My favorite story of Mannerheim is when Hitlers plane landed when Adolf came to visit him on his birthday, Mannerheims aide asked the Field Marshal if they should run towards Adolf and he just answered "Let the corporals do the running" as Adolf was running towards them.

@anargie5001

3 жыл бұрын

"On June 4, 1942, Hitler made one of his very rare flights outside the Reich frontiers, to honour Finland’s Marshal Mannerheim on his seventyfifth birthday. In the dining car of Mannerheim’s special train, its broad windows overlooking the sunlit Lake Saimaa, Hitler was tempted by the polished speech of President Ryti to rise in reply himself. While the local German envoy looked on disapprovingly and the marshal, perhaps unaware of his visitor’s aversion to tobacco, affably puffed clouds of cigar smoke, he delivered ex tempore a tactful speech on his awkward position during Finland’s winter war with Russia. After the Führer’s four-engined Focke-Wulf 200 took off, a flattered Mannerheim commented, ‘He is phenomenal!’ - David Irving Hitler's War page 501/ 502

@Perkelenaattori

3 жыл бұрын

@@anargie5001 kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKeAuZmPorLWcZs.html

@anargie5001

3 жыл бұрын

@@Perkelenaattori Seen that... archive.org/details/di14davidirvingvslipstadt Why do you think legislastion is necessary to uphold the official narrative? Ever heard of the S-32 files of Mannerheim? archive.org/details/TalvisodanJaJatkosodanSalattuHistoria

@lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb15

3 жыл бұрын

@@anargie5001 well said.

@anargie5001

3 жыл бұрын

​@@lw97nilslinuswhitewaterweb15 You can see it for yourself. Found the original German News Reel footage an put it in a series "Stop the lies" www.bitchute.com/video/9mCoESvLBpJ3/ (17:05)

I'd say mannerheim is probably the greatest person in Finnish history, because without him our history could be very different.

@franciscomm7675

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, but he was not perfect and he also did some controversial stuff

@herptek

4 жыл бұрын

@@franciscomm7675 What exactly do you find controversial about what he did?

@OkurkaBinLadin

4 жыл бұрын

@@franciscomm7675 Alexandros said he was "greatest", not perfect ;)

@anargie5001

3 жыл бұрын

Definately. The s-32 files were never made public..

@pokiparkassistent

3 жыл бұрын

@@herptek collaboration with hitler for example.

Two anecdotes about Mannerheim that I have read. 1. in the Winter War, a German military attaché, a Colonel, was having dinner (Germany being pacted with the Soviets at this point) and was rather sneering towards Finland. Towards the end of the meal, he asked Mannerheim if he would mind if the Colonel smoked whilst he was still eating. Mannerheim replied that he didn't know as no one had ever tried it. The Colonel did not light up. 2. During the Continuation War as Germany was losing WW2, he had a conference with Hitler as he sought to extricate Finland from the war. Mannerheim lit a cigar knowing Hitler hated smoking, and by Hitler's passive reaction to smoking in his presence deduced that Hitler knew he was in a weak position. Tidbit: From that meeting, secretly recorded by Finnish intelligence, the voice of Hitler in 'normal' conversation was recorded, and this recording was used by Bruno Ganz to get Hitler's voice right for Downfall.

@bjornerikson4788

6 жыл бұрын

EdMcF1 ????????????

@martinan22

6 жыл бұрын

To "pour a Mannerheim" is to fill a glass until the surface tention. Legend has it that Mannerheim had this done to his subcommanders the evening before a battle to see whose hands were not steady.

@MrRizikoo

6 жыл бұрын

The recording in question : kzread.info/dash/bejne/daCGm9acoK7AlcY.html

@MrSamulai

6 жыл бұрын

The way you wrote it makes it sound like they went into an effort to secretly record Hitler's private conversation just to have some prep material for the movie.

@paulkoulikov

5 жыл бұрын

Older people in Russia still do that sometimes. It's called "po Marusyin poyasok", which roughly translates as "[fill] up to a Mary's waist". Might have been a military tradition in Tsar's army.

When Mannerheim went to the Swedish court as a young general, the Swedish Hovmarshal started to give him instructions about the courts etiquette. Mannerheim interrupted the man and said, that i have socialized in bigger courts, than this. Royal army 5 star general, commander of the Chevalier guard and a side adjutant of Nikolai II. He had personal acces to the ancient Romanov family, when he wished.

@martinaberg6157

3 жыл бұрын

But not 5 star general!?

Mannerheim is a relic of the old european officer class which was flexible in the sides they fought for, but they were concerned to be fighting for honour. Mannerheim was criticised in WW2 that "his decisions were made to how they would be viewed in the future" which is a lesson all other sides could have followed in WW2.

@duhni4551

4 жыл бұрын

Also those views he had made it easier to have peace with Soviet Union so i would argue those who criticized him ignored that part completely. He had to play dangerous game to keep Finland independent during time where whole world was at war and alliances kept chancing and the major powers were drawing new borders. He did that successfully, he truly might be most competent and cunning leader of the time.

The reason why he risked his life traveling through Russia during the revolution to reach Finland is that he was a Finn coming home to serve his country.

I found one mistake. C.G.E. Mannerheim was Finnish-Swedish not Swedish-Finnish. Finnish-Swedish are Finnish (born and raised in Finland) but their native language is Swedish. Swedish-Finnish are also born in Finland and their native language is Finnish but they live in Sweden. Just to clarify that he was native Finnish.

@______________________4068

6 жыл бұрын

He was of Swedish-German ethnic origin, living in Finland. He was not finnic but his nationality was Finnish.

@______________________4068

5 жыл бұрын

How is that relevant? His parents were Swedish/Swedish-German, he never even learned to speak finnish properly. He was not finnish by blood or culture. Even though Swedish and Finnish cultures are possibly the most similar cultures between two countries, he was merely Finnish by nationality, he was just as Finnish in 1940 as he was Russian in 1910. If Sweden had never lost Finland he merely be a Finlander because he was born in the Swedish province of Finland which was part of the Swedish country called "Eastern Land".

@legso21

5 жыл бұрын

___________ ___________ What are you on about? Mannerheim was, born and raised in Finland. Just because he spoke swedish, doent make him a swede. Swedish language just happens to be a large part of the finnish culture. Even today all children are taught swedish in schools and all road signs and public services etc. are both in finnish and swedish. Do you think that all usaians are english because of their language? Furthermore, there is no such thing as finnish blood. Finns are corded ware with a little bit of sami thrown in. Western finns are closer related to swedes than they are to eastern finns. His father was the third generation of Mannerheims living in Finland and he had plenty of ugri blood in him. Also Sweden never "lost" Finland, they gave it up. And that happened 50 years before Mannerheim was even born.

