Manchester City’s Alleged FFP Breaches & Chelsea’s Spending Spree | Overlap Fan Debate Part 1

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The Overlap is back and we’re in our brand new home, ready for a debate.
We’ve got Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, and some of the biggest fan channels across the country.
First up we look at Manchester City, and the news surrounding the alleged FFP breaches. We’re joined by Matt Slater & Sam Lee from The Athletic to share insight on the rulings, before diving into Chelsea’s spending spree.
We’ve got Part Two & Three coming out very soon, subscribe now & make sure to turn notifications on.
00:00-25:35 Manchester City’s FFP breaches
25:36-36:50 Chelsea’s spending spree

Пікірлер: 2 500

  • @aaronconnolly935
    @aaronconnolly935 Жыл бұрын

    Gary loves the phrase “The next 12-18 months “ 😂

  • @rhvon_5813

    @rhvon_5813

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣

  • @Matt-ft2fc

    @Matt-ft2fc

    Жыл бұрын

    And “at this moment in time”

  • @ImranMalik-xl1iy

    @ImranMalik-xl1iy

    Жыл бұрын

    And to be fair

  • @leedavies7214

    @leedavies7214

    Жыл бұрын

    I wish I played for Liverpool

  • @itsagameaboutfindingspace6352

    @itsagameaboutfindingspace6352

    Жыл бұрын

    Harry Kane is gold

  • @stuartswanton1676
    @stuartswanton1676 Жыл бұрын

    Great idea getting the journalists involved, adds a lot of information rather than just speculation to these chats.

  • @FuncleB

    @FuncleB

    Жыл бұрын

    Matt Walker is a class act. Should get Kieran Maguire on at somepoint too 👍🏻

  • @lee97ynwa74

    @lee97ynwa74

    Жыл бұрын

    Football doesn't have much talk about actual Football these days does it?

  • @Vss86

    @Vss86

    Жыл бұрын

    Not a fan ! Should just be fans Or carra neville should have checked all the facts before coming on Otherwise it be full of journos sitting out in front

  • @Adsddg

    @Adsddg

    Жыл бұрын

    Only thing to pick at is maybe a bit longer. But yeah much more interactive, great show

  • @benhopson95

    @benhopson95

    Жыл бұрын

    Robbie has been relegated

  • @Moltzenn
    @Moltzenn Жыл бұрын

    Robbie did well to restrain himself after uttering the name Samir Nasri, thought he was gonna throw hands for a moment there..

  • @ravd8082

    @ravd8082

    3 ай бұрын

    sheikh Mansour owes it to the payers of man city his firm ADUG has secretly being funded sponsorship deals on behalf of Etihad airways for the last 10 years

  • @andrewking_8
    @andrewking_8 Жыл бұрын

    Let’s goooo! Always a great convo. Thankfully the City news didn’t come out right after this was recorded

  • @michaelchristian7938
    @michaelchristian7938 Жыл бұрын

    Premium overlap seats - sitting and looking at the back of Gary’s and Carra’s head for an hour plus 😂

  • @geckopubg

    @geckopubg

    Жыл бұрын

    Some would say that's Gary's better side

  • @Shrewdy1

    @Shrewdy1

    Жыл бұрын

    @@geckopubg Gis a lend of 20 quid pal

  • @FatTodd

    @FatTodd

    Жыл бұрын

    @@geckopubg you thought you were the big man on the block splashing your cash and now the emir of Qatar is gonna come humble you and destroy all of us. Nice one Todd

  • @davidekstein129

    @davidekstein129

    Жыл бұрын

    Sardines in a carra-nevell can. London delicacy.

  • @WilfChadwick

    @WilfChadwick

    Жыл бұрын

    Gary really does not want to go hard on this. FA national audits inbound, especially for teams with foreign investors, Salford City. Set trousers to 'soil'!

  • @HitmanKurt
    @HitmanKurt Жыл бұрын

    Fergie winning another PL 10 years after the final whistle in his final game?! …..The ultimate Fergie time.

  • @Supersleuth42

    @Supersleuth42

    Жыл бұрын

    He’s busy paying back the hundreds of thousands in tax that he avoided whilst United manager!

  • @lukeoneill513

    @lukeoneill513

    Жыл бұрын

    😂 You little genius

  • @fox2569

    @fox2569

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao

  • @daquaviousbingleton9763

    @daquaviousbingleton9763

    Жыл бұрын

    Ferguson masterclass he predicted this

  • @NOORAHMED-wi8hy

    @NOORAHMED-wi8hy

    Жыл бұрын

    Few days ago - Pep calls out 9 PL Clubs writing to PL to have City Banned,while Chelsea spend 600M Few days later - PL Sanction City PL not Corrupt?😂

  • @UvKal_zA
    @UvKal_zA Жыл бұрын

    This was brilliant! Thank you so much for the amazing content 🙏🔥

  • @colinburns9736
    @colinburns9736 Жыл бұрын

    Good watch. Well done to all. Decent debate. Respect. Learning. Great stuff. Do more of this. Enough said.

  • @dylancarey7711

    @dylancarey7711

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed. Nice work.

  • @1977Suspiria
    @1977Suspiria Жыл бұрын

    Before I watch this, somebody better get Carragher to address his comments about Martinez, he's been ducking the topic for months. 😆

  • @TheOverlap

    @TheOverlap

    Жыл бұрын

    Stay tuned 👀

  • @Parky_1712

    @Parky_1712

    Жыл бұрын

    Need to get Howson on here for that!!

