I updated some of the distortion measurements in my bench test since I posted this supplementary video. I had an improper setting in my test gear that resulted in slightly elevated distortion levels (ie. 96dB vs 101 dB SINAD). Although this is inaudible, I wanted to update to properly reflect just how clean the preamp section is in the Marantz AV 10. You can read the updated report here: www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/marantz-av-10-15.4ch-processor

Please benchtest the Cinema 40. Its more within my budget limit.😅

Been wanting to see this. Thank you Gene

Sure would like a comparison with Anthem processor.

Gene. This is an excellent technical summation of the AV10. I just ordered one to replace my aging AV7702MKII and can't wait to receive it. Thanks so much for all you do.

Great review as always Gene!

Soundly Excited to watch this.

Thanks for another greatttt review.

Nice. I have a previous generation marantz preamp. I love it. Cool to see this

Excellent review Gene! Thanks! We won't find this level of critical look with the measurements on the traditional big name mags and their websites. I can't wait to see your comparative review between Audyssey and Dirac on the AV 10.

Would absolutely love to see the comp debate between Storm / Trinnov and what you get above the AV 10

Corrections: 11:50 You can adjust crossover frequency based on the LFE setting. Slope is fixed at 12dB/oct for recombination to the associated large speaker groups. 12:48 the feature is called Bass ReDirection 15:40 1 Sub vs 4 Mono-Split

Gene, good to see you again. 6 and 12 volt output on the preouts, wow.

Great job boss.

I was looking forward to this Gene

Great Video. Thank you..

This is one of those amplifiers you would highly consider taking out a loan for.

Can't tell you how pleased I am to see the iconic ole US manufacturers name "Marantz" making a statement measuring product like this !!! Also I want to thank Audioholics, along with Amir at ASR for doing and publishing these in-depth measuring reports. Just a couple years back the AVR & Pre/Pro products were the red-headed stepchildren of audio. Most measured quite poorly and had audible weaknesses because of that. But in recent years the manufacturers feet have been held to the fire with the results being things like this Marantz along with some very improved lower cost AVR's from both Denon and Marantz. I'm sure other builders won't let the moss grow over their toes and in a few years we should see these type of improved products becoming the norm rather than the exception. With the explosion of multich sources on streaming and SOTA optical products along with newer software like Atmos, Sony's 3d, and Auro, the future for music reproduction's so bright I gotta wear shades. Sal1950

Always great reviews. Interested in your opinion on how it sounds compared to other processors. I own a Marantz SR8015 which I may upgrade in the future.

@lamb88ert

Жыл бұрын

How much you want for it

Would love to hear you, Gene, and Matt Poes' review of the Bass Management features of the AV10. Specifically, how it would relate to running 4 corner multi-sub. If all 4 subs are working as one, using phase and delay for better room mode response, etc. How would it work to then use this "sub zone" routing? Sounds like it's an "either/or" proposition, not both? It seems there's a lot to cover since this is "new ground" for Bass Management, etc. Which would be 'better'? Can you take advantage of both?

NICE!!!!!

Please do a 2-channel review of this product as well (and atmos music as well)

That thing is a monster, not that I can afford it. The latest and greatest eventually trickles down to lower models over time, so I try to keep an eye on new stuff.

Nice! I've had one since January. I have 16 channels of class d in 2 enclosures so I didn't go with the amp10 but I think I made the right call. Dirac vs audyssey will be interesting. I've been testing all sorts of dirac vs audyssey(multeq-x) and the bottom line is that audyssey does not do a great job with subs regardless of the 4 preouts. If I use 4 preouts it won't tighten my bass very much. If I do a little tuning with a minidsp and feed it as 1 sub it makes it so much better. Audyssey is ok if you are flat to begin with, but dirac does a much better job at correcting large inconsistencies

Thanks Gene - just purchased and received. I've got 2 JBL Synthesis SSW-3 subs for front left and right and 2 JBL Synthesis SSW-4 subs for back left and right. I can obviously connect these to the 4 sub pre-outs; however if I want to add tactile transducers for our 4 theater seats, is the only way to add this to sub #4 pre-out and then combine the 2 SSW-4s as 1 sub zone as sub # 3 pre-out? What would you recommend?

Thanks Gene! I've waiting for your review of the AV10...Also, the best part of the review ((Keep Listening) was cut by the advertisement...

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

I saw that but didn't feel like doing a whole reshoot late last night 😢

@michaelslocumbsr.2286

Жыл бұрын

@@Audioholics No problem Gene! I'll keep listening...

