The edgelord in the first story was incredibly frustrating because if you actually want to be untraceable having a series of fake IDs would work a lot better than not having an ID in a world where everybody has one a large part of being untraceable is blending in

Greedy Paladin: "I have to be Lawful Good!" CG Bard: "you keep using that alignment, I don't think you know what it means."

@catandrobbyflores

2 жыл бұрын

Greedy paladin: inconceivable!

@christopherhammond5142

2 жыл бұрын

Greedy Paladin is the sort of clown to start a land war in Asia.

@Elyseon

Жыл бұрын

Paladin of Mammon, maybe. Or rather blackguard.

If he was playing an actual smart and successful rogue assassin who was born in a world that uses ID he would have gone with a fake ID!

@1tiptip187

2 жыл бұрын

@@brucebrown2241 The ID was addressed in the beginning as part of the campaigns world structure. If someone doesn't like the rules of the campaign then they simply don't join and look for a compatible RP group. What you don't do is a make a character just to crap all over the rules of the game.

@josephmatthews7698

Жыл бұрын

He should have used nord vpn

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

I can guarantee Edgy "Cookie-Cutter" McEdgelord would have done nothing but cause problems. It was good to get rid of him early. Most every one of these types has no real idea how to play an assassin at all. Instead they just murder hobo their way thru like in a cartoon.

@FlatOnHisFace

Жыл бұрын

As I'm listening to this story, I'm compelled to say to a room full of no-one else, "It sounds like he doesn't want to play this character." Two seconds later, Crispy narrates him accusing his DM of not wanting him to play his character. I was like: "Ironic."

The lesson from the ID story is that you need to make a character that fits the game world as set by the DM, or find a DM that will run a game that fits the character you want to play.

@TheNormExperience

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I don’t understand. Couldn’t you could just, y’know, TALK to the DM to make sure the character idea you love fits this game, or if you need to find a different game? Like...why would anyone rather keep trying to force a square block in a round hole to the point it ruins the game for everyone else?

@MrCrunchytime

2 жыл бұрын

​@@bloodleafz That's certainly a way of looking at it, but you disregard the part where the GM DIDN'T say the guards could not be bribed, just that he'd need a lot of gold, nor did he tell the player in question he couldn't do any of the things he wanted. Fact is, Mr. Broody McEdgelord made the situation more complicated and frustrating than it needed to be simply because he didn't want to play by the GM's rules that he agreed to.

@TheNormExperience

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodleafz Hahahaha, omg that first sentence made me rethink my entire world right now! Oh that was a good line. 🤣 But I can see what you’re saying. I was just thinking of it from a more personal/biased pov where I’ve saved characters for different campaigns if I knew it would hinder other players or the game overall, but that was my personal choice because that’s how I preferred to play.

@icecreamnoodles3742

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodleafz Oof man.

@shiggy4028

2 жыл бұрын

@@bloodleafz I actually had a similar thought but I also have to agree with MrCrunchytime that the DM didn't tell the player 'no' when he was looking for other options. The DM certainly made it difficult and risky but not impossible. And I feel like that makes sense. The IDs are important, that's how the world is built, so it makes sense that a larger city would have more security to make sure, no one without an ID can get in. Therefore it raises the difficulty if you are trying to avoid showing it.

"I want some magic items to start" "Okay, so uhh, we're gonna have to work to unlock them but maybe I can pull something off" "Alright so I want a *Talisman of Ultimate Evil* " Man, some players aren't hiding how OP they wanna be.

For the DM stressed about ruling, I understand some of them (specially the kid behavior checking if he forgot his previous ruling), but the one asking what would happen if the object disappeared after consumption or if he could spawn oil, I think that's a pretty normal thing to ask and expect a ruling for because it can change your fight strategy and it's good to fight with creativity and not only go around punching things. It seems like he's 1) just not fit for DMing or 2) focusing too much on balance or the consequences of his rulings instead of just saying "no you can't" or "yup, seems right" based on if it seems possible enough. There will always be moments where you forget you gave a player an item and they use it in a ridiculous way that changes everything, but that's fun too sometimes.

Edgelord in the first story, he has the typical problem that makes the edgelord a red flag, that is they just want their badass power fantasy Ultimate Ninja Assassin. They care not for the underground intrigue and various nuances that go into functioning as an Assassin or Ninja (you know, a lot of the stuff that actually makes them interesting) and just want to skip to the part where they are stabbing and slicing their way through scores of enemies in a "crimson tempest of death!" Otherwise they are just "that skilled" that as long as they wear the blue pajamas they are hidden, even in broad daylight. All they want is the fantasy of being that badass without any of the work to make them convincingly skilled or dangerous.

OMG I GOT IN A CRISPY'S TAVERN VIDEO AND YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTOOD THE MORAL OF MY WEAKSAUCE HORROR STORY (Edit: WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT) WOW!!! (I was the intro story)

I can appreciate the stressed DMs feelings, but there's definitely some basic improv they definitely should work on.

