This is genious stuff. With charcoal you wont have a tar issue. Thanks for the video.

Great job.

Very cool I see a big advantage of using bio char simple because of the clean fuel with less particulates and tars being a drier fuel I’m thinking heavy steal retort bottle the gas in tanks with a transfer pump make Bouchard to run the generator free energy thanks

This is brilliant, and I think there are enough videos out there showing how easy it is to make charcoal with the retort container. And the, yeah, then you have a smaller, simpler, clean-burning gasifier. Are you familiar with the term "steam punk"? It's what hipsters in the city refer to doing modern things using old-timey technology. This device is as steam punk as it gets, and with the right marketing and price point you could sell these like hot cakes. Just how "craft beer" took off, this is "craft energy"...and it's green tech, so it hits that sweet spot. This allows every hipster (not just homesteader) to own their own refinery and off grid power station. The day is coming when you will not be able to make these fast enough (which is also too bad because it'll be tech like this that saves civilization... and there won't be enough gasifiers to go around). We should meet up sometime and chat about a business plan. I live in Chicago but I pass through/near Muskegon on my way to Northern Michigan a lot. Congrats, too. I refer to you to my friends as the "Elon Musk of gasifiers", and then they ask "what's a gasifier?"

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

Nice I did note you have some marketing expertise. Yeah anytime stop on by :)

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I want this thing in Lowes , Home Depot, Bass Pro, Cabelas etc. it is designed for mass production. We have resources here to have this mass produced.

Alot easier than a regular gasifier.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

Tons easier and I dont never ever have to worry if it made tar or not.

Did you use a hydraulic reservoir for the box? If you could can explain more about the dust filter. Who makes them and what they are used for normally? Really nice build thanks for sharing the video.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

No I make everything from scratch. I am a manufacturer. This is a prototype the M-1 Standard no longer has filter onboard. However the M-1 Utility does and it has a bag filter inside at the backside internally. it is a felt bag with a silica cloth liner we custom make. However any user can make them quite easily at home. We use a package stapler to mend the seams of the bag to create it. The materials are very cheap. for around 30 bucks you will have enough to last you a life time.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the new ones have a hinged lid for loading in fuel. I was trying to cut cost with this arrangement but its way to cumbersome to load fuel in it. The filter is eliminated to make room for more fuel and I have also expanded it out 2 inches to the sides for added fuel capacity. The filter for this unit is now external and we offer our pancake filter for it. It uses felt sandwiched between two manifolds. (inlet / outlet) you can stack this filter as well. You can make a bag filter like we do out of a steel 5 gallon pale. We will create a thread on our forum to show you how to make this once I have the parts to make one.

Thats awesome, nice one ... can i ask do you have a video about what it looks like on the inside?. Id like to know whats going on please.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

If you look at the outside you can easily figure out how its made. If you think there is more going on inside there, you are over complicating it. Its an open vessel inside with an air jet sticking inside it. Its really that simple.

@DiyEcoProjects

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid oh ok... interesting thank you. Cool :)

Doesn't get any more compact or easy to get running as that. Nice design, Matt. Is the filter washable? and about how often does it need to be cleaned?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

you just blow it out with compressed air. It depends on how well you screen the fuel. The dust you put in the machine the less you need to mess with the filter. If you screen the fuel it will probably get you a few days. its easy to clean, you dont really need to wash it. Just dump it out and put it back in.

@nhhbbyloggr5022

4 жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid Have you taken a temperature reading of the gas by the time it gets to the engine? Sure does eliminate most of the problems associated with gasifying wood for fuel. Probably lose a little " potency " though, eh?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

@@nhhbbyloggr5022 The cooling is done via the hose. It is still hot but for what this gasifier is, it works. With steam injection charcoal blows direct wood gas away. Its actually more powerful gas. The Fusion charcoal gasifier has a cyclone filter, gas cooler, and a larger bag filter and all are easily accessible via the lids. It will be standard with direct steam injection. I am fully scrapping direct wood gas this year. The new Fusion will take the place of the higher end machines with full automation.

How long time working this with 10liter of black wood?

I run a tree service in Wisconsin. We will be building a new shop on vacant land. Can these units be banked together to run a larger generator? Of course I have lots of raw product, can the exhaust from a wood boiler be used in the charcoal production thus reducing the smoke of the combustion. Also, can wood chips that we produce in tree services be efficiently made into charcoal? I would love our natural work waste to become the fuel. Thanks

@Thrive-Off-Grid

Жыл бұрын

See my latest videos. This machine was one of the first protos and you need a bigger gasifier than this. And yes our machines are the only ones on market with networking capability. You can team three units together. This triples your fuel cap plus scales up your application size. You can also parallel the inverter generators together and run both of them off of a single teamed system. See my latest video posted tonight on this.

@kevinhammatgameoftrees7080

Жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid thank you for the answer, can it be tapped into a natural gas generator on my house and switch back and forth with the grid gas?

