Magnus Sacrifices His Queen to Humiliate 2000 rated Opponent
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Magnus Carlsen vs ilya2700
Titled Tuesday
7 february 2023
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• Contents in this video •
00:00 Pre-game talk
00:07 Opening
01:22 Mid game
05:03 End game (Queen sac)
05:44 Post-game talk
Пікірлер: 1 000
Magnus has his own Npcs dancing in the backround
@gregorymorales1527
Жыл бұрын
😂
@syl3r
Жыл бұрын
yeah, actually who are they??
@UserUnknown123__
Жыл бұрын
Hahahahahah
@hellobulutangkis3921
Жыл бұрын
@@syl3r as he told you, they are NPC ( Non Playable Character )
@ROYWONDEROFF
Жыл бұрын
Chessbrah HQ npc's
"Soooo, what do you do for a living? I dance awkwardly behind Magnus to support his morale while he destroys other chess guys"
@nameyname1447
Ай бұрын
lmao
@kimeg7294
18 күн бұрын
With a decent pay!
its incredible just watching him make knowingly stupid opening moves against 2000+ players knowing he's going to easily win anyway. Can't imagine what its like to be that good at this game.
@Avicenna10
Жыл бұрын
Not to mention doing it while you’re drunk lol😂
@mw7851
Жыл бұрын
Seriously man 😂
@RaniaIsAwesome
Жыл бұрын
I've been to 2000 and back down again and it's not that good.
@josiahkrista
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing when he opened with moving his knights to the outside of the board and learning that's a big no no haha.
@hyperasian3167
Жыл бұрын
doesn't he do it on purpose so his opponents can't rely on theory?
0:57 Magnus: lets get some energy here NPC hype team activated: awkward dancing mode
@asdfasdf7199
Жыл бұрын
jason biggs in american pie vibes
@nicolascolomad3029
Жыл бұрын
Why does he do that? I have seen plenty videos where he does the exact same thing and I didn’t know that was a move, what is it purpose?
@psijicassassin7166
Жыл бұрын
His homies upping his testosterone by twerking
@-_deploy_-
8 ай бұрын
@@nicolascolomad3029 just vibing
@jordancobb7553
2 ай бұрын
The moment he says that a new NPC enters
As a 500 elo, I have zero loss records against Magnus
@youuuuuuuuuuutube
11 ай бұрын
And you will never have any loss against him in your life.
@bluemystic7501
8 ай бұрын
@@youuuuuuuuuuutube He'll die undefeated.
@czer096
8 ай бұрын
Wish some luck and maybe you can lose against hikaru
@dzungphan2665
8 ай бұрын
Ive won against Magnus once before, as a 500. He’s my neighbor.
@SpongesVII
8 ай бұрын
@@dzungphan2665sureeeeeee
Masterclass! Nice "Don't move any piece twice before castling" "Two rooks on the 7th = good habit" "From now on every move should be a threat"
@goodvibez598
Жыл бұрын
Don't move any piece twice before casting" is rather something that one can see as written in stone as a beginner and average club player...later on...there are so many openings and it's beautiful variations where you have to move the same piece twice...
@joeldenring
Жыл бұрын
@@goodvibez598 even as a beginner, the spanish opening sometimes you have to move the bishop a few times and that's ok! no rule in chess is 100% other than don't get checkmated lol
@axemc7347
Жыл бұрын
It's like a beginner tip lol. He's just saying it to disrespect his opponent as a joke
@goodvibez598
Жыл бұрын
@@joeldenring yeah that's true....I don't know the spanish one that well. Let's put it that way....I wouldn't recommend a beginner any opening line where you have to move a piece twice.
@innocent1714
Жыл бұрын
@@goodvibez598 Isn't there also some defensive openings where you don't castle.