The last one, it me! I feel so honored. At least something good came of that game! Paladin genuinely thought that 18AC made him unhittable, and this was his motivation for trying to improve his armor. He also never once used a Divine Smite in the entire game. While I'm no min-maxxer, you know I was sitting there with a thousand-yard stare a few times LOL

@Tori-mh7fg

2 жыл бұрын

I know it's not any of our business, and I totally understand if you didn't get involved, but do you know what happened with Paladin and DM? I get the feeling theres some unhealthy things going on in that relationship and I'm just a lil worried about her.

@LighthearterTLP

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tori-mh7fg I'm still sort of in touch with her and the wedding is in like 2 weeks. It was pretty clear she had already made her choice and the last friend we had tried to help in a similar situation cut ties with us for telling her things she didn't want to hear. I am cautiously optimistic I can get her into my ongoing Strahd campaign after the wedding and hopefully be a positive influence but nothing's for certain and I wouldn't be shocked if nothing came of it

@Tori-mh7fg

2 жыл бұрын

@@LighthearterTLP yikes thats unfortunate. Well, I hope the Strahd campaign goes well and I hope everything turns out ok somehow.

@MogofWar

Жыл бұрын

18 AC.... 18, 19, and 20 makes 3 positions out of 20, so 15% chance to hit with +0 to hit... And he thought that was unhittable... I take it he wasn't very smart.

@demonic_myst4503

Жыл бұрын

Kevin your doing the right thing , best advise for deqlibg. Ith a friend who nay be in a abusive relation is dont push but be their be their for if they need to flee or talk to somone they have to come on their own terms and u need to not push too nuch or it make it harder for them to actualy do that their only dig their heels in when presured its hunab bature but beibg a friend who is just their when they need it is the best solution

That last story is full of so many red flags for that relationship.

Reading this story makes me wonder how the DM in the last story even got together with that giant manchild.

2nd Story: Honestly, most of the questions the players asked seemed tame and understandable, and while I understand being stressed, it seems like all player clarification questions are just being lumped together. There are rules for using skill+abilities outside standard parings literally as part of the basic rules. I think the most common example I've come across is Strength in place of Charisma when making intimidation checks. Just say use wisdom for intimidation and move on . That said I think this is more a mismatch of expectation between Player-DM, and, imo, more importantly DM-System. DnD 5e is designed in such a way that DM rulings are cornerstone of it. It is heavily edge cases in practice and a lot more fuzzy then high crunch systems where all rules questions have specific and referenceable direct answers. In reality jumping off a roof onto someone, the ground, a pile of rugs, and into water have different outcomes. 5e specifically gives basic rules for falling than relies on the DM to figure out how those rules apply to each situation if at all. My suggestion would be switching to a different system, Maybe a much more rules heavy or rules light system would be in order for that DM. As 5e is literally built for the opposite of what they want.

@TwighlightLugia

2 жыл бұрын

Hard agree to this. Honestly I kept getting more and more uncomfortable the longer that guy's rant went on. At least half of what he described were perfectly reasonable inquiries, and I was honestly rather irritated that half of this guy's grievances with their party seemed to stem from just... not wanting to actually be a DM. DMs have to make interpretations on rulings sometimes. That's just the fact of the matter. And this guy talked like it's the end of the world for him to bother to think critically during an *improv game.* I honestly think this person needs to just... not be a DM?

@celicynd

2 жыл бұрын

@@TwighlightLugia That's exactly how I felt. Like you said, half the inquiries were reasonable... But to literally get asked for a ruling as a DM on how something works to say "no, I'm not going to bother because wikidot is down"... perhaps you're just not the type of person who should DM?

@justinecourtneysgavel89

2 жыл бұрын

My favorite thing about DMing is being able to make these calls on the fly and compromising with players. If your ruling has consequences later on, you as a DM have the power to change it later on. I agree that the best solution for this DM is switching to a stricter, less open-ended system. From the examples given, it's hard to put a lot of blame upon the players.

@randomstuff403

Жыл бұрын

@@TwighlightLugia Yep exactly and threatening to end a game because you don't want to make a ruling yourself if you can't google up a ruling from someone else on the internet? No excuse for that.

I feel really bad for the dm in the last story, it sounds like her fiancé prevented her from playing in op’s campaign.

DMs that allow swapping of spells for legitimate reasons are great! When making my Tempest Cleric, I asked if I could take thunderclap as a cantrip for backstory reasons instead of sacred flame and my DM approved. I asked later if I could switch out control water and insect plague from the subclass spells for storm sphere and control winds which are similar enough but fit the subclass more thematically. If your DM is willing to work with you, it's good to actually have a reason for a change beyond "I want this spell because it's cool".

@shiggy4028

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree! As a DM, if you give me backstory- or roleplay-related reasons for your switch, then I think it would be awesome to go with

@LostFoundling

2 жыл бұрын

@@shiggy4028 The reason for thunderclap was that it caused an incident with her guild and she got sent to the clergy while it was dealt with. I wanted it to make sense for the subclass and an in universe reason and my DM approved!

@shiggy4028

2 жыл бұрын

@@LostFoundling That actually sounds really cool! :D I'm glad your DM was on board with this! I hope you still play and have lots of fun ^^

to the ID Horror Story, he could also do something i did prior, have Prestidigitation. by using it, you can "create a nonmagical trinket or an illusory image that can fit in your hand" i'd say a fake ID fits a "nonmagical trinket that can fit in your hand", and because you can summon it whenever, you can also change any aspect of it you wish on every summon an ID that has different information every time, leaving you completely untracable

@Arcticmaster1190

2 жыл бұрын

The first thing I was thinking of was Shadowrun- having your own ID or having been completely scrubbed out and having a bunch of fake IDs to do your work or just have a life outside of your work.