  • @samknightley4173

    @samknightley4173

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheOverlap get in

  • @LoCoAde87

    @LoCoAde87

    Жыл бұрын

    Do we ignore the United fans majorly screaming at Ten Haag to move him to DM or LB after a couple of games too???

  • @Parky_1712

    @Parky_1712

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LoCoAde87 Yes, cause they're idiots

  • @alexunitedstand2210
    @alexunitedstand2210 Жыл бұрын

    "The equivalent of when your gf asks to show your phone and you refuse" LOOOOOOOOL

  • @Boyd2ubaikie

    @Boyd2ubaikie

    Жыл бұрын

    You're basically vindicating City with that point.

  • @goofysmp
    @goofysmp Жыл бұрын

    This has got to be my favourite football channel rn. Everyone gets a chance to say their peace and they’re all really knowledgeable people

  • @natmol1595

    @natmol1595

    Жыл бұрын

    Kiss arse clown world loves you too

  • @mancityscot
    @mancityscot Жыл бұрын

    Fair play to Steven, did well. Can't be easy being in a room where 90% of who's there have already made up their mind that city are guilty.

  • @Efcdan1878

    @Efcdan1878

    Жыл бұрын

    99% , City fans are showing selective blindness , they have cheated .... FFP is unfair at times but they bought the Etihad naming rights off Manchester council for £2m and sold them for £300m literally the next day , inflated sponsors to cheat round FFP

  • @callumw6031
    @callumw6031 Жыл бұрын

    Gary is bang on the money on FFP and sustainability within football, even though it does serve his best interests at Salford

  • @paulmallon9292

    @paulmallon9292

    Жыл бұрын

    Its a pretty socialist model. It won't ever happen. I'm not saying it shouldn't but it is hugely unlikely.

  • @jayjay3334

    @jayjay3334

    Жыл бұрын

    And of course he will change once United is bough by a Qatari investor 😁

  • @benhopson95

    @benhopson95

    Жыл бұрын

    Robbie has been relegated

  • @thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484

    @thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484

    Жыл бұрын

    I think Chev Neville is against the FFP exactly because of Salford. He said in a interview on Sky Sports that owners should be spend how much they want. Maybe he's changing his tone, because he knows majority are against it. He shifts his stand constanstly.

  • @boatymcboatyface

    @boatymcboatyface

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thinlizzywhiskeyinmejar7484 When FFP was pitched, it was to stop clubs from going into administration. If an owner puts up their own money (not debt in the club's name), then it can't hurt the club. FFP was stated to help clubs become sustainable, in reality it's biggest impact was cementing existing hierarchies and increasing inequality between clubs.

  • @edwardisyagi7888
    @edwardisyagi7888 Жыл бұрын

    Am glad Gary has mentioned the price factors for positions in football...it's hard to make sense. Football agents, press and clubs need to be put to check

  • @iam-man

    @iam-man

    Жыл бұрын

    Football agents are a cancer , surely there's alternatives to these parasites...

  • @drep9028

    @drep9028

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree...I would say that's a better way to attempt to limit a monopoly.

  • @thomasrichards3760

    @thomasrichards3760

    Жыл бұрын

    As with anything, it’s not what you know - but who you know. £30-40M worth of player like Ruben Neves move to Wolves in Championship - when every top club in Europe would have taken him for right price.

  • @thomasrichards3760

    @thomasrichards3760

    Жыл бұрын

    Players and agents now run the market of transfers. All the power is in the hands of the players, and clubs will work with likes of Mendea and Kia Jorabarichshsgan to smooth those costs. Ruben Neves doesn’t end up at Wolves, and Tevez/Mascherano never play for West Ham

  • @PLUTOXGOAT

    @PLUTOXGOAT

    Жыл бұрын

    It's a very socialist type concept, trying to limit the gap between the top and the bottom. It will never work.

  • @JanCastellari
    @JanCastellari Жыл бұрын

    Nice format - looking forward to watching into the future

  • @J1_A1
    @J1_A1 Жыл бұрын

    Couldn’t agree more with Gary about his view on FFP, it’s just a way to keep the big clubs at the top, nothing fair about it

  • @sibusisokhosa8127
    @sibusisokhosa8127 Жыл бұрын

    Great show guys,appreciate the content

  • @Dakay22
    @Dakay22 Жыл бұрын

    these videos just brighten up my day. thank you very much.

  • @tjfaber3071
    @tjfaber3071 Жыл бұрын

    Exactly 💯 💯 what I needed 👏 thanks overlap

  • @Killerkwoi13
    @Killerkwoi13 Жыл бұрын

    Great show, good to see a couple of new faces now from some clubs as well.

