It looks like you have one of the earliest HyperDrives. These were originally installed *exclusively* at GCC headquarters, largely because of the complexity of installation and their understanding with Apple re: warranties. Later, they made it possible for authorized service centers to do the installation so that people did not have to ship their Macs to Massachusetts and wait a week or two to get it back. Fun fact: the HyperDrive was already in development as a side project while GCC was still focused on developing games for Atari. They'd already taken a prototype out to Cupertino to show it to Jobs, who informed them Apple was working on a HDD Mac but it would be at least 2 years down the road. Predictably, he hated the fan and wasn't interested in outsourced hardware development. But apparently he thought it would be good for Mac sales in the interim, thus the tacit approval of this 3rd party mod. When Atari was bought out, the game projects were suddenly cancelled and GCC management pivoted immediately to focus on the HyperDrive rollout to keep the company going.

@adriansdigitalbasement

4 жыл бұрын

That's a fascinating bit of history! Funny that Apple's first machine with an internal drive ended up having a fan too. LOL! I can only imagine how much fighting Jobs did to not have a fan -- and I guess the engineers won. Back in the Mac SE days, we had a GCC laser printer at home that used a SCSI interface. It was so much cheaper because the Mac did all the resterization and then transferred the image directly to the printer and laser. Interesting stuff as a way to create a cheap but still good laser printer, so clearly GCC was a pretty ingenious.

@carlg5838

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think the story of how they got into the laser printer business next is on the internet somewhere, but they saw a clear opportunity with the introduction of a low cost laser print engine for OEM use. An interesting parallel between the HyperDrive add-on design and GCC's earliest roots is that they got their start as a company with Super Missile Attack - a unique plug-in/clip-on piggyback circuit board that they sold direct to arcade console owners (Missile Command). Also, GCC software engineers were so enamored of the new Mac GUI that they ported over and released Super Missile Attack as their first (only?) game for the Macintosh, even before HyperDrive was in development.

@garfieldepicmoments

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlg5838 Do you have a link to the Mac version of Super Missile Attack? I can't find it anywhere.

20:30 "This is just ridiculous, if this thing breaks I'm never opening this computer up again, it's just gonna be a doorstop" - my thoughts every time I work on one of my Compact Macs

@johnpriceuk

2 жыл бұрын

Compact Macs can be a harsh mistress for sure

I was the one who uploaded the disk images, manual, and (partial) installation manual to Macintosh Garden (and the floppy disk labels & bucket sticker, if you're so inclined to print them out.) I'm really glad someone actually found them useful. :) You should try version V3R1, and if that doesn't work, try V2R1. If you're running a stock Macintosh 512k, V3R2 may not work. It specifically states in the manual that it's only intended for the 512ke and Plus with a 128K ROM. HyperDrive isn't too uncommon, but a WORKING HyperDrive is. So cool to see yours working. Mine is still in its factory box, I've been waiting for the perfect 512k in which to install it. Preferably, I'd like to use a CNC to cut out windows like in the picture of the Macworld demo machine.

Always remember to park the heads on these old drives before shutdown. ALWAYS

@_zzpza

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! The wisdom I received back in the day was not just for preventing mechanical damage if you were to move the machine, but also to mitigate any spurious signals from the heads as the controller powers down. My Amstrad 1512 (XT clone, so different OS) had a hardcard and I used to have a 'park.com' application that I used to run before I turned the machine off.

@laharl2k

5 жыл бұрын

Adrian Black Why not make one then? I doubt youd need more than 20 lines of code.

@MichaelAStanhope

5 жыл бұрын

Running the shutdown command on the special menu likely parks the drive automatically or it may have auto parking built into the controller. Mac’s never used MFM hard drives so hopefully the company who made this fiasco included parking somewhere in their software.

@_zzpza

5 жыл бұрын

@@adriansdigitalbasement There's a very slim chance the drive has auto-park (but it was a surprisingly late feature). For example Seagate had the feature on an MFM drive from 1991 had auto-park. ftp://ftp.seagate.com/techsuppt/mfm/st251.txt So other manufacturers were doing it on MFM drives.