@annijaklamer

2 жыл бұрын

Issue would be that it only lasts for a turn, so the moment someone takes a closer look, it'll disappear

@kyriss12

2 жыл бұрын

Or he could just start yelling that he’s a sovereign citizen and doesn’t consent to the laws of this land. At least that might be amusing

@patdav56

2 жыл бұрын

@@annijaklamer well most of my DMs let me continue using my action to keep it active (and even still, it disappears at the *end* of the following turn otherwise, being up for roughly 9-10 seconds, which is usually enough for a 5e world that doesnt have actual official scanners like irl) Biggest issue comes in when we're trying to enter mage academy and they've got detect magic :P

@shadenox8164

2 жыл бұрын

@@annijaklamer I think most DMs would let you get away with having them last a little longer in social situations.

9:22 There actually IS. If you let the animated shield start floating around you, you can 2h a weapon just fine. Except, it’s VERY RARE. Trying to do it with other shields just break the game and remove value. Even the animated shield needs to be reactivated, so WAIT UNTIL YOU CAN GET IT!

Honestly if I was playing a rogue/assasin in story 2s campaign, I would embrace the multiple fake identities. I would go full Burn Notice with my character

@legomaniac213

2 жыл бұрын

Now would it me multiple different aliases, or just one alias (like, say, Chuck Finley) fitted into multiple roles

@unluckyone1655

2 жыл бұрын

@@legomaniac213 now that is a good question

@shadenox8164

2 жыл бұрын

@@legomaniac213 A new identity every session.

I might be reading too much into it, but I feel like The "That Guy" Fiance has a lot more going on than what we saw at the table and that fiance might be worth throwing out.

@KiraNightshade

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Massive red flags of potentially abusive behavior.

As someone who works someplace that pretty much *requires* 2 forms of ID to verify someone before doing any business on their behalf (for privacy and security reasons), Edgelord makes me cringe extra hard, due to my own experience having to try pry IDs from people IRL. It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely up in arms some people get about it, and I have to wonder if Edgelord is one of *those* people IRL too. Btw, my ‘favorite’ variation of *those* kinds of people are the “I’ve been doing business here for 30 years! How *dare* you ask for my ID, don’t you know who I am?!?” type, as I’m in my 20s and *clearly* wouldn’t have been working that entire time, due to not having been born yet.

@flaminyawn

2 жыл бұрын

I definitely got some Dale Gribble from "King of the Hill" vibes off that guy, but even Dale would be happy to present the ID from his "Rusty Shackleford" alias before going to the ridiculous lengths this guy went to so he could avoid using any form of ID whatsoever.

@shadenox8164

2 жыл бұрын

@@flaminyawn Hell he'd probably love using his fake ID to get one over the government. Also Carina I think the answer to that response you mentioned would be "If you have really been doing business here for over 30 years you should know how this whole thing is done by now and wouldn't have any issue doing so."

@hayvenforpeace

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I would never do business with such a place if there was any other option to get the services I needed. I’m a very private person and don’t agree with giving away that much information, unless it’s something security sensitive like a bank, DMV, etc. With that said, I wouldn’t raise a stink like that IRL. That’s immature. I’d simply politely leave.

@jojo-7306

Жыл бұрын

you'd think that after 30 years they'd figure out how things work and stop throwing a tantrum about it

@shadenox8164

Жыл бұрын

@@hayvenforpeace This is so they can do business on the person's behalf. So the security is warranted.

Dm feeling the Stress seems like he's not a very fun DM. He should take some time away from the game until he can actually play WITH his players and help them make some creative and inventive plays instead of trying to control them

Finally got my own little horror story! I asked to join a play by post game over discord. The DM asked that we specifically ask to play exotic races, and I have a tabaxi warlock I've been wanting to play. I asked, and they approve. All good. I picked up a cat-man adoptable from an art website and was wanting to use it as my character's reference. So, I send it to the DM for approval because he does have an unusual fur colouration and I thought it was best to ask first instead of just assuming. I step away from the computer and come back about ten minutes later to having been kicked from the group and a message from the DM saying: "this is DnD, not a yiff game. We don't need sexualised animals." One, the adopt has NO explicit nudity (ken doll nudity for marking ref, he looks like a tiger so has quite intricate stripes), and two, I'm... not even a furry?!

@johnoneil9188

2 жыл бұрын

Wait, what? If he was ok with you running as a tabaxi he got no ground to complain about. On the contrary, having such a detailed reference picture helps a lot!

@ezsoterica

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnoneil9188 Honestly, I have no clue! If he wasn't okay with anthropomorphic races, I had already told him I also had a tiefling character that was ready to go. Maybe they just bit off more than they could chew and wanted to down the numbers a bit, but I can only speculate.

@AtelierGod

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a DM who simply create groups to kill them off and waste the players time, especially if the player doesn’t know the rest of the group.

@ezsoterica

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely likely, as they gathered us up from a DnD subreddit post, so as far as I'm aware nobody knew each other beforehand.

