It's always fascinating to see Christians say "Bart Ehrman is my favorite scholar, I go with the scholarship on whether any given bible story is true" and yet still believe in the resurrection. Does this guy think Bart Ehrman concludes that Jesus rose from the dead?

@quotedotes

Ай бұрын

No, they think that they're attached to an emotional identity, and they're desperately looking for things to confirm their bias.

@brianray2614

Ай бұрын

Classic case of confirmation bias. Touché’

Holy crap, FIRST! I like this caller. He is actually willing to have a conversation, instead of preaching from a script.

@adamcroft80

2 ай бұрын

Holy crap! No one cares!!

@geraldammons5520

20 күн бұрын

I care, also. Caller IS open to new ideas. He also is more honest than most theists.

I was like Mark, constantly redefining god in an attempt to have him make sense. At 54 I finally stepped completely across the line saying to myself, if god was real I shouldn't have to be doing this. If there is a god and he wants me to believe, he knows where to find me.

@ronhansen8471

2 жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct but for God to choose someone they must have the right heart condition

@bernierasmusson9257

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronhansen8471 Poetic language and verbal vagueries do nothing to show the truth of your point. Say what you mean.

@ronhansen8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@bernierasmusson9257 While I try not to use poetic language and verbal vagueries I cannot change scripture or the truth of God's word the bible. I cannot make a person understand what they do not understand.

@bernierasmusson9257

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronhansen8471 Can you make me understand why you choose to believe in a concept that you cannot show to be true?

@ronhansen8471

2 жыл бұрын

@@bernierasmusson9257 can you prove the bible is false?

Well I'm an atheist, and I don't believe the entire bible.

@conscienceaginBlackadder

2 жыл бұрын

The parallel is an atheist who does not believe the entire Randi anti-paranormal line

@gspendlove

2 жыл бұрын

@@conscienceaginBlackadder Anti-Randi atheists have obviously never read _Flim-Flam! Psychics, Unicorns and Other Delusions._ In that book, Randi knocks down the paranormal dominoes one by one until they all fall.

Mark: The new testament was just writings made by human beings. Also Mark : I trust biblical scholars to determine the truth of accounts.

@wingmanbbc

2 жыл бұрын

What ever happened to recognizing truth as truth? I believe in my ability to recognize truth. The truth doesn't require indoctrination. False beliefs always do.

@ronhansen8471

2 жыл бұрын

The new testament were letter written to the Christian congregations by the then acting governing body consisting of the apostles and other spiritual men. The gospels are about the life of Jesus Christ so that future disciples have an example to follow

@quotedotes

Ай бұрын

Nope. The truth is, we have zero idea who wrote the gospels. The names they gave them were simply given by "church tradition", and that's bogus evidence.

I felt myself welling up at the honesty of that caller. Another vodka or two an the dam would have burst. 😭 ❤

@kyleepratt

Ай бұрын

Man yeah, I wasn't ready for 15mins in and onward. Dude is so sweet and thoughtful, and really expressed touching appreciation of the show and community 😭

Indoctrination & conditioning may create a lot of followers, but does that make it true? Knowing & recognizing truth can be available to all. Yet many may have lost their way.

@jdtown6585

2 жыл бұрын

Great post, buy many never had a chance to find their way in the first place. Most of us were born into religion and remain indoctrinated throughout life. I'm lucky to have found my way out of the chains of a cult.

This was a great show. I'm biased because it sounds similar to my journey. However at 47 I now realize I'm an atheist.

Great call. 👍

Love this pairing! More please!

Johnny. I attended Anglican church through most of my childhood, in 1970s Wales, + was never aware of the idea of Jesus saving us from our sins at all. Now that I know the words that refer to it, I know that it was in the Sunday service liturgy hidden behind big words, like "oblation" and "substitution", but I was oblivious to their meaning at the time. Though in my teens I saw the sacrifice saving us doctrine in the beliefs the Jehovah's and the Armstrongists, I just thought it was part of their own silliness. Was actually into my 20s before I realised it was the mainstream Christian idea .

Excellent gentleman

Johnny is a legend. Made for this shit.

A Christian is someone who says, "I am a Christian".

Kenneth is awesome!

@greeneyedlady5580

Ай бұрын

I know that he was taking some time of because he and his wife were having a baby, but I really wish they'd get him back on the show. He's really good at cutting through the BS.

In the trees flinging shit at each other ROFLMO

According to the bible . God told Noah (900 yr old Noah) that he was angry and was going to drown everything on earth. Yet when they crucified his only son, no body drowned? What ,That wasn't enough to get god mad? NEVER HAPPENED.

