Thom, to be sure, another great video, yes! People sometimes ask me "why are we still discussing and doing detective work on what hapoened to Mallory and Irvine's climb nearly 80 years ago?!" I like to answer - in the way that honors the man and his legacy - in the following way: "Because it is there."

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely, thank you!

@dukecraig2402

7 ай бұрын

Actually the odds are Mallory never said that, the only source for him having said it was a New York reporter, of that era, need I say more?

Best podcast on the web. I love watching these. Thom, keep up the good work. Too bad the world doesn't have more folks like you. God bless.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Steve, truly honored to hear such words...I really appreciate it. If only I had a bit more time in the day to crank a few more out! (I'm on it anyway!) Thank you

Thanks Thom, as always very interesting. As we know Conrad Anker and Leo Houlding climbed the second step without a ladder so I don’t see why Mallory couldn’t have done it. He obviously had the skill. It’s so fascinating to speculate what happened and which route they might’ve taken, such a mystery.

@RedSox4JC

Жыл бұрын

I believe that M&I went up the 2nd step, but the difference between when Anker did it versus when M&I did it is that Anker knew what to expect and prepare for. But for M&I, they just came upon it for the first time. I do believe Odell's testimony that he saw them, but he may have just seen them as they climbed it. Who knows how long it took for them to scout out the best method it get to the top. This along with other circumstances is why I believe hindered from making it to the summit and why they were so delayed.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

It's a fascinating mystery! Sounds like you have caught the bug. Thank you for watching

Thom!! This was such a great video. I would be fascinated to hear a fuller interview with Ajay. I have said before that in my heart they made the summit, but regardless, this is a mystery we can all share in....thanks for shedding more light on it.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Brendan, I have more with Ajay....it took me some time to get this one together so I decided to use just the radical plan. I have more on departure times and more on those lines....will get to them and release asap! Thank you!

I stopped this a few times to gasp at the photography. Great video Thom, thx 😊

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Kevin, thank you, it's much appreciated!

Thom..excellent video...nice extra knowledge nuggets and interview from Ajay..I love all these investigators supplying additional info........keep the videos coming!!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Scott, thank you! I'm working on some good ones....and, back to that other mountain I've been talking about, I have an update from there (did the interview today). Cheers and thanks again

Let me get this straight. This hypothesis asserts that Mallory and Irvine climb to the second step with O2 bottles and sleeping bags with the intention of using the sleeping bags to potentially bivouac on the northeast ridge? Irvine helps Mallory ascend the second step and then waits six or more hours while Mallory goes to the summit alone? And what evidence is there of the rope between M and I having been cut twice? If they were prepared to bivouac why did they perish returning to camp VI? We've found an ice axe, oxygen bottles, and Mallory's body still roped in - but we haven't ever found sleeping bags or any rope on the second step. I don't know, just doesn't seem to have a great deal of supporting evidence.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Ajay is a thorough researcher, as is his research partner Philip Summers. Essentially, every single person who has ever come to a conclusion about M&I is taking a shot and connecting dots with whatever gut intuition and reason they can muster. There is not a soul out there who can make a conclusion without building a case by adding theories on top of the few facts that exist. I find the article fascinating and felt it was worth bringing to the channel for consideration. Cheers and thank you for watching!

Stellar video! Ajay has some very good points....great video!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thank you!

Very exciting information!!! Thanks so much for this interview ☺️

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Deb, good to hear from you!

Great video Thom. Thanks for sharing

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Paul, super glad that you enjoyed it!

Thank you Thom for your fascinating videos!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Truly appreciate it, thank you!

Thank you!! I like the analysis provided.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Sam, really glad you enjoyed it!

Very interesting video!

@EverestMystery

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching and thank you for supporting the channel!

Thanks for sharing Thom. I think he could have climbed the second step. It sounds like it’s not impossible, and I think they were more willing to take bigger risks than today’s climbers. Wouldn’t you be willing to take a bigger gamble if you were attempting to be the first?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

For sure, Kevin...honestly, I still think the Great Couloir was an almost obvious option. But, Norton got hammered in the couloir, and Mallory had to have been moved by the report. They spent a night in a tent together, talking it all through. Lots can happen when presented with the odds, which didn't look good for the now-called Norton Couloir. Cheers my friend, always great having you here!