@MerchantPrince

5 жыл бұрын

Are you sure? I read that he didn't even speak Finish

@metalsnake869

5 жыл бұрын

@Jim Heiden Mannerheim could talk Finnish, (not perfectly he had a small accent kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4iptqaLlsfXis4.html) fluent German kzread.info/dash/bejne/oXmIk7mad5jZds4.html , Russian, Swedish. He was also elected the greatest Finn who ever lived by our YleisRadio.

Mannerheim was great leader !! Someone like him was needed in Baltic states in 1940 !!! Now we have to deal with consequences of sovie rule. i am from Lithuania . Thanks Tik !!!! great dokumentories with fresh view!

Mannerheim is the Nordic region's greatest statesman of all time. He managed a masterpiece to balance between the bark and the wood.

@NihilsineDeo1866.

4 ай бұрын

Hero of Finland 🇫🇮 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXWWvM1ugsiWis4.htmlsi=eFFL_exg6BeRSMNF

@w.1.-du9gs

29 күн бұрын

During ww2 there were other very important key political figures in Finland: Kyösti Kallio (president who died after Winter War), Risto Ryti (president after Kallio), Jukka Rangel (prime minister 1941-43, leader of the liberal party), Väinö Tanner (leader of the social democratic party and minister) etc. Mannerheim, for sure, led the war BUT the president and the goverment led the country. And that is a very big difference. Mannerheim was ONE of the men in a ”inner circel” but he did not at all act alone. For example after the catastrophe of Stalingrad it was common belive in the Finnish goverment that Germany will lose the war. As a High Commander Mannerheim also made big mistakes. The biggest happened in Karelian isthmus in summer 44. The troops were unprepared for the huge Soviet attact although there were enough information how and even when the attact would start. The commanders at the front line knew something big was to happen soon but they were not listened. And then the front line almost collapsed.

Lessons learned: Napoleon: Do not attack Russia in the winter! Germany: Do not attack Russia in the winter! Russia: Do not attack Finnland in the winter!

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Or just simply - don't attack anyone in winter!

@petrameyer1121

7 жыл бұрын

You can attack Hawai in winter! Ask the Japaneese! ;)

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, because that is turned out well for them in the end!

@kohtalainenalias

6 жыл бұрын

Wisdom from hindsight is always a bit controversial. Things look differently when evaluated in theory or executed in practice.

@rikuvakevainen6157

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheImperatorKnight In north winter is the best time to attack, if you are well prepared.

My favourite story about Mannerheim was from my Grandfather, who fought in the Winter War. He told of a speech that The Marshal made after the war, to a group of Finnish Boy Scouts who had helped in the war effort (my grandfather was also a Scout leader). With his very poor Finnish, Mannerheim wanted to say “Minä kiitän teitä” or “I thank you.” What, unfortunately, came out was “Minä keitän taita” or “I boil lice”

Mannerheim didnt earn the name of "bloody baron" in the finnish civil war. He opposed cruelty and bad treatment of red prisoners as it would soil the white cause. After the capturing of Varkaus, the white local leader (named Löfström) ordered a decimation of imprisoned reds and russians without authorisation. This greatly angered Mannerheim and his second man, Ignatius, prompting him to order an investigation. He was called a slaughterer by the reds who lost the war and needed myths of tyrannical enemies.

@Literally-Brian

4 жыл бұрын

Never heard that before. You got any sources?

@emilnilsson7991

3 жыл бұрын

@@Literally-Brian It is a fact that can be found in various modern finnish and swedish biographies about Mannerheim.

@martinaberg6157

3 жыл бұрын

Mannerheim after taking Tammerfors he ordered red prisioners to be treated corrcet. He said the white side would be judged by the rest of the world after how they treated their enemies. He really was an oldfashioned man of honor!

@Vulcaani

3 жыл бұрын

@@Literally-Brian J O Hannula, Suomen vapaussodan historia (The history of finnish liberation war). Sorry I dont know if it can be found in english. Mannerheims good treatment of prisoners have been talked about in different sources too. That is the book that I found it in.

@pokiparkassistent

2 жыл бұрын

But when a million civilians starved in Leningrad they were cool with it.

Excellent, Mannerheim deserves more attention, a fascinating character of European history

@kohtalainenalias

6 жыл бұрын

For many issues and events, he's a controverial figure here in Finland. On the other hand, there's no doubt that he was a master strategist and his keen knowledge of russian army helped to retain finnish independence.

@herptek

3 жыл бұрын

@@kohtalainenalias He is controversial only to a few extreme leftists.

@chrislfc2317

2 жыл бұрын

@@kohtalainenalias Every person with a working brain considers him the greatest person in finnish history...

Another fascinating and heroic figure in Finland's history from this same period is Risto Ryto. Ryti was a lawyer, central banker, technocrat and a dedicated public servant and Finland's prime minister when the Winter War broke out in 1939. Finland's then President Kyosti Kallio suffered a stroke in late 1940 and the country's leaders made Ryti the nation's president. President Kallio's departure from office became another small national tragedy amid the larger tragedy of the Winter War when he suffered a heart attack and died as Mannerheim and President Ryti accompanied him at a farewell ceremony in his honor at Helsinki's train station while the band played Porilaisten marssi. Ryti collaborated with Mannerheim on an agreement with Germany to gain Finland the military assistance it so desperately needed. One might say that hey tricked the Germans into accepting President's Ryti's personal assurance of the terms of cooperation, an agreement that had no force without the approval of Finland's Senate. Thereby, Ryti's resignation was conceived before the fact to be tendered at the moment Finland had what it needed from Germany and Ryti would take the fall for collaboration with Nazi's leaving Finland's heroic national savior, Marshall of Finland, CGE Mannerheim untarnished by association with Hitler. In the ultimate act of a dedicated public servant Ryti knowingly sacrificed himself for his country. There was no justice in the 10-year sentence he received as a collaborator, at Stalin's insistence, and that would destroy him.

@Kissamiess

6 жыл бұрын

The legend says that when Ryti was let out to the prison yard for his daily walk, all the other prisoners always stood up to honor him.

@dongilleo9743

6 жыл бұрын

At the end of the Winter War in March of 1940, when Finland was forced to accept a Soviet Union dictated peace agreement, it was Kallio as President who had to sign the agreement. Supposedly as he signed it he said, "may the hand that signs such wither and die." This came true when he suffered a stroke some time later.

@kimseniorb

6 жыл бұрын

is mannerheim heroic? a nazi collaborator and a mass murderer.