5:08 "Let's keep it simple, all pretty standart here" He always makes fun of Hikaru 😂
@iamtheteapot7405
Жыл бұрын
Imitation is the highest form of flattery
@samuelterpak1
Жыл бұрын
@@iamtheteapot7405 u confuse imitation with mocking :D
@yanntam6451
Жыл бұрын
@@iamtheteapot7405 imitation isnt flattery its just annyoin me
@iamtheteapot7405
Жыл бұрын
@yann tam Well you must be pretty annoying then 🤣
@resah9703
Жыл бұрын
@@iamtheteapot7405 hes quoting drake haha
It’s interesting watching great players play. They make moves that are so obvious it makes you feel like you’re on that level too, and yet, you’re still a level 1000
@magnusmohit
8 ай бұрын
True it seems really easy and smooth while watching them and when we try it everybody knows what happens
@247weedcom
Ай бұрын
😂 feel ya
Magnus just toyed with a guy who would destroy me 100% of the time fairly easily. I sometimes think non chess players don’t fully appreciate the magnitude of the variability of human intelligence.
@byzantinegold
Жыл бұрын
Human skill*
@ian9toes
Жыл бұрын
@@byzantinegold it’s more than skill, top GM can simultaneously play multiple decent players while blind folded. Most people would be lost after 2 moves.
@konrTF
Жыл бұрын
@@ian9toes Some people are more skilled than others. Not everything is 1:1 with intelligence, because if it was those people would be amazing at everything, not just something they were very passionate about and spent a long time learning. Don't get me wrong though he's clearly a genius, but there are plenty geniuses that aren't good at chess.
@tommyballard1059
11 ай бұрын
It’s the same with sports too so I feel like most people do know I’ve just started chess liken2 days ago and I can tell this caliber is just unreal. Same with video games I play rocket league and the skill difference of the top 1% and top .1% and are so different it’s not even funny
@byzantinegold
11 ай бұрын
@@ian9toes In the spirit of fair argument, I will say this. Playing a blindfolded simul is literally is a skill. I realize it's a pedantic point, but just because a skill may be impossible for many people to obtain doesn't mean it's not a skill all the same. Circlejerking over who is the most "intelligent" is boring because intelligence is abstract and hard to understand clearly, whereas skill is much easier to view. Of course, Magnus is obviously a Genius, and nearly all grandmasters are highly intelligent.
4 guys partying in a room while one plays chess is hilarious to me. I can't look past it 😂
@-_deploy_-
8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@keaton718
Ай бұрын
Presumably the women stepped out for a cigarette.
@luukipuuk3537
Ай бұрын
@@keaton718there was no woman lets be realistic here
@93lornamae
20 күн бұрын
The one who is playing chess is no normal man though.
"Knights on the rim, are grim. TWO knights on the rim, are grim....FOR YOU!!" - Magnus, probably
@geometricart7851
Жыл бұрын
LOL Magnus could have beat this guy with a queen odd at this time control.
@dude2829
Жыл бұрын
Knights on the rim job ?
@elwhagen
Жыл бұрын
@@dude2829 LOL
@elwhagen
Жыл бұрын
@@dude2829 kzread.info/dash/bejne/kZZ1lLCNlbHSabA.html
@Rick-the-Swift
Жыл бұрын
My knights get rimmed all the time LOL
He sacrificed the Knight for humiliation, but the queen was sacrificed for the mate, sir. 😊
@uselessdegenerate7565
11 ай бұрын
🤓
@dorjanas8532
8 ай бұрын
@@uselessdegenerate7565 🤡🤡
@dorjanas8532
8 ай бұрын
You're a Fucking clown🤡 It's even in your name!
@HyperSpace588
2 ай бұрын
@@uselessdegenerate7565 Yeah he knows more about chess than you ever will
@Josiah_Harder
Ай бұрын
I was wondering the purpose of moving the knight when it seems he could have sacrificed the queen immediately
Nah, not just his queen. That knight was the real humiliation. It's like:"Ok, I'm giving you one more chance to lose points rather than get checkmated right away."
@zipp01987
Жыл бұрын
Ah so I wasn't that stupid after all. I couldn't find any reason why he sacrificed that knight. For the humiliation. Makes sence
I'd like to thank Magnus for putting out these flex videos. Every time he does some 1400 sees it and tries it against me. Forgetting the important detail that they're not Magnus....
@jono2154
Жыл бұрын
😂
@nproving8276
Жыл бұрын
😂 i challenge you brad...letzz goo
@YogSoth
Ай бұрын
And then you woke up
Magnus explaining his moves is the best treat we could get
“Which rook is the most stylish ? “ that’s the kind of problem that keeps me up at night
4:14 the other guy thinks Magnus is thinking really hard about the move for a long time lmao
@lalilu4732
Жыл бұрын
But Magnus still missed a Mate in 3 in this position I guess.
