I asked Dan Abnett what rhyming swords are and he answered in a KZread video - they're a real historical thing, paired blades with a holy text or incantation written on them, split between them so the passage is only complete when they're together.

"Diadochi" were the names for the generwls who carved up Alexanders empire after his death.

Abnett's writing is very TV show-esque. Id guess it's because of his comic writing roots where you have to tell the story across many issues

@YOOT_JJ

Жыл бұрын

And it works perfectly for the 40k universe. I’m surprised there isnt like, an Indomitus Crusade comic line or something.

@Sangomah

Жыл бұрын

@@YOOT_JJ Gaunts Ghost as a comic series like Punisher MAX or The Darkness would be amazing :O

Definitely you should 100% play Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy/Wrath and Glory (or the new one coming soon, Imperium Maledictum)! If you can get Kirioth / Snipe n Wib / Midwinter Minis involved too, that would be amazing!

@dekai7992

Жыл бұрын

This!

@roderickhamilton9891

Жыл бұрын

Imperium Maledictum? I'm stoked for this!

Mira's enthusiasm and outlook really add a wonderful additional layer to these book reports. Keep them coming!

I remember reading the Ravenor trilogy and really enjoyed it. After a year or so i read The Emperors Gift and just thinking "No Way!", what a beautiful surprise.

I think Mira is a super good sidekick for this channel. I love watching people explore thinks I like. And her perspective is super entertaining. Also seems to be a very nice person. I'd really love to see her getting a 40k Army started. Or even better a Horus Heresy army, as I am about to get into it a lot. First half of the first troop is painted... after like 20 hours. But really it doesn't matter, love to see you two on screen talking about warhammer in the widest sense!

With regards to a TV series - Eisenhorn was being produced at Amazon from some of the team that did Man in High Castle. The first article on Wahrammer Community was back in 2019 (if I remember correctly) which said it was in pre-production, and one of the producers brushed over it in an interview. The most recent updates (if you can call it that) were in the Jan 2022 financial report from Games Workshop which mentioned it was now in development, and this month's financial report just called out to investors that it's a long process and moves at a slower pace to everything else Games Workshop is involved in (such as video games and licenced board games). Hopefully it'll make it to release without getting cancelled, and we'll get to see it in the next couple years.

Ravenor was one of my absolute favourite book series of all time, not even just within the 40k universe. It's just so different in form and theme to most 40k novels, it's this constantly escalating thriller exploring Imperial society from the bottom up with such an incredibly amount of character to it. As a teen it pretty much single handedly made me interested in 40k as a set of lore beyond just armies smashing into each other.

Forgeworld just came out with Sheen Birds for necromunda!

@justsomedude7583

3 ай бұрын

I saw em randomly the first time a week ago and completely forgot they were a thing in this book until now. I don’t remember the book describing them as ravens or raven sized, but I’m ALL for it since I remember reading the book new and thinking they were just cyber doves/pigeons/sparrows/finches some whatever little tweety bird 😂 honestly probably just a generic term for any cyber bird I suppose.

I always love these book club vids! A few thoughts on this book. -you gotta listen to the audiobooks of this series, to hear the silly American accent Longworth does for Harlon Nayl, its great fun. -Abnett can’t write a line about Cara Swole which doesn’t include the word “curvaceous” -I love the character of Fraulke, just lazing about smoking and reading porn bc he’s the only memeber of the crew who doesn’t need any actual talents beyond him being a blank.

Excellent, as always! Fun fact about the sheen birds: You can actually play them: They're models that can be used in Cawdor gangs for Necromunda. I was so overjoyed when I realised that.

Mira’s summaries are always good.

In the grim-darkness of the future, there is only Jem and the Holograms. 😆

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Glamour and glitter, Fasion and fame....

Damn it guys, I'm on a perpetual Dan Abnett binge thanks to your Book Club Videos....

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

P.s. Never thought I'd hear a reference to Jem and the Holgrams efference in a 40k book reviews. Making me suspect you are vloser to my generation than I thought. Juvinat treatment?

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Apparently I cannot type....

With regards to Carl/Slight my impression of possession is that the daemon and the person being possessed sort of merge together.