@Kevinblue035

2 жыл бұрын

i'll never understand furry hate in the dnd community, y'all are roleplaying as elves and demon-girls and goblins, but suddenly it's a problem when someone wants to roll up to the table as a robin hood character.... come on martha (i mean, i could understand if someone was trying to talk about fetish stuff during a game, but i've heard stories about DMs who won't even allow tabaxi, dragonborn, or bugbears in their games because it's "furry shit")

That "Orcus's daughter" sounds like an annoying mix of edgelord and Mary Sue. I can't imagine that player/character being worth gaming with.

@MrCrunchytime

2 жыл бұрын

My response to the player's "suggestion" would be as follows; No, No, and Hell No, pun intended. They would absolutely start abusing these items as soon as the game started. Hypothetically, if I were to allow them, I would discard the player's conditions and set my own. Naturally, they would be informed of the change and that it's non-negotiable if they want to have them.

@iamaunicorn1232

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrCrunchytime I was thinking of that solution as well. You're going questing to get these items and their unlock conditions are set by me. XD

One of my players is an information broker in the massive slums of the city, (Think a much larger Kowloon Walled City) and nobody knows who he really is. He's a master of disguise, and had learned numerous languages, and is an excellent actor, so most of the time, the "agents" players and other NPC's that buy info from him are actually dealing with him without realizing. He gets to come up wth all these personas to use when he goes out, and his hideout is really difficult to even realize it's there. He and the other players have a fun time with it.

In a setting where everyone has that ID, one guy trying to hide his ID absolutely comes across as a criminal with something to hide

So, in the first story the DM makes a setting that allows the Assassin Rogue's level 9 feature to be very useful and the player just nopes out of the game...

The lesson from the ID story: Don't just move on when a player begrudgingly says "fine let's just move on." Talk with the player. Figure out what it is about these constraints that are interfering with his or her character concept. Don't move on until you can resolve the conflict. If they don't wanna communicate or compromise, then they aren't right for the table. If you move on without talking, they will act out, sulk, or just have a bad time and nobody wants that.

'It dosent say a swarm of rats cant be buffed' Most spells specify 'a creaure' and a swarm is actually multiple creatures. Same reasòn a druid cany wildshape into a swarm of rats. Wildshape says 'beast' and a swarm of rats is "beasts" plural

Gods the partner stories are always so Much. Been playing (mostly as DM) with my spouse of 3 years since before we were engaged and never had any issues come up (there was even a really sweet IC romance between them and another player). So many people that just should not be in a relationship, never mind something as, let's face it, emotionally taxing at times as D&D together

@TheMightyBattleSquid

2 жыл бұрын

Well, as has been said before, horror stories are the exception not the rule. Hence why people still play instead of throwing the whole hobby in the trash lol

The edgelord in the first story just wanted to be a murderhobo.

The DM in the second story sounds like he should probably just resort to being a player lol

Absolutely lost my shit at the delivery of "ultra mega ass". My new favorite insult.

"OP at Level 1"... Once, in 3.5, I wanted to build a goliath Fighter to take the Ancestral Relic feat, and I wanted to be sure he'd have just the masterwork weapon I wanted for it... a large falchion. So, I cooked up a backstory of his grandmother dying to save the village from a powerful enemy, and shattering her sword in the process. He now carried the shards of that sword around in a chest. He dreamed of the day he'd have enough weaponsmithing skill to repair the sword, and then it would become a powerful weapon that would basically "level up" with him. He called the sword Grandmother, in her honor. And it would end up actually containing the spirit of his grandmother once I'd made it sentient. But at level 1, his prized possession was this mechanically worthless thing that just took up a solid chunk of weight in his carrying capacity. I figured that was a small price to pay for the guarantee that I'd have just the weapon I wanted when I took the feat (and could take my Fighter bonus feats with that in mind). And I liked my character concept, too; it's a shame that campaign petered out after a couple of sessions.

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

That sounds epic. I hope some day to hear it gets done in another campaign.

Story #2: Honestly, I see both sides of this, and we kinda had this with one of our DMs: as a DM, I'm very much into rule of cool, homebrew and coming up with non-standard ways of doing things, but he wasn't. He preferred the rigidness of rules, it made his job easer. Can't blame him for it. He tried running Pathfinder 2e and instantly fell in love - we enjoy it a lot too! It's a great system, and is a lot more rigid and in-depth with the rules! Perfect for a DM that likes a strong rule base! Story #3: Ok, real talk, I don't think this is THAT bad. Hear me out - yeah, ok, daughter of Orcus is fuckin' edgy. And I really like OP's suggestion of needing the items to be re-enchanted, or performing some sort of ritual to restore them to their former glory. Could even look at Critical Role's vestiges for similar rules - each ritual unlocks more power in each item. And a player having clear ideas for what they'd want for their character feels like it'd be helpful to the DM! I understand the DM's trepidation in saying "What if he tries to "accidentally" use the item?" but, like, you're the DM. You can say no, lmao. As far as "RPG horror stories" go, this one was pretty tame.