@aliensconfirmed3498
Жыл бұрын
He did mate, what did he miss
@clarencedomond5837
Жыл бұрын
@@lalilu4732 he didnt miss anything, threatening the queen with the knight was a clear blunder which is why he called it a dick move lol, pay attention
@richi_rck
Жыл бұрын
@@lalilu4732 What is the extent of intellectual capacity of a spectator within the chess community who displays such a lack of understanding?
@microwave9031
Жыл бұрын
@Lalilu he knew about the queen sacrifice, he was just allowing his opponent some redemption in exchange for a queen, and when his opponent denied it he went with the mate
Dancing to most people: move rhythmically to the music Dancing to chess players: awkwardly flail arms and legs around while music is playing
@Frostgaming335
Жыл бұрын
lol awkwardly flail arms bcse they litteraly doesn't care chat
@Rick-the-Swift
Жыл бұрын
@@Frostgaming335 these would make Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg look like good dancers🤣
Magnus is my 2nd favorite player of all time. The 1st one is Drunk Mangus😂😂
Losing to a World Champion as 2000 player isn't a humilation no matter how they win. Odd choice of title.
@LloydM-oh4uk
Ай бұрын
Bro... magnus was memorizing entire phone books when he was a small child... we cant compete with that.
Imagine be paired with the best in the world and you spect a normal game, but get absolutely destroyed by a weird opening, i will be really sad lol
@-_deploy_-
8 ай бұрын
"Just wanna play a little game to pass time" Opponent: Magnus Carlsen
@LloydM-oh4uk
Ай бұрын
Thats what happens when you get put in the pool with all the sharks... gotta play all comers.
4:15 imagine thinking Magnus is taking over 40 seconds to think of a move when really he’s just talking nonsense to his stream viewers 😭🤣
@jeremiahtejeda4174
11 ай бұрын
😭😭imagine the player thinking he had magnus puzzled
@keithbenson4915
11 ай бұрын
He's talking nonsense AND calculating at the same time...that's a rare gift.
@Stoirelius
7 ай бұрын
THIS
Guys at the back make it seem like an after-party you wish you never went to, miles away from home at 5am
Effortlessly. I am currently crying playing against 900 rated opponents 😭
@AkitoLite
Жыл бұрын
tip: actually go in-depth when calculating. Don't stop and get lazy after 2 moves.
@Neo-jg9qs
Жыл бұрын
Me: *laughs in 450rating*
@MarvelMania677
Жыл бұрын
Me struggling in 800😭
@irfanion
Жыл бұрын
Struggling in 750-800 back and forth
@user-ik2li2xp7c
11 ай бұрын
Laughs in 600
Imagine being that player assuming you got Magnus thinking for 20 seconds but he really got up and walked away from the computer cuz you were no threat 😭
Mate in 2 is hardly a sacrifice
@vee1635
Жыл бұрын
Little did you know, the mate is only possible... if you... sacrifice.. so, by definition and basic logic, it is a queen sacrifice...
@sam2725
Жыл бұрын
@@vee1635 it's sometimes referred as a "sham sacrifice", a sacrifice whithout any risk. where as real sacrifices often require you to play significant periods with less material. Calling an obvious mate a "sacrifice", is just insulting
@emissarygw2264
Жыл бұрын
@@sam2725 If that's all it takes to insult you, you must feel really slighted all the time.
@sam2725
Жыл бұрын
@@emissarygw2264 It's now considered a fatal injury, if you reply with more than 3 words?
@natanfurman2467
Жыл бұрын
@@sam2725 yea
I don't understand why magnus always has like 3 ppl in a room while he just plays chess
@feddy1103
Жыл бұрын
That's his NPCs dancing in the background
@robotikempire
Жыл бұрын
chess posse
@capshurd
Жыл бұрын
If Magnus asked you to come over to his house and dance in the background while he played chess on live stream, would you say no?
@bongo6022
Жыл бұрын
@@capshurd that’s not why posted that comment Jeremy, what I’m saying is why does Magnus want to have those guys in his room, it makes the stream so much less personal and that’s why I don’t watch them.
@JrgenHelland00
Жыл бұрын
@@bongo6022 My guess would be he doesn't want to be that kind of streamer. His main gig is playing chess, not talking to a camera. The stream is just letting us into their party.
