Love your videos! Honest reviews and very detailed. TY

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

I would like to see the cane creek tigon be reviewed. I can’t find anything reviews on it yet and I would love to see it before I buy 💪

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

I am trying to get a hold of one. But the cost is holding me back. I just bought a Kitsumo air shock for next eeek

@chrisgarcia9711

5 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech yea the price is pretty steep

@prolfinator

23 күн бұрын

jeff kendall weed just today posted a video on it

Smaller brand! Mountain biking since the early 90s that hurts a little bit.. Love your content

Manitou FTW! 🎉

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

😎

FYI. As the volume of the IFP is VERY small the pressure will drop SIGNIFIGANTLY when you connect the shock pump as the air will fill the hose and thus equalize. So when you set the pressure there it is set. It does not loose presure when you take it off - but will do so when reconnecting the pump. So it maybe wasnt't bang on 300 PSI but is was sure as hell not 140.

Have Mezzer pro and it's outstanding fork. Tough like Fox 38, light as Fox 34, 3 air chambers like öhlins or ext.

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

3 or 2 chambers?

@texfromro

4 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Negative, positive and IRT

Nice video. So I have a Mara pro and I found with the large can it was too linear. (Did you not get into the can where you can change how large the volume is? Not unscrewing the can it is a sleeve on the outside of the can.) To remedy this i put the smaller air can on and then still had to get a volume spacer to go inside the air can on (this one I unscrewed the air can for) the whole time i was emailing with Manitou about my setup. When I first got it it was so wallowy and I would bottom it out on pump tracks. Now the shock is softer off the top with great mid stroke and ramps up at the end, and i was able to dial down the compression I run 26-28% sag. The amount of adjustability with this shock is impressive. I really want to try a mezzer and a mattoc. I have a mastodon and I love it.

It is also not just due to the negative air chamber that will make it feel plush as it sets the negative side from the atmospheric presure (from shock fully extended) and not ny a transferport like many other shocks do. So the plushness also comes from the low pressure in the pos chamber. also - the setup must have been wrong here. It looks like you bottom it out just while pumping with your legs. This is, just like the Mezzer, their big hit shock, so it feels very strange if that was a perfect setp and i just BLOWS through all the travel that easy...

@OtterMTBtech

22 күн бұрын

Mezzer

The maraprohas great featuresand veeery good damping. But the old Design has its quirks with the sealed negative chamber. That means it cannot be that smooth as it could be and it dies not work well with everykinematics. Now the Gen 2 mara ist coming. It finally has the equalisation port, a new designed damping piston, tunes and a smaller oiggy bag and lever to make better clearance in more frames. The shock will be a completely different animal. Believe me, I already have the Gen 1 Mara pro which one tuner modified for me with equalisation port.so so smoothamd supoortive. And manitou even optimised the aircan itself for the new design. So thisthibg will be great

Foxes always needed more pressure thanx RS and Manitou for the same SAG. Mabye thats why the Fox stuff is always leaking earlyer than the others *g*

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

Good point.

You may want to take another look at what the IFP pressure should be on this shock. Just watched a video where Manitou reps talking about the shock and mentioning they set themselves apart from other shocks in that they only require IFP pressures to be at 150psi.. So that shock reading you got actually checks out.... EDIT- i did just look at their service manual which states 300psi.. Confusing.

@OtterMTBtech

3 күн бұрын

I watched that video and read the repair Manuel who’s right?

Could you try some Formula Selva S or R forks? (preferably S) I'm deciding between that fork and a Lyrik

@hannes6114

5 ай бұрын

The MOD Coil shock would also be cool.

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

It’s a no brainer, if you can afford the Italian stuff it will always outshine main stream stuff, I haven’t even seen that fork in the usa.

@hannes6114

5 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech weirdly the fomula selva s and mod shock are cheaper than most of the fox and rs stuff on Propain's configurator

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

Italian damping is on another level. Don’t hesitate to get that fork.

Shock is butter but many people, including myself, are experiencing the dreaded clicking noise during compression that's apparently the result of the rebound needle moving back and forth

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, nice to hear not much on the shock. Does yours make the same sound when fully compressing the air noise not tick?

Mara pro is awesome. wait until you try a mezzer to or even a Dorado. Nothing beats the Dorado.

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

I have literally never heard anyone say anything bad about the forks. Have you tried both?

@TeamCykelhold

5 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech I have Dorado Expert (swapped out from a fox 40) on my DH bike with IRT upgrade and Mezzer Pro on my trail bike that I take everywhere else. I have tried a lot of forks, these are the ones that work the best for me. The damper is extremely good IMO, and the air side is extremely good at forming the curve how you want it but is is quite sensitive to changes in pressure. It takes a while to find the correct setting but once you do it's very good. Dougal/shockcraft from NZ knows a lot about tuning them. I never used him but I have asked him questions and he knows all there is to know about manitou products.

