine

Mcu greatness

3 movies a year isn’t cutting back. That’s been their standard for a few years now. It should be 2 movies and 1 or 2 shows at maximum. Their shows are awful though so maybe just stop making them.

@NoName-pl7zm

Ай бұрын

They were doing 3 movies a year at their peak. 2017-2018 both had 3 movies and I’d say that’s the two best years of marvel along with 2014. The shows are terrible and they rely too much on them at the moment so I agree they should bin them

@tonileo9849

29 күн бұрын

Also 2019

How do they know how much money they make when the content goes straight to streaming? U dont know if new disney subscribers are coming on bc of this one project

Less is more... star wars and marvel need to understand that

I love the superhero genre, but Marvel really killed it for me. I just don't give a shit about it anymore. I can't get excited for any CBM's, and I don't even bother seeing them in the cinema anymore either. And it's not the, "they just need to make better movies" excuse. It's the overabundance of it - have been saying that for years; and the story never feeling like it's going anywhere, like, to an ending. Just loosely tied together by some post credits bullshit. And DC... knowing Zack Snyder (and CO) had an ending planned for the DCEU (back, as late as 2015) was the right way to go, instead of what we got, no conclusion for anything. No real ending to the main five-part story, i.e., the Snyderverse; and hell, we didn't even get an ending to Shazam and I didn't even like those films; or any of the other dumb MCU style mid-credit teases. And now WB is trying again, with James Gunn, while the genre is dying. Good luck with that.

*CUTTING

@nikkoXmercado

Ай бұрын

No, they mean cuting as in being cute. They want these new movies to be cuter a.k.a. more adorable. One of the biggest complaints with the MCU was the lack of cute marshmallow-y characters. We've only seen some in Love & Thunder but that was it. Now we'll see more pups and bubbies. Which, thank God, will finally happen.

@menfrommarvin

Ай бұрын

Perhaps they meant the content is getting "cute," which makes "cuting" sensible. "Meet Cuting"?

Mahershala Ali…. This deal is getting worse all the time! 🤦‍♂️💀🤣

@MaxxRemKing1

Ай бұрын

SOMEONE needs to use the man if Marvel isn't! He is a treasure being wasted!

Hmmm....

To be fair, 2022 and 2023 only had 3 movies each, and 4 out of those 6 movies performed very well, whether you liked them or not. But there’s no reason to release more than 3 MCU Disney+ shows and specials a year, not including “non-canon” shows like X-Men 97 and What If. Also, by the 3-movie limit logic, they’re most likely going to delay Blade yet again out of 2025.

Here’s the thing. This is yet again choices made off of the wrong lessons. It’s the writing. It’s the decisions to spend millions on bad characters and stories. If Secret Invasion was the only thing that came out on Disney+ in 2023, that wouldn’t have made anything better. This is a decision based on money. No tangible lessons were learned.

@WarMonkeyPlays

Ай бұрын

Strongly disagree with "spend millions on bad characters and stories". I don't think you can know if something is a good investment until you've dug into it quite a bit - especially when you're doing a shared universe. By that point you've had a certain thing in mind for many, many years and without taking a risk on characters that aren't safe or well known, we wouldn't have gotten GotG or even Ironman for that matter.

@pictureperfect3211

Ай бұрын

@@WarMonkeyPlays They also took time to hire good WRITERS…. They didn’t just throw money at these characters to throw it, that and they had a great cast. You missing the point.

I am at my limit with Marvel and DC too many delays….this is getting exhausting and pissing me off

@smcauley600

Ай бұрын

you don't have to watch them

@HB-fq9xu

29 күн бұрын

Smh seriously 😂 See that’s just it I’m not going to stop 🛑 but I’m getting impatient.

I’d rather they do 3 movies and 1 show. I don’t care for the shows that much

Does that 2 shows include xmen97? And yearly "what if" seems likely. So that's it, no live action?

@CAP10K1RK

Ай бұрын

i believe animation is handled by a different team so this is only about live action stuff

Focus quality, Popular Characters N fans hyped by some Cameos testing

That "too much stuff" was greenlit mostly by Iger. Nice blame shifting Bob. Chapek was CEO for like barely one year. Production takes time.

Marvels challenges come from forcing stuff on their audience. Marvels were on top after endgame not many studios came close to them. Lowering their output won't change much if the standard remains the same. They know what they have to do. Appeal to the larger demographic of their audience.

4 movies coming out in 25 . . 1 or 2 have to be delayed

@JamesWick99

Ай бұрын

Gyatt damn

@josepablodeleon6073

Ай бұрын

Yeah, maybe the 2-3 movies a year will start in 2026. They also have 3 shows next year. Daredevil, Iron Heart and maybe Wonder Man

@jojo231ful

Ай бұрын

They moved blade to 2026

@josepablodeleon6073

Ай бұрын

@@jojo231ful But Spider-Man 4?

That Deadpool jacket is 🔥, John!

Cue Cartman portraying Bob Iger going what is happening to his stock scene. Bob Iger better hope those 2-3 or whatever content they bring out will resonate with the audience cause that response to the Mufasa Lion King trailer sure is telling.