You know you're gone when magnus sacrifices his queen.
Sacrifices the knight for absolutely no reason like he's Yoshi in Super Mario World. Devastating.
name of the song?
Hehe! Va fan. Jag vill åkså vara med och parta. Vi är ju för fan grannar🤠
That remix of Fred again and naughty boy is sick but it’s literally a dj edit and I can’t find it anywhere lol.
That’s not Magnus; that’s obviously Dr Drunkenstein !
Every move will be a threat…😂 Then back his knight😂
Does anyone know where to find the song from the beginning? It seems like a Turn on the lights again.. and La La La mashup
i recognise one of the songs being played as Fred Again... We've Lost Dancing. Very nice!
What’s the name of that song
The state of those utter gimps in the background 😂😂 Think you’d call them hangers-on
Was there a point to knight to c5 at the end, or was it just cruelty?
That is a tricky move. It's really hard to threaten something😂😂
what is the song at the beginning? please tell me
@darkb0ne714
Жыл бұрын
Fred again.. x Swedish House Mafia - Turn on the lights
@ivanlebedev7382
Жыл бұрын
@@darkb0ne714 wow, ty
@giorgosmournos8485
Жыл бұрын
@@darkb0ne714 what is the 2nd song?
@darkwarriorsgame
Жыл бұрын
@@giorgosmournos8485 Fred again marea
@ArtemSayapov
Жыл бұрын
@@darkb0ne714 wait, no it's remixed with one other song that I forgot the name of. Cuz the original turn on the lights doesn't have the "nanana na, nana na" part. Can anyone tell me what song that part is from?
1:50 Knight C3 looks like a solid move.
@markovvuk1718
Жыл бұрын
That's a terrible move for white and opens a trap. Magnus could then move his bishop to G5. It would be check and it could not be blocked because Magnus would take it there on e7. If king just moves to d7 instead of blocking then he still loses the option to castle while also being in a bad position.
@Blobbyo25
Жыл бұрын
@@markovvuk1718 That would be Nf6 not Nc3
Love to hear the fredagain tracks bumpin
4:45 I'm still new to chess so correct me if I'm wrong, but is it considered brilliant if Rxf2? because if Kxf2, I think it's mate in 1 if Qxg3?
@chuckdollarama
Жыл бұрын
Qxg3 is better because it comes with check and is forcing mate in 3. With Rxf2, the king doesnt need to Kxf2 and white has moves like g4 to delay defeat.
@felixaquila9701
Жыл бұрын
@@chuckdollarama ... although it only makes a minor difference because after g4 Qxe3 the end is coming very quick.
I like Magnus' boomer energy at the end there trying to figure out what buttons to push.
@TheJpf79
7 ай бұрын
He's 32.
@sirchristopher7684
7 ай бұрын
I wasn't referencing him being a boomer I was referencing him not understanding the tech as boomer energy. It was just a funny observation. All generations can have boomer style moments.@@TheJpf79
At 0:47 bishop takes out own pawn and at 0:55 he moves his knight then replaced it with a pawn, as well as the white bishop disappearing. What is happening in those situation?
@markstone6263
Жыл бұрын
magnus knows where the other player is going to go so he simply makes his next move ahead of time. so when they do the move he anticipated it completes his move. like for example when his knight is replaced with his pawn, notice the other players bishop right there disappears
@UDumFck
2 ай бұрын
I’m with you. What the f is going on?
@LloydM-oh4uk
Ай бұрын
Lookup "premove"
What is the music playing from 02:45 longer? Anyone can recognise?
What’s the song playing in the background?
It wasnt to humiliate it was a tactic to get mate in 2.
@Romans8-9
Жыл бұрын
@@thanosa316 No difference but the video is not about the knight, the video says the Queen sac was done to humiliate.
Wait, he could've sacked the queen at 4:43, right?
@fares__farhi
Жыл бұрын
Yeah i think he could, i was going crazy thinking he actually missed the mate 🤦
@shekhar_narwal
Жыл бұрын
Yes, but just to disrespect the opponent he sacrificed the knight as well!