7:46 As someone who is currently playing a Creation Bard, I do admit there is a lot of "ask your DM" stuff about the subclass. That being said, I try to be courteous and discuss these sort of questions out of game so that my DM isn't blindsided by an odd question. It's one of those subclasses that benefits from the player and the DM having a good rapport. I'm getting the vibe that OP in this story is the only DM in the group and he's experiencing a bad case of burnout, partially because his DMing style clashes with the player’s styles. Hell, avoiding burnout was one of the reasons why my old group always rotated our games and took turns DMing.

9:27 holding your action to attack with a trigger is also a 5e thing. 👀

@shadenox8164

2 жыл бұрын

Yep I remember in the Strahd campaign I couldn't attack an amber golem from the angle I was at but knew it would come crashing through the doorway, so I set up to fire a lightning bolt at it the second it did. Thing was weirdly agile as it dodged. But hey half damage is better than no damage.

Jesus that last story was pretty rough. Paladin was an absolute manchild, and I sincerely hope DM turned that fool into an ex-fiance and is doing ok.

As a DM and especially as a player, I *try* and make sure 'gray area' rule interpretation calls are done ahead of time if at all possible. I.E. the Echo Knight's echo. About 50% can be intercepted before they become a 'table call', the ones that are 'table calls' I make it clear it is the 'rule' for this session for further inspection later on if warranted/needed. No one is perfect, nor do I expect anyone to be so, so lets not kill the game by stopping it over minor stuff.

Sword and Broad, gladius in one hand and lady in the other. Probably a halfling or gnome to avoid too much encumbrance.

Honestly not only would I have embraced the ID system, I'd have wanted a couple identities to play with if possible.

"I don't want to be the father of the group" but "I want my PCs to be all good little boy scouts who enthusiastically play solely and only to the brief I give them." Not that I'm siding with the players there, if the OP is accurate they sound bad too, but yeah.

The I.D. story, I would have rolled with it, even using it as a roll playing tool.

as someone whose most common backgrounds are criminal or charlatan i was so confused why the assassin PC so against the fake IDs ive played with literal sheets of fake names to just rattle off going from shop to shop before leaving my character sheet name blank incase another player or the DM peeked at it over my shoulder

Intro: I mean, it's OP's character. The DM could revive him, but OP needs to agree to it for things not to be awkward. The Most Confusing Edgelord: I'm guessing Edge wanted to remain "anonymous" and "free from societal restraints." Problem is that he already agreed to the ID system of this campaign. Why he didn't just not join I have no idea. I think there's a mentality of "riding it out" to "fix" campaigns or such nonsense. DM is Feeling the Stress: As Crispy said, a conversation is needed. OP may need to learn how to improvise, the players are trying to be rules lawyers (the ones in Puffin's video on Rule Lawyers). And for the 3.5 stuff, I can try to explain. The buckler in 3.5 can indeed be used with a two-handed weapon (and two-wielding), but only gives a +1 ac and a -1 attack, something the players likely "forgot." It's not in 5e anyway, and the DM sounds like he's using RAW for the most part. The turn order I'm less certain of, since while you can delay your turn (move after someone else), that tends to be with party members and not a reaction. OP at Level 1: Sounds less "min-max" and more "OP buffs/stats." Yeah, starting with magic items that strong, and three no less (there's a reason a straight-up damage buff to spells is usually restrictive) is way too much. It's one thing to be on a quest to restore the magic of an item, it's another just for them to be easily unlocked. Him being that edgy doesn't help matters. The "That Guy" Fiance: Wow, he sound unpleasant to play with. People need to not play with those they can't kick. Don't play with loved ones if you can't prevent and/or stop favoring them either.

I don't think that this guy knows what Lawful Good means.😂

"Have a discussion after the fact and when it no longer matters" tell me you're a bad dm without TELLING me you'd a bad dm

Thank you for being there every time I drive crispy

I've been thinking about magical loot actually. I've been toiling with/for my DM over a set of Ultimate Magic Items for the party. I confess, some of it was because "I wanted cool thing" but it was also "Hey, why not let the whole party get cool thing?" We're playing Curse of Strahd which has a few specific powerful items and I figured "What the hey" and designed a set of homebrew magic items. Then I got annoyed with their design and redesigned them so that they were more balanced. Then I realized I accidentally increased the power level of the end game party and submitted a request one magic item get upgraded to another similar but more powerful item down the line. None of my design issues are core to this story, but its been an interesting ride. The DM and I are on the same wavelength that A: These are intended to be *end game* items, which means no one gets their unique artifact until we approach the end of the campaign. and B: The items are intended to be locked behind certain quests, exploration, or the completion of personal storylines. At least mine is, I love treasure but the powerful stuff has no value if it wasn't earned, yknow? I found that this is also how I DM really, I might give out a few average magic items but the output is generally medium-low because I want to give out "good" magic items, not tons of magic items.

So, about the ID story. There is a certain type of person who immediately upon hearing a base rule of your game will think "but what if... not?" And tbh I think it's a good story-telling instinct. But too much sugar spoils the soup, yaknow?