It’s so interesting that we now have this 4 zone bass control emerging. With most atmos installs aiming at 4 ceiling channels. And 5.1 being basically 4 channels plus a center. It’s like the second coming of quadraphonic. Imagine a 4.4.4 system. Imagine how that could be easily packaged in sets, so you get a sub a tower and a ceiling speaker all packaged and sold in the same box. I know it’s a cookie idea, but sometimes money talks, and if it makes economical sense for manufacturers and conaumers to package a trio of speakers like that, then who knows maybe we’ll turn to a quadraphonic world of 4.4.4 with phantom centers and incredible bass. I could even see the form factor of the speaker cabinets conforming to the idea of packing all 3 together. Maybe even making for tall subwoofer’s. Or maybe compact pairs of satellite speakers sold with subs. Two sets being enough for a 4.0.2 (alternative to 5.1) while 1 set being enough for a stereo setup. Which allows for flexible inventory for manufacturers, and flexible upgrade paths for consumers. The art being the ability to pull off a compact satellite speaker thats both small enough to be happy on the ceiling, and large enough to be happy to listen to. Which undoubtedly would lend itself to leaning heavily on the subs to help carry the midbass. Which is kinda the idea, that 4.4.4 would have allot more budget spent on subs than a 5.1 or 7.4.2. The idea really lends itself to having copious amounts of bass coverage relative to the other channels in the system. But maybe they’re not woosy satellites, maybe they’re sleek towers that when on the ceiling look like beams or rails. That esthetic may be even better than port holed in ceilings. Especially if you let the wife paint them. A system could even go up the wall and across the ceiling in one continuous cabinet. So like two square arches that look like architectural supports. You probably would need to custom order the exact dimensions, but maybe still the basic elements could be in a single standardized box. In North America most everyone’s ceilings are 8-9’ tall. So a box of 8’ speakers, for both wall and ceiling would just need a few special order trim pieces to customize for deviations. Maybe even have the packaging materials double as acoustic panels. And of course you got an 8’ tall subwoofer in there too and a bottle of aspirin for the UPS guy lol

Hey, Just interested to see how would this compare to the Storm ( As they both could support Dirac and :) )

Great review Gene, thanks. Which DAC filter setting did you test in (Filter 1 (Marantz sound) or Filter 2 (Benchtest))? Curious as to the difference between the two in distortion!

@Audioholics

9 ай бұрын

I prefer benchtest filter. Filter 1 seems too laid back in high frequencies for my preference.

Love all the video ideas you have planned out! I was looking into high end AVR’s but perhaps i make the plunge into these separates

@Raritytuber

Жыл бұрын

I am debating that myself these days.

@roco9504

2 ай бұрын

@@happydogg312 I don’t even need much power 😅 Just 7 channel (don’t thiiink I’ll go atmos idk) but I have Klipsch flagship speakers so everything is quite efficient. Even the surrounds rated at 94db I would like class D amplification though & good processing. Who knows though, if I do ever go atmos & with a larger room then more power could be a bonus too.

@roco9504

2 ай бұрын

@@happydogg312 nice! Eventually when I have my own place I’d like to get a dedicated 20a outlet as well. That you know of if I connect my Panamax to it, would I still benefit from the extra wattage gain from the 20a line 🤔

Well, it might be time to bring back my Definitive techs BP's with their powered subwoofers built into them.

IF YOU HAD TO CHOOSE FROM THE DENON TOP OF THE LINE ( WHICH I SAW YOUR REVIEW BY THE WAY ) AND THIS ONE WHICH ONE WILL YOU CHOOSE??

Will you put the Marantz Cinema 40 through the same tests?

Hi Gene, I have the AV 10 and decided to upgrade my height speaker to Bowers CT7.3 LCRs for more depth and sometimes run them full range off of the AMP10 bridged, is there any way to know what the auto setting is? Because as with the bed layer we have options yet with the heights under the distribution menu option there are no options.

I'm hoping someone can explain a comment made in the review. It says that the AV 10 "isn't a true differential design" when discussing the balanced XLR outputs. This was also mentioned in this video. What does this mean and in what circumstances would this matter? Is it that the unbalanced outputs will provide a cleaner signal that the XLR? Thank you!

Audioholics is awesome. Can't wait for the Denon A1H bench test...

@LEMON48

14 күн бұрын

Exactly , now after 14 moths on sale , still no A1H bench test from Gene !!!!!!!! Come on man , make finally this .

Sold my Pioneer Elite VSX503, made $200 more than I paid in 2019 and bought a used in excl cond Onkyo RZ830 for $350...and both movies and music sounded better and more powerful even with the same specs! The Onkyo Audissey seemed create a better sound configuration. The sound pre-sets sounded livelier than the Pioneer's. I couldn't be happier as I felt the Pioneer amp was weaker and movies didn't sound as big as the Onkyo. Pioneer had a lot of little issues liek upgrading firmware and GUI seemed slower. With the Pioneer I had to turn up to -17db and with the Onkyo only -22-24 for movies.