@SimKieu
Жыл бұрын
@@shekhar_narwal yeah i rewatched a found that he intentionally took an extra move to annoy the opponent lol
@michaelvandeborne9382
Жыл бұрын
@@shekhar_narwal he said it was a dick move :)
@VVeZoX
Ай бұрын
that’s why he said it was a dick move……
I love the end of this. Right before the Queen sac, that's a nice little chess puzzle. Get your best chess buddies to try to find it.
0:38 what is the remix? suggest this music , helpppp guys!!❤️❤️
MDMA and chess, what a combination...
@TheEpicFighter03
Жыл бұрын
???😂😂😂
Strange cult there.
@LloydM-oh4uk
Ай бұрын
He's the best player in the world... every chess player wants to see what he does next.
Magnus has Mark Rober as a background dancer, king move, king move.😅
Man has his own dj 😂😂
The question I have is how is their head-to-head to score is 1.0 - 0.5 How can one be 0.5 up in the score against another?
@kirubelteklebrhan9996
Жыл бұрын
if they draw the score would be 0.5 each
@vsevolod2563
Жыл бұрын
@@kirubelteklebrhan9996 And? that’s obvious. How was 1 - 0.5 score reached though? For example: If they drew their first game it would be 0.5 - 0.5 and what should happen next that one guy will only have and advantage of 0.5? If one wins - it’s either 0.5-1.5 or 1.5-5 if they draw again it’s 1-1
@firstviewer9167
Жыл бұрын
@@vsevolod2563 it's titled Tuesday genius
@enterpassword3313
Жыл бұрын
@@firstviewer9167 how does that work? Is it handicapped or something?
@benjaminwulf914
Жыл бұрын
@@vsevolod2563 Maybe one was berserking? I'm not sure.
No one noticed his sub count 💀🤨‼️
Markus' game is one thing. But the dancing cheerleader boys in the background finally form the threatening backdrop that forces the opponent to the ground.
Yo whats the remix playing in the background of Naughty boy La La
4:42 What was the purpose of black Nc5 ?
@iObelix27
Жыл бұрын
Cruel in-between move before the forced checkmate shown after that, if White tries to defend with something like Bg2 (which prevents the g3 capture being with check) then Black can simply take the queen. If the queen moves then we still have the forced sequence
@tlpe3udent188
Жыл бұрын
humiliation
@akiraliu5486
Жыл бұрын
Just humiliation. Nothing more, give the guy one chance to lose his queen rather than get checkmated. And this kind of move always make people think what's the purpose. So mag basically saying:"think again."
What was the point of magnus giving up the knight on c5 near the end?
@udishomer5852
Жыл бұрын
Trolling his opponent
@doctorbnasty1859
Жыл бұрын
There was no point, he gave the piece away because he didnt need it
Why do some pieces magically disappear? Glitch?
the fred again track goes hard, need magnus in a ruben östlund movie
Magnus saying “two rooks on the 7th” when they were on the 2nd rank 😆
@user-ee8wh1ki7x
Жыл бұрын
Magnus is the guy who moves first with black
@eus9
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but the rule is about attacking, and is based on the 7th rank from the attacker's perspective.
@iameugene
Жыл бұрын
They are on the 7th because that's the opponents 2nd
Sure glad he has his boyfriends dancing in the background
After king g1, if magnus captured the f2 pawn it would've been mate it one if the king takes the rook or otherwise right?
Is there any reason for the knight sacrifice?
Guy dancing in the background is me at my first party
@filipradanovic2263
Жыл бұрын
It's like they are all on drugs
@17_iqbalhafizfahromi91
Жыл бұрын
That “guy” is a GM
Dope chess party
@LloydM-oh4uk
Ай бұрын
🤣 that was sarcasm right?
what was the reason to move knight C5 before queen sac?
I see his hanger-oners are in the background again
4:54 he could have taken the pawn with the queen, right? It was mate
@alonob7775
Жыл бұрын
Yes I saw that too
@talha_05
Жыл бұрын
Which pawn?
@BliacTv
Жыл бұрын
@@talha_05 g3
@talha_05
Жыл бұрын
What is g3? And he did take the pawn in front of the queen, i dont see a mate in 1
@BliacTv
Жыл бұрын
@@talha_05 it was not mate in 1, first queen takes pawn g3, then pawn can take, then tower takes and its mate
Magnus, Thor of chess.