Cold open: awkward. Let a PC go out one a bitch if that's what the player wants! 1. Funny thing, creating a false identity with a paper trail is one of the assassin subclass's features. It's absolutely pointless because it takes a significant downtime investment and doesn't accomplish anything that expertise in deception, performance, and disguise kits wouldn't, but it's there. I guess the edgelord wanted to make it even more redundant than it already is? 2. I negotiate with my GM about rules for the sake of flavor all the time (between sessions, not during), and I think this player sounds obnoxious. 3. Interesting premise, and I kind of like the idea of starting with high- ends magic items you can't use until you reach a certain level, but... yeah, be careful not to cut yourself on all that edge. 4. The character might have been a paladin but the player was a barbarian.

Love the vids keep it up

So...an assassin, someone whos job requires them to blend in the vast majority of the time to avoid imprisonment and/or execution...wants to break the law in such a stupid way? Even ignoring that, the ability to move around without issue is basic for assassins. Hell, even THIEVES would want to have IDs! Thats so fucking stupid I dont even know where to start, even ignoring the utter insanity that is objecting that heavily to something so minor.

Fake ID Rogue is immediately more amusing when the voice for him in your head is Dale Gribble. "Name?" Rogue: Shackleford. Rusty Shackleford.

I hope rhe dm in the last story is ok. Her jerk paladin fiance sounded abusive. It is quite possible she ended the game because she knew she couldn't control him and it was easier than getting the others upset. That is how abusers isolate people

Yeah, stressed DM doesn’t want to play D&D. They want a more rules-heavy system.

When libertarians take their anti-government hysteria about how IDs = tyranny into a make-believe game... And that dude who just dug for nitpicking edge cases to be pedantic about sounded so familiar I thought I might know OP for a minute there...

@istvanbrooks5319

2 жыл бұрын

Oi, no politics

Had the issue with an ID for my Charakter aswell. Needed a Libarycard, but my Guy couldn't be bothered and sweettalked the clerk into using his sister's card for the loans instead xD

5:56 you have no ID ? I guess you couldn't play in that game either

It's pretty much a staple in my playgroup for everyone to be walking around with fake ID, backstory, and adventurer names.

TYpically, its the edge cases that *need* rulings on... if its not an edge case, likely (not always!) its covered in some way.

Don't snap at the healer!

Idea of magic items that player already have but doesn't know about this is cool until: Nobody uses detect magic, player doesnt know about them and they are "asleep" so they cannot be detected or accidentaly used. (last one deletes first problem)

dont snap at the healer

holding your action to force concentration checks should be okay, but they can just move away one space, take the opportunity attack, then cast their spell, rendering the plan no more useful than just attacking. Even less useful if they have extra attacks.

As a fellow Circle of Spores player, we don't claim that guy

The only time I argued a case during combat was if I was allowed to use the Hellish Rebuke reaction from being thrown in a fire pit. Because we were all reasonable people DM asked my reasoning. I said it in one or two sentences. They agreed. I took my action. XD we've also had plenty of discussions like "would this thing work?" and a few "can we please disregard this rule?" but we never have prolonged arguments. We dealt with that too much at the college we all went to. XD

If a player of mine wanted to start with ONE singular magical item that their character doesn't know how works and couldn't use until they discover its secrets, I would most likely allow it under the explicit condition that such a discovery will ONLY occur in a situation where they could have otherwise received that item as loot. No amount of independent research or accidental fiddling around by their character will unlock the powers of the item until I say it is time. Functionally speaking, the item wouldn't even really be magic until the power awakens. If a player wanted THREE such items though, I would tell them bluntly to pick one to start with and I'll consider allowing them to acquire the others later in some narratively appropriate manner. Maybe even allow them to have previously owned the extra items, but they got stolen by bandits prior to the campaign, allowing me to work the recovery into a dramatic encounter.

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

Definitely have them start with just one, if that many. One thing that came to mind about "couldn't use until they discover it's secrets" would be to give them the magic item under the condition that only you as the DM knew what the secret to using it was. And then make them up yourself without the player knowing so they can't "accidently" figure it out. Research could be handled as part of the loot for a quest. The quest giver knows something, a part of the secret not all of it, and will tell the player if the player helps the party fulfill the quest in full. That could keep the player a little more interested in actually participating instead of going off on their own.

Don't snap at the healer.

Story 2 reminded me of a player I had. Definitely another case of mild annoyance, but still, not fun. He was brand new to the game and any time I stated the rules of the game that restrict him on something, such as offhand attacks only adding 1 attack as a bonus action on your turn rather than 2x the amount you already have (he was a fighter who dual-wielded scimitars. Cool fun concept, I love fighters and dual-wielding is real fuckin cool) and he argues by insinuating, because he read the fighter section of the PHB, that i was not only wrong, but he knew more about the game's rules than me. Now, I haven't memorized 100% of the rules, but I've DM'ed for 5 years and really studied them as best I can. I know how offhand attacks work. Now, new players learning the rules is great, and it's no problem if they think they know a thing and are wrong, that's 100% okay, what ISN'T okay is reading a couple pages of a class in PHB and then getting all arrogant, saying you know the whole entire game better than the experienced DM.

Better way of saying don't snap at the healer? "DON'T. FUCK. WITH THE WHITE MAGE!" -Dende

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

And then he died.