@Alexis_du_60

5 жыл бұрын

@@_zzpza yep pretty much also any voice-coil MFM HDD (such as the ST-4096 [80MB 5.25 Full height monster] and some old Microscience hard drives) could automatically park itself as the servo retracted the heads.

That MFM Card + Parallel zip drive was an amazing MacGyver solution

@KaroKoenich

5 жыл бұрын

More like a Prof. Hubert Farnsworth doomsday device :-)

I never had a Macintosh from that era, but I was fascinated by the tear-down and repair that you performed! You have amazing skill.

Regarding the missing "Format" button, in some Mac software, "advanced" features are sometimes hidden by default, requiring you to hold down either ⌘ (Command) ⌥ (Option) ⇧ (Shift) or a combination of the above (i.e. Command+Option) while (in your case) pulling down the "Test/Initialize" menu and choosing the "Initialize Disk" menu option. Give that a try and that missing "Format" button might magically appear.

@hermannschaefer4777

5 жыл бұрын

Well, the number keys to select the SCSI-ID is in fact correct and documented. Never worked for me, but it is in the code.. :D

@hermannschaefer4777

5 жыл бұрын

Just noticed: It's Command-Option-Shift+# to select the ID, command-option-shift-delete to deselect selected (PRAM) ID

Loved the VHS intro. Loved the fact that you just don't give up on this little guy. :)

Ah, the comforting whine of an MFM hard drive :-) Takes me straight back to when I used an XT in the mid 90's (happy days). I love the mod and the fact that someone made it in the first place. How exciting it must have been at the time. Great series and I hope the drive works for ages. Cheers.

I'm so glad that all our modern hardware doesn't require any sort of prying

@SloopyJohnG

5 жыл бұрын

Prying is a software function these days.

@greggv8

5 жыл бұрын

In the late 90's I worked in a shop that did warranty service on all the big PC brands. It was when Dell and Micron used the same case, except for minor front panel differences. The side was held on by one plastic headed thumbscrew, a latch top and bottom, and a huge amount of friction. The first few times removing the panels on those were very difficult. I kept a special tool on the bench just for them - a claw hammer. Loosen the captive thumbscrew. Push the latches inward and slide the panel as far as it would allow, which was *just enough* to keep the latches disengaged. It was also just enough room to insert the hammer's claw between the back lip of the panel and the back of the case. POP! No struggle, no marks on the case. I took to calling those the claw hammer case. On site service call for a Micron or Dell? Hammer went with me.

@AgentOffice

4 жыл бұрын

@@greggv8 literal prying

I live for this stuff. Thank you for posting!

You're commentary is excellent and keeps me interested

Yes when I was 6 switching disks on a mac like that was so fun!!! 6 times just to run paint program!!! I wish I had 2 drives too. haha Love it!!!

@carlosbragatto

5 жыл бұрын

To avoid that, you'd simply needed to have a barebones bootable system disk with the app (the paint program or in Adrian's case, the Hyperdrive app) on the very same disk. But then on a 400K drive it would be very complicated.

"enter System Password" .... * types System Password * ooooooooooooomgg!

Always enjoy your videos of classic old IT hardware.

This... Brings back a ton of memories.

Thanks for the video. The single floppy disk hell brought back many memories of hundreds of disc swaps. Talk about long seek times...

Who could ever thumb down this nice work??

Well done you have infinite patience and are good just to watch. You even show the fails and we see how you overcame them.

I ❤ this channel, Adrian Black you should have a medal for your work in preserving old computers 🥇👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Adrian: "It's all super dangerous." Adrian, one second later: "Let's turn this on."

Another machine saved, nicely done! I don't know if I'll run into retro Macs anytime soon, but that tip about the bootstrap resistor on the SMPS is priceless for anyone trying to save old machines.

My first computer had no HDD and only one floppy disk drive. So swapping floppies was a recurring theme. :D

I really adore your patience. Nice video!