@nuwandalton
Ай бұрын
More like Loki. Only not funny at all.
Who are the three dancing sisters in the background? :D
Does anybody know what's the song in the beginning? The dance song?
Magus playing a 2000 rated player was a complete insult to him. He took it personally and played the dumbest moves he could allow himself to play, while still murdering his opponent.
@mikeog2617
8 ай бұрын
Yeah it's not like a 2000 can't become a decent game just give him another 20 + years lol
Can someone explain 0:57 - he takes his own horse? And again at 3:06 taking his own bishop?
@jezuschryzt
Жыл бұрын
well, you see, magnus doesn't follow the laws of chess... actually they are premoves
What's the song at the beginning please?
Idk, thought both rooks on the g-file was more stylish .. rooks start the game on the same rank, but getting them aligned on the same file requires more
“not move the same piece twice” says the guy who literally moved his knight 3 times before castling
@ronin123958
Жыл бұрын
he's like Cobb in Inception
@clarencedomond5837
Жыл бұрын
twice in a row is probably what he meant. But I guess you know better than Magnus Carlsen lol
I saw that mate in 4:55 and was like no way how Magnus not seeing the mate and then he literally played it 😭. Feeling proud of myself for the first time since winning in spэrm battle 🤣
The boys were all pilled up xD
Remix name of the first song please?
All these guys in chat laughing saying "oh man, I can't believe this guy fell for your trap", yet they probably have no clue what Magnus is getting ready to do lmao🤣
@TopOfAllWorlds
Жыл бұрын
Tbh The opponent must have given up when we saw that queen and rook stacked while being pinned by the bishop because he should have tried at least something ya know?
How tf is a 2000 rated lichess player a candidate master?
@ibimon
Жыл бұрын
Probably doesn't play much online?
@geometricart7851
Жыл бұрын
LOL I'm 1900-2000 lichess and am not even close to candidate master. Maybe equal to 1650-1700 USCF LMAO
@DarkSideChess
Жыл бұрын
You can get CM by winning junior competitions.
@ScorpionG4merBr
Жыл бұрын
@@geometricart7851 1700 USCF for someone 1900-2000 in lichess would be very high rated
@mohammedfathi3592
Жыл бұрын
I knew someone who was an 1600 CM on lichess
Is it not already checkmate By moving rook from e7 to b7 and then chechmate with the queen to b1?
4:50 Why did he sacrifice knight? He did not need to, right?
noooo the background dancers continue to ruin magnus' content
The title is misleading because he sacrificed the queen to mate him, am I wrong?
@doctorbnasty1859
Жыл бұрын
the title claims magnus sacraficed his queen, and magnus actually did, so its not misleading
@foreropa
Жыл бұрын
@@doctorbnasty1859 Of course is misleading, it says he did it to humiliate her. No, he did it to win, a HUGE difference.
Dance music name please
Could white make it longer moving Knight d7 after the black knight move? Why Magnus moves the black knight if the mate was exactly the same before that move? Where am i wrong?
@gamingzeraora443
2 ай бұрын
Style
I wouldn’t call that sacrificing your queen lol
if magnus can find a check this easily just imagine how he goes after the G spot!!
What's up with the dorks in the background?
Whats the name of the first remox?
the guys behind make me cringe so hard it makes the video barely watchable
@Goochbag8
Ай бұрын
Thank fuck I wasn't the only one. Like, great game and hilarious shenanigans but fuck this was unbearable. It wasn't even viewable when thinking "oh those guys are just having fun and being silly". It was some influencer yes men groupie type cringe.
@Goochbag8
Ай бұрын
Although, upon having a few drinks. Playing deadmau5' - 'When The Summer Dies' over this is pretty funny.
2000 rating is hard to me😅, but magnus is very very easy to kill him😂
Can someone please explain to me what happens at @3:05 with that pawn & bishop ?
@ColinDaviesNZ
Жыл бұрын
The pawn capture was made by a conditional premove. Magnus moved his bishop then captured on the same square with his pawn. The opponent then captured the bishop with his knight. Then automatically the premove occurred.
@Cantor214
Ай бұрын
@@ColinDaviesNZIs this one of those alternative versions of chess like the one Bobby Fischer invented? Does this premove stuff make it more fun?
4:40 Is Rf2 a brilliant, for black?