2nd story: basically 5etools solo

Don't snap at the healer

Personally I would allow mary sue tiefling with the express understanding that if he tries to use it without permission the character dies instantly from a tumor she didnt know she had Also that first game probably ended because the dm read chp 3 and realized that is a rough module

Don’t snap at the Healer

As someone who played during the 1st and 2e AD&D era, I understand the Lawful Good part. But back then, Paladins were supposed to be chivalrous knights, based on an idealized version of the medieval monastic orders. So they disdained all worldly possessions besides the equipment they needed, having to tithe and eventually donate *everything* to their temple. They also protected the weak and the innocent, and always went first into combat, willing to sacrifice themselves for the protection of the party. As well, good means being merciful and not wanting to take life or cause pain unnecessarily, although destroying evil was fine. If this guy wanted to play an old school paladin, he should act like one. OOC the way he treated his fiancee, fellow players, and the game was inexcusable, but that has been pointed out by others.

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

I used to love DM'ing paladins back then. Even if an INT and WIS 2 creature could clearly see it was a trap, they would still walk right in to save the innocent hostage.

Don't Snap At the Healer!

About the first story, I'm gonna be honest. The ID thing is kind of stupid. The idea that every single person from any of the extremely disparate backstories, cultures, places, etc. would have a standardized, universal piece of paper that tells anyone from anywhere who they are is pretty dumb. But the DM told him that this was a thing in the world and even gave him a lot of options to stay untraceable within that system. That's on our Rogue for not getting with the program.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

We don't really know how many cultures are in this setting, and I'm guessing the fantasy aspects would explain the IDs.

@zerothehero6100

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcCaravan There are different states within America that have their own, incompatible systems of IDs. Oftentime, there's a distinction between that and federal ID systems too. This is all just within a single country. Magic does not make everyone cooperate suddenly.

Edgelord is typical SovCit

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Does 5e not have rules that some buffs are self-only and swarms can't be targeted by things that target a specific number of creatures, only AOEs?

The ID story: yeah, casual edgy hell, not much more to expect? At the very least he got up and left by himself at the end. Dm Complains about Ruling: this one just sounds like, well, complaining. The dude either needs to play a far more rule heavy system (aka not DnD) or to take a few improv classes and work on his mental state a bit. A lot of questions were rather easy to think of, 3 or 4 seconds at maximum for 90% of them, and the few that weren't could easily be solved on the side after a minute of chatting or so. There were one or two, I'll admit, that were just horrible, but otherwise OP just needs to git gud lol. Level 1 God: oh please god no. Minmaxxers arent the worst, nor are people that want magic items early on, hell I find them kinda fun when challenging my DMing on a bigger scale, or when I'm in a party with them and a cool DM. But this? This is heathenry, first and foremost heathenry, no such items can turn out so well in either short or long term. That Guy Fiance: ah yes, more terrible terrible people, doing terrible terrible things. Of course, all things are hell when a fiance turns out to be the biggest creepwad outside of the circle of lust.

@lynxk9372

2 жыл бұрын

Git good dm Same thoughts about story 2

Why is it whenever these DNDHorror stories start, it begins with “I was DMing 5th Ed”?

@Vulpix298

Жыл бұрын

...because 5th edition is the current edition and most popular one being played. more people = more experiences.

honestly if someone started showing me favoritism i would be... a little miffed? i dont need favoritism, especially when my favorite part is roleplay, and hardships can help with that! hell, my first character was made as a support for others (still love my stupid lil nerd dragonborn) and my second? im still working on him, but hes just a rework of an oc of mine, and the only "special" thing i asked for was if i could have him be a half-kenku, half-elf (again, for roleplay reasons, since the original character he was made from was a crow demon). and i felt bad for even asking for THAT.

After 10 years of DMing, I've found the ID thing only really works in a sci-fi setting in authoritarian regimes, in a fantasy setting it can be done but you will run into problems a lot, such as "how does this guard 100miles away from where I got my ID know if my ID is real?" Case and point the DM was willing to give the player a fake one to use so clearly there are people who can make fake ones that pass the grade and fool guards. I think the DM missed the point that the player wanted to buck the ID system in the world to try and be unique, additionally in the real world we already have to do this to some extent in every country world wide "Papers please" is a real thing even in the US to an extent, it comes off gimmicky in a fantasy setting, hell I was asked if something similar existed in one of my 5e campaigns and laughed it off with a "Hell no!", it's pointless in a fantasy world especially with forgery kits being a thing. There is no way to ensure they are real to make it seem possible unless every ID is enchanted uniquely to that person and every authority figure has a magically enchanted item to detect the ID's enchantment, and at that point the bigger question is how the fantasy economy can possibly support this system, it could work but in my mind only if the fight between good and evil already happened and good lost, the evil overlords have this system in place to control the population and magic users are forced to create these enchanted ID's or the bureaucratic apparatus is so vast it's the equivalent of a 21st century government bureau. We play fantasy games to escape reality not pretend we are in a medieval version of our Statist world. In closing while no one can tell a DM how to run their worlds, the world should at least make sense and be internally logically consistent. No bad ideas, not a bad DM, not a bad player, just a bad combo of DM world style and Player character style choices.