@bolshoefeodor6536

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery I suspect that is NOT what Norton told.Mallory. Almost all of what Mallory is describing is the couloir itself, not the rock bands above it. Messner soloed the Couloir. An Australian team climbed the rock bands, at moderate difficulty, no? The rock bands have solid footing, are snow-free, and yield more readily to hobnail boots than the sketchy snow conditions in the Couloir. I stress Norton spoke of the Couloir. Not the shelves above it. Also, Norton was alone, unroped, without oxygen. Mallory was going roped, with oxygen. It is possible they took the second step. It is also possible they took a long traverse at and punched through the rockband in a few key breaks. A retracing expedition to that specific route with a view to Mallory's thinking, would be a great route, and would reveal a lot. Maybe even two sleeping bags in a rock crevice awaiting their return!

Great content and cool telecaster!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

It's a go-to axe that is for sure! Thanks for watching, super pleased that you enjoyed it!

Listening to this interview, I was really taken with the fact that Mallory and Irvine were equipped with sleeping bags. It's possible Irvine tried to tough it out after Mallory fell. You wouldn't attempt this in the open so perhaps the body of Irvine is in some obscure small hole in the rock formation. This would make it incredibly hard to find his body.

@EverestMystery

3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for watching, much appreciated. Here is a recent interview I did that might fascinate you about the whereabouts of Sandy Irvine: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hXiWtLSOYbyzfNo.html

Bottom line,, who knows? That is what is so beautiful about this mystery! We don’t know and probably never will! Love your work, Thom. Such a fascinating mystery.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Jeff, thanks so much! I agree that it's likely we'll never know....and, at the same time, life needs a good mystery! If only, however, to bring Sandy's whereabouts to his family. Thanks for watching!

@nicknolte6420

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery Chinese knows exactly Sandy's whereabouts, perhaps also the serpas who every year climb the North side to the summit must know .Somebody(chinese) must open his mouth and start reveil the whereabouts of irvine body.The only explanation of why the chinese keep secret is that Irvine had evidence of successful summit..

Thanks for another tangent into the story that makes us wonder even though we can never know the true ending of the story.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

I'll continue to do deep investigations into the mystery. Just did an interview yesterday with a prominent British mountaineer who shared his thoughts on M&I....fun, as he is a true historian of the early British expeditions.

your passion is commendable .

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Mark Synnott called that passion an 'obsession', even put it in the title of his book lol! Always good to have you here!

@lifesahobby

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery there's something yet undiscovered in the high mountain air . Marco polo discussed this in his book . He was sick with an unknown ailment and the local people suggested he get up high out of the dust .. But I think it relates to pressure and a molecular type of oxygen and nitrogen and dust . It's a natural place of repair for the body . In olden times when you had a sick child it was a treatment to get them up high . Even aircraft were used . Scare the shit out of the ailment . I would even suggest it's easier, just get on a bike , ailments cannot cycle bikes . Therefore you can lose them easily . Perhaps they cannot climb either.

Thanks for sharing Thom, I liked the intro!😄 I like Ajays thoughts and ideas in this, good stuff. Is it true the rope was cut twice, how do we know? It certainly makes it interesting if true. But I thought there were no rocks on top the second step for tying a rope off? I think Jake said this too. I definitly think they attempted the ridge in some way, as the second step was still an unknown for Mallory and the climbers, I think he thought he could get past it via a ledge or chimney like the 33 team attempted. Have read the 1921 recon expedition book and also Assault on Everest 1922. Now am going through Climbing Everest the complete writings of George Mallory. It's consistent all the way from 21 that he wanted to go up the north ridge and then up to the NE ridge from above the shoulder. I haven't seen any writing of him talking about the couloir as a route, that one to me looks to be Norton and Somervilles idea and preference. Finch was aiming for the NE ridge from above the shoulder as well.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Carl, thank you....truly, I almost ashamedly admit that I don't know about the rope being cut once or twice. My gut is that Jake will have some intel on this. You're to be commended on reading all of GLM's writings....I've always had a hard time staying interested with his writings, it feels laborious. However, I think I really should pick his writings back up again. Bye the bye, I typically feel that Jake is spot on in his analysis... Keep me posted on your research!