25:28 my fav Abnett detail™ was in a Durham Red graphic novel, where she uses a digital cloaking device to hide from monitors, that's called a "Turing Shroud" 😂

(Spoilers for Game of Thrones) This book actually introduced to me an intriguing narrative potential of the 40 universe. It was right around the mark where the Fratery's summoned creature was fighting the Secretists and their forces. Besides being neat to imagine, I realized that basically none of Ravenor and his gang were really around for this. Now this can be seen as sidelining your main characters. For me, it made the factions actually feel like they had their own stuff going on. And this introduced to me that intriguing narrative potential of the 40k Universe. In a lot of fiction, you have the 'heroes save the day.' Now, obviously this can be done well or poorly, but some could get tired of its prevalence. Warhammer 40K is established as grim universe with a lot of competing factions, that are - in theory - given equal weight. This creates a setting where possibly ANYONE could win. It could be the Imperium, it could be Chaos, maybe the Tyranids could just end up eating everyone. This unpredictability means that heroes/protagonists might have a greater chance of actually losing, as opposed to other stories where threats can be more a narrative roadblock to eventually overcome - and this unpredictability could have a chance to draw an audience further in. It's kind of like the appeal of early "Games of Thrones," where even the 'good guys' had a chance to lose badly. Now granted, this is *"in theory,"* and perhaps really only applies to the setting as a whole (in regards to who ultimately 'wins'). And even then, Games Workshop has placed a ton of attention on the Space Marines, to the frequent detriment of other factions. Also, from what I can tell, it seems both Games Workshop and later Game of Thrones have gone a little too far in 'good guys don't always win,' turning it into 'the bad guy wins every time, all the time' (as seen in the Warhammer Fantasy's End Times, and GoT's Ramsey Bolton). It seems a badly-written story where the 'bad guys' always wins could be just as irritating as a badly-written story where the 'good guys' always win (and can perhaps be more exhausting/demoralizing to boot). (And as you've noted elsewhere, there really aren't any 'good guys' in Warhammer 40k; and the setting might not really a 'winner' in the end) Still, I think it's a fun consideration of storytelling, and how certain factors - in this case, a grimdark wargame where you theoretically give factions equal weight - could lead to an interesting/unexpected narrative potential. (Edited for grammer, accuracy, and spelling)

Okay. GW needs to do a book club. Like the old History Book Club. The negative what’s it thing where they send you the book unless you send back the envelope saying no.

You get some more of a view of the administratum in, I think, one of the Dawn of Fire books. I honestly can’t remember much about it other than someone goes on an epic trek across entire departments on terra just to bring one piece of information to the notice of someone higher up.

@MrDicks420

Жыл бұрын

yeah some girl has a vision or some such

@mikemarcotte5962

Жыл бұрын

Yes! There's also a story line about the...ahem... recruitment of one of Guilliman's historators that also gives a peek into the Administratum.

@MasterShake9000

Жыл бұрын

It’s the first Dawn of Fire book - my fave part is the bounty hunters that search the document piles for errors to turn in to uncover “bad” scribes for their mistakes.

They are still meant to be making a TV series of Eisenhorn

Weird gap between me listening to the audiobooks and people that clearly read it. I can pronounce the characters (and other words you're having trouble with) but have no idea how the names are spelt, readers the opposite. Actually took me until the second of the Eisenhorn books before I clocked it as Alizabeth Bequin instead of plain old 21st century Elizabeth...

Forge World makes Sheen Bird miniatures for Necromunda!

You cant leave a man alone with lubricant.

Starting Ravenor Rogue now. Feels reading it BEFORE the book club review. Kind of like the satnav has shorted out....

Ravenor Returned: Carl Has Started To Morb

The Sheen Birds have minis in Necromunda.

Orfeo is very much a chaos-adjacent Moriarty. I agree with Ian, he's the best part of this one

Ravenor is Abnett at his best. Big hopes for the 3rd Bequin.

The issue that I had with this book (and the Ravenor series as a whole) was implied here with the fact that Ravenor does not notice Carl’s rather obvious transformation. Like, how can Abnett convince me that Ravenor is a genius, if I’m always a step ahead of him as the reader? The lomger this setup continues, the less believable the whole narrative becomes.