@michealohaodha9351

5 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha you make me laugh

@kimseniorb

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Jack. I love you too.

Fun fact: Finnish are trying to do a movie on Mannerheim for many years now and every few years there are some attempts, but he is such a controversial person that no-one knows how to do it without angering someone else. TIK, If you'll ever be doing anything on leaders / generals from Poland I can help finding / translating sources. (anything on Sosabowski for instance would be great, especially that you already did document on Market Garden).

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

That is an interesting fact! If I was to do this video again in as much depth as possible (not saying it won't ever happen) then I'd be as straight as needed on Mannerheim. Even if it was controversial and angered everyone, and got a million dislikes, I'd still put it out. In my opinion, nobody should hide the truth in case if offends someone. If you get offended by a film or video that's giving you the facts in as unbiased a way possible, tough. I'm not willing to (willingly) distort history. I'm not going to work on them just yet, but the two Polish generals/leaders I'd really like to cover in one of these videos are Sosabowski and Pilsudski. They're both on my to-do list. If you have any recommendations for sources, I'm all ears. And yes, the language barrier is an issue... I'm not sure a way around that as people can't be translating entire books for me haha

@michaelmccabe3079

7 жыл бұрын

Yes! Jozef Pilsudski needs a video, too! Anybody who can get 70,000 men to surrender from the first charge and have another 30,000 retreat the wrong way and get captured in Germany deserves attention. :D

@RonidLanis

7 жыл бұрын

I don't see anything controversial in your video, not that it would matter much, as history is history and it should never be viewed through lens of political correctness. I have few friends in Finland and they told me about the controversies with doing a film about him. As for sources, it is very tough to get anything in English and translating whole books wouldn't work. However, I am helping some other history channel on KZread in creating a video on Pilsudski and they suggested that I should send them something like a historical essay on him rather than look and translate books. That is not a good way if you want to be objective, but in this case I think it would be the only way unless you would learn a language (don't! :)). Two books that I can readily recommend: George F. Cholewczynski - Poles Apart: The Polish Airborne at the Battle of Arnhem Stanislaw Sosabowski - Freely I Served: The Memoir of the Commander, 1st Polish Independent Parachute Brigade 1941 - 1944

@johnson1257

6 жыл бұрын

They should do a movie where reds get burned and Mannerheim is glorified.

@josephwelch547

6 жыл бұрын

Ronid I've read some stuff about Mannerheim. What was so controversial about him? His ties with the Whites or something about Hitler and the Jews? I've seen some comments in this video saying he gated Jews and massacred Bolshevieks.

Good to see you do a video on Mannerheim. As for the Finno-Russo wars, I'd advice to tread carefully. There aren't that many (if any) good English language books about the two wars. What there is, is often very simplified or uses German and Soviet sources giving the conflicts a very biased look.

Thanks for making this! My great-grandfather fought under Mannerheim 100 years ago in the Finnish war of independence. He was wounded and carried shrapnel in his leg after the war.

@vmvrantanen

6 жыл бұрын

Not war of independence, civil war between rich and poor.

@poodiepie527

5 жыл бұрын

vmvrantanen Are you a communist?

@A_B_1917

5 жыл бұрын

@Danny Viking In WW2 concentration camps came back. He "saved" Finland from liberation, not from occupation.

@AS-bu9rw

4 жыл бұрын

@@A_B_1917 Stop talking out of your ass, you don't know shit. You are probably a communist or Socialist or a pro-soviet. Explain these WW2 concentration camps to me.

@AnnaMarianne

3 жыл бұрын

@@vmvrantanen Yeah that's the communist narrative. My paternal grandparents were dirt poor but didn't join you because they opposed the godlessness of communism. My maternal grandparents were just farmers who woke up to work 4 am every morning, and they fought on the white side. There never was any unified "common people".

The story goes that Marshall Mannheim and his staff were having an afternoon coffee break, and a soldier on leave from the front sits down next to them and starts pooring his coffee onto the small plate that comes with the coffee cup and then starts slurping it loudly (this was a common habit for the farmers of that time). Immediately Mannerheim noticed that the accompanying officers showed disgust toward this soldier, and then he started to drink his own coffee the same manner as the soldier. The officers left the soldier alone after that.

@managermattson1828

4 жыл бұрын

I meant Mannerheim of course

Mannerheim is a glorious legend. The definition of Finnish Patriotisim and power

70th anniversary of Mannerheim death. One of the greates man in european history. He was a very humble, true patriot who knew when to step down and when to reappear for the sake of his nation. So rare in his days and so unheard of these days. He is one of my favourite figures in all history of humankind. If I could meet some one from the past, it is quite possible that he would be my choice.

Now I know a little more about Mannerheim. Thanks to you TIK, for you're always providing a great story in history that no others are willing to address. Also like that you provide references too.

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, only one reference in this video though. I want to make this "Their Story" series as an introduction-series that's a bit easier to make than the Battlestorm videos. That way I can get them out quicker without taking too much time away from Stalingrad

His life needs to be made into a TV series.

@mikefay5698

3 жыл бұрын

The Bloody Baron is applauded by Nazi's and KKK in Alabama!

Mannerheim was honored by the USA Post Office and the Champions of Liberty set (4 and 8 cent sets)

As a Fin I never knew about his journey in Asia. Thank you for the video

@Laimee

4 жыл бұрын

Sama

@mattilaiho7979

3 жыл бұрын

I think various Finnish museums have souvenirs from his journey (for example a tiger skin).

@skanderskander4036

3 жыл бұрын

The finns usually know very little about Finlands history.

@koff41

2 жыл бұрын

En tiedä jos on Suomeksi mutta tämän on minulla, oikein jännittävä ;) www.bokus.com/bok/9789177791430/gustaf-mannerheim-aristokrat-i-vadmal/

@fadervar4826

Жыл бұрын

there is a great book written by Herman lindqvist about Mannerheim. It goes more in depth about all his travel.

People love to talk about the Winter War, but few people pay heed to the Continuation War, where the 1944 Tali-Ihantala battle is said to have been the largest non-stop engagement in the entire world war, only challenged by, perhaps, El Alamein. In it, the Soviet power was decisively exhausted and Stalin had to redirect the remaining forces towards the Berlin campaign where they would be of more profitable use, as the race towards Berlin had already begun.