My SE/30 has an old 230MB Quantum ProDrive in it that I installed in 1998. Every time I turn it on I wonder how much longer it's got...... it's still kickin' as of today :)

@kpanic23

5 жыл бұрын

Those Quantum ProDrives are quite reliably. There's only one problem plaguing the series: When they park their heads, the head stack hits a rubber bumper endstop underneath the platters. This rubber bumper tends to deteriorate and turn back into crude oil. As a result the heads stick to the bumper, with the head actuator not having enough force to free them.

Great video. I love these old MFM drives. Thanks

@pintoguy

2 жыл бұрын

By the way, I have the original set of the Hyperdrive floppies fyi

It was good to hear the frustration in your voice as you worked on this funky Mac. I can totally relate. I've worked on computers professionally for 30 years, and recently started getting into some retro tech. It's unbelievably frustrating sometimes! But two great things about it: it's more satisfying once you get it working, and it makes you appreciate how easy computers are to work on now.

This introduction brought to you by the year 1990! :D Glad to see you return to this one, man!

Always entertaining, and informative. Thanks, Adrian!

And YES!, we want to see the HD overhaul!

I don't even have a Mac and I watched the whole thing. Great analysis Adrian.

DUDE. You used a Compudyne to image that drive? ...You are officially my hero.

@bradleybenson916

3 жыл бұрын

I have that exact Compudyne 386 and haven't been able to find any info on it at all. I'd love to know what the dip which settings are.

Putting that thing back together looked like a nightmare. I’m glad I have my HD20 :)

Great job! The slow and steady approach is the only way with old machines. I have an original Mac with a RAM/SCSI add-on that has a rat's nest of soldered wires. I slid the logic board out as it was meant to with much scraping and fear. I broke a couple of connections and had to repair them. I never even thought of popping the logic board out of the tracks that way.

Yes please a drive repair/rebuild video!

Good hack. FYI.. the bad sound was the drive head stepper pulling to zero to reset the head position. Not a bad noise.

Great Video! I have one when I was in College, good all days.

Yes please Adrian, more videos of you fixing drives!!

yes, it would be great to see the floppy drive servicing.

21:40 The misspelt caption takes us back to the problem with the supplementary power supply: It had Volt lag.

“This is all super dangerous, so let’s turn this on.” Quote of the day.

Wow! This floppy swapping is crazy ridiculous! Anyway, great video!

@mrkitty777

5 жыл бұрын

Disk Jockey 😛

Back in the early 90s I had one of these and sold all the parts out of it. I had glass cut and used silicone to create a tank. It had scenery, gravel, plants, air pump and a battery powered fluorescent light. Kept neons in it on my desk at work. I remember I modified the front of the case so it would just slip off if you pulled it forward for easy maint.

Nice! Loved it Adrian.

I had a Radius Accelerator on a MacPlus. Yes, you set it against the rail, then bend it out. After 15~20 tries, the mother board got smoother, and the side bracket got smoother. You did very well. Later, I had a 512k Fat mac 1Mb, with the daughter card. Same thing.

I like this video, great that everything works. If you ever get where the drive doesn’t work, just keep all the parts, that Mac 512e is definitely a museum piece’. I worked at Apple dealers for 9 years, And I remember having to spread the bottom of the chassis for some machines that had add in hardware and that was the only way to get the motherboard out. It made me cringe seeing you do that and I’m sure I cringed a bit when doing it myself. I’m sure there’s not many of those old drives still working so it’s great to see one in operation.

A hard drive would just be absolutely to making these early Mac's worthwhile. I can't imagine swapping disks like that as a normal user.

Back in the day when I was running a BBS, there was a utility floating around that would allow for a second HD controller in your PC. Specifically you had to tape over the IRQ contact on the card edge, boot and have the driver in config.sys and you'd get a 3rd and 4th drive through PIO access. I used it to support an MFM drive beside a couple IDE drives in my 'SAN', aka a PC booting to DOS and running Interlink to share the drives via LPT to the BBS machine.