  • @zofiamayadams8780
    @zofiamayadams8780 Жыл бұрын

    Good to see you back! Get the next parts up quick :)

  • @beatzguy
    @beatzguy Жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait for the part where Joe calls out Carragher again! UP THE PADDOCK

  • @ab0596

    @ab0596

    Жыл бұрын

    Gimp

  • @samknightley4173

    @samknightley4173

    Жыл бұрын

    Same here, wanna see his takes on Liverpool and ask Jamie what his opinion is on Licha now

  • @Ladtyuven223

    @Ladtyuven223

    Жыл бұрын

    Is that the half horse, half man ponytail guy that sits through watchalongs looking like he wants to die all the time? “oh, 2-0 cool😔”

  • @bluesEvanskro

    @bluesEvanskro

    Жыл бұрын

    Lol United fans always make it about themselves

  • @bluesEvanskro

    @bluesEvanskro

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Ladtyuven223wait who’s that he sounds sad poor guy

  • @davidb9059
    @davidb9059 Жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to watching loads more episodes .

  • @D3athW1ng
    @D3athW1ng Жыл бұрын

    Lol the phone Comment at 14:10 was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣 - spot on

  • @Manu-ij7hk
    @Manu-ij7hk Жыл бұрын

    Was waiting for this one 🙂

  • @willfraser6385
    @willfraser6385 Жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait to see this live in June !

  • @johndoherty6729
    @johndoherty6729 Жыл бұрын

    I love the over lap, great show!

  • @ggates2500
    @ggates2500 Жыл бұрын

    Great show & great format, cheers for doing this. PLEASE sort out some compression & limiting in the audio level haha

  • @konkerballs1
    @konkerballs1 Жыл бұрын

    Lovely, can't wait for the Dublin show.. Overlap has been well missed...

  • @MickeyRedNose
    @MickeyRedNose Жыл бұрын

    Nice one, just sat down with a cup of tea. Cheers ☕

  • @joncamilleri2172
    @joncamilleri2172 Жыл бұрын

    I love what this channel is doing, the interviews and supporter debates. Having a home is important, so the studio is a good decision.

  • @notafuckingvlogger

    @notafuckingvlogger

    Жыл бұрын

    Get a grip

  • @joncamilleri2172

    @joncamilleri2172

    Жыл бұрын

    @@notafuckingvlogger Thanks for the comment

  • @surendran9311

    @surendran9311

    Жыл бұрын

    @@notafuckingvlogger maybe you should? :)

  • @andrew13yt

    @andrew13yt

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@surendran9311 He was probably doing that while he typed with his other hand

  • @mixitube489
    @mixitube489 Жыл бұрын

    This is a very good type of football talk show. Getting foorball journalists and football l personalities and experts together in person to discuss. Just come across it and subscribed. Love it.

  • @willyt6616
    @willyt6616 Жыл бұрын

    Love the overlap!

  • @peikernchua3850
    @peikernchua3850 Жыл бұрын

    Great content ❤

  • @jimjam_games5783
    @jimjam_games5783 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant, love the new studio. Will enjoy this

  • @readventurekids
    @readventurekids Жыл бұрын

    Love Flav chuckling away with Robbie. Brilliant!

  • @dblain2729
    @dblain2729 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Si for the Chelsea point of view, excellent job explaining how we view things and surviving the barrage of questions from the rival fans about the recruitment tactics. Enjoyed that!

  • @bobbythompson6107

    @bobbythompson6107

    Жыл бұрын

    Up the chels

  • @GarlicbreadmanOP
    @GarlicbreadmanOP Жыл бұрын

    Hope the other parts are released pronto!

  • @wriches

    @wriches

    Жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to GNev once again doubling down on Arsenal not making the top four!

  • @GarlicbreadmanOP

    @GarlicbreadmanOP

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wriches and carra saying something very dumb

  • @georgeheaton
    @georgeheaton Жыл бұрын

    I’m glad Sam Lee from The Athletic is on here he’s great on podcasts out there and a really eloquent bloke who knows his stuff 👍🏻

  • @theianprender-cast3863
    @theianprender-cast3863 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic to have the Fan Debates back, love the new studio set-up… but go back to the longer form edit, please. I understand why you’d want to edit for time, but it makes the episodes and the chat a bit clunky. The best format is the one you allow to breathe.

  • @20undy10
    @20undy10 Жыл бұрын

    🎵 Citys going down with a billion in the bank, a billion in the bank 🎵

  • @MrMarketingGuy

    @MrMarketingGuy

    Жыл бұрын

    City's - as in City is - just love correcting people like you!

  • @Eggshells4life

    @Eggshells4life

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrMarketingGuy not this time

  • @mister3566

    @mister3566

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrMarketingGuy penis

  • @20undy10

    @20undy10

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MrMarketingGuy * slow clap *

  • @jmacmcfc4662

    @jmacmcfc4662

    Жыл бұрын

    WE DO WHAT WE WANT WE DO WHAT WE WANT.... WERE MAN CITY WE DO WHAT WE WANT... CITY CITY

  • @ErlingEra
    @ErlingEra Жыл бұрын

    Big up Steven! Confident City will prevail and beat these claims! CTID🇧🇼

  • @FuncleB

    @FuncleB

    Жыл бұрын

    No chance. 115 breaches, it's not just a few. You're deluding yourselves into thinking you'll be okay.

  • @8innergate
    @8innergate Жыл бұрын

    Love this but for the editors @The Overlap could use some better audio compression or limiting, hard to find a good volume

  • @OliverPhythian
    @OliverPhythian Жыл бұрын

    It’s brilliant to watch Jamie, Gary and the rest of the panel dodge how much they want to celebrate that this is happening to city after yearssss of slating their financial actions. They’ve got to be waiting for the day it (potentially) comes out to actually celebrate

  • @phatbi971
    @phatbi971 Жыл бұрын

    Wow this new studio is wonderful 🔥

  • @mathrockmaniac7643
    @mathrockmaniac7643 Жыл бұрын

    Absolutley love Neville even as a City fan, he always has a good point of view most of the times, one of the best pundits out there in my opinion.