More about his asian tour: he moved 14 000 km on horse and it took 2 years. He went to scout in preparation of expected russo-sino war which never happened. Probably a cool journey tho

It was not so unusual a person from Mannerheim's class and ethnic background (Swedish) would not speak Finnish properly. Most educated people in Finland in the 19th century and in the first half of the 20th century spoke Swedish in the major cities. Finnish was the language of most of population in rural areas. Mannerheim had a conversational ability in Finnish from his childhood from the country estate he lived on; however, his education was exclusively in Swedish. He later became very fluent in Russian when he was sent to the military academy in St. Petersburg. He spent nearly the next 25 years as an officer in the Imperial Russian Army rising to the rank of a Major General. He had also married a Russian aristocrat. His knowledge of Russian was at a very high level. It would be nice to see a video of him speaking in Russian.

Outstanding! I had never heard of this guy before and now I want to learn more. Thank you!

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

I'd recommend the book I mentioned in the video. It's a great introduction to the Winter War and talks a little more in depth about Mannerheim. And I do think there is an English biography on Mannerheim on Amazon, but I'm not sure how good it will be

@kevinpaulson2659

6 жыл бұрын

TIK, I will check it out! Thanks!...KP

@MaMa-kh7xh

6 жыл бұрын

I found one mistake. C.G.E. Mannerheim was Finnish-Swedish not Swedish-Finnish. Finnish-Swedish are Finnish (born and raised in Finland) but their native language is Swedish. Swedish-Finnish are also born in Finland (or Sweden) and their native language is Finnish but they live in Sweden. Just to clarify that he was native Finnish.

@kajani6181

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheImperatorKnight My grandfather left Finland via Turku for the USA sometime around 1920 and married soon after. My father learned English in Michigan grade school, not at home. Among my boxed books I have a thick old biography of Mannerheim in Finnish, I think from the 1930s. Originally I got it for my father, now passed on. I need to dig it up. One photo shows him as a younger officer in the Tsar's retinue. A very tall man. I've always thought of Mannerheim as the only "White Russian General" to succeed in that vast, bloody Russian Civil War. Trivia item - Mannerheim was hunting companion of Herman Göring on a number of occasions.

@sisu4134

4 жыл бұрын

kajani - Your family history is similar to mine 😊 My G/grandparents left Finland in the early 1900s (Around 1915 or so) and settled in the U.P. of Michigan (Houghton, Marquette and Hancock areas.) We still have relatives in Finland that come over once a year to Michigan. There are a lot of Finns in the north though (Michigan and Wisconsin)

Interesting how capable military commanders who urge their governments to not fight a war are so regularily put in charge of the very wars they would have liked to avoid. Other examples would be Yamamoto Heihachiro and Christian Julius De Meza. You could potentially even include Robert E. Lee, but that's controversial.

@Mcbignuts

11 ай бұрын

These guys know they can't win, but they want to give their boys a fighting chance so they answer the call It's weirdly poetic, the stories of capable generals leading inferior forces to great victories and glory against much larger and better equipped armies Like a small dog with a smart head and lots of fight in it... Just impossible to hate, unless ur a spiteful mutant

Extra fact: Mannerheim was General Brusilov's student during his years in teh cavalry school

@user-dd1ty2ui3q

4 жыл бұрын

He was also under Brusilov's command during WW1

Mannerheim ....he is why I'm alive today ....I will visit his grave and put flowers

@kimseniorb

6 жыл бұрын

visit saint petersburg one day and see what this douchebag made to one of the most beautiful cities in the world and its population.

@evilubuntu9001

5 жыл бұрын

What did he do to the city?

@svfin

5 жыл бұрын

kimseniorb Finland did not fire Even one artillery shell into leningrad. Infact that Factor helped Finland when trying to Sue for piece with The soviet union.

@stenmoller5700

5 жыл бұрын

That's ignorant.

@stenmoller5700

5 жыл бұрын

Well, Finland was attacked by Stalin & Co in the Winter war. Would you like to discuss that? Obviously all warfare is sad, but do study the entire picture before passing judgements.

I own an English biography of Mannerheim by Stig Jägerskiöld, which my Finnish aunt gave me as a birthday present 14 years ago.

One of the few men in the 20th century who deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Garibaldi and Lafayette. People like Churchill or FDR do not make the cut, as you just don't get the same feeling of them being unqualified heroes of the people, but rather politicians first and foremost

@martinaberg6157

3 жыл бұрын

But M first of all he was a symbol. His knowledge in modern warfare was low, so his generals made most desicions, not Mannerheim!

@NihilsineDeo1866.

4 ай бұрын

True 🇫🇮 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXWWvM1ugsiWis4.htmlsi=eFFL_exg6BeRSMNF

General Mannerheim, was a Finnish patriot. Given the geographical location of that nation they were surrounded by enemies. this was the reason of the allied connection with Germany. Had England or France given help to Finland the need for Germanys help would not have been needed.

@jhaley3138

2 жыл бұрын

England and France didn't do anything when Poland was in danger and annxed. Notwithstanding Poland was important geopolitical location for their war. What would finns expect from them? Terrible betrayal? Overlook for justice? Ireland, Poland, Kurdish people They were all sincere and fought against enemies trusting their ally who guaranteed them for their freedom and independence but They were all abandoned. Innocent hope is like a poison.

Your videos are a godsend for a data freak like myself. I enjoy all information out of ww2, as reliable data and substance is hard to find. I enjoy all of your videos, they occupy my time well after work. Thank you for your diligence, I rarely like any videos whatsoever due to lack of depth or etc, and yours provide a well needed respite from brief statements with 0 impact intellectually. Writing from Vermont, U.S.A., God bless and godspeed

TIK another awesome episode, keep them coming

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! More coming soon :)

Some extra length could have been given to describing the historical background in years 1918, 1919 and 1939. In other words a description of the war situation at end of first world war, the political situation in society and about eastern Europe in general. In order to understand Mannerheim we first have to understand the times in which he was living. The tragic events in Finland in year 1918 is a highly debated subject among Finnish historians and there are in Finnish four different names for the events 1) kapina (=mutiny that is rebellion against the legal goverment) 2) vapaussota (=liberation war, because through it Finland gained its independence) 3) sisällissota (= civil war, mostly used by leftist but has a truth to it as it was mostly Finns fighting Finns 4) kansalaissota (=war among the citizens, a very neutral name which does not offend anyone). This example shows that history is newer black and white and thus talk about the bloody baron are exaggerated. When analyzing Mannerhems role in Finland in year 1918 it is important to mention that he resigned from the post as the commander of Finnnish White Army at end of May 1918. Reason for Mannerheim resignation was disagreement on foreign policy and Mannerheim strongly objected to the German minded policies of the Finnish Senate. Latter events proved that Mannerheimm was right and in December the same year he was by the parliament appointed as the interrim regent of Finland. In this role as the last regent he approved the constitution drafted by the parliament and thus Finland did become a republic in 1919. This shows that Mannerheim was not a dictator who clings to power, instead he was a soldier who stepped aside after his task was done. A second and a most important subject which was missing from the video was the secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop nonagression pact of 23.8.1939. In this secret protocol the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany divided eastern Europe into two spheres of influcence and the basic idea was "you do whatever you wish with your part and I what I wish with my part". According to this secret protocol Finland, Estonia, Latvia and eastern part of Poland did belong to the Soviet sphere of influence while Lithuania and western part of Poland did belong to Nazi Germany. One month later 28.9.1939 adjustments was made to this speheres of influences agreement, Soviet did get Lithuania while Nazi Germay in compensation did receive a bigger chunk of Poland. This of course does explain why the Winter War did broke out 30.11.1939 after which Moscow did announce the formation of Terijoki goverment. This Terijoki goverment or officially Finnish Peoples Democratic Republic was a short-lived puppet government created and recognised only by the Soviet Union. It was headed by Finnish-born communist and director of Comintern Mr Otto Wille Kuusinen and in reality Terijoki goverment was just a tool for Joseph Stalin in order to to conquer Finland.

