First thing I noticed is that the veterans were trying to take it at a slower pace with more distancing (a few steps, then stop, a few steps, then stop, etc), while the gamers kept zooming and bunching up. (Drewski also seemed to be a bit impatient with the pace, almost bumping into the vet he was following at times.) Also, the vets you may notice, preferred to crouch most of the time and immediately go prone in a firefight, while the gamers only switched between standing and crouching (almost never going prone) and didn't take cover very well. Now I know why people seem to think I'm too slow when I play these games myself. (Hint: vet here) I like the slower approach based on experience, and I tend to die less often, lol.

@effsixteenblock50

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because for the gamers, there are no real consequences for having less than great opsec. Obviously, the lack of consequences are the same for the vets but - they their opsec is ingrained from experience in the real world.

@SebHaarfagre

Жыл бұрын

I'm a gamer non-vet here but I have OCPD and you're _spot on_ lol :) It's frustrating to me in team games to see all the things my teammates "does wrong" (and even worse if it's me) but that's because of said condition. The thing is, for many it's more of "just a game" and they don't care so much about dying. So they do things that makes them easier to kill. Just think about the number of times someone will peek _THE SAME CORNER_ if you got them zeroed down; "maybe *I* will be the one to kill this enemy even though we don't even know where he is!" :P Edit: Basically; thinking 1 second ahead and not 1 minute; if having the choice, choosing a kill over survival, going back to respawn instead, even when there's a bigger chance to achieve nothing. 36:51 Great example. I expect (and hope) _nobody_ (that I care about) does this in real life. What was he thinking? I wonder. Tunnel visioned, I guess. "Ooh fighting sounds lets go there". No awareness of surroundings or the situation. Even got FF just there just a few seconds before. So TWICE the amount of stupid. (No offense/least amount of offense possible)

@leandrosalexsandrovich179

10 ай бұрын

Slow is smooth; smooth is fast

@fortusvictus8297

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I can take hours to complete a single mission in ArmA for this reason. It just doesn't play well to rush around, and I tend to crouch/sneak everywhere all the time unless moving onto the objective. First time playing multiplayer I was called out for pausing every 100 meters or so for a couple minutes to do an SA check and observe 360...was too slow for the team.

@voidwalker9223

8 ай бұрын

@@effsixteenblock50 there should be a mission where if the players die they get a really bad electric shock from something IRL. Watch everyone play as careful as they can when your body becomes vulnerable to pain IRL lol

You've come such a long way and your videos find a way to be so unique in such a saturated market. You're killing it drew

@d.d.h6749

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he hasnt said the gamer word in the past like joe rogan.

@blang5785

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.d.h6749 what's that got to do with anything??

@Aqueox

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.d.h6749 I couldn't care less if he has. Deal with it.

@d.d.h6749

2 жыл бұрын

@Blang 578 ah my bad, i dont like people being banned over words. I thought the videos he makes are good. nvm my english isnt good enough to explain.

@Smokasaurus

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, mom.

"Leave the mines for 'em" is probably the coolest thing I've heard all week.

@TheVerendus

2 жыл бұрын

Said by someone who quite literally probably said those same words at some point while really there in Vietnam at that time. What a man. ~2:45 for those interested

@seanericcallaghan2548

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheVerendus And then you hear the distant "boom"...highly immersive.

@Owen2108

2 жыл бұрын

Play RS2: Vietnam, plenty cool going on there

@projectjster

2 жыл бұрын

I remember reading the book SOG several years back. Some of these guys would put the toe poppers on a log when they thought they were being tracked. A couple min later they’d hear and explosion and screaming as some VietCongs junk was vaporized.

I love, how these real deal guys are quiet all the time. They communicate only the crucial stuff.

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah we love it in game too. As we’re all close buddies we do get a bit too relaxed and joke about a bit. The op lasts maybe 2 hours so having a bit of crack is part of it. Ken keeps us on task - and it’s a huge honor for us to have him lead us.

MACV-SOG and member of other Special units prior to and after Vietnam passed at the age of 87 this year. RIP Mr. DAVIS

Really wish there was a post op review of what the veteran thought, how it related to his real experience granted there are distinguishing differences between a video game and real life.

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

We always do a chinese parliament / debrief at the end of each mission to review mistakes and tactics and what went well

@Volknir

2 жыл бұрын

What?

