I'm glad I dug deep enough to find his Harvard lectures, the class involvement makes it even more interesting (and amusing)!

The whole class is awesome. Engaged, curious and challenging JP's Viewpoints on the subject. Unlike a lot of students we see recently being produced by colleges today.

The most intense lecture so far. It was really mind-blowing.

Dr. Peterson's total honesty about being unprepared in the last two sessions is quite refreshing and indicative of the fact that he does, in fact, operate in truth.

@harrisonbergeron9746

3 жыл бұрын

@@bernardlesperance742 citation needed

19:54 A great example of the problems that accompany group identification. "A person in that situation has constructed up the world so that simultaneously they can be protected, although they are cowardly, from anomalous information with the group identification, and they can have all the advantages of retaining their cruelty, resentment, and hatred while justifying the moral." Sounds familiar.

I swear at the very end of this class you can hear someone weeping, choked up- Brilliant emotion brought by Peterson

His hand gesture game was on point even back in the day 👐

Seeing my hero so young is kinda nuts

@qthirteen13

3 жыл бұрын

not hearing the sound intro to Seinfeld on these videos is so weird 😁

@beeheeyu2271

2 жыл бұрын

He was more laid back then at Harvard, his talk became more forceful and passionate and more interesting as the years went by

This might be the most important part of this journey. The pivot you took here was extremely significant.

mythology in the guise of science! What! It's surprising because it makes sense!

When it was pointed out that the process of renewal by the hero involves some destruction which looks very much like the sort of destruction that would be invoked by an agent of chaos, I remembered that in the movie "Pinocchio" all the time Pinocchio and his father were trying to escape from inside the whale, and in the end using fire in order to do so, Pinocchio's conscience in the form of the bug J.C. had been absent.

The positive actively updates the society for the better, the negative always actively destroys, but when the positive is more powerful, the effort to destroy can be used to bring good.

I take it that Jordan Peterson is quote clever.

Oooohhhh.... the 90s.... 😊

Thanks jordan peterson ,, ok thanks ❤ Love from sweden Stockholm

42:38 = Pride, never thought of it as "refusal to admit to error" before

this is a heavy chapter, the heaviest so far

1:30:00 High Neuroticism Low Politeness

1:20:58 Unpredictable=unfair=unjust

Last day of the last hour of the last minute of the last second of the course, “we’ll cover that later In the course” 🤔😱🤔

@finneganmcbride6224

4 жыл бұрын

Alex Wolf there are 3 more videos in the ciurse

Kurt cobain always giving some deep insights. Sometimes unnecessary.

1:22:34 "uh oh" lol

I wonder why he took down 4 of the portraits on the wall as the course went on, I know that was a few classes ago.

@bethsnider9639

4 жыл бұрын

In order use the overhead projector.

The thing I don't understand is this: Why would the positive and negative aspect of the Great Mother be on reverse sides as the positive and negative aspects of the Great Father and Individual?

@mrVSBU

6 жыл бұрын

Because the good side of culture is saving individual from bad effect of unknown (from chaos, too much of disruptive information) but completely isolating individual from the chaos, stops individual's progress, improvement (small amount of chaos let's you improve and learn to adapt)

@ThrashLawPatentsAndTMs

3 жыл бұрын

the irony as it seems to me is that the chaotic Great Mother death is a physical one, while the Great Father death is an emotional one.

Wow!!!

If you've dug deep enough to find this, welcome. Glad you're here!

There's always one, isn't there... Hahaha

Vulnerable pink thing 🧠

1:32 Now I see when it comes to faith, it does boil down to individual choices. It's not that there is not a solution provided by God but just that it's unacceptable to our own sense of fairness/understanding. When there're a number of us agreeing with each other, rejecting God's solution becomes so easy. It's simply too hard to let go of the need to be in control in all circumstances. Talking about methodologies only exist in science not in morality, it's just that the objective right and wrong is more obvious in the nature, which is a 'given' in a definite way independent of any human efforts. Culture affects our way of thinking, but just as it can't dictate an educated person on scientific topics, it has no final say on us either. What is needed is simply correctly guided observation and studying on the laws of spirituality and morality.

this is my day-12

1:32 destroys JP’s total argument. Jp is judging evil. Wgich is not justifiable. Submitting to god is also accepting that evil people might have a point.

So the self conscious fool is the hero.

1:27:13

What group do i need to identify with?

@vishvnaik2756

4 жыл бұрын

Vaughn A. Vickers try to identify with your soul.

@Bogdanisar

3 жыл бұрын

One of the ideas that's been underlined repeatedly is that blindly/indefinitely identifying with any one group is a bad idea. So I suppose that the answer is "Neither" or "All of them". Or another way of looking at it is to say that the solution is to identify with the group of individuals that updates groups. This was referred to as a "meta-group" in a previous lecture. Something else Dr. Peterson said that is related to this: Don't look for the answer to the question "What is the good?". Instead, look for the answer to the question "What is the process by which you answer the question 'What is the good?' ". This would mean that you shouldn't look for one absolute answer to any situation and problem (such as a group or an ideology), because there isn't really such a thing, but instead accept the concept that any current idea you have at a certain point in time is imperfect and can and should be continuously updated to something that, if you willingly and correctly take into account new information, will be better.