Just watch you with the Chieftain and decided to see what you have. Lo and behold, you have a video on Mannerheim. Being a Finnish-American (Grandfather came to the US in 1905), I am very interested in how non-Finns view him. So, liking what you did here, I subscribed and will check out your other videos.

Thanks for this great History class!

Dude Loving your channel. Keep up the great work.

@emmanuelardena5100

6 жыл бұрын

maybe we could collaborate on something horology and ww2 mixed.

Excellent video as always :) Reminds me somehow on Josip Broz Tito, a video about him would be epic :O

A great film which is well worth watching is called Tali-ihantala completed in 2006 and screened in Finland in 2007 . It is set in 1944 during the Continuation war and in my opinion is superb and also includes a scene where Finnish soldiers enjoy tinned Buffalo meat captured from the Russians - ( I saw your Lend -Lease video so thought I would mention the Buffalo meat )

Every one of these is simply excellent.

Nice to see Mannerheim get some deserved love

@kimseniorb

6 жыл бұрын

he was a war criminal and a mass murderer.

A good attempt at an informative balanced overview. Our great leaders are always flawed people, not the perfect examples they get mythologised as.

I have bit different kind of view Mannerheim. And this is just mine, but I'd argue if you look more you will somewhat agree with me. During civil war I think it was German support that was most critical that white side won not the reds. The motivation on German side was to weaken Russia they were fighting against. Mannerheim was key figure but not necessarily solely responsible for the result. His key contribution I think came later on after Winter War. Early 1942 he already saw Germany is not going to win the war against Russia. He had real insight on Soviet/Russian resources and also German as he had fought on against Germans in World War 1. Its very obvious that Germans had quite lot underestimated Soviet resources. But to to be frank, they propably not were lot better than during Tzars regime. Now somebody may argue against me but the biggest resouce was the manpower. It really didn't change dramatically between 1915 and 1941 I'd argue. It could not have. So when Nazis didn't get fast victory, it propably was apparent to anyone who knew well Russia that it had massive reserves to deploy and it was only question of time how much or when they could be deployed. Unless you were German Nazi. What Mannerhein did early on was to try to keep finnish war separate from Germany's. He signaled many ways that finnish war was not about destroying Soviet Union. And I'm not pretending there were not other would have signaled other opposite way from Finland. I'm just saying he early on wanted to reign finnish aggressivity because he undestood quickly Germany is not going to win war. Thats why he wanted to stop attacks on Murmans Railway since in big picture most of it was against Germany: if germany could not win against Soviet Unions finns could not either: it was perfectly logical. While this may not seem big thing in first, what it did make possible was the separate peace in 1944 after the big battles. Soviet Union was more keen to go Berlin and I personally think his way of signaling to Staling various ways dropped Finland in priority quite low. It also propably the reason why he(Mannerheim) was kept outside any after war courts. Soviets never demanded he be trialed because they didn't see him part of conflict but more an asset that solved it. Way I've figured out is that Stalin understood Mannerheim somehow, and maybe even respected his early signaling that Finnish way was separate. It propably gave room for Stalin at most critical monent(s) in 1942. And while it did not sway him from trying to conquer Finland, it propably made the difference he could live without conquering Finland. And thats what I think is big foresight Mannerheim had. He could actually see far beforehand result and understand correct way to handle Soviet leader. Now he didn't do it alone, but without his choices it might be result could have been different for Finland. Thats my opinion anyway.

@XtreeM_FaiL

5 жыл бұрын

Antti Tolamo Without Germans there would not be any Finns left.

I think one point that at least Finnish historians get wrong about Mannerheim is his core role in WW2. Many think him as a military genious whose decisions lead Finland trough it's worst. However his knowledge of warfare was dated and unsuitable for modern warfare. And he knew that. That's why he left the overall planning and managment mostly to his subordinates. Mannerheim's real talent was in his great understanding of Russian mindset, history and hierarchy. He managed to predict countless Soviet actions and reactions in WW2 thus saving Finland from disastrous mistakes that would have lead Finland to her certain doom. In WW2 Mannerheim also kinda resembles that what Hindenburg for Germans (in WW1) as the national symbol of Finland. His rather neutral stance following the Civil War and his firm composure in Winter War gained the respect and admiration for almost all Finns. Also the socialists admired him after Winter War. This is the reason why Soviets didn't press him to be arrested for post war trial. Stalin knew harming Mannerheim would be too much for the Finns and that would cause huge risk for the peace with Finns.

@Karpaneen

3 жыл бұрын

@Telephone Tough Guy Not really. He was more a political genious regarding foreign politics with the Soviet Union/Russia. For an example he did predict right that with Molotov-Ribbentrop -pact Germany and USSR did carve up Europe and that this would eventually lead east-Europe to a war or at least hard demands from both powers. Many Finnish commanders and politicians tought that if Finland should have to go to armed conflict with Russia, they could always rely on help from Germany (like in 1918). But Mannerheim saw that after this pact counting on Germany was out of the question. Mannerheim didn't command on tactical level at all. And on operational level he just directed the objectives but mostly didn't tell his subordinates how they should achieve them.

@Karpaneen

3 жыл бұрын

@Telephone Tough Guy Yes of course you should do some research and establish your own opinion of this subject. This is just my subjective view of Mannerheim based on the things I've read about him and Finland's involvement in WW2 in general.

Awesome stuff as always, I'll be sure to pick up the book. So do you love him or hate him TIK?

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

If I'm honest, I've not read enough to really make a commitment either way. And in a lot of ways I don't want to commit, at least not yet. If I don't become emotionally attached to a particular viewpoint on Mannerheim, I can talk about him and his actions from a neutral - and hopefully - unbiased perspective. And then later, once I've read enough, then I can make a commitment, if that makes sense?