  • @3bladeninja21

    @3bladeninja21

    Жыл бұрын

    🤣🤣💀

  • @ANGELOFDARKification

    @ANGELOFDARKification

    Жыл бұрын

    A lot of people wouldn't give him a hard time if he wasn't ex-United imo. They think he has an agenda for rivals even though he's said great things about Liverpool, City and Arsenal. He is definitely biased around United and specifically Ole but you can't throw your boy under the bus 😂

  • @3bladeninja21

    @3bladeninja21

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ANGELOFDARKification Hargreaves is an ex united fan and he is much more level headed. Also doesn't get a hard time. It's not because of the club.

  • @ringlora2

    @ringlora2

    Жыл бұрын

    yea not like them liverpool pundits that just slag united off every time they are on, and if it's not united it's united's players.

  • @nikonumminen

    @nikonumminen

    Жыл бұрын

    As a city fan respect to gary neville👏

  • @Smokey_MR2
    @Smokey_MR2 Жыл бұрын

    Its simple, I see the Overlap I hit like and sit back to enjoy! Always fantastic content, just wish there were more of them!

  • @Smokey_MR2

    @Smokey_MR2

    Жыл бұрын

    @@barker1438 Agree with that, so wish it was more often but I guess hard for Gary and Carra with their workloads. Thanks for the comment bud!

  • @DanReado
    @DanReado Жыл бұрын

    Could listen to matt slater about football finances all day. Great insight 👍

  • @ottson
    @ottson Жыл бұрын

    Winston Bogarde lol. Brings back memories

  • @kypl1910
    @kypl1910 Жыл бұрын

    Love to see the Don!! Robbie being generous letting them all sit in his studio 🙌🙌

  • @josephrose8723
    @josephrose8723 Жыл бұрын

    Agree with Gary, why should the same so called 'traditional elite clubs' be the only clubs that can win titles!!!!

  • @PLUTOXGOAT

    @PLUTOXGOAT

    Жыл бұрын

    Because that's how football and sports work. The best clubs and the best teams win

  • @FFTsteel
    @FFTsteel Жыл бұрын

    The way Jamie Caragher says Mudryk gets me all the time. He is even thinking before he says his name 🤣🤣

  • @FFTsteel

    @FFTsteel

    Жыл бұрын

    @barker143 🤣🤣🤣🤣💥

  • @spinynormanbest6410

    @spinynormanbest6410

    Жыл бұрын

    If only everyone would think before they spoke 😉😉

  • @VeryIntellijent
    @VeryIntellijent Жыл бұрын

    The decision by Chelsea to go down the long-term contract route is all about risk vs reward. Boehly strongly believes football is going to continue experiencing strong growth, particularly on the broadcasting side. For Chelsea to stay aboard the gravy train, they need consistent Champions League football at a bare minimum. With Newcastle back on the rise, we are well on-track to having a big 7. There are only 4 guaranteed Champions League places, and the revenue, exposure, and pulling power of one is crucial to the long-term success of these clubs. Boehly is taking this risk because the alternative is languishing mid-table whilst trying to rebuild over the next 5 or 10 years. Without CL football, and with the revenue gaps between clubs ever-increasing, that rebuild becomes a far more difficult process.

  • @asaagdagd

    @asaagdagd

    Жыл бұрын

    This is very true

  • @Tom-qb1rj

    @Tom-qb1rj

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean it’s a one window thing as we can’t do it next window so it’s not really a long term thing

  • @no9scrum
    @no9scrum Жыл бұрын

    Boelhy's contract model is based on the American sports contract models.... where you have massively long contracts but they have no issues with paying players severance fee's to cut them from the squad if they dont work. I see more and more players being cut than sold on if it doesn't work for them there, alternatively they always seem to have the ability to loan players out

  • @Shrewdy1

    @Shrewdy1

    Жыл бұрын

    Works better in the American model where they have salary caps - so if they tie a key player down to a long term contract, it opens up more room for them to invest in others as the salary cap increases. I just don't see it having the same effect here, in terms of a positive one. Definitely ways it can turn the other way on them

  • @no9scrum

    @no9scrum

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Shrewdy1 Not really because you still have the issue of one or 2 players taking up a massive amount of the cap... NFL quarterback salaries take up a huge percentage of the cap on one player... I'd suspect these long term contracts are full of incentives.... so a player will sign a 70k a week contract for 8 years instead of a 140k a week for 4 with the knowledge that each performance marker will result in either a pay out lump sum or a salary increase... If they don't reach the incentives they're stuck on the lower rate of pay which makes it easier to get rid of them if needed to or to simply cut them (although this is unlikely) Mudryk for example would probably be offered almost double what he's on just now but for half the time on the contract were he to have been bought by Utd, City or Madrid

  • @asaagdagd

    @asaagdagd

    Жыл бұрын

    @@no9scrum Good perspective and valid points!

  • @parashit2181

    @parashit2181

    Жыл бұрын

    American sports have no relegation system, once they failed, most teams will tank to pick the best talent available for free. In english football once your experiment failed, you will be stucked and drop to league one just like Sunderland.