@denshi-oji494

5 жыл бұрын

Also back into day, people uses he same tape over contact trick to use and switch between multiple monitor sets color/monochrome on separate cards too. interlink and intersvr were great! every once in a while I still use them with a parallel cable to transfer data between old machines.

@denshi-oji494

5 жыл бұрын

Adrian Black 4 hard drives, I could never understand why the IBM world went the way it did with floppy drive support. prior to that 4 floppies was very normal and common, just setting switches or jumpers on each drive to match the number it should be and respond to commands over the straight flat cable from the controller. It seems someone in the IBM world felt it too difficult to change jumpers, so they messed up the system by twisting the cable so you can leave the drive alone, and each plug on the cable, which now is limited to 2-drive support, is wired differently to place the second drive signal on the 1st drive pins for the 2nd drive to work.

Awesome, as always! I would love to see a video on servicing disk drives!

GCC! The creators of Ms. Pac-Man, Charley Chuck's Food Fight, and the Atari 7800 ProSystem console, amongst many other cool things...

21:40 - "DANGER! HIGH VOTLAGE!" - Good Avdice!

"Hopefully nothing explodes?!" hahah yeah, i hope so too, Adrian!! Great video!

9:45 in 1996 when I bought my Pentium 75 I installed DOS, Windows 3.1, and MS Office 4.3 from floppies. That's 2 (or was it 3?) floppies for DOS, 11 floppies for Windows and 40 or so floppies for Office. And that's besides all the other floppies required for all the drivers and what not. This machine had a CD drive too, but it was still basically impossible to get any of that software on CD because they wanted to be backwards compatible. It just never stopped being annoying having to swap floppies, and even less fun when you knocked over the stack and they all fell on the floor. Floppies were great in the early 80s when everything could fit on a single disk, but the CD really didn't come a moment too soon. And then of course we got programs and games that used multiple CDs because they too became too small

injoy your vids nice work it alive

Love Your Work!

GCC (General Computer Corporation) is the same company that created Ms. Pac-Man and the Atari 7800. One of the guys from GCC (I'm blanking on his name) spoke at PRGE 2017. I talked with him later and he told me that when they were getting ready to show this very device to Jobs, Apple engineers swore up and down that it was impossible to put a hard drive in that system. So much for impossible.

I really enjoyed this video. My first "real" computer (after a ZX-80 and a ZX-81) was a Mac 128k, later upgraded with a third-party 1024k board, 128k ROMs, and an HD20 and a second 400k floppy drive. Ran MS Word 3.01, Canvas (nice graphics program that combined the functionality of MacPaint and MacDraw, only better), Turbo Pascal (yes, they had a version for the Mac, sadly abandoned after version 1.01), and various games and lots of other stuff. Good times. 😊

I do not blame you if it becomes a door stop, that is such a iffy solution for that kit

HIGH VOTLAGE! 😀Thanks again for another amazing video man.

@MrKeebs

5 жыл бұрын

@@adriansdigitalbasement sounds very fancy and french to me :)

great work!

On my bench is a 128k w/ 2mb Levco MonsterMac card - my family got it in 1984, and for quite a while it was just a plain 128k with no external drives... yeah, swapping floppies got old fast. Eventually we got an external 10mb hard drive (hooked to the serial port - you had to boot off of a special floppy to get it going).

Wow that 512 is lightning fast to boot with a hard drive in it

Amazfit Bip for the win!

That was a lot of "DJ-ing". Good job! :)

Like it a lot. Nice video, and yes we want to see yoy servicing a Sony floppy disk drive lol

Love the intro look!

Adrian's videos serve to remind me why is not a good idea to buy any vintage hardware - with stuff over 30 years old, would very likely wind up with something that has problems to where would be in water way over my head

@adriansdigitalbasement

4 жыл бұрын

It's true -- this old stuff can be very very difficult. Some more than others ... Like for the C64, you may just be better off buying a C64 MAXI and saving yourself the headaches. LOL

if your scsi controller has an external bus with db25 connector (or 50 with adapter) you can hook up an original scsi iomega zip drive and boom, from scsi to scsi with faster imaging speeds than parallel (and I think more reliable because of the scsi comm protocol)

Anytime I see that Macintosh I always think of the movie Blank Check.