My game might be a little unbalanced because when my Players ask me if they can do something out of the standard rules (like taking a spell from another spell list because it would fit) I usually allow it. It works at my table because I play with close friends that are chill and we talk to each other when something feels unfair. Additionally, my games are designed to be less strict about the rules as long as it results in fun roleplay and encounters. My player once asked if they could use thaumaturgy to inspire two people instead of one as a bard (effectively only spending one bardic inspiration), and I thought it was a really cool and creative idea! I don't allow everything of course and if there is something powerful they want (adopting a Zombie dog) they will have to accept some consequences (the dog can turn against them when it takes damage, and in rare cases even turn other people into Zombies that the party will have to fight). Yes, the zombie dog is a thing in my current campaign XD

@shiggy4028

2 жыл бұрын

I also have to add, that I do understand the Stressed DM's feelings at least a little bit xD I created a homebrew world that is flying and even before Session 1, the players were talking about what would happen if you shove someone over the edge. I should have expected this, to be fair, and it was quite a fun conversation XD Also, Players will always try to take advantage of your rulings or try to find a way to gain an advantage that might not exactly be by the book or in-character but if you have great players, it stays at that: trying and seeing what the DM rules. In most of those instances, my players joke about it rather than making it an earnest question anyway.

Orcus having a son is rich. XD

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a daughter. I may have been mistaken.

Just a tip, subsequent is SUBsequent, not subSEquent.

12:20 - I agree that it's a part of the DM's role to make edge case rulings, but I think that's not at all the same as what the OP described in his story. There's a difference between a player occasionally asking about the specifics of a contextual aspect of something they are doing just so they have a better understanding, and then there's players constantly looking for win button loopholes and transferred gotcha moments (but if I can do x with y, like you said before, surely that means I can reverse the polarity and endless gold flies out of my ass, right?), In effect they are intentionally compromising the story flow and suspension of belief to tediously pick crumbs of the floor in the hope that eventually they'll be able to make a cake out of them, if they find enough. Imagine the Kung Fu training fight scene of The Matrix (kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJymsMmResLFnps.html), but instead of Neo being stunning into silence at Morpheus's reiteration of a basic principle of the Matrix with the coolly delivered line, "... you think that's air you're breathing?", Neo instead responds with, okay, so if I'm not actually breathing air because this is all virtual, but I feel like I am breathing air, can I fake breath more virtual air and make myself grow, like puff up in size? Some fish do that, right, so I should be able to do it too? And could I burp it out again and make like a little tornado to knock my enemies off their feet for a bit so I smack them with Kung Fu while they are down? What happens if I breath fake air and ... At that point Morpheus would interrupt Neo to excuse himself for a 'bathroom break', log out of the training Matrix walk over and yank Neo's interface jack out and tell the crew to dump his body out the door so they can keep looking for 'The One'. The problem with edge case rulings is that they have to be asked and answered in good faith, as the part of the social compact of playing the game, as in; we are all here to have fun and share an adventure in a mutually imagined world. What this OP is describing is players acting in bad faith (though it's possible that some, or all of them, might not actually realise they are behaving contra wise to the spirit of role playing). If you drill down far enough things are always going to get pretty hazy, because it's fantasy, that's kind of the point. Dragons don't exist and magic isn't real and it's unreasonable to expect a GM to somehow manage a perfect connection between the infinite variables of the real world and the even more infinite variables of imagined worlds. What the players are doing in this story is the opposite of rule lawyering, which is also not good as it creates the same problem at both ends of the scale, which is that it is players interrupting the flow of play for an imagined advantage. They are effectively forcing the DM to be a constant rule lawyer, except for rules that don't exist, with they hope that they can force a mistake that they can 'legitimately' exploit for their advantage.

The fiance sounds like a classic Narc. Hope she dumped him before he entrapped her.

Lmao “ultra mega ass”

15:36 maybe is my personal opinion but giving loot like candies can make it feel worthles. Like if your players find new items every time than what's the point of keeping it. I think that magical items should be very rare but also very suefull

Where is a good place to get started with D & D

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My solution for edgy characters not wanting to share a name is to call them FluffKid McQuishbottom or similar until they provide a better alternative

Isn't Orcus' thing, aside from being a lazy bum, a general dislike of life? I just don't see him as being the offspring type, since that would mean adding to something that he is not that big a fan of.

To be fair, Intimidation not having the option to scale with STR is stupid. You are this 7 feet tall Goliath Berserker and you can't make a peasant scared, because you have 6 Charistma is beyond silly.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

That is actually an option in the 5e rulebook, mixing stats and skills to fit the story. Unfortunately most players, DMs, and maybe even creators forget that.

And this is why you shouldnt be with someone who would do this stuff.

comment for engagement

@davidtherwhanger6795

Жыл бұрын

Captain Picard: "Engage!"

I think the DM in the DM feeling the Stress story sounds like a boring railroader honestly compleat lack of self awareness. And just saying in story 3 the dude specifically said the items can’t activate by accident.

@ArcCaravan

Жыл бұрын

The stressed DM sounded less like a railroader and more like a rules lawyer.

Second dude just sounds like he hates the position of being a DM. Ruling/deciding how spells interact or what a spells limits are when the book description is vague. Like that's the whole game unless you're trying to run straight rules as written and railroad the party through a prewritten campaign. I understand how begging or whining about the game breaking requests they are definitely trying to cheese the dm and after being talked to if continued I'd straight up ignore them. But yeah sounds like text book lazy dm.