The best thing for me about the whole Glaw/Eisenhorn thing is that Glaw is a follower of Slaanesh. Him being kept as a box with absolutely zero sensory input available other than audio is basically hell for a creature that lives off the excess of sensations. The scene where he is seemingly just pouring himself a nice drink but is actually using it as a method of torture to get the information he wanted out of Glaw while also being either entirely or, more likely, willfully ignorant of the fact that he is using Chaos to fight Chaos sort of makes the 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' significantly more relatable to me.

You two chatting about the Eisenhorn/Bequin triologies is the best thing I found on YT this year. Absolute brilliant. Greetings from Germany.

‘Cadians are the bare minimum useless guardsmen’ Kasrkin: ‘Am I a joke to you?’

I like our Eisenhorn impressions so much! Bwahahahaa

Talking of voices - it is well worth listening to the audiobook for this. Toby Longworth does a fantastic job with the different characters!

@soupalex

Жыл бұрын

i'm most of the way through _malleus_ now after finishing _xenos_ (i read them in paperback years ago, but the audiobooks are new to me). to be brutally honest, i think medea's accent drifts from time to time, and there have been one or two moments where e.g. fischig and eisenhorn have been chatting and longworth begins a line in eisenhorn's voice before realising it's meant to be the _other_ character talking, and gradually modulates (eisenhorn strangely morphing into fischig). but on the whole, still really good! i'd recommend them to anyone interested in 40k audiobooks (even if the voiced format does sort of spoil a minor, but interesting, twist in the 2nd/3rd act of _xenos)_

@goawayihavecommentstomake1488

Жыл бұрын

Toby Longworth is a fantastic VA. So good. I prefer him over others, definitely.

@craigbrown04

10 ай бұрын

He’s no Jonathan Keeble

"Eisenhorn's like a liberal democrat" - absolutely slayed me!

That was an hour well spent. I'm really enjoying rediscovering these novels along with you. I'm looking forward to the next review.

OH MY GOD I can't believe I forgot the main character in Hired Gun had that Yorkshire accent! 'By 'eck, me shotgun's run dry, pass me t'boltgun!' Absolutely incredible scenes, pretty much worth the price of entry alone to be honest.

@soupalex

Жыл бұрын

we've been thinking that "recaf" is meant to be 40k coffee for years (despite it canonically being brewed from leaves); turns out it was yorkshire tea all along!

Mira's correct, it's Mal-E-us. The best way to know how to pronounce an in-universe word is to listen to the audiobooks. Not only is it a great way to keep your mind busy while you crack on with some hobby, but GW is pretty consistent when it come's to pronunciations. There's an editing error in Pariah for example where the narrator reads the same line twice, but the pronunciation of a name changes - presumably as the result being corrected on how to say it.

So, Mira is cool and the chemistry you have together is just all kinds of fun to watch. Then I look to see if Mira has her own youtube channel, and I realise Mira is actually next level cool and I want to be like her please and thank you.

I also absolutely love Eisenhorns perception of the cosplay wannabe cultists. Like he is even judging their outfits, like "You aren't pulling that off dear"

Dear Gary Oldman from Fifth Element, I really enjoy your big overarching history videos.

Really happy every time I see one of these videos in my feed. I've coincidentally finished Malleus a few weeks ago and not being 1000% immersed in the 40k community means I don't have many people to help me digest it. Really glad to hear both of your thoughts and looking forward to Hereticus!

@amosb1452

2 жыл бұрын

ditto

@Madhattersinjeans

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly when I first read these books aeons ago I was very immersed into the 40k universe in games and the tabletop. So none of the unique phrases or strange settings fazed me at all. But I can definitely see how it can be a lot to take in. This book in particular did have a few sections that were quite dense with scene/character changes as well. I think this was also fairly early on in Dan Abnetts 40k book writing career. From this point on he only gets better in terms of pacing and in terms of building characters. But yeah, the whole of the inquisitor series is kind of a big tour of the 40k universe which I really appreciate. Most other novels set in that universe generally stick to more traditional storytelling ie establish characters, 1 main setting and go from there. Dan is a big fan of flipping around from set to set with different characters and slowly bringing their seperate actions to a critical moment in the story where they meet. It happens more in his gaunts ghosts books I think? If I remember right. It has been a few years since i've read through his inquisitor series.

I do wonder if the Eisenhorn books weren't in the first person, Abnett wouldn't have been so brutal to some of the other supporting characters. The Ravenor books kept a lot more characters alive - possibly because so much had been written from their perspective.