Of course! I would like to see all the videos about the Sony disk drives ^^

Yep, a video about servicing the drive would be nice :-)

MacsBug was a powerful debugger/disassembler for older Macs. (Incidentally, the “Macs” in MacsBug had nothing to do with the name Macintosh.) Normally, if you pressed the Programmer’s Switch, you’d invoke a simple built-in debugger, which supported a few precious commands that didn’t let you do much. With MacsBug installed, your computer turned into a powerful development/debugging tool. You could even recover some data from a crash (i.e. a bomb screen). (You could basically dump memory contents into a file.) I loved it and had it installed on all of my machines.

Great to see that weird contraption back together and working :) On these drives only the cylinders (by the amount of steps the head actuator has to do from first to last track) and the amount of heads are physically defined. The amount of sectors every cylinder is divided into is up to the controller. On standard PC MFM controllers, it's 17 sectors per track. For most RLL controllers it would be 26. You can actually format an MFM hard drive with an RLL controller, resulting in about 50% more free space. It's up to the media quality how (long-time-) stable this combination is. RLL drives are actually the same drives as their MFM brethren, with a better (tested) quality surface medium. Hence it's totally possible, that this Mac controller board is only using 16 sectors per track. Maybe due to a limitation of the old System 3.2 suporting only 16 sectors? Just guessing there.

Cool! That would have been wild to see an ST-225 working on a Mac 512k! ;)

8:27 I really got the feeling that you wanted your last step documented here, in case you didn't make it out alive :D

I'm hooked, subbed!

Your description of the iterative process of making the old computer work made me laugh - I've done the same so many times, multiple trips to the parts bin, the end result a hodgepodge that is lucky to work long enough to do what is needed. If only it wasn't so fun - As to the Hyperdrive machine - check out the MFM Emulators that are available. Pricey but brings the old iron into the 21st century - you can boot up from USB stick or Memory Card.

loved IT

When my quantum bigfoot drive failed I switched to a parallel port ZIP drive for a while. The SCSI ZIP drive is a great HDD option for Mac Plus since the machine isn't that fast to start with.

i want to meet the person that gives your vids thumbs down , cause your vids R flawless at least from this angle

That MFM HDD: *works after 30+ years of use* My pc hdd: *Starts to make weird noises and to freak out after 4 years of use*

@brianv2871

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that drive hasn't gotten 30 years of use, and MFM drives (specifically ones configured as RLL) were notoriously bad. That said, i get your point about current drives, spinning hard disks never got to be a super reliable tech. Some are better than others, but overall, their death can be pretty random.

@geoffreed4199

5 жыл бұрын

@@brianv2871 the biggest problem that seagate and other drive manufacturers had with "RLL" drives was they used the same amplifiers that they used onthe MFM drives but ran them at the edge of frequency spec or just plain out of spec, and they'd last a while then burn up . Seagate and Miniscribe also used a bad lubricant (IIRC) that could actually thicken on the platter and cause the heads to stick to the platters making the drives not spin up, seagate spent a lot of $ denying "Stiction" (Static Friction) affected their drives, a fairly reliable way to fix the seagates was to open the enclosure in a clean hood or clean room and flush the mechanism with nitrogen . it might cease to spin up eventually but allowed you to get your data off the drive and from then on you just didn't use it for anything critical. BTW: Just a little pedantry on my part, MFM and RLL are BOTH forms of RLL (Run Length Limited) encoding, just ';RLL' using a higher frequency to read/write data, then you have the Perstor controllers using ARLL at an even highter FREQ causing drives to fail even faster.

and I thought the kaypro with its dual floppy drives was a joke, but looking at a single floppy mac, it just makes sense why all the old machines had two

@Captain_Char

5 жыл бұрын

Personally, this is just me I think, but I would look into an SD card replacement for the hard disk

i liked the video, thumbs up.