I use a HTPC and route the LFE to my main speakers via the free software Element into a 5.0 Dirac Live VST plugini. No need for fancy expensive stuff.

Hi just got a Marantz 7706 thinking about hooking up crown XLS 1002 amplifier for main's, surround, center channel and top Dolby Atmost. Total of 4 amps is my Marantz capable of driving this amps as far output voltage?

At this price level it needs full Dirac (Bass management), and promise of anounced and upgraded Dirac version. In 2023 nothing else is acceptable.

@janthomassrensen1065

Жыл бұрын

Dirac Live Bass Manegement will be coming to the compatible Denon/Marantz products in about a year. Doesn´t come for free. Dirac full bandwith is 349 dollars and Bass Manegement around 3-400 dollars

@haknys

Жыл бұрын

@@janthomassrensen1065 Thank you. I hope that information is from the Denon/Marantz product page. Dirac is releasing a new (very interesting) version soon, based on new technology. I think Storm said early that they will support it. Important for product value and longevity that an processor can be uppgraded to new tech.

@janthomassrensen1065

Жыл бұрын

@@haknys That is an official announcement from Denon/Marantz. I think it was from a KZread video where some german sounding guy talked in detail about the AV 10 and the differences between the 8805 and AV10. One sidenote he mentioned was that DLBM will be coming to Marantz (and Denon) early 2024. Not sure if that would be a never version than the one they have now. It might have something to do with the 4 individual sub outs, that could be the reason it´s not out now

How does the Anthem AVM 90 compare?

Curious on if there’s a difference on specific XLR cables? Do you mind sharing what XLR cables you used for the bench test.

@Audioholics

9 ай бұрын

Belden from Bluejeanscable.com

That av 10 is a beast, I’m hoping the 7706 replacement is more affordable.

@southpaw9995

Жыл бұрын

I would think the price will be $3-4k retail. Will be obtainable for less than that via a custom install dealer though.

@supernovamoore6175

Жыл бұрын

@@southpaw9995 I’ve seen street prices around 6,000 but that’s still more than I’m willing to pay right now. The replacement for the 7706 might be 3,500-4,500 range to complete with the avm 70

Would you buy this AV10 over the JBL SDP 58?

How would this compare to the MacIntosh MR 123 A/V processor ....? The Mac is more money ...but is that money for the name or the quality? or both?

I'm not going to buy one of these, as I have no need or space for 15 channels...lol. However, it was interesting to why you do certain measurements and what they mean in regards to any system. Thanks!

Is it possible to setup the speakers differently for different listening situations? If I listen to stereo I want my large fronts to play full range stereo and not have subwoofers active but when I watch movies I obviously want them active.

@Audioholics

Ай бұрын

Yes, you can, but with proper sub integration, you should never need to turn them off even for music.

I can't wait to see how it compares with the $18,500.00 Trinnov 16.

Do you still need mini dsp if using dirac bass control?

@ericshutter5305

Ай бұрын

I got 2 HD mini dsp but don't need/use them anymore. Using 5 subs with DL BC multisub and it's great ... never had such good bass with so little setup :) Just measured and set the wanted profile. Warning the UMIK-2 didn't match DL well ... needed to use the UMIK-1.

Gene 12:46 you make the SpongeBob blink sound effect. Thanks

Thanks Gene, appreciate your review. My question would be doesn't the AVM 90 have these features as well? Would of swore it has one of the most advanced tinkering utilities.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

AVM 90 has lots of advantages but it doesn't have LFE bass distribution or directional bass features.

Is that a CMU?

So would the back subs not play much with the bass re-direction mode on? Seems like it. Doesn’t seem like anyone would want that.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

They would only play bass from surround bass managed speakers sides and rears and LFE. You can stillcadjust each sub level independently.

HDAM or software bug with the surround channel aberrant rolloff.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

Good question.