@VLChuvak

4 күн бұрын

Hell yeah. Have been using dorado 36 from 2013 то 2021. Now have a 37mm dorado pro. Didn't even consider any other fork for replacement

How can you not understand psi? Its in the name, pounded per square inch, Chane the squared inches and like magic you need less pounds

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

Bro, thanks. Over thought that I guess 😆. It has more to do with the size of the negative chamber, but the part I don’t get is how is this shock so plush with low pressure. ‘23 Rockshox runs low pressure, but it’s harsh off the top

@janeblogs324

5 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech the resistance is from the seals. A typical Oring actually gets pushed to the outer wall with more pressure, that's how they seal. Who(you) knows what seals these shocks use, but they would flare out under pressure

My Specialized brain has an auto-sag feature that requires 300 psi initially before releasing to proper sag. But of my 3 shock pumps, 2 only go to 250 and the third took a ridiculous amount of effort to get to 300. Wtf Spesh?

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

You need a better pump

Will you test Mezzer Pro Fork?

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

It’s in the list, but my self funded budget is holding me back

These Manitous are far superior to Fox and RockShock IMHO. Far less air needed. Like way, way less and so much more supple and small bump compliance.

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

New one coming

Mmmm. So it’s gonna be super sensitive with temp and elevation change. Not good for a long day in saddle

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

Haven’t tried, but Likly

@pernyberg2816

2 ай бұрын

How so?

Measuring sag with pump attached to shock for me is questionable.

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

For sure

@trentvlak

2 ай бұрын

It wouldn't work for a Manitou fork but works fine for Manitou shocks.

@trentvlak

26 күн бұрын

funny story, I was in the bike shop doing some demo rides and I suggested, "hey, why don't we use one of those rubber straps and strap the pump to the frame when setting sag so we don't have to constantly hook up the shock?" so we tried it and now that's how they do all their set ups.

yee they are not trying to reinwent the wheel for sales .

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

New one is coming in few months. We’ll see

Thank You, I- Like waut U Sa" I got MARA pro shox R/ n mezzer pro fofk F ...matched Set up front and rear 2024 Trance X 29 140x160. " your my guy " date 4/4/2024 ////FYI tires 2.6 F/R--magic mary on back Assegal n front. Hayes Dominion breaks.got over three decades of mountain bike helium in my blood thanks for the help cool

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

All good parts there

@trentvlak

2 ай бұрын

Sweet setup.

lol bro, you don't cycle this shock while filling it. THERE IS NO EQUALIZATION PORT. You have to set the negative by taking the air can off.

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

I didn’t know this. Do you care to share any more about shock. It supports riders 240lb as is usable rebound range and air pressure setting. Most shocks couldn’t do this

@trentvlak

3 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Fox and Rockshox use a dimple on the inside of the air can so the pos and neg chambers equalize and it's usually around the sag point. Upside is that your negative is always at the right pressure. Downside is that there's a dead spot in the shock, and it equates to 5-10mm of wheel travel. Manitou don't have this dimple or dead spot. So to set your negative pressure, you have to take off and reinstall the air can. You can put the shock in the freezer to increase the density of this air and the pressure in the negative according to pv=nrt that we all know. But air will slowly leak out of the negative so you'll have to re-set it periodically. I do it once a year.

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

Thanks, probably in the manual I just don’t remember that?

@trentvlak

26 күн бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Probably, but to be fair, Manitou's setup guides are not the best. What would make this shock perfect would be if they added a fill port to the negative and an easy swap damper like Formula have. The Mara Pro is really good in the stock tune for riders 150-180lbs.

I just cant get over how ugly this shock looks. > "Mom can I have a shock" > "No we have shock at home"

@OtterMTBtech

4 ай бұрын

Price is right. Kinda odd piggy back for sure

@zugdsbtngizudsgbnudsdsoiu

4 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Its not only the piggyback. The can, the knobs, the logo. The whole thing is stuck in 2010.

@OtterMTBtech

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking more 90’s tribal tattoos myself. Lolo

@zugdsbtngizudsgbnudsdsoiu

3 ай бұрын

@@OtterMTBtech Ive just found the Gamux Sego which looks very promising and theyre using it it doesnt look that bad but they have also removed the tribal. But the whole bike is different.

2nd

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

😎

first!

@jasonchristopheruy80

5 ай бұрын

🤣

@OtterMTBtech

5 ай бұрын

😎