@SavageGameDesign

2 жыл бұрын

@@Volknir if you're interested in their opinions and experiences check out our youtube channel - we have a playlist of interviews there

Gotta say that I absolutely love when you play this sim with those gentlemen. Dont know why but it gets to me and I hyper focus on these videos. Good stuff Op D.

I would love to play with the men who were actually on the ground fighting in MACV SOG

@Aqueox

2 жыл бұрын

Ain't it strange though? Like.... These dudes are in their 60's or 70's reliving shit they did in a damn video game. Like... Pac-Man was the shit back then. Now we have stuff like this. It's nuts.

@1234fivedude

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aqueox Yeah imagine that the videogame of your era was just a yellow ball chomping ghosts, now it's a realistic recreation of the environment you fought in for years.

@young7252

2 жыл бұрын

One of my main reasons for joining the military was due to these men who fought the real Vietnam War. I just hope that I can make a difference like they did.

@ceoofsony5924

Жыл бұрын

@@young7252 what difference? Killing a bunch of freedom fighters and my lai massacre?

You are one of the few MilSim youtubers who actually makes interesting and fun videos instead of long borefests. You deserve all the success you have.

Yeah, you playing Arma with veterans of each real wars/conflicts need to be a recurring thing. Awesome!

I've played plenty of fps games with other vet buddies but playing a game like this alongside these legends must be such a humbling experience

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

It’s wild. We played a 7 hour pitched battle with them and drewski last night - when i left at 3am Don had over 500 kills and was still fighting

@dantedemarzo6303

2 жыл бұрын

@@b-52eggbeast88 Jesus Christ that’s ridiculous lmao. I actually just started playing Arma 3 because of this video and I can only imagine how crazy that shit got

Arma 3 needs VR imo, just for headtracking/immersion. Not sure the implementation but damn that'd be dope! Love this stuff, Drew! Keep it coming

@mardukthedarkapostle3504

2 жыл бұрын

Look into track ir, I use it while playing with my clan makes it hello immersive

@Nadaters

2 жыл бұрын

it would be a bit sickening to play VR at 20 fps

@nepnepguythegreatestofall6032

Жыл бұрын

If Onward can somehow turn itself into something like this, I'd be playing it all the time.

This is one of your best videos. A lot of tension, walking in the jungle, hearing voices left and right, and it is hard to see anything. Great game!

@seanshipley8624

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed and his recent f16 dcs video was absolutely amazing

i love Listening to the jocko wilink podcast about SOG warriors and this is dope cuz you get a small look at what it was actualy like for them.

@SavageGameDesign

2 жыл бұрын

that was our plan in designing this - thanks for watching :)

8:20 those grenade launchers popping and exploding is such a good sound alongside the gunfire going up that ridge but I can't imagine how awful it would be being on the other side of it.

@seanericcallaghan2548

2 жыл бұрын

Something we don't often consider; the Laws of War DLC made similar points.

Perhaps wide screen and instead of a black bar add some stats or some of the other teammates POVs, if any of them are also recording gameplay? Great work either way!

@Voron_Aggrav

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't even need to add them, YT works wide-screen ratios, especially on phones that have the same ratio (like mine) it works amazingly, and on monitors that doesn't it'll add the bars itself to conform to your screen

It never ceases to amaze me how you have such an eagle eye, Drewski 🤯 I’m talking about times like 3:25

@StalowyZolw

2 жыл бұрын

Practice, when you know what too look for its way easier to spot things.

@Codsworth_

2 жыл бұрын

its hard for us to see on youtube because of the bitrate, him playing natively at a high resolution helps a lot.

@OperatorDrewski

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely helps when I've got a 32 inch monitor and running ~80+FPS! Also like Hoovah said, youtube's bitrate compression does make it harder to see things in the vid than ingame.

I really like the little detail like the 18rd magazines

the amount of work that was put into this DLC is seriously impressive.

Arma 3 as a video game had been dead since the last official DLC came out in July 2019 until this masterpiece was published as a CDLC.......and by golly by Jove.....did this game spring back to life.....Full credit to Drewski and other players in this walkthrough though for this intense and thoroughly enjoyable gameplay.