Love the intro art!!! Keep up the great work!

Before watching the video, I thought the comment in the description about Brazil was a reference to the city of Petrópolis in the state of Rio de Janeiro, rather than the film... Strange coincidence?

This is the book I talk about when I want to explain the insane joyful over-the-top potential of 40k. Just explaining the brass thief vs toros revoke is usually enough 😁

Hey guys, just finished Penitent so it's been a few weeks since I read this. I did actually enjoy this, but not as much as the Eisenhorn trilogy. In retrospect I have to say that in this book especially Ravenor is either really incompetent or really unlucky, in comparison to Eisenhorn. The only thing Ravenors team actually pulls off in this book is their insertion into the administratum to fake their identities, and that time they act like they are tax office inspectors. The rest just happens to them, because they either make mistakes, or beacause the emperor apperantly hates them and they get really unlucky. It sometimes reads like the bad guys make more of an effort to find Ravenor than the other way around. On a differnt note, Ravenor seems a lot more "human" here than in the Bequin novels, which I think is really interesting. But I guess a lot has changed in between these novels. Anyways, great video, guys :)

@ChrisHopkinsBass

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you’d think The Chair would be a bit more aware that he’s being set up…in every story

I'd love to see your book club doing Bloodlines by Chris Wright. It's a police detective crime novel with ample amounts of 40k on top. It's great :)

Smiled from start to finish. Such a great dynamic. Can't wait for Rogue (I'm reading along with you!)

41:10 the ritual architecture is very Vinz Clortho from Ghostbusters to the power of Grimdark!

I have been listening to The Vaults of Terra Series. Not the best but really fun to learn about the Emperor and how Terra works. Game info:- Sheenbirds are playable in Necromunda. Vampire blades are in the 54mm Inquisitor game.

Love the bookclub :)

20:09 Can I just say that the Unkindness is cool, but also incredibly silly (which is kinda Warhammer in a nutshell, I suppose)? Swinging a lure around to command a huge swarm of robot-birds to reduce your intended target and everything in its immediate vicinity to shreds strikes me as slower and more conspicuous than just shooting them.

Great recap and review guys. You're doing the God-Emperor's work.

I just want to highlight how great of a character Maud is. She's basically just one of the police officers from Fargo.

@miramanga

Жыл бұрын

yes!

Love that little animation at the start

In book one no one died, in book two no one died in book 3 someone died, in book 4 there was that incident with the pigeon lol😂 Great review as always :)

@miramanga

Жыл бұрын

YAY!! SOMEONE GOT THE REF! Praise the Emperor.

Great episode. I live you two. Awesome chemistry. Question: Does anyone know what the short story about the library is called. The one mentioned in the end

Mira i like You and songs you sing 😃

Ravenor Rogue now! I have withdrawl symptoms.... 🙄

If you listen to the audiobooks (which I highly recommend) Toby Longworth does the narration and he's basically the Dan Abnett of Black Library narrators. His portrayal of Orfeo Culzean always made me think of Ian McShane. He's was always who I pictured the character looking like.

@blommen

7 ай бұрын

I feel like it’s a toss up between Toby and Jonothan Keeble, but honestly there are loads of great narrators working for BL.

20:40 Sheen birds are a thing in Necromunda now

Why does it have to be Ravenor Rogue? Probably to keep up the alliteration in the titles.

I imagined the painting in the hidden ceiling essentially like a Bosch Painting.

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Oh dear, my lo-brow brain intially read that as 'Boosh Painting'. I had images of Noel Fielding/Julian Barrett's headache-inducing set design....

Great stuff as usual. Also we do need a Mira v Ian rogue trader match haha

@HistoritorJimaldus

Жыл бұрын

I guess Ian would be the GM, but Mira should have a guest or two join her retinue :)

I wonder if the rings of Karl were Psychic tokens against the Emperors influence, since they fall of his hand in the church.

32:55 Sleet /Slyte is deliberate misdirection, isn't it?

Can't wait for you to do the Bequin books

@greenbamboozler3321

Жыл бұрын

They already covered the two that are out.