@davidjanbaz7728

2 жыл бұрын

U seem totally confused! 900 year old is Noah' clan age not his personal age and the Flood was a Large Regional flood not a Global Flood . And the Earth is 3.9- 4.2 billion years old You don't have to Believe in hyper-literalist fundamentalism to be a Christian.

@richardthomas1531

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidjanbaz7728 what Bible did you find Regardless it's all bullshit.

@jiggyguy7782

Ай бұрын

God said that he wouldn't drown the Earth a second time. Learn the lore before typing like an idiot. I bet you thought you were clever.😂

I am a lifelong atheist. According to legend jesus died for our sins thereby allowing believers to go to heaven. I ain’t smart but I know that much.

If I recall correctly, original sin isn't in the Bible, it's a doctrine developed after the Bible. When I was Mormon, I didn't belive in original sin. The idea was that Jesus died to "pay for" each individual person's sins, and to make it possible for every one to be resurrected.

Doesn't the christian god tell christians that there are other gods but he want to be number one?

None of the early creeds (Apostles' Creed, Nicene Creed etc) say you must "believe" in the bible, or believe the bible is inerrant. I suppose you could suggest the creed writers took that for granted and hence didn't mention it, but the creeds mentioning believing in God which would be even more likely to be "taken for granted".

At least Mark is honest about the fact that he cherrypicks from the dogma. He just needs to get rid of all the other superstition and then he'd understand the natural perspective.

How’s that prophecy fulfillment “The Abraham Accord” going?

Mark just turn off your radio and stick to doing your job.

Walking on water: don't believe God can do it Dying and coming back from the dead: Basis for his entire religion Seems like he's just clinging on for dear life.

A Christian is a person who follows in Christ Jesus footsteps and complies with the Christian law of love.

@Gerryjournal

Ай бұрын

How foolish. Learn to think, to question. Try saying 'why' more often

I like Mike

I have a theory. It's a good one. It's about God. Gaia is your ad sponsor. That's Krazy Nuts.

Great point by the guys; original sin to me is what makes christianity nothing more than an obvious protection racket: we are going to make up a problem you don’t really have, so you’ll give us power (& money) to fix your non-existent problem....I’m certainly not a christian so my opinion doesnt really matter , but when I consider it see there is only a few necessary core actual beliefs - existence of supreme being, existence of Jesus ( but not necessarily was the son of god), existence of original sin, that God resurrected him and that’s the ultimate destiny and objective of humans to be free from death. I would think if you don’t do believe any of those you probably can’t call yourself a christian?

I think that this caller has spent WAY too much time on pondering about God. Essentially he is just as loosely wired, mis-guided and deluded as all other Theist.. Probably (because of all his home made theories) more so.

When you find out the bible is b/s but you're still desperate to hold on!!!!!

I'd suggest original sin isn't very important to the idea of salvation. Speaking in terms of theology, not claiming to prove any of this just as an exercise in theology and philosophy, there's still all the immoral or I'd you prefer sinful things we as humans do. Are you a bad person? Hopefully not, I dont know you how can I say for sure, but every good person I have met or heard of has things they've done they aren't proud of and see as morally wrong. Even without original sin there's still all of those things we as a species do. Doesn't prove a divine iudgemrlent let alone God but would leave immoral behavior or sin to forgive. Could Jesus or his sacrifice do that different question but original sin isn't all that necessary

God knows the future, right? So when he made heaven and put a tree there that no one was supposed to eat from HE KNEW that someone would eat from it even before he made Adam, because god can see the future. That alone should make you halt belief in a TON of things about the bible.

so he decided that parts of the bible are fiction and other parts are true. what is the criterion for the distinction since all he knows about his tribal israelite god is from the bible so cherry picking and preferences are in order!

He's not a Christian, he's deceived

@canbest7668

2 ай бұрын

Being a Christian is to be deceived.

@Gerryjournal

Ай бұрын

Arn't all christians deceived?

@canbest7668

Ай бұрын

@@Gerryjournal yep

Former church of Christ. He's about to be an atheist.

Cherry-picking the Bible with no rhyme or reason.

@kyleepratt

Ай бұрын

To be fair, he seems to have more reason than most folks. Every single Christian cherry picks with the Christian Bible, it's impossible not to. Different writers in it disagree with eachother, so everyone has to at least pick which to focus on and which to ignore.

you lost me at he/him

@hailsagan8886

2 жыл бұрын

Bye,felicia

@greeneyedlady5580

Ай бұрын

You poor poor delicate little snowflake. You're just bent out of shape because "potato" isn't one of the options.