An excellent release of information regarding another great military commander. I would say that the far northern campaigns regarding Finland versus the Soviet Union is the most little-understood area of the greatest global conflict of our continuing story of the human experience. An amazing tenacity and capability of the soldiers of Finland and tactical fortitude to hold off the total loss of sovereignty of this courageous nation against a giant that would annihilate the Wehrmacht and occupy for decades most all of Eastern Europe and most of what was Nazi Germany.

If you are still thinking about doing a Winter War documentary, I would definitely suggest the book "Finland at War - The Winter War 1939-1940" by Vesa Nenye et al. It is perhaps the most comprehensive book available(that I've seen) in English about the war. Lots of maps, photos, commander bios etc. Also, they have a second book about the Continuation War written just as excellently as the Winter War one. Linky: www.amazon.com/Finland-War-1939-40-General-Military/dp/147280631X

I look forward to more videos on Finland and the ensuing conflicts after the Winter War. I have always wondered why Soviet Russia didn't try to engulf Finland on its march to Berlin given that Finland and Germany had been allies in WW2 (primarily I believe on the basis that my enemy's enemy is my friend). There is very little published (in English) on this so thank you for taking the interest in this.

@XtreeM_FaiL

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Lovett Have you look at the map. You can' march from USSR to Germany via Finland. They did not have time and it would have been too costly. That is why Stalin demanded Finland to throw Germans out of Finland.

@peterlovett5841

5 жыл бұрын

TreeM FaiL Thank you for responding. I certainly accept that it would have been a diversion and most certainly too costly - wasn't it one of the Russian generals who said after the initial winter war that they captured just enough ground to bury their dead - however Stalin must have been wary of taking on the Finns again and left well alone.

@AttilaKattila

5 жыл бұрын

Well they did try, but they didn't manage to. The outcomes of battles like Tali-Ihantala might explain that.

@acetanker3101

4 жыл бұрын

Well, they tried twice...

@peterlovett5841

4 жыл бұрын

@@acetanker3101 What I didn't realise until very recently was that the Russians did try to snot Finland after they had driven the Germans back. I suspect that the troops involved were less than pleased to be given the task and didn't try very hard. The Finns have a very hard reputation.

Mannerheim fun facts: he was a notoriously, gloriously deficient car driver. His crowning achievement in automotive recklessness was during an adventure in Morocco, where he succeeded in crashing into a tree in a desert, smashing a thighbone to bits in the process, but surviving despite being 130km from the nearest hospital.

Truly a great leader and a great man.

@NihilsineDeo1866.

4 ай бұрын

A hero 🇫🇮 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXWWvM1ugsiWis4.htmlsi=eFFL_exg6BeRSMNF

Does anyone see the irony of having to sit through an AirbNb ad with dragqueens before a video about a towering alpha male and national hero?

Mannerheim and Hayha. Two very different from the, and both my personal favorite Finns!

@finnicpatriot6399

2 жыл бұрын

Cringe

@dabtican4953

11 ай бұрын

@@finnicpatriot6399 Yes but at least it is wholesome in a way

Yay! I love the Winter War,, so I'm glad to see you covering part of it. :D Feedback on the video itself: no complaints. Its relative lack of action really worked well with your portrait, and yourstorytelling is never dull. ;) As for the Finnish Civil War, Mannerhiem has a lot in common with Francisco Franco. Both were monarchists and members of the nobility (although Mannerheim vastly outranked Franco). Mannerheim is a perfect image of the Ancien Regime, which was largely overthrown after WWI. Both men distrusted democracy, because they both believed in the ideas of classes, and their respective privilages and duties. Democracy to them was rabble-rousing, demagoguery, and dominated by irresponsible men with no sense of duty. Men who claimed the wealth of the nobility, but without doing any of the hard work. The influence of international banking (particularly from the USA) was also deeply mistrusted. Farming communities provided the base of support for the whites in both wars, and wealthy urban-dwellers the reds. Both sides felt no hesitation about massacring the other. The communists massacred the whites as policy, and the whites gave them a taste of their own medicine, whether officially or not. To this day, the communists who lost complain about how they were treated, while feeling no remorse or second thoughts about their own actions. Given the chance, they'd do it all over again with glee. On the flip side, white soldiers who lost their wars congratulate Franco and Mannerheim for not letting the killings be one-sided, and wish they had done the same.

@mansenmias

7 жыл бұрын

Your writing has some good thinking and sense in it but from this paragraph on it's simply false (at least in the case of Finnish civil war): "Farming communities provided the base of support for the whites in both wars, and wealthy urban-dwellers the reds. Both sides felt no hesitation about massacring the other..." There were very small number of wealthy urban dwellers in the Finnish reds -if any. Poor, underpaid factory workers, unemployed and sharecroppers & other poor people of the countryside formed the basis of "The red guard". And leadership of the "Red guard" ordered that no summary executions are to be committed. However the discipline of the "Red Guard" was weak especially in several remote communities and in those places several individual vengeances took place. Later as the reds saw that they are losing the war there were "vengeance-executions". Still the executions committed by the whites exceed the executions committed by the reds at least eight times!!!

@michaelmccabe3079

7 жыл бұрын

Hardly. The communists have always used mass executions as a matter of policy, from Russia to Cuba to Vietnam, to China. And those who survive to this day still refuse to admit anything. The Whites began the war in the northern parts of Finland, which were agrarian regions. The reds began in the south, along the coast of the Gulf of Finland, where all the cities and urban areas were located. It was in these urban areas that demagogues, middle class (especially those involved with banking), and other non-traditional 'elites' began the revolution on the side of the reds. The traditional elites who supported the whites were landowners, not factory owners. These new elites were a small portion of the population, but provided much of the intellectual leadership, financing, and organizing for the rioters and mob violence that began the conflict. It began as mob violence, but the reds soon revealed how organized they actually were. As for the 8x as many executions, this was due to the reds losing the war. Had they won, the situation would have been reversed, or even exceeded 8x. Those who have actually lived under communism will all attest to that. This is why they adore Franco and Mannerheim for forcing the reds to swallow their own genocidal poison.

@user-yj8vj3sq6j

6 жыл бұрын

+Michael McCabe >Those who have actually lived under communism will all attest to that. Finnish 'reds' weren't communist, nor bolshevik's

@michaelmccabe3079

6 жыл бұрын

So the fact that they had support and assistance from the bolsheviks in Russia, spoke in terms of a global communist revolution, were recognized by the USSR as the legitimate government of Finland, and fled into Russia for safety after losing proves that they are somehow not Communists? And yes, Eastern Europe has lived under communism and openly talk about Franco and other counter-revolutionaries in glowing terms. Only wealthy western liberals pretend they're not the same. Working-class people know this is phony.