@visfor9355

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bogdanisar this makes sense and I actually always thought this just didn't fully articulate that it's the process I identify with or that I could look at the group I should identify with would be the one that updates and identifies with the processes that determine what is good rather than what has been determined to be good.

I'm trying to take Islamic theology and apply JB's Jungian approach to morality. I'm doing my reading but that sorta thing requires ... (add a damn post-rationalization here explaining away lack of resources) ... I wish I can...there's such fertile ground there. Islam came after Christianity so there's a bunch load of ideas that are further refined. at 1:32:00 a fellow student even points that out...and I'm here shouting at my screen, YES! IN ISLAMIC TRADITION A IT WORKS LIKE THAT, TRADITION B (E.G. SUFISM) WORKS JUST LIKE THAT... GOD! THAT'D BE SUCH A GOOD CONTRIBUTION TO HUMAN ENDEAVOR.

he's so young hahaha

I hope Kevin McDonald plays him in the Jordan Peterson movie.

@jonathansantos4465

Жыл бұрын

Daniel Day Lewis

The original sin is not curiosity but the conscious choice to disobey God to become like God, which is the fundamental form of pride. Curiosity is like beauty, wealth, knowledge and power, having no sin in itself but a gift from God. We sin by abusing them and believing we created and own them. The difference between the man-made walled garden and the Garden of Eden is like the difference between the heaven and the earth. No suffering doesn't mean Nothing, but either real long lasting goodness (e.g peace and joy) within Eden, or fake shortliving goodness in that manmade walled prison, which is what humans can do at our best. Conscience of self has been there since the very beginning or else Eve wouldn't have understood the concept of 'you' when the snake said: ''you'll become like God.'' Humans know there is 'me' intuitively. But the knowledge about 'me', God and others need to be learned. Humans out of pride and lack of wisdom always choose the hard way that God already warned about: without God on our own outside Eden.

God he's so good looking then

Since the topic of pyramids was brought up I thought I would share: An interpretation of pyramid symbolism: At the base you have the elements of matter. They form together to make higher levels of organization. The further up the pyramid, the more organized the matter of the universe becomes. At the peak you reach the creation of consciousness, hence the eye of providence. From a theological perspective, this would be a reference to divine providence, and the creation of consciousness as a means of intervention within the universe. Why would matter organize itself in a way that would require intervention? Because without intervention everything would be predictable and therefore would be imperfect. If what we visualize perfection to be could be automatically achieved, then everything would be predictable. If everything is predictable then it is boring. There is then an aspect of perfection which requires novelty and the creation of new ideas as to what we visualize as perfection. Consciousness allows for intervention and the removal of absolute predictability, which is the ideal state of the universe.

This is crazy..but that girl sounds like his daughter...b4 she was born...

take the video, readjust the volume, reupload

@ruiferro4160

4 жыл бұрын

appreciate it instead you know how much Harvard lectures cost?

@victorb9503

4 жыл бұрын

@@ruiferro4160 Oh boy, I'm sure they cost a lot. Unlike the editing suggested. But I know no one is going to do it, given it has thousands of views even, it was just frustrating watching this with other sounds out of my control happening from time to time on the computer.

These students are at the height of arrogance

I've listened to about 20 hours of this thus far, and it still sounds like mostly nonsense. The majority of it is just flying over my head. It might be necessary to sit in the class, look at the diagrams, and do the readings, which I haven't. Or it could be that this is just gibberish. Of course, it's possible that I'm simply a halfwit.

@oldscratch898

7 жыл бұрын

Its hard to understand what hes talking about, if you haven't ever experienced the true nature of reality. It sounds crazy, but psychedelics help you open up your mind to it, they're tied in to mystical experiences.

@b0utch

6 жыл бұрын

Protip, just looking at a small point on the ground 3 ft in front of you for several minutes, is enough to have a glimpse of how you perceive reality. No drugs needed, only stillness.

@oldscratch898

6 жыл бұрын

For sure, theirs not only one way to figure things out. It's just that, with those types of substances, they reliably cause intense "mystical" experiences. I just think that a lot of what these substances do, is give you a very unbiased, and ego-less look on reality, as if it was from the perspective of somebody else.

@xeoncat

6 жыл бұрын

the whole course is about what motivates people to anything, including doing evil. And it turns out the way any human acts has been detailed in mythology and culture throughout human history, but everyone has been thinking about those stories literally and not as a window to human psyche, their behavior and their motivations, not just behavior of any human, but all humans.

@JB000001

6 жыл бұрын

I am not all that familiar with the subject matter of these lectures either, but I have read Carl Jung's "The Undiscovered Self" which I thought was very good. Of that book, Anthony Stevens writes: "The plight of our civilization, accurately diagnosed by Jung in _Modern_ _Man_ _in_ _Search_ _of_ _a_ _Soul,_ is here presented as a specifically individual struggle for moral and spiritual integrity against the ‘mass psychology’ generated by political fanaticism, scientific materialism and technological triumphalism on a global scale. Ultimately, this is a religious as much as a psychological problem, which is not solved by passive adoption of some established creed, but by opening oneself up to the ‘religious instinctive attitude’ and inner symbolic vitality possessed by each and every-one of us by virtue of our humanity. One of Jung’s most profound, yet accessible, texts." Of course you could always buy the book written by the lecturer himself!