  • @karabomafa5609

    @karabomafa5609

    Жыл бұрын

    that is a bad idea..

  • @buffywhatever1093
    @buffywhatever1093 Жыл бұрын

    Great content this, Gaz & Carra knocking it outta the park……and to think we had to tolerate Keys & Gray for so long, can you imagine the set they’d have built, a boys club with dolly birds serving them gin & tonics, babbling on about black boots and foreign players diets!!!

  • @YouTube
    @YouTube Жыл бұрын

    popcorn is ready 🍿 this'll be a good one.

  • @AlngBalin
    @AlngBalin Жыл бұрын

    Well spoken Steve. These rival teams are just jealous. Coming from a Real Madrid fan.

  • @Gargamel616

    @Gargamel616

    Жыл бұрын

    Jealous of who? We've got more than double their trophies! That goes for Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United.

  • @TheRobotsWillEatYou

    @TheRobotsWillEatYou

    Жыл бұрын

    Jealous? City are about to be relegated, see if we're jealous then lmao

  • @TheSaladin777

    @TheSaladin777

    Жыл бұрын

    Jealous of being at the centre of one of the biggest scandals of English football history? LOL yeah super jealous gronk!

  • @abrahamsneo7783

    @abrahamsneo7783

    Жыл бұрын

    They're indeed jealous. The premier league elites conspired against City to weaken the club.

  • @JohnnyNagaSins

    @JohnnyNagaSins

    Жыл бұрын

    How can we be jealous of a plastic club, your club was sponsored by the Spanish Royal family for half a century, say no less.

  • @Dr.Collins344
    @Dr.Collins344 Жыл бұрын

    Big credit to Robbie from AFTV giving all these fans their opinion. He started this

  • @kristiangoddard5515
    @kristiangoddard5515 Жыл бұрын

    Journalist’s add real depth to an already brilliant format.

  • @ribhvan8599
    @ribhvan8599 Жыл бұрын

    Finally a proper fan representing Chelsea! Always felt that the other Chelsea fan reps were either not passionate, or did not want to be bold and back their club, or just had no clue what was happening and would simply nod at Neville and Carragher's distasteful remarks.

  • @manutdfanGH
    @manutdfanGH Жыл бұрын

    Give me a dollar each time Neville says: “Independent Regulator”

  • @faz1606

    @faz1606

    Жыл бұрын

    It's getting boring

  • @thomasandersen6719

    @thomasandersen6719

    Жыл бұрын

    Or “at this moment in time”

  • @fablenumber1fan

    @fablenumber1fan

    Жыл бұрын

    A dollar?

  • @MrXaphus

    @MrXaphus

    Жыл бұрын

    "absolutely"

  • @rayj737

    @rayj737

    Жыл бұрын

    Independent regulator = arsene wenger, David gill…. STOP THIS RACIST GAME!

  • @ANGELOFDARKification
    @ANGELOFDARKification Жыл бұрын

    There's a huge misconception here that before Boehly, every club would pay the full amount for a player in the same window. It has always been split over years. Chelsea just stretched it out over 7/8 years instead of 3/4 on the books

  • @danniwilder2198

    @danniwilder2198

    Жыл бұрын

    ANGELOFDARKification Well said feller. 90% of transfer fees are paid over 3 years. Very few transfers are paid all in one lump sum. One thing.....7 and 8 years? Are you sure the transfer fees are being paid in instalments over that long? I know the player contracts are for 7 and 8 years but I wasn't aware the transfer fees were being paid over that length of time as well. In fact I'd be shocked if that is the case. Also I'm sure the Shakhtar owner said something about 3 yearly instalments (I could be wrong though).

  • @ANGELOFDARKification

    @ANGELOFDARKification

    Жыл бұрын

    @@danniwilder2198 I think for FFP they will account it over that many years. In terms of the actual money being sent over, it would probably depend on the club. For e.g. I think Benfica got a decent amount right now but will get 120mill over the next couple seasons. I dont know if that's due to it being a release clause kind of thing though.

  • @scottallan7931

    @scottallan7931

    Жыл бұрын

    agreed. Chelsea are playing within thr current rules vs what Man City are accused of. They are spreading the cost of these transfers via amortisation across a larger span of time so end of year accounts look healthier. The risk they take is that some expensive signings are a bust and stuck on long contracts. That said if Enzo is a bust after 2 years and they sell him for 70 mill. In their accounts they won't suffer a 35 mill loss on the 105 they spent. They will have likely paid 40 mill by that time so for that financial year they would actually show a profit on that deal and the losses will be smaller over the following years rather than one hit

  • @danniwilder2198

    @danniwilder2198

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ANGELOFDARKification The problems with Benfica came about when they started to insist on the whole payment straight away in one go. Naturally Chelsea were taken aback by this because that's not how things are usually done, especially when the amount involved is so large. It wasn't like Chelsea were asking for anything out of the ordinary. I am very convinced Chelsea were expecting to pay it over 3 years, as is the norm. The fact of it being a release clause that Chelsea were triggering would make no difference to the payment arrangements. Rui Costa was just trying to be difficult with everything. I'm guessing that was because of how he desperately didn't want to lose the player mid season.