Have been reading and listening up on MACVSOG. They did some crazy things. Great video Drew.👍

@TheInfantry98

2 жыл бұрын

They were bad dudes

Literally a rescue mission to retrieve downed pilot. Have several casualties as well as leave a few soldiers at the LZ. Squad leader on comms but we got the pilot right? Damn right he's in the chopper! Mission success in captain price voice

JSYK: 21:9 is supported natively by KZread. People with 16:9 monitors would see it without bars on theater mode & KZread would add black bars by itself in full-screen. If you do ever go 21:9 (gamechanger btw, cant go back to 16:9 myself), pls dont add your own black bars while editing! edit & upload it in its native resolution & aspect ratio!

im from vietnames bro, and i know how the battle is over, bro i learned history

I am always wondering when i come across those kinds of videos. Given that war is literally hell, isn't it traumatizing for those veterans to play a super realistic simulation of the exact same horror they have been in 50 years ago???

@SaladDressing69

2 жыл бұрын

Those guys are so fuckin' legit, having consciously and willingly signed up for and lived through actual insanity, and navigated it so, mental juggernauts with big hearts.

@ggtt2547

2 жыл бұрын

@UrBoiEthan Lol yeah, if i had to choose, i would advice God to bless the millions of their innocent victims all over the world first...

@ggtt2547

2 жыл бұрын

@@SaladDressing69 I don't think war is as fun as you are imagining it, mate. Can't recall whose quote it is, but it goes something like this. In war everyone is a casualty, even the unharmed.

@SaladDressing69

2 жыл бұрын

@@ggtt2547 Where did I say or use the word "fun"? Huh? I don't see it. You're very obviously and annoyingly conflating a sense of admiration and awe with a war-boner. Please get that correct.

@Cplink420

2 жыл бұрын

My grandpa didn't talk a lot about winter war and the continuation war when he was sober, Everytime he was drunk he talked bad things about the russians and how horrible the war was. Looking at his war diary theres a lot of moments he was drunk in the field. Might be because of that. When sober he didn't even seem like he fought in those wars.

YES! I’m so glad you got to do this again!

widescreen with the black bars at the top and bottom like an old western movie would be pretty cool

Please keep doing this stuff. Having guys that were there leading and/or telling stories while doing these missions is awesome content.

Next add toe poppers occasionally as you go, pops turn into stops.

dude I'm loving these Vietnam operations hope you're doing some more

More of this please, i enjoy watching it.

Thanks for bringing history alive with these guys. I love the content.

I think what you’re doing is awesome. Adds a whole new level of respect knowing a small fraction of those those guys must’ve gone through. Hearing the stories from them and seeing them doing interviews/podcasts/livestreams is so cool.

You are very respectful to these older men. Props

Amazing Operation. Well done lads. I was glued to my seat watching every second. Keep up the great content Drewski!!!

Thanks for bringing history alive with these guys. I love the content.. dude I'm loving these Vietnam operations hope you're doing some more.

Drew, I don’t think I’d be alive without you my dude. Thanks for the great content. Keep it up!

I’m bad at memes but Digby is definitely the Spencer meme with a crate of claymores and war crimes lol. “What ya got there” “A smoothie”

Lots of interesting things going on at the same time: they are always on the move, lots of guys make it easier since they all know what they must do, and the amazing sound of grenade launchers going 'whoop whoop' all around. And you are very good man, to see something in that heavy forest and cover them from the rear.

I very much enjoy these operations videos, thank you

Your games seem a lot smoother than ever and keep the fun coming buddy.

damn that firefight at the end was intense

You should do more of these videos with veterans. ITS AWESOME! *also the story’s they talk about*

Great work Drew!! Loved your intro.

Man i love these Vietnam operations, such a cool immersive and scary scenario

They need to make Squad for the Vietnam era

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

There is a squad vietnam mod and burning lands game in dev

Truly amazing gameplay and mission execution. The pros really make the difference, eh? Great Stuff Drew!

Finally got something to watch and enjoy......keep up the great work 🙌 👏 this is officially the best video on KZread 💯💯

Another outstanding video thank you to the Vietnam veterans

Excellent Op and video Drew! 👌

this put me onto watching MACV-SOG documentaries on Vimeo lmao

@hughescrewchief836

2 жыл бұрын

Ghostrider Don Here: Check out Jocko and John "Tilt" Stryker-Meyer's SOGCasts for more MACV-SOG Veteran interviews. Thank you for watching.

That was so freaking cool to watch

I just recently found your videos and I LOVE them! As a veteran myself I truly like watching and listening to your gameplay. One of the things that I really liked in this one, was right in the very beginning when the vietnam vet was giving instructions and he said Im not gonna tell you where to put your men, I'll let you do that....I love how back then they didnt micro-manage every little thing like the Senior NCO's loved to do to us when I was in!

Nice one...just a couple of days ago I caught you streaming on Twitch and asked about tunnels, and here we get some.