LFE Bass Routing - Have watched a lot of your videos and find the reviews useful. One thing you got incorrect in this one here is the claim that this feature is a first for a Japanese receiver. I would like to point out that the lack of LFE Bass Routing in previous models of Denon/Marantz was precicely the reason I ended up buying the Yamaha RX-A2080 couple years back. In fact I have a Yamaha RX-595a fron 1997 which also is does LFE Bass Routing out of the box. I wanted Marantz/Denon for a change but was shocked to find out what I considered a basic feature. I did call them and inform of this and perhaps it was heard finally. FYI, in Yamaha, all you do for LFE Bass Routing is to setup Subwoofer as NO and Front Left/Right as Large and the receiver will do the right thing and route LFE bass into them. PS. Even Onkyo/Pioneer I believe does the same thing but don't hold me to it as I'm not 100% confident about that. Thanks for the good work.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

No Yamaha product to date does LFE routing to un-bass managed channels UNLESS you turn off the subwoofer channel. In that case, it will route LFE to the front main channels. Onkyo/Pioneer is the same. NOBODY has this feature right now other than Denon/Marantz and if you step up to Trinnov or Storm Audio.

Can you compare this processor to the Anthem AVM90

@shinvergil

Жыл бұрын

Anthem (70 atleast) has an audible fan vibration noise.

@southpaw9995

Жыл бұрын

The on screen menu is exponentially better with Marantz and Denon compared to Anthem. This is a big deal for me and why I’ll be sticking with Marantz. Anthem needs to step up their game in that area.

All I want to know is if it is finally worth replacing my 8802A and feeding my 8002, 8008BB & X3's.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

I really hope Denon/Marantz etc. compensate you for all of your ideas that they have incorporated into their products.

Have the Denon AVR-A1H and argue it has all the same functionality as the AV10 (Less XLR and HDAMS) comes with a slew of fully assignable amps and preouts, same DSP and DACs as the Marantz. I think the denon is outrageously expensive but the mcdaddy of AVR and by comparison the Marantz is way over priced. But that is only MY opinion.

@xmj6830

Жыл бұрын

You're right. The consumer is doomed to pay the interest loan following the acquisition of Sound United by Masimo last year at US$1B...You won't get my money Masimo greedy white collars!

@shiranRSA

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the A1H fully bench tested and reviewed

@franklintorres1440

24 күн бұрын

BUT IN YOUR HONEST OPINION WHICH YOU THINK IS BETTER BETWEEN THE TWO? IM GONNA BUY ONE IN FEW MONTHS BUT IM STILL DOING MY HOMEWORK

@pumpituphomeboy

24 күн бұрын

@@franklintorres1440 For me all day long I will go with the denon. The money saved will allow you purchase superior amplification or more importantly speakers with the money saved. Peopl talk about balanced connections being superior.....balanced connections only matter when running long distances between processor and amp. The denon has 4 balanced xlr which can be used for 4 subs which may have a reasonable distance from the A1H or AV10 which ever you choose. Also note that you can assign the 4 XLR on denon to be front and center channel outputs if you wish. I currently run my fronts from xlr 1&2 to a class d amp for my fronts. XLR 3&4 to my 2 subs that have xlr input. And use RCA for subs 3&4 in my setup. Dont forget you can also reassign all the amps in the denon too. I am using the 2 front amps in my A1H to bi-amp my center channel. Whatever you choose you will enjoy the flexibility. If you have any questions just reply and good luck.

Thank you for the measurements, but you are the only one very happy with these results (regarding SINAD). I would consider myself happy with values well over 100 dB SINAD, 'clean' THD+N at 4 to 6V output, in full frequency spectrum on both RCA and XLR outputs (XLR outputs which are not in fact true balanced outputs = cheap approach, as you said also). Also...80 dB channel separation? This is an allover cheap, compromise tech solution implementation in AV10, not worthy of a flagship name.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

Recheck my measurement report. I had a setting wrong on my AP that reduced SINAD performance. I measured 106dB at 4Vrms and confirmed Marantz measurements. This is a class leading product in terms of features and measurements. Be careful obsessing about an instant gratification # that isn't discernable by the ear. Chasing SINAD is no way to make a purchasing decision.

Ils ont changé ma chanson, ma

Why was I thinking you were going to try to bench press this equipment??

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

Too easy

Gene "I did a whole video OK this" DellaSala

Wait: No Component out?? 🤣

The marantz av 10 is superior to the marantz av 8805A in terms of definition, three-dimensional acoustic precision, cinema effect

@janthomassrensen1065

Жыл бұрын

The AV10 and 8805 have the same main processor though. But other factors might be in play for the overall sound impression.

@francescoesposito1398

Жыл бұрын

@@janthomassrensen1065 Has anyone made a comparison?

LOL gene laughing at the SINAD heads. 🎉 Does Amir know how to do a FFT plot???? Bought and paid for by Topping and Everclear.

@Audioholics

Жыл бұрын

There is nothing special about SINAD. It's ridiculous to even include it when I show % THD+N but I want to make everyone happy.

Out of my price range lol

Most of audio reviews is like a beauty peagant review. Audioholics is like doing a freakin heart surgery on audio stuff. Salute !!! 🫡