  • @danniwilder2198

    @danniwilder2198

    Жыл бұрын

    @@scottallan7931 If a player on a long contract is a 'bust', as you put it, then just like with any other player the club will sell him on. Whether he's on a 5 yr contract or an 8 yr contract it won't make any difference. Why should being on an 8 yr contract make it any harder to sell that player? I'm sorry but I cannot fathom out your figures & calculations at all. Once a player has left a club & is under a contract with another club he does not figure at all for amortisation purposes of the club he's left. Once a player has left Chelsea there is no more amortisation cost for that player. It stops the moment he signs a contract with his new club. There has been much hysteria & it is out of all proportion with the issue. The difference an 8 yr contract makes with a 5 yr contract in respect to the annual amortisation cost of a player is really quite minimal. I estimate the difference for Enzo Fernandez in year one to be about £6.2m & for Mudryk to be about £8.4m and for Badiashile to be about £2.6m. Those figures are for year one. A player's annual amortisation cost is different each year of his contract. I estimate Chelsea overall amortisation cost to be about £23m less this year to what it would've been had those players signed 5 year contracts instead of 7 and 8 year contracts. I'd love to be able to quote Chelsea total 22/23 amortisation amount but that can't be done without having really credible information on every player's length of contract, annual gross salary, & correct transfer fee including what, if any, transfer fee add-ons have been activated to date. To reduce your total amortisation cost by approx £23m in one year is not to be sniffed at & it all helps with FFP, however, £23m is not an amount that is going to impact the plans of Todd Boehly in any kind of way. I'd be very surprised if the main reason for giving young players 7 & 8 year contracts has anything to do with complying with FFP rules. It may be one factor in the club's thinking but I simply cannot believe FFP is THE reason for giving longer contracts.

  • @RapierTL
    @RapierTL Жыл бұрын

    @9:22 Good one Baz!

  • @daphnewabule1399
    @daphnewabule1399 Жыл бұрын

    Matt Slater is my favourite person to listen to talking about football finance

  • @Ewaja2000
    @Ewaja2000 Жыл бұрын

    Honestly the presentator is so good at asking the right questions at the right time with great responses and doesn’t interrupt and lets everyone speak thought this needs to be said thanks for the great show!

  • @seanolusina6058
    @seanolusina6058 Жыл бұрын

    I love how they put the 2 culprits at the back of the room 😂

  • @martinblomqvist1870

    @martinblomqvist1870

    Жыл бұрын

    Why are they culprits?

  • @MCFCTheMadHatter

    @MCFCTheMadHatter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@martinblomqvist1870 Bc in his tiny little mind they’re both guilty regardless of what the current facts are. Guaranteed he’s a United, LFC or Arsenal fan and hates the idea of the“nouveau riche” football clubs Chelsea & City competing with against them. Incidentally why many think FFP was really brought into the PL to begin - to ensure the upper class had no new members at the table

  • @seanolusina6058

    @seanolusina6058

    Жыл бұрын

    @@martinblomqvist1870 Sorry mate, I forgot it's 2023 and nobody is allowed to joke about anything anymore. Of course they aren't culprits, I was only fooling around.

  • @kieranhardy581

    @kieranhardy581

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MCFCTheMadHatter someone's fuming.

  • @gershwincharles5347
    @gershwincharles5347 Жыл бұрын

    AMEN 🙏 SO INSPIRATIONAL 😊

  • @nivvy19
    @nivvy19 Жыл бұрын

    thanks for this but the volume levels were all over the place. please fix

  • @ZeroTheHeroGOAT
    @ZeroTheHeroGOAT Жыл бұрын

    Let them keep the titles and let them forever be tainted. Relegate them and slap an insanely strict decade long wage and transfer budget limit.

  • @edd1e316
    @edd1e316 Жыл бұрын

    The City fan is always torture on this.

  • @Airyed

    @Airyed

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah wish others were given a chance

  • @Ricardo-ur5os

    @Ricardo-ur5os

    Жыл бұрын

    Seriously, he actually thinks he sounds so smart. He words stuff like he thinks he’s sounding so poetic and wise yet he speaks a whole lot of crap 😂

  • @Efcdan1878

    @Efcdan1878

    Жыл бұрын

    Kick em out

  • @benplank434
    @benplank434 Жыл бұрын

    Well done Simon Phillips. 💪🏻💪🏻

  • @maryhoss
    @maryhoss Жыл бұрын

    great show ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @santidave8238
    @santidave8238 Жыл бұрын

    Well spoken here Steve 🙌 They all wants us to be guilty even before it's been proven. This is all gonna be turned in our favour, our club will unite in these tough times and win it all both on and off the pitch💙

  • @TheRobotsWillEatYou

    @TheRobotsWillEatYou

    Жыл бұрын

    delusion

  • @Gsdizzle19

    @Gsdizzle19

    Жыл бұрын

    All he did was say he doesn't care about any punishment and because he's not a financial expert or into politics he will still celebrate the illegitimate titles.