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Damn you @Green Bamboozler! I was going to say that .......😂

Comment for the algorithm gods!

"Who lost the war?" Everyone

Zael *cough cough* You mean Hyperion....

Does anyone know the name of the story about the Administratum journey that Ian talked about?

@Powoga

Жыл бұрын

From what I can tell, it's not actually a self contained story, but the beginning of _The Bleeding Chalice_ , the second _Soul Drinkers_ novel.

Hellooooo by the emperor you guys look good

Love the chainsaw warrior shirt

Yes! Jem! Haha, that takes me back... sometime you should set up the super chat / super thanks system so we can vote with our $$ on these awesome episodes!

I can’t recall the book name but it’s about a tiny error inputted into the impossibly huge communications by one person that forces a troop ship to drop off a single infantry company onto an Ork blighted planet which are promptly massacred. The sole survivor joins a veteran unit who don’t even want to learn his name as it’s unlikely he’ll last a day. I don’t mind the odd page here or there but yeah nobody wants books about servitors and drones 😊

@arnhempegasus

Жыл бұрын

15 hours.

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Bleagh! I found Fourteen Hours just relentlessly bleak, humourless, plagued with cliches and over written. As Ian and Mira pointed out in various videos, you need humour to get through the grimdark. Like Abnett's Gaunt and Mitchell's Cain novels. Though I got through the Cadia Novels purely on a juvenile crush on Minka Lesk...

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

15 hours not 14 hours, what can I say? I cannot count this early in the morning.... But you're right. Nobody DOES want a book about servitors and drones. Though a novel about lazy Adminstratum Scriviners finding ways to slack off and play the system and get caught on the wrong side of a Chaos Cult could be fun....

What is the name of the short story Ian talked about?

I should've read at least one of these. But with a synopsis like that and Mira stumbling on the words several times I don't blame Ian for deffering to Mira to read the plot summary . I don't know if that's a signature trope with Warhammer novels but I'm sure they could word it better.

@miramanga

Жыл бұрын

It was my words I stumbled on! (My writing my fault don't blame Dan or GW!) Sometimes at the beginning of recording these videos I am super anxious and it shows in my stutter / misspeaks! I should do some more warm ups for sure ;)

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

I suspect I would sound infinitely worse, if it was me doing these videos, Mira. I do live spoken word so I know how daunting It can be. Now idea if it is better, worse or just different to recording it. I certainly don't like looking at recordings of me. There is a really cringy erecording of me out in the ether somewhere. I still stutter/stumble over my words. For what it's worth I like what you and Ian do on this channel. I like your delivery. I like the history of 40k as a game. I Iike the lighthearted and chilled tone. I like that you are not another set of angry humourless nerds. I enjoy the coversational delivery. You are both bloody good communicators. If I journey through the Grimdark I would rather it was with you guys. Sorry for the crazy nocturnal rantings. I have a snoring Jack rusell on my bed keeping me awake....I think the little sod just farted!

there's four????

Of course Math was the one that had to die. He’s the black guy. *grumbles*

@happyharibo1330

Жыл бұрын

Shit!😲 Not good....😖 I hate that trope. Doubt it was done on purpose but even so...

OMG play rogue trader or join my game

I have an uncomfortable question. I'm basically not interested about life of the "community", but I suddenly became curious to find out where the shitty idea that "40k happens in a magic crystal in Altorf" came from. I understand that "fantasy fanatics" are saying this to insult 40k enjoyers. Just the envy, of couce. I can't believe that this can come from an official source. Although I admit that GW can go to any shit for the sake of an extra dollar. Or is it trash fanservice from CA/SEGA in Total War?

@honoratagold

7 ай бұрын

I'm not sure if this was ever published or was just a cheeky response to 40k folks saying Fantasy was just happening on an isolated planet in/near the Eye or Terror. What I can say is that this was almost certainly always intended as a joke theory and was never intended to be taken seriously. I say this because it's clearly a reference to the television show St. Elsewhere, which famously ended by implying the whole series had either taken place inside a snow globe, or inside the imagination of the child who owned the snow globe imagining what went on in the buildings inside it.