@michaelmccabe3079

6 жыл бұрын

The reds in the 20th century were all communists. That's how they identified themselves, and the name they gave themselves to identify with the global communist movements. They themselves said they were communists, openly, and I believe them. No, I've never lived under communism, and I intend to keep it that way. Living under quasi-socialism sucks enough already.

I really need to get some books about him!

Tik, I hope you make a Video on the Battle of Ihantala-Tali 25 June 1944 - 7 July 1944

American nightmare: trees speaking Vietnamese Germany nightmare: the horizon saying *URRA* U.K. Nightmare: their engineers speaking Irish Russian Nightmare: snow speaking Finish and whispering *perkele*

Pretty good, but it had some misinformation and lacked important information. I am Finnish and I have never heard anyone call Mannerheim the Bloody Baron, except once in school it was thought that the name was used in Communist propaganda, so referring to him as this through out the video is very miss leading. Also the part about burning down villages I have never heard about and most of the people from rural Finland were fighting on the White side so I don't think they would burn their own villages down. Reds were mostly city folk, factory workers and pro-Bolshevik Russians left/arrived after Finnish independence. Mannerheim disliked Hitler. Hitler hated smoking and when he arrived in Finland Mannerheim and his entire party were excessively smoking to spite Hitler. He also became president so Finland could legally annul military ties with Germany, so this is why his presidency was so short.

@TheImperatorKnight

5 жыл бұрын

Neither Jewish nor a communist, so you're a bit off the mark there.

@iangascoigne8231

5 жыл бұрын

Even if he was why should you stop watching interesting documentaries? Even if we should at least give a reason.

@fulcrum2951

5 жыл бұрын

Communist jew.... Funnily enough, the very same 'communist jew' sold weapons to nations that fought a certain jewish state

5 жыл бұрын

The red side lost and many were in concentration camps and perished several tenth ot thousands in fact. It was cruel and left a rift in Finland but Stalin united the nation when he attacked.1939

@johnburns4017

5 жыл бұрын

About 11-12,000 died in captivity. Finland should downplay Mannerheim. His record is very embarrassing to Finland.

Good stuff

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Any person/event/unit you'd like me to cover?

@igordragicevic8835

7 жыл бұрын

rokossovsky !!!

@igordragicevic8835

7 жыл бұрын

also what would be interesting is a doco on the jet race in ww2 between britan and germany

@igordragicevic8835

7 жыл бұрын

italian campaign

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

I'll be covering the Italian Campaign once I've finished the North African Campaign as that follows it, and then you'll have the context. I'm not great when it comes to air or naval warfare, but I'll add it to the list

Will you ever do videos on the Norwegian fronts? Or charecters like Quisling / Rinnan?

Very interesting character of history that is massively overlooked. Had he decided to assist Hitler in the siege of Leningrad, the city would have surely fallen but I believe the Soviets would have won the war either way. This guy had balls of steel nonetheless. I'm not that well read into Mannerheim but from what I heard he declined Hitler's request for full assistance in operation Barbarossa.

One of the great men of Finlands history!!!

@NihilsineDeo1866.

4 ай бұрын

True 🇫🇮 kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXWWvM1ugsiWis4.htmlsi=eFFL_exg6BeRSMNF

Might buy a book on Marshall Mannerheim maybe president, soldier, spy I think was the name? I am enjoying William R Trotters book on the winter war though it's very interesting and put life into perspective given things both sides soldier's had to go through. Cheers from England 👍

Hey! I just remembered something, you can use www.sa-kuva.fi (Finnish Wartime Photograph Archive) when you do research etc! :D edit: "You are looking at a historically unique collection of Finnish wartime photographs. The digital archive contains around 160,000 photographs from the Second World War from a time period of six years, from autumn 1939 to the summer of 1945. The pictures portray life on the home front, damage done by bombings, the war industry, the evacuation of Finnish Karelia as well as events and operations at the front."

@timosdinkydetailing

6 ай бұрын

Damn. Now I will have to spend hours looking for my grandfather in one of those pictures. 😉

Mannerheim was a man of his time. Like Columbus, Cortez, or the American founders they where men of their time. As one of the commenters said history is history. You have to take history in context of what was happening in other places not just the country or the nationality of the person you're reading about. Great video.

Book: The Winter War, Russo-Finnish Conflict 1939-40 by: Eloise Engle / Lauri Paananen Lauri Paananen, a native of Finland, lived as a child in Tampere, the country´s largest industrial city. He first entered the military service in 1939, at the age of fifteen, and served with the Home Guard during the Winter War, surviving at least a dozen bombings of the city. Larry served as a Finnish Air Force pilot in the Continuation War. He came to the U.S. with the Finnish Embassy in 1949.

Finns ran out of ammunition. Especially the artillery. One major reason the line eventually collapsed.

You should do one on Guderian! :D

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

He's on my list :)

thank you sir, i'm from Brasil, and here realy does not exist any text or video about the baron von Mannerheim, so, thank for the information :)))))

Easily my favorite person in history.

Hey, I was a MoWAS player and I discovered games like Combat Mission and Graviteam Tactics... I downloaded the second one and I think this is a cool game you should check. I never knew about existance of such games... Haha its pretty realistic I think you should review it, I currently downloaded Mius Front from Graviteam Tactics series

Thank you for this brief history. Maybe someone can give me any links in english or polish about this great Man? I'd appreciate

One more thing between 1918 - 1922: Mannerheim was active in the planning of expeditions to Karelia (Kinship wars). He intended on creating a Greater Finland, incorporating Karelia by cooperating with tsarist whites and aiming to crush communism once and for all. Some of his early expeditions were executed in 1918, but after he lost the presidential election to Ståhlberg, Mannerheim was dismissed from government since Ståhlberg & company didn't like his aggressive policy and wanted to focus on internal restoration following the civil war instead. This left the Kinship Wars 1918 - 1922 to volunteer whites, and after one final Karelian uprising, the Karelians remained forever outside the Finnish sphere of influence and the few white tsarist still loyal to the old empire got crushed by the Bolsheviks. The volunteer whites did, however, succeed in aiding Estonia in their war of independence 1919, and the close relationship between Finland and Estonia is in large part thanks to that to this day.

Once again, I totally dig your accent, mate.

you should more of these biographies...

@nicholasbruno4808

2 жыл бұрын

AGREED!!!!!!

Love him ....I will put flowers on the Man's grave

Had Trotter not read Screen's two volume biography of Mannerheim - which was published before Trotter published his Winter War?