@ajaydandekar1069

Жыл бұрын

Hi there are Rick possibilities. We self and Philip Summers think that they reached the base of the Second Step earlier than we normally think.

@ajaydandekar1069

Жыл бұрын

Rock possibilities

Hey Thom, as always, great video and information!! I have a question. If you take where Mallory was found, and based only on that, would it make more sense that M&I took the Ridge or the Coloir? Or does that piece of information by itself make it inconclusive as to which route they took?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, the location of Mallory can't really point to which route they took. I have always believed they took the ridge route, but feel that the idea of them using the couloir is as solid as anything, so wouldn't doubt if they used that route. It's always good to have you here, I appreciate it. Thanks!

Those guys were just something else. Wow beautiful scenery in the intro.

@EverestMystery

4 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching - much appreciated

@user-bq8qm6pz3v

4 ай бұрын

@@EverestMystery you'll be at that sub target way before the deadline 💚

Great content

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it, thank you so much!

First thank you for replying to my comment! So I'm sure you have already thought about this, what if you determined the length of rope prior to barking found around George Mallory. Determined ruffly where he fell from or most likely the place then using the other part of broken rope length and possibly the fall area most likely Sandy would have come to his tragic end? I also wanted to comment on what you mentioned prior about the Chinese and a strong chance they removed Sandy. After rewatching your video and more importantly setting aside my Western ideology I was able to understand and accept what you said as a high likelihood for Sandy whereabouts. Thanks again for all your time and knowledge freely shared on your channel!!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Todd, thanks so much. One thing that I deeply regret is not currently having absolute intel on the length of the rope and if it was, in fact, cut once or twice. I will say, however, that as there was a length of rope leading from GLM it always seemed to me that if anyone cut the rope it was Sandy. I appreciate your insight and curiosity. Thanks, as always!

Idk if anyone can answer this but were the boots Sandy Irvine had on, the boots George Mallory was found with in 1999? I was just looking at their boots at 2:02 and the boots Irvine had on, look like the boots that were found on Mallory? Or am I just being mixed up?

You're analysis is interesting in that it directly contradicts what Mallory told the expedition Photographer, John Noel. Why do you think that Mallory would mislead his own photographer?

Interesting vid as always Thom. Whatever happened to Micheal Tracy by the way, has he disappeared off the face of the earth too?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Phil, thank you! I would imagine he is putting together another spotless analysis...and will unleash it sooner or later. As always thank you for watching!

Very interesting stuff. The closest I ever came to Mt. Everest was spending a year in Korea, but I love reading and watching videos about it. When are you going to play that guitar for us?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks....ah, the axe...perhaps I'll do something for my next video, which is coming very soon! Thanks for the interest!

I’ve seen it written that Mallory and Irvine camped at 8170 metres, but I’ve read some camp at 8300 metres on the north face. Should Mallory and Irvine have camped higher to shorten the summit attempt?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

The Chinese did it in 1960 and thoughts are that it helped them....it's a great question to ponder! Thank you for watching!

May I ask for clarity: is the suggestion that Mallory believed the ridge route offered an easier route to the summit than the rockbands near the couloir? Do we have any indication that Mallory had a good idea of what the ridge route entailed?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

It's a theory. Any knowledge of the ridge route would be garnered the way the couloir route was...by having a good look at it. Hard to say which way he went. Thank you for watching!

It is pretty interesting thesis Thom. I ,like everyone else eating any new information about M&I . I will still looking for new information and fascination with this mystery never cease. But I do believe Irvin body is removed from the mountain and we will never know an answer. There's no way Irvin could have summited, I believe Mallory could have but I don't think he did, I just think it was a bridge too far but who knows, humans are capable of miracles .

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. I agree with you on all points....especially the last, that humans are capable of (almost) unimaginable feats. So, I'm always holding out hope that they made it to the top, at least one of them. Thank you for watching!

So let's assume they decide to try the ridge route and when they get to the second step, find it too difficult. I've never been there, but at the base of the second step, is there a way to go over towards the Norton Couloir, or is it completely shut off from that point?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Sure, I would think that retracing steps and moving to the couloir route would be a possibility....at the same time, valuable time would have been lost.... Thanks so much for the question, it's a good one to consider!