@HistoritorJimaldus

Жыл бұрын

Gaunt’s Ghosts is in third person though 😢

Your book series with Mira here really inspired me to read Xenos, and I realized I had the audiobook from a bundle I got a while ago and listened to it. I loved it so much I listened to it and finished it in just a couple of days, and quickly got Malleus and listened through that in just a couple of days too. Then I came and watched this video a second time after reading it and it was a lot of fun, now having understood what was going on. Now I've just got the book for Hereticus and I'm hoping to read that before you release a video on it. I look forward to it and whatever other books you decide to cover!

Guys, Cherubael caused the disaster at Thracian Gate.

Very cool video once again! I read the book not so long ago but completely forgot all these details. The comparison with James Bond is great

Probably my favourite video of you guys!

I know this is almost a year old, lol, but I'm enjoying this recap of the book enough to want to let you know, I looked up the astropath who dies in this one - it's Tasaera Ungish. Lowink sadly dies offscreen in the first book. I quite liked him.

That Amalathian song was absolute heresy and I love it!

@5:02 it ABSOLUTELY sometimes makes it to the table!

Great, now I see Eisenhorn and Bequin as sci fi Terry and June.

Mira at 11.30, my tea came out of my nose! 😂

It's funny you talk about the ridiculous level of detail Abnet puts into the side stories. It's amazing what comes out of his head

Ravenor seems to have been mentioned in Gaunt’s Ghosts a couple of years before he was ever seen in person

These videos are fantastic and I love the rapport you and Mira have when discussing the books. Thank you both!

That intro is so adorable.

I really enjoy these videos of you talking about the Eisenhorn books. please keep them coming. do more books.

i loved mira suddenly bursting into a rendition of "amalathian in new york" and her repeated characterisation of gregor eis-AHA!-nthorn, and ian's speculation that "pound" might just sound like happy hardcore. …also why am i only now finding out that necromundans have yorkshire accents!? i would have installed hired gun ages ago if i'd known; they should put that right at the top of the feature list on steam

Wow, it was a wonderful listen! It is great to relive all of the great world-building in the book again.

I think Quixotic is an important Mirror of what Eisenhorn will become.

oo I only just started this book, (a rather large "accident" has just happened), will have to come back to this when im done.

I was listening to this while painting some Tau Fire Warriors and when they talked about Pontius Glaw I started laughing and almost ruined my paintjob on one of the minis!

That was much more enjoyable than it has any right to be! I am trying to decide based on this whether Ravenor or Eisenhorn are better as a series. I think Ravenor is a much more likeable character overall.

Just two lovely people chatting and I’m here for it :)

Yay! Book club! Keep them coming please.

Really nice editing. Cut out all the dead space. Very smooth. Plus love Mira's pan flag on her lip.

Finally finished it, loved it, but i agree with the last 20 pages, it felt like Dan got to that point and realised that he had a word limit he could not go over and could not be bothered to edit other parts. but so many bits im glad he did not, those wannabe death cult members was funny. and it does feel like 40k is a satire of static fascism

Great to see someone new to the verse’ take on the grimdarkness of the far future

Yes this really is really most James Bond book when Eisenhorn is still has all the support of empire behind him.

I pronounce Prophaniti the same way Mira does. "Profanity" was just a little too on-the-nose for me.

Angry Claire Balding, 😂❤, nailed it

You kinda missed the bit where Eisenhorn kills Witchfinder Tantalid

Can't wait for the next one.

Epic editing at 25:53. Nicely done😂

I agree with Mira as someone who is newbie to 40k universe MALLEUS had too much going on that i sometimes lost track what was happening. Question to any 40k fans: How is possible that in 40k universe a human can be 100 years old and not die of an old age?

@HistoritorJimaldus

11 ай бұрын

‘Rejuvenat’ treatments and surgery - basically life-extension technology that only the rich or important people can get

@mladenkulic446

11 ай бұрын

@@HistoritorJimaldus Thank you, for the explanation. 👍

THE DALEK VOICE! Holy shit you just changed how I read Pontius Glaw forever 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Trapping the demon in a box where he can't get back out and start causing more problems is completely justified. Eisenhorn is based, and you will see he gets even more based as time goes on

I thought Malleus read almost like an anthology rather than a coherent novel. Enjoyed all of the series, ravenor and bequin series to but Guants Ghosts and Marcharian Triliogy for me are the most enjoyable.

I won't lie, the book toss made me a bit anxious, lol. Poor book.

I'm disappointed on not commenting on the over-on-the-nose-ness of Quixos, obviously taken from Don Quixote.