  • @robertclarkefeltham5112
    @robertclarkefeltham5112 Жыл бұрын

    It's "not an idea that no-one has ever thought of before", when we signed Kepa we literally amortized the cost over 7 years

  • @RBernsCarter
    @RBernsCarter Жыл бұрын

    I think that transfer fees should only be the size of the contract that the player has left. Eg if a player has 3 years left on a £100k a week contract, the transfer fee is just a bit over £15mil

  • @Davey11
    @Davey11 Жыл бұрын

    Love the studio. Fair play to Neville

  • @benhopson95

    @benhopson95

    Жыл бұрын

    Robbie has been relegated

  • @leevanahmed888
    @leevanahmed888 Жыл бұрын

    13:50 love how Robbie said "Submit the papers" and the City fan had no reply

  • @Mag88909

    @Mag88909

    Жыл бұрын

    You ignored Matt Slater's point then that City would argue the Premier League were on a fishing expedition. Robbie is not an expert on football finance and, like Carragher, his opinion is irrelevant as there is little knowledge to back it up. In litigation, parties don't just open their documents of everything to the other party

  • @leevanahmed888

    @leevanahmed888

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Mag88909is it a fishing expedition when City have been repeat offenders?

  • @Mag88909

    @Mag88909

    Жыл бұрын

    @@leevanahmed888 UEFA 2020 case found not guilty. This is the first Prem Lge case so not a repeat offender. Point still stands by Matt Slater re. Fishing expedition

  • @leevanahmed888

    @leevanahmed888

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Mag88909the UEFA case didn't prove that Man City weren't guilty. They got that case overturned because most of the breaches were "time-barred" or had a statute of limitations on it. If you weren't guilty then why'd you have to pay the fine of 30 million?

  • @michaelgrasso100

    @michaelgrasso100

    Жыл бұрын

    @@leevanahmed888 The fine was for not cooperating, nothing to do with the charges

  • @yofinance1777
    @yofinance1777 Жыл бұрын

    Love how this reflects Football stadiums, mostly guys, lads and their mates. No PC BS that the BBC would fix together. Keep it real

  • @breathefitness
    @breathefitness Жыл бұрын

    The Man City fan started how he left off, non stop talking. Great to see it back and having journalists there too

  • @inghell
    @inghell Жыл бұрын

    I disagree with the Man City fan massively. Just because you support the team doesn't mean you can be so blinkered to what's going on. It was almost as if he was trying to play the victim in this situation. As a fan I would be fuming if the club's reputation is potentially going to be dragged through the mud because those in charge have decided they don't want to play by the rules to such a level that Premier League launched an investigation into this.

  • @abrahamjames7004

    @abrahamjames7004

    Жыл бұрын

    Nope we're not, they tried to make us successful and that they've done... If it's proven they took illegal means to invest more of their personal money in the club, that's a great sacrifice I'd forever admire... I'm not one for social morality

  • @Beyond_Belief534

    @Beyond_Belief534

    Жыл бұрын

    Blinkered? Where's the proof that you've been privvy to then? How have you established guilt?

  • @TheSaladin777

    @TheSaladin777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Beyond_Belief534 delusional

  • @pritapp788

    @pritapp788

    Жыл бұрын

    The City fan clearly doesn't understand that "match fixing" and "doping substances" are not the only ways you can rig a level playing field in your favour. Very biased and blinded. Actually, even the term "financial doping" used by Neville and Carragher is a euphemism for the allegations: stating that a business is bringing in more income than it actually does is fraud, pure and simple. In non-football contexts a business doing that would be in serious trouble.

  • @KhaledKhaled-ld6nq

    @KhaledKhaled-ld6nq

    Жыл бұрын

    fuming ? all relaxed because i'm sure city innocent dragging city into this right now not a coincidence for sure something fishy going around to put pressure on city and make arsenal in comfort zone winning the title , everybody talking about how city will get punish but forgotten how city will respond and react to this

  • @d_tbrit8439
    @d_tbrit8439 Жыл бұрын

    IF found guilty the city players and managers should keep there winners medals, but the club should have all Trophies won stripped away null and void, with no declared winner as its too late to just hand them to teams who came runner-up. Deduct 20 points off city this season and another 20 points start of next season. 5 year transfer ban, give their champions league spot to whoever finished 5th place. £500 Million fine to be paid back over the 5 years (£100m Each Year). Pep will leave along with their best players, all this should bring them back to where they was before the cheating began (2009), they can start over but this time play by the rules. Any future offences will mean automatic relegation to English 4th tier (League two).

  • @Beyond_Belief534

    @Beyond_Belief534

    Жыл бұрын

    Wow you're amazing at wishful thinking 👏

  • @stevesalkas9128

    @stevesalkas9128

    Жыл бұрын

    Stuff them they should go soon as guilty 1 billion fine sell more oil they'll be back in 3 years

  • @sidbob1215

    @sidbob1215

    Жыл бұрын

    So weird haha

  • @toastybutt
    @toastybutt Жыл бұрын

    if city is not guilty as they say, why did they pay the 10 mil fine and why didn't they contest it??

  • @tswelopeleseleka9641
    @tswelopeleseleka9641 Жыл бұрын

    really love the new setting

  • @gregzor2012
    @gregzor2012 Жыл бұрын

    Wish they touched more on Spurs and Arsenal and how unfair it is to those clubs and others like them that try to bring success organically through smart investment.

  • @jonwiltsie107

    @jonwiltsie107

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh please

  • @AmitShukla008

    @AmitShukla008

    Жыл бұрын

    Bludd said Topspur 💀

  • @azucarspacehead442
    @azucarspacehead442 Жыл бұрын

    The Everton lad is so funny the best part of the show 😂

  • @ChrisSpinney

    @ChrisSpinney

    Жыл бұрын

    The two scousers are great, both are always dropping a good line or two.