@fergalohearga9594

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery What I am wondering is if there is a way to the couloir route from the base of the second step without having to retrace …

@WellyCoaster

Жыл бұрын

@@fergalohearga9594 There's a cliff band below the second step that stopped the 1933 team from climbing up to the base of the second step. If its possible it sounds rather difficult, perhaps a place for an accident? Jake Norton has a good satellite photo that shows the cliff band.

Thom were you involved with the 2004 EverestNews search? Why is there virtually no information about it

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Danny I wasn't involved....however, I have a ton of info about it....endeavoring to compile a story about it in 2023. Cheers!

Paused at 3:08 and still watching, but wanted to comment. Why are we still talking about the second step... Mallory wrote multiple letters and notes that still exist stating things like "the way to the summit does not lie across the entirety of any of the mountains colossal ridges". He also States that they could not encounter any obstacles that would force them into gymnastics struggles essentially exhausting themselves. He also wrote more and Michael Tracy covers all of it in his videos. It is very clear they did not take a ridge route and they did not climb the second step so let's stop talking about it.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

You may be correct. However, the route they took is not clear at all. A letter written in the years before actually setting foot on the mountain become moot. In addition, Norton and Somervell got hammered in the couloir, lucky to have survived. After their defeat Norton spent a night in high camp with Mallory. Surely, their conversation would have covered the deep snow, woeful footing, dreadful exposure. No matter the spin of the conspiracy channel of which you speak, the ridge route must always be considered as a viable option for M&I in the final hours before their attempt on 8 June. A last thought is that in successive years after 1924 the Brits went to the couloir and failed every single time. I personally give Mallory far more credit than the thought he'd so easily consider hitting himself over the head with the same hammer that almost killed Norton. I can't cast doubt or shadows on either possibility. For anyone to publish a video or paper essentially ruling one out over the other is irresponsible and does nothing to further the conversation. All that said I'm SUPER happy you took the time to watch and really glad you're here. Personally, I lean toward them taking the couloir. But, the ridge....49% chance they took that. Cheers

I visit your videos occasionally as a counterpoint to Michael Tracy's perspective. Everytime I come away with the same conclusion: your analysis is far fetched both from an evidentiary perspective and a common sense perspective. You would have us believe that Mallory would veer off a thoroughly scoped

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Of course, those who pray at that altar are rarely swayed by any sense of imagination that some other scenario might have taken place. Have you also seen in the numerous videos that I've done that I without fail say that it is my gut that they took the couloir, but one must consider the other possible options? Course not....

A man that either makes it or fails is the same man.

Would you be willing to talk about mountain Psychosis and the hallucinations of people helping them up the mountain who turned out to be hallucinations

@ryans2848

Жыл бұрын

Kinda spooky/ cool 🎃 highly interesting

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

That is a very good idea....THANK YOU. There are many instances of a 'friend' or presence helping or assisting one to safety. Love this idea!

@ryans2848

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery awesome!

I'm not saying this is not an interesting narrative... BUT I think this theory (I also read the articles) is lacking sources so severly that it must be considered to be mere speculation. I'm honestly a bit surprised a professional historian engages in this kind heavy of speculation. Don't get me wrong: I apreciate the content you are creating, but coming from a background in academic research I tend to prefer therories that are build on a bit more of data/studying of primary sources.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Fair but I’m no historian. I leave the history element to my interview subjects. My interview with Ajay Dandekar in the video linked in the comments is far from speculation. In fact, I feel the theories pointing to the other route are the speculators. Ajay builds a STRONG case for this idea of them taking the Second Step. This is documented and based on real events. If you’re speaking about the Chinese having found Irvine’s body, I’m 100% convinced he was encountered numerous times. Again, I’m no historian and have never claimed to be. I shine light on the work of those who are. Cheers my friend and thank you for being here. Best regards, ~Thom

@michaelg.3351

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery First of all: thanks for the response! There was no offence intended from my side. My surprise related more to Dr. Dandekars theory (who if I understand it correctly is a professional historian) as I think that from the sources we really know very little about the content of the conversation Mallory and Norton had after Nortons summit attempt. Also in the expedition report Norton seems to suggest that it was more the combination lack of time and a climbing partner on the demanding terrain that made him turn around (a very wise decision) than the dificulty of the terrain alone. Thus, I'm not so sure why having a conversation with him after his attempt would be that well suited to dissuade one from trying his route with O2 and a climbing partner after he had come remarkably close to the summit alone (for the later part of his climb) and without O2. Also - as far as I know - there is no diary entry or something of that kind from Mallory or Norton that would suggest, that the conversation led Mallory to change plans. But still there is of course a lot we don't really know.