Yes, I would like to see a video for servicing the Sony disk drive.

Try opening the Hyperdrive disk utility in ResEdit. You'll be able to see all of the data structures inside the program, one of which are dialog boxes. IIRC the resource is called DLOG, which if you double click on will show the dialog box IDs and you can search for the one which is supposed to have the "format" button. You can then see if the button actually exists and is hidden or disabled. There should be flags and such for every button and you can sometimes force them to be enabled. It's a gamble if it will work or not, I used to have to do such things for buggy applications. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and sometimes it causes erratic behavior.

If at first you don't screw down the hard drive, pry pry again.

Yes please on that sony drive reservicing video!

also, you need to make sure the hyperdrive and the card you used to format the drive in the PC use the SAME controller chip. can't low level a MFM HDD on a DTC chip and have it work on a WD 1010 or 2010, likewise other MFM chips used in other controllers (like some of the weird radio shack ones that used bit slice processors instead of a dedicated HDD controller chip)

What a nightmare trying to get that 20 MB drive to work! I never personally used MFM drives, I always went with SCSI in my early equipment, and switched to IDE later on in the nineties. It was more expensive, but seemed to work much better.

@denshi-oji494

5 жыл бұрын

There were also SCSI to MFM controllers that the first MFM drive was LUN 0, and the second MFM drive was LUN 1. I will say it was definitely the easiest way to use an MFM drive by far! It also then allowed for more advanced features from the combined drive sub-system.

I bet disk swapping on one of these never got old.

@Jackpkmn

5 жыл бұрын

The disk swapping would not have been as extreme was it was in this example in most normal use situations because the software disk you used would boot the computer. So you would only be swapping disks while saving or loading your work.

_NICE_

Anyone know how to adjust tracking in KZread? 😁

@AdamChristensen

5 жыл бұрын

CTRL + ALT + Left or Right Arrow 😈

@vwestlife

5 жыл бұрын

Fake "VHS camcorder" digital video effects aren't even remotely close to how the real thing looks. And it isn't even that difficult to find a working VHS camcorder and capture video from it, as this video demonstrates: kzread.info/dash/bejne/a5x6mduml7Gzj9I.html

@cbmeeks

5 жыл бұрын

Reach behind your monitor...there should be V-HOLD and H-HOLD knobs. Keep turning them until the picture is stable... Wait....you mean your monitor doesn't have V-HOLD and H-HOLD?

@colonelgraff9198

3 жыл бұрын

Alt-F4

First phone support question: "Is it plugged in?"

Adrian! did you remove the post it paper attached to the Hdd?? 22:14 great video!

@ArreglandoCosas

5 жыл бұрын

Ahh ok! Just checking! Great videos! Keep on!

Hi Adrian! Another cool video, I really enjoy the old Mac stuff. Most important question: What is DNR @ Eight? I assume some kind of foodie program?

Dang! I've been wanting to use that camcorder effect for a while. You beat me to the punch. ;) This hard drive install was a great challenge. I thought you had it there for a sec with your ZIP drive solution. A challenge to revisit on another day, I suppose. Great try, though!

IDE XT ISA 8bit can be used simultaneously with MFM 8bit hard disk controllers :)

@intel386DX

5 жыл бұрын

@@adriansdigitalbasement no problem not only that but with a modified IDE XT BIOS you can bring up boot menu and choose to boot from any IDE or MFM in the system :)

Reassembly reminded me of the "MrPuzzle" channel

"These errors are very nonsensical!" Welcome to Mac OS pre-System 7. :D

I have the same Mac 512k setup (with with GCC HyperDrive. I actually made a short video of it back in 2012 (search KZread for "GCC HyperDrive Macintosh 512k" to see it). My power supply still works fine now in July 2019; however, it's been more than 30 years since it was made and surely time to replace the electrolytic capacitors on it. I've been working on a Mouser list over the past few day. You may wish to consider the same. Having stable power to the hard drive will help ensure it doesn't up and die one day due to a power glitch.