"they're so good at this DLC" DLC aka their actual lives lol, watching this again because its so good

Awesome job! Need to grp up with you guys!

Im glad we got another of these

This is the most realistic southeast asian jungle I've ever seen

I love how the plan was to avoid contact but then just two minutes after insertion they're engaged.

@SavageGameDesign

2 жыл бұрын

yep the NVA had trackers waiting for us... plan adjusted...

i didnt even know there were people still slive that were in macv sog this is incredible

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

Check out savage game youtube channel for loads of interviews

This is so lifelike, the reality is amazing...!

Like how the chapters at the end describe how bad its getting in the gun fight Edit: "Yum Yum Explosives" - Digbe

What an amazing experience

Every video you upload makes me want to watch purely because of the awesome variety of content you offer.

awesome bro keep up the good work bro

Bruh 37:38 was so damn cinematic

Drewsky over the years your editing has gotten so much better and oh my God is it at Peak right now

That was an awesome video loved it

damn, i was looking forward to watch some more drewski videos to get some inspiration on future ops.

We need back some more amazing operations

Well 16:9 is Widescreen! :D You young Whippersnappers these days, I remember how cool it was when they first came out and what an improvement they were over old 4:3! Sitting in front of my 34-inch 21:9...not the biggest, but yeah those make a big difference, especially in racing and to a degree in Flightsimming. What has made a difference there though, is mainly the much better contrast rating (4000:1) and much higher DPI (109) than my old 24-inch 16:9 screen (79). Oh and the much less blue-light, funny the screen is brighter, but it's much less straining on the eyes. And no you should not turn off the lights in the room, too hard on your eyes.

Another gem of awesomeness 👍

Love these videos! You have inspired me to buy my first PC. Keep em coming

I love all of your content Drewski. But I have to say Arma in Vietnam is my absolute favorite!

MORE OF THIS!!

Some would say this ratio is perfect for war footage

Let's Go! Fantastic content. Honestly priceless.

Been wanting to do stuff like this with my mates, too bad they don't got the S.O.G. But great content.

At that time people only think about deadly ennemies but there were also deadly animals on that jungle along with the deadly traps set by the ennemies. That due climbing a 50% slope hill but a 85 kg dude on his shoulders is a beast. Imagine doing this in real life!

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

Didnt do it in combat but ive run 9 miles alternating carrying or being carried many time in the marines reserves. We trained for it til it was just normal.

18:28 that's Tom from Tom and Jerey lol

his intros have been on point recently. keep pushin p

watching this at 2am. the ambaince of the jungle made me fall asleep but then you got some engaement.

I love the clear cut from Digby ZF and serious digby XD

I really wish they'd make games like this for console 🥲 my dad is a Vietnam veteran, M60 gunner who was in Hue City and Khe Sahn during the tet offensive.

@SavageGameDesign

2 жыл бұрын

one day we hope to

Always love the videos keep it up

If you haven't yet you should read the S.O.G. books..

This is so dope

I say go wide-screen most people don't even notice the black bars after a while and as someone already suggested you could put stats in or something. Enjoy your content keep it up.

I love your Vietnam Arma videos

WE NEED MORE!

the ending fight wass nuts boi

THAT, was extremely entertaining.

Terrific! Really enjoyed this Drew. The one thing that the sound didnt capture (mean I got it from the video) is the mosquitoes. If you put your ground sheet over your head, they'd congregate inside and it sucked. Then again, I am slightly deaf so may be missing it. Being out there gave me the willies. You know that scene from Stones 'Platoon'? The ambush. When the flares came down they were on parachutes, and would rock to and fro, it'd look like every shadow was moving like that. I read a book once about a Union soldier in the Civil war who stabbed a tree stump with a bayonet thinking it was a Confederate. That stuff doesn't change much!

3:04 the scream 🤣

He turned his E3 demo camera on for this one.

Love this dlc. Me and 2 of my bros are playing threw this dlc. Think we are on the last 2 missions

@b-52eggbeast88

2 жыл бұрын

Good luck on oscar 8!!

Love your videos

Well technically speaking you can use a widescreen monitor and record just 16:9 footage of the centre.

Playing with vets, that is - amazing. I'd love to hear their stories yet alone reenact them realistically!

@MemeDogger

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, every precise moment from what? 50+ years ago, yeah right, who has the memory for that?

Get the wide screen monitor. The bars will give it a cinematic feel ....... no problem.