Some reasons for Mallory sticking with the couloir route: A.Because Mallory had oxygen. B. Because Mallory (presumably) still had a partner to belay him. C. Because Malory was a more technically skilled climber than Norton. D. Because Mallory said avoiding time consuming strenuous obstacles like the 2nd Step was essential to any chance at success. But few claim to "absolutely know".

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

You very well could be correct. In choice B, though, there were no pitons or snow pickets that I know of that would have been necessary for a belay anchor.....yes, perhaps a boot-axe belay....but, if someone falls, then two people die instead of one. On the final comment, there has been plenty of vitriol and anger from individuals who take personal umbrage at any questioning about the couloir route... This channel isn't tolerant of that vitriol, so at least here it's unseen. Cheers and thanks for watching the video, truly appreciate it!

Also, a comment: I am having a hard time believing Mallory would risk subjecting himself and Irvine to the kinds of high-altitude acrobatics (weighed down with sleeping abgs and extra O2 bottles) described by your guest. Surely Mallory would assess that as WAY more difficult and high-risk climbing than what Norton described for the Couloir, climbing alone, unroped and sans O2. Mallory would surely have known these were massive difficulty multipliers for Norton. Would he truly have risked the second step? Maybe? Men do strange and crazy things under pressure. But if so, it seems a fool's errand to apply rational methods to determine irrational actions? Peace to all, and goodwill!

@bolshoefeodor6536

Жыл бұрын

As an addendum, what would a retreat from the second step, and then attempting to traverse below it toward the couloir, but srarching for an easier break in the rock bands near the couloir, entailed?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Very good analysis. That Norton had just been hammered by waist deep snow covering very risky footholds, I would personally have thought the couloir nigh impossible....and then would have looked up to the ridge and thought perhaps anything but the couloir. So glad you watched and took the time to comment. Thank you!

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

It would have added an incredible amount of time had they done that....and is a possible scenario. Best would have been to retreat altogether, which is what I've always felt happened. Thanks!

I don't see them taking a sleeping bag. Not when carrying oxygen. AJ's point that Mallory is an excellent rock climber is true also. However Mallory himself ruled out the ridge route in a letter (I can't remember if it was to Odell or Norton). I think that they bypassed the 2nd step 100% and they were definitely sighted on the snowfield to the right of the third step. It'll all come out in the wash one day.

@ajaydandekar1069

Жыл бұрын

Hi will put out Philip Summers theory on this. Thanks.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

If Mallory had written 100 letters saying the Great Couloir, it wouldn't have mattered. On the night of 6 June Mallory shared a tent with Norton and learned of the utter failure of Norton's doomed attempt. Norton had just been completely stymied by the enormity of the couloir and the horrendous conditions, heavy snow being one of them. It was a death trap. Mallory did the right thing, went the ridge route. Further, in the early Chinese expeditions they reported having found a body in a sleeping bag, face up, blackened at 8,200 meters. This information provided by Ajay isn't conjecture, it's based on solid research. Ajay and Philip Summers have changed the game and it's truly awesome! Cheers and thank you so much for watching and for pitching in. Keep your thoughts coming!

@kippamip

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery really o never heard that before. Did the Chinese take any photos I guess is the question.

I’m really starting to think that andrews body went down the rongbuk glacier and is destroyed or covered by 10s or even 100s of meters of ice and snow

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Going back decades, my mentor Bradford Washburn had always maintained that was a very possible theory!

@eagerestcrab2030

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery is there somewhere we can find data on the search zones over the least 20 odd years?