Woohoo!

Yeees, Friday treat :)

If you like the detective story elements then you have to read the Ravenor books!

Save some money and get the omnibus edition for Ravenor :)

Absolutely love these discussions the happy hardcore intro must stay for future episodes

Review the rest of the eisenhorn series please

Hope it's alright if I have a latte instead of tea while I watch you two natter away...really enjoy the interaction....teach your padawan well master Ian.

Mira mentioned a channel where you switch roles and you question her about D&D books, can we have a link to that please?

@miramanga

2 жыл бұрын

It doesn't exist yet but Arbitor Ian is very heavily suggesting I get my own KZread channel sorted out, so watch this space!

@elvenstranger

2 жыл бұрын

@@miramanga I think you will have a few followers ready to go when you do. Love these reviews. I've not read as much d&d so will be happy to find out more from you!

Re Cadia: ok, so it‘s probably a ref to Arcadia, no, i‘m not across my Sydney, or that one painting. Why do the audiobooks consistently make them Geordies? Is Paradise on the Tyne, in which case is Pandemonium on the Weir?

18:00 ish what no mention of what happens to Ravenor during the atrocity??

What's the music at the start?

If this is a Jame Bond novel...is Pontius Glaw a Pussy Galore tribute?

I think Malleus was my favorite of the original trilogy

When to be " full of piss & vinegar " usually slang for one trying to pass a urinary drug screen. Which is used by a catheter to back wash to your bladder with vinegar solution to dilute the drugs within urine. Does this have similar meanings in the U.K.? Much love Texas

@goawayihavecommentstomake1488

Жыл бұрын

Does the phrase describe the fire, energy, and foolishness of youth? I wasn’t familiar with the actual process it refers to.

Whem it comes to 40k novels that portray more tham anger I hope that you will talk about Comissar Cain sometime in the future.

Emperor forgive Gregor for killing that Marine during the Atrocity.

KRANG(!)

@ArbitorIan

2 жыл бұрын

KRANG!!

@miramanga

2 жыл бұрын

Now I know!

I think I have a serious crush on Medea.

Pound as a style definitely has donks for absolute days

Oh shit, prophaniti = profanity! I'd never noticed that either

angry Clare Balding🤣

What is her channel called

@valentinemcdermott

Жыл бұрын

Channel name is Mira Manga

48;00 odds of Abnett being an Alice in Chains fan?

The nul-psykers was the bit that spoiled the story for me. It just seemed too much of a deus ex machina.

2:39 40K is by its own assertion what lies at the end of the road after all progressivism has run its course. The post-modernist theoracy at its heart is the product of purging all aspects of culture that emerged from ancient religions. Without that purge there would be no room for the veneration of the god-emperor. 40k is self-aware enough to provide us with this kind of ironies. The Omnisia and the Cult Mechnicus is the inverse of that, it's the long cultivated believe in technology morphing into just another type of superstition over the course of many millenias. Mankind's issue is not that the "one correct ideology" is soooo difficult to formulate, no the issue is that every ideology is just another crutch. And the limiting factor is not a lack of intelligence, it's that humans are fundamentally irrational beings and more technology is not a remedy for that.

I just finished the audiobook. I wish they'd read the demon more gay.

@justovision

4 ай бұрын

❤ Mira.

Definitely malleeeeus and not ma-lay-us :)

@Kierkergaarder

2 жыл бұрын

Erm no the original latin pronunciation would be māll-æ-ous

@Hopesfallout

2 жыл бұрын

You claim that based on what exactly?

@Kierkergaarder

2 жыл бұрын

Familiarity with latin and romance languages (I speak several). Type "hammer" in google translate and see how the computer pronounces it.

@Kierkergaarder

2 жыл бұрын

(An "a" followed by two consonants almost always makes a long "ā", and "e" isn't pronounced "eeee" as in the English sound - in Latin you would use a short "i" to make that sound eg veni, vidi, vici)

@HistoritorJimaldus

2 жыл бұрын

I was just going on what sounds better to me lol 😇

This video has been flagged by games workshop for copyright infringement.

Why does this feel like I've asked my parents to read a book I like, and they're just mugging it off to their friends. Just seems like you're trying to find sexism anywhere you can. Read some dark/romance fiction by female authors and you'll see that it's a two-way street, the 'female gaze' is a real thing, and no-one cares. But yes I will keep watching the book reviews cuz I'm a sucker for BL books and you are fun when you're not doing the whole critical theory thing like you're a freshman at university.