  • @MaychTV
    @MaychTV Жыл бұрын

    Cheers for having me on!

  • @spiritofshankly4517
    @spiritofshankly4517 Жыл бұрын

    The bloke behind Carra showing off his tattoo 😂😂😂

  • @Birl

    @Birl

    Жыл бұрын

    😂😂

  • @dothecapback
    @dothecapback Жыл бұрын

    good to see our guy joe smith in the mix

  • @NaimMohammed-pg8ro
    @NaimMohammed-pg8ro Жыл бұрын

    Really proud of Steven for representing us city fans. Great job mate and well done for standing up for us!

  • @PP1989

    @PP1989

    Жыл бұрын

    Well there is only 4 of you

  • @liamhaydn6235
    @liamhaydn6235 Жыл бұрын

    very good point from the spurs fan at the end of the City discussion.

  • @gregzor2012
    @gregzor2012 Жыл бұрын

    Great from Gary at 19:40, getting at the heart of the issue. There must be a funding model that provides for sustainability and potential for growth for smaller clubs. But the key piece of criteria that Gary left out in criticizing Andy Hull's model is FAIRNESS. If you allow any club's owner to contribute funding to cover losses/increase revenues, then any club that does not have an owner that can maximize that limit will not be able to compete in the long run. Any permitting of owner injection of funds will result in every club seeking to maximize those contributions year on year, and any club that can't do so will fall behind. Gary says that there is simply no way to grow a club without owner injection of cash--this is objectively false. Many clubs have done that and there are models for how to do it. Tottenham is the obvious example. Also Brentford and Brighton, which have had some owner investment, but who could have had the same success using the same expertise and strategy, although it would have taken longer. It IS possible to grow revenue without owner injection of cash, period.

  • @fearguspowers238
    @fearguspowers238 Жыл бұрын

    Fair play to the Chelsea fan, first time I've ever heard one of their fans speak sense and be eloquent

  • @unknownuser5548

    @unknownuser5548

    Жыл бұрын

    Shame he’s a cobham sexual because he actually speaks alot of good

  • @CharlieL292

    @CharlieL292

    Жыл бұрын

    What about Rory?

  • @fearguspowers238

    @fearguspowers238

    Жыл бұрын

    What about him?

  • @dangling-donk
    @dangling-donk Жыл бұрын

    Gary's jacket 😂😂

  • @gregwoodin5630
    @gregwoodin5630 Жыл бұрын

    Great video, but the audio could be louder!

  • @jamiesefton2430
    @jamiesefton2430 Жыл бұрын

    I’m a Liverpool fan and I obviously feel a fierce rivalry with city and an intense hatred of how they’ve obviously (fairly or not) bought their success. However, the fan speaking is how every football fan would defend their team and save their cherished football memories. I think he did a good job articulating his side. Also the football they’ve provided has been incredible and entertaining. There’s just a huge issue with finance in European football as a whole and it needs a complete revolution and new ways of making it as fair as possible.

  • @davidhegarty7971

    @davidhegarty7971

    Жыл бұрын

    Very good team but not entertaining. Boring to watch 🥱

  • @dxjjw

    @dxjjw

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidhegarty7971 They’ve become slightly boring while learning to adapt to a proper number 9 but City from 18/19 to 21/22 were amazing to watch

  • @zaneplatt3533

    @zaneplatt3533

    Жыл бұрын

    I follow and watch the NFL, NRL, NBA, MLB and Premier League. Of those competitions, the premier league is so much less competitive on average to the point that it is embarassing as a competition. The richest teams win virtually every season and are almost always top 4. The fact that Leicester City was so out of left field is pretty sad to be honest. In the other leagues (even those without a salary cap), you see a vastly superior balance.

  • @MCFCTheMadHatter

    @MCFCTheMadHatter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@davidhegarty7971 Pep csnt fox the problems with City team bc he’s effectively the architect of those problems

  • @davidhegarty7971

    @davidhegarty7971

    Жыл бұрын

    @@zaneplatt3533 keep your American sports they're rubbish man!

  • @Paul-yj1ij
    @Paul-yj1ij Жыл бұрын

    Poor city fan is very much in the denial stage of grief

  • @kennethkkoech

    @kennethkkoech

    Жыл бұрын

    nothing to deny. FFP was meant to stop city

  • @kurir000
    @kurir000 Жыл бұрын

    They need to change their City fan representative

  • @briansummers379

    @briansummers379

    Жыл бұрын

    Mate. There's not many out there

  • @pritapp788

    @pritapp788

    Жыл бұрын

    What makes you think they'd find a better one?

  • @kurir000

    @kurir000

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pritapp788 there's not a man out there that likes the sound of their voice as much.

  • @marccro8363
    @marccro8363 Жыл бұрын

    That city fan could talk a glass eye to sleep

  • @richardbare9911
    @richardbare9911 Жыл бұрын

    Only one advert break, they must have learnt fair play

  • @luckynumbersleven1801
    @luckynumbersleven1801 Жыл бұрын

    There is clearly a difference in fan & supporter on some of these bodies representing certain clubs, not sure most would understand their clubs culture in what it means to be a supporter. Great studio tho well done to the team

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