@kevins341

Жыл бұрын

@@eagerestcrab2030 Jake Norton has a lot of that stuff on his website. You should check it out.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

@@eagerestcrab2030 Here's an interview with Jake Norton about every search for M&I: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4af16x-d7C2p7Q.html

@eagerestcrab2030

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery thank you sir!

Even with a sleeping bag, at that altitude wouldn't the cold temps and exposure be too much. And if Mallory went on ahead alone...presumably Sandy Irvine would have made it back to the tent...And then even if Mallory had made use of a sleeping bag and then summitted...wouldn't he be coming back in daylight with goggles on and less likely to have fallen?

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

I agree, the sleeping bag offers only moderate protection, perhaps only psychological at best. If this scenario did take place, Sandy probably waited and waited, growing equally exhausted as GLM would have been. Cheers and thanks for watching!

@bolshoefeodor6536

Жыл бұрын

Mallory was tied to the rope in the manner of a waist tie-in (double bowline) wasn't he? This strongly suggests a roped fall, no? If so, that means BOTH Sandy and Mallory came off together (the terrain does NOT support the ide of a failure of a running belay, surely). That means they were climbing together. I seriously doubt Mallory would risk dragging Irvine up the second step. As a seasoned rock climber myself, Norton's account is what I expect from a less-skilled climber, climbing solo on steep terrain, with nerves getting the better of him (being "gripped"). Mallory would have had way more confidence in himself to handle the couloir route, roped, no? Top climbers rarely back off a route on the statements of a less-skilled climber under less than ideal circumstances, no? Surely the second step (totally an unknown quantity) represented by far the greater risk overall? After all, Norton HAD navigated at least PART of the couloir, alone, unroped, without oxygen. To a typical hardcore climber, all Norton did is throw down the gauntlet to Mallory! At least from what I know of young men of Mallory's vintage (I had the privilege of being taught by one at public school) that IS a very powerful driver - a mate who "chickened out" under less-than-impressive circumstances just demands to be made an example of.

nice Telecaster...............wanna jam ? wb

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely....ready to rock!

There is something very psychopathic about bringing someone with you when you are not going to take failure as an option , this is why i think the way he is described in the wildest dream is wrong , i think he had more focus and was a far more serious man than this romantic poet of an image , he knew how to give orders like his brother Trafford and was as ambitious

Your analysis, to me makes no sense. To keep pushing the second step option defies any logical interpretation. Carrying sleeping bags?? Not one single expedition either prior to 1924 or after (until the Chinese) explored the option of the second step. They all circumvented it realizing it was literally a brick wall

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Cool, well, I guess that ends the debate then.

Once again i wonder why people ignore the interview and picture of Odell pointing to the place he last saw Mallory just before the first step, but believe his written claim that could have been made up by a British journalist. A photo is tangible evidence, and a written line could be considered hearsay. I love the photos.

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

Go figure....people want to write their own history, I guess. The idea of sleeping bags isn't a guess, it's traceable to fact. I'm going to talk with Jochen Hemmleb about this in a couple weeks and double down on it. Thanks as always for watching!

@czarcastic1458

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery I wonder how much sleeping bags weighed in 1924.

@WellyCoaster

Жыл бұрын

@@EverestMystery the sleeping bags sound interesting Thom, I too wonder if its carrying to much extra bulk but love reading all these ideas, looking forward to Jochens take on it!

@WellyCoaster

Жыл бұрын

@@czarcastic1458 I really like that Odell photo too, to me it shows its not the third step as he would be pointing on the final pyramid for that.

@czarcastic1458

Жыл бұрын

@@WellyCoaster WOW . Usually, i get bashed for bringing that up.

Its a wonderful story and tale to tell but they did not make it. Had they made it, they would have marked it instantly, written it down, or left more debris near the summit. It's a heart warming fairy tale, that's all it is. They both slipped when the footing disappeared before submitting, It's obvious

@EverestMystery

Жыл бұрын

It is indeed a heart wrenching fairy tale. Thank you for watching, truly appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts

@dukecraig2402

8 ай бұрын

There's absolutely nothing about the subject that's obvious, if anything was then all the experts who've been through there would all agree on one or the other, but most of them can't make up their mind themselves. None of the clues reveal anything definitive, it's as up in the air as anything is in life.