Disney plus rip

@qhorton6743

29 күн бұрын

Kinda where my mind is going. However, if they can pump out shows like Xmen '97 (quality-wise) the demand will increase and in time, that 2-show max will increase.

Why should we pay for Disney+ then????????????? That's like 15 hours of content all year?

🙏🙏🙏

Is everyone unaware that Iger has said this about 5 times already? He’s been saying this since 2019 and it’s been a lie every time

Spider-Man Disney plus series 🤣lol

Mcu needed a break after endgame.

@irishspagetti6565

Ай бұрын

for me the MCU should have ended there but ya know that would have never happened

@mohzayd1234

Ай бұрын

They had a years and a half

@LeonardoMenezes03

Ай бұрын

They had, almost two years.

@andrewoldham3675

Ай бұрын

I agree, and not the one year unplanned break they were forced to take because of the Rona. In a perfect world how I would have done it (in a perfect alternate universe world where Rona never happened) I still would have had Endgame and Far From Home come out the same summer, just to show that yes, we do plan on continuing this after Endgame (as remember, Far From Home ended with a cliffhanger), but the I would have announced the MCU will go on a two to three year hiatus. That way, it would have been a case of "absence makes the heart grow fonder," and even when some of the people who insisted that they were done with the MCU after Endgame would get to the point of thinking, "Hey, remember when we hit those Marvel Cinematic Universe films at the theaters as events? I actually miss that." Then BOOM! I would have launched Phase Four, not with Black Widow, as was originally planned before Rona, or WandaVision, like they did after Rona blew up their original plans, but with Spider-Man: No Way Home, which would have been a proper way to open The Multiverse Saga after The Infinity Saga.

Simp Campea failed to mention Disney stock crashed on earnings miss bc he’s an Iger fanboy

@mutalemwananshiku4098

Ай бұрын

It probably go back up when kingdom of the planet of the apes does well.

@Jay-jb2vr

Ай бұрын

Valiant Renegade enters the chat..

@ElmerPonceCastro

Ай бұрын

On god

@HarlanEllisonlives

Ай бұрын

The market is irrational at times. If you followed the market you would know that.

@cowboywayne35

Ай бұрын

He does a movie show, not a stock market show. Think before you speak.

Only two shows means a yearly D+ sub is not worth it. Maybe if Lucasfilm made good shows but since they don't they should expect a significant amount of sub loss.

My man, Bob Iger greenlit all the mediocre content up to Quantumania. He’s to blame as much as Chapek. Proof is D23 2019 where they announced all the projects we all classify from mid to pretty bad

@HarlanEllisonlives

Ай бұрын

Just because you greenlight content doesn't mean your around for the final product. If you have igers work diary to proof what he okayed on each step of all the content feel free to print it.

@avip8539

Ай бұрын

You can green light without saying put them all out immediately. They could have paced them out.

@HarlanEllisonlives

Ай бұрын

@@avip8539 do you have notes on what was said at the meeting?? Feel free to show your I side information.

Looking at the 2022 Marvel slate of projects it's not really nine full projects. You had four movies which is one more than he said would be the max of three, you had two TV shows She-Hulk and Moon Knight. I am Groot was a handful of animated shorts now we're only a few minutes long, the Guardians holiday special was one episode and werewolf by night was one episode so you're talking about two shows and two episodes which is really two episodes more than two shows

@Hghfjfjhe4

Ай бұрын

That‘s a lot

The proof is in the pudding? What kind of alcohol are they putting in the pudding?

Oh noooo, anyway if you'll excuse me I have a ton of anime and kdramas to watch.

Less is more

Bring back Gemma Chan and we found out that Sersi had an affair with Howard Stark in 1940s

They need to start putting dudes in these movies, and make them great and straight. 😂

@toshtao1

Ай бұрын

Grow up.

@mohzayd1234

Ай бұрын

Men does determine the success of a movie

That’s what happens when they put out trash ass movies and series 😂😂

Aye yo John you looking cute like a mofo

Lol, cutting movies in a franchise to 2 or 3 a year. Ridiculous

@Madeintheshade65

29 күн бұрын

That’s what the old Marvel format was about 3 movies a year

Sure. Two movies will be fine, but does one of them have to be Kravan the Hunter? Couldn't that be not counted?

@prochetoshsanyal

Ай бұрын

its not mcu. When they say Marvel, it means Marvel studios. Kraven, Venom, Morbius, Madame web are sony.

@elchamber

Ай бұрын

@@prochetoshsanyal okay. And eww. 😂

@prochetoshsanyal

Ай бұрын

@@elchamber 😂😂

@prochetoshsanyal

Ай бұрын

@@elchamber Understandable

@elchamber

Ай бұрын

@@prochetoshsanyal I saw Madame Web. It was okay. Nothing special, but the last scene in the movie was like a slap on the face. Them laughing at me for watch their movie. How dare they?!

Marvel is shite?

@TheArtkaw

Ай бұрын

Xmen 97 is amazing lol

@MaxxRemKing1

Ай бұрын

@@TheArtkaw X Men 97 is amazing

@cowboywayne35

Ай бұрын

​@@TheArtkaw It's a cartoon

@PlayerPrimeX

Ай бұрын

Blame them