I'm Romanian, and I consider Mannerheim a hero for me. He deserves all respect, as someone who has succesfully defended his country against the Russians. Our leader in 1941 was overwhelmed by anger and hatred for the Russians, for occupying Bessarabia, a part of Romania, and not giving back our thesaurus. He joined Operation Barbarossa, and seeing his country lose pride and being divided so many times over the past, he could not stand it anymore, and unleashed his fury over the Reds. Mannerheim knew how to resist. Finland is not whole, but they haven't been a Soviet sattelite as we have.

An impressive man!

My great great grandad Urho sihvonen was under the command of Mannerheim and was close friends with him. After the winter war we was put in charge of a quarter of Finland. I wish I knew all this about him. So I could’ve talked about my great great grandads relationship with him and that fact he was on guard at the winter palace and was in almost daily contact with the tsar and tsarina

Blood baron was communist nickname for Mannerheim...also Mannerheim line did and still has fortified bunkers and artillery stations, some of those still exists as i live near biggest of them...

When r u going to do Stalingrad? PS. First!

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Scarecly a day goes by where I don't work on it - but it's going to take a while. I honestly don't think people realise just how HUGE this battle actually is. And I'm not willing to put out a video unless I know exactly where every battalion is at any moment in time... so please just know that it will come eventually and that I am working on it behind the scenes. But don't worry! Next "Their Story" video will be about something related to the Battle of Stalingrad (not saying what it is yet) Also, not sure if you've seen my "How I Get a LOT of Work Done... And How You Can Too" video, but in it I talk about how many words I've done for it so far on Stalingrad, which might give you an idea of the scale of the task kzread.info/dash/bejne/l5qNj62nodWvXZM.html

@DenDodde

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, i think most people have a hard time comprehending the scale of most of the battles you have covered. For example; Me and my friend watched your last video on operation battle axe, and he blurts out: "Well, of course moving around the brittish left flank was the right decision! It was wide open, and he (him being rommel) just had to move a few troops over." After which i had to sit for almost an hour to explain to him how risky that manouver really was. Moving two division, or in more general terms, 20.000 men, thru the desert, with dwindeling supplies, is not as easy as it sounds. Have you for example tried to move 20.000 men? Let alone 100? Or tried to get 10 men to move in the same direction?

Well done. Good video. However he wasn't expelled by the Cadet School but was forced to resign and this was due to his rowdiness rather than talent. Trotter's book is a good introduction but leans more to a Finnish viewpoint. War of the White Death by Blair Irincheev takes a more balanced look, using sources from both sides.

The only book I have on the subject is The Winter War by Eloise Engle and Lauri Paananen published in 1973. Interestingly enough their is a personal note dated July 1973 Helsinki Finland so it was probably presented as a gift not that long after publication. Anyone know if this is a good source?

@timosdinkydetailing

6 ай бұрын

I find that book to be particularly good.

Why do you use the present tense? Otherwise, brilliant.

This biography already exists... Finland in the eye of the storm has already been translated to English. And it is a real eye-opener!

@dabtican4953

11 ай бұрын

I'm unable to find this online

This is excellent thankyou 100 years SUOMI thankyou Mannerheim !

The Finnish Civil War was REALLY bloody due to terror on both sides, but the "Blood Baron" is just a bad meme invented by the reds. I've never heard of the whites burning down villages either.

@Itapirkanmaa2

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's totally wrong to say anyone "burned down villages". But, people were haphazardly taken from their homes and just shot on both sides, and also officially under a very questionable sort of justice.

@Gew219

6 жыл бұрын

Luke Bruce How come? There weren't even three thousand Jews living in Finland at any point in history. In 1917 they were granted full citizenship and civil rights by conservative-led parliament. I know your comment is most probably a joke, but just in case, to be clear and factual...

@Sacharius

6 жыл бұрын

Christian Changer add to that the fact, that the total casualties of the civil war, hunger and both the terrors was some 60 000 in total, claims of 250 000 Jews killed are just a joke in very bad taste, a poor attempt at disinformation or possibly both.

@Sacharius

6 жыл бұрын

Oh, I need to augment my answer a bit: the figure 60 000 includes the Finns who fled to the Soviet Union and were killed there. My bad.

@jopa6741

6 жыл бұрын

Tonixxy Yeah fascism killed 250 000 jewish people in 1917-1918.

min 8:30 "not nationalistic" He was obviously a nationalist, and that led to Finland staying free as was the nationalism of the people of Finland. They were not going to succumb to an internationalist destruction of countries

Wow dude... i allways wonder why the fuck u are not known to a broder audience. interessting and entertaining vid, as allways. gj&ty

@TheImperatorKnight

7 жыл бұрын

Wow thanks Kaspar! The good thing about having smaller numbers of people watching these videos is that I get time to read and respond to (almost) every comment. I'd struggle to do that with a big audience :)

So how long did the Mannerheim Line holda against the Soviets?

@castor3020

6 жыл бұрын

Assault started on 6th of December, First fracturing of Finnish line started on 11th of February, The evacuation of Mannerheim line started on 16th of February, The line was fully evacuated on 23rd of February. So 60 to 72 days.

Jonathan Clements: "Mannerheim: President, Soldier, Spy" Pick that one and read it.

@jounisuninen

3 жыл бұрын

Mannerheim indeed was a spy during his travels in China. He was sent by the Russian government. However he was more or less an overt spy, never hiding. He just went around and was mostly welcomed wherever he went.

Funny how TIK here accepts Finnish reports of the Red Army use of human wave attacks in overwhelming numbers 1939-40, but is reluctant to accept German reports of similar crude tactics over 1941-45.

In my opinion, even though he did some bad things, he wasn't nearly as bad as other European leaders in the early 20th century

he sounds like a finnish historical fanfic

I think that the Finn's and Swedes pronounce his name as something like "manner-hay-m", where the a in "manner" is a broad and deep a, like the u in "humvee".

@timosdinkydetailing

6 ай бұрын

Yes. Mon-er-heym. Finnish is spelled phonetically, so they pronounce The Marshall's name phonetically, at least from the Finnish point of view.

Both russia and finland deserves respect in a way, the russians for learning quickly and the finnish for being able to defend their country for a long time

@jhaley3138

2 жыл бұрын

..Agreed. Frankly, I think two Nations have many things in common.

Actually there even wasn't a Mannerheim line to begin with. It is a term coined to the Main Defence Line by the media. Mannerheim didn't approve the name given that he knew it would eventually fall. And it did. Trotter's book is kinda ok, not among the worst about The Winter War but hardly enough source to cover Mannerheim.