Good video....That looks like a great product you've got there; very close to what I've been looking for. But you've got one thing off. Making wood into charcoal first, to fuel it, is a mistake. *By definition* the making of charcoal involves starved-air combustion, and the evolution of Hydrogen and Carbon Monoxide, which are the fuel gases that a Gasifier is intended to extract. Charcoal can produce substantially less of them than the raw wood to begin with. Most Gasifiers will work just fine on the raw wood. What prevents yours from doing so? More soot? More moisture or condensation? Those are fixable issues, and well worth it to eliminate the wasteful and extraneous step of producing the charcoal first. Also, if you will put a copper coil around the burn tube inside the box, to recover excess heat into a water heater/boiler/distiller, you can make this device a lot more useful. How hot do the outsides of the box get? A little bit of insulation might be in order. But I'm likely to buy a unit; its closer to what I want than anything else I see on the market.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

You do realize I am the second largest manufacturer in the United States right? We built direct wood gassers for over 10 years and built some the most advanced machines to exist in this space. I have my own technologies that are very advanced. My reactors will never emit combustion gases into the raw fuels hopper. This development is a huge deal as the fuel never gets wet or sticky in the hopper. But anyways.... Do not take charcoal at face value; that is your first mistake. (See further in my channel) Both processes require energy and both processes will generate waste. They both have pros and cons. If you use the heat from your kiln the charcoaling process is not a waste at all. We heat our shop with our kiln. I dont even look at it as making charcoal I look at it as I would a wood stove and that charcoal is basically a byproduct of heating our shop. Additionally prepping fuel for the kiln is quite easy and fast much like prepping fire wood. Running the kiln is about the same as running an ordinary wood stove. Now factor in that water drip. Most of that energy you spent making the charcoal you get back. The water drip feeds ordinary water into the jet and is flashed to steam. That steam is then cracked like any other gasification process into H2 and CO. You can also add in saw dust and other waste with charcoal for additional reclaim. All this you can not do with a direct wood gasifier. Turbo chargers are now also an option as no direct wood gasifier is except from tar at least at this scale. If it can happen it will. No tar in a turbo it will fail. Now manufacturing and cost. The market simply is not willing to pay for the cost of a commercially built direct woodgas system. They must be automated in order to self sustain. Physics simply can not be overcome with out it. The grate is going to clog, the fuel is going to bridge, gas energy density will oscillate all this is going to happen. The automation I offer to combat all this plus automatic ignition with electronic AFR mixer cost about 1/3 of the machine and adds a ton of complexity both to the machines and to manufacture it. Then you have a much more complex unit verses a charcoal system. Charcoal systems are much simpler, they are more compact, they run stable without automation, tar is not an issue, much less complex to manufacture. fuel production is much less labor intensive, ( Ill trade the labor for a little inefficiency any day). If you ever run a small chipper on a gasifier to produce gas for itself you will learn very quick charcoal is not all that much more inefficient. Charcoal does not require large expensive equipment. Just a kiln made of barrels, an electric chainsaw, chop saw what ever. Finally cost to consumer is far less. The machine is simpler to operate, tar is not an issue, power with the water drip gives you more power than a direct gasser and more. These machine are not yesterdays machines they are what is developed now today. We will continue on with charcoal systems and advance the development in the charcoaling processes with combining it with CHP and refrigeration. The water drip system will become electronically controlled with super heated steam systems and direct injection. We can now turbo the engines we run and will exceed direct wood gas system in both power and over all efficiency. Ive already done my part in the direct wood gas world. However, I feel charcoal is by far better technology and is much more fail safe for our consumers.

@PressToDigitate

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid Tar should be considered a resource rather than a problem. As Mr. Teslonian (See Channel) and others have demonstrated, fractional distillation into useful quantities of practical liquid fuels is certainly feasible, even at the small scale. Humor me. What would go wrong if wood chips were used in this system instead of Charcoal? If condensing the [heavier] liquid Hydrocarbons out of the gas stream is the only issue, I can accommodate that. I have a suitable generator, new, never used, which can be tested to destruction to come up with the integrated system I'm looking to build. BTW: Are you familiar with Paul Pantone's ("GEET") work on in-situ fuel reforming? Used on these gensets, it breaks down the tar (and lesser liquids) to Methane, Hydrogen and COH2 - without expending any additional energy to do so. Thank you for responding.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

​@@PressToDigitate Yes Im familiar with booth of them. No one that I have heard of has a geet that works and the dude is doing for time for fraud. MrTeslonians "gasifiers": will not work, they do not have a proper reduction system, restriction core now enough depth in order for all the reactions wot take place. Direct raw fuels gasification for engine grade is a process and its not there on any of his builds. If you put raw fuels in the charcoal unit; it will most likely just smoke, if you did get an engine to run it would not be for long as the intake valve would seize up from tar. A charcoal gasifier is very different than a direct raw fuels gasifier. Its just a jet poking into the charcoal. The reduction process is immediate and local to the oxidation process. Verses direct gasifier, you have a fermenting stage > Pyrolysis Stage > Oxidation stage> thermal cracking stage and then the reduction stage. Without these processes in place engine grade gas is unlikely. Making tar on purpose you are better off using the kiln process and yes you can make kerosene. If you make any tar in your engine grade gasifier it simply is not engine grade and you will ruin your engine. You can not filter tar it is impossible at this level. Tar is dropped throw-out your filter process in many grades. Mr Teslonian may know this as he seems to understand oil refining. But anyways, the tar and soots are carried in the gas in " gas suspension" The gas is under vacuum lowering the due points. Some tar will drop early (this is the tar you may see in your filter) but other more refined grades will drop later. Those later tars are the valve stickers and that grade of tar will not drop until the throttle plate. Here read this;;; this will tell you everything you need to know about a down draft gasifier and how to actually and properly build one. All of us manufactures started here. www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/old/3022.pdf

How long would this run a little 2000W Honda Gen?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

The new production version should run it for an hour maybe even longer.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

www.thriveoffgrid.net/m-1-base-gasifier

How do you keep your air inlet from melting? Is it ceramic?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

This one the nozzle is imbedded into a larger coupling. This coupling acts as a heat sink. New versions also have this but they are now water injected. The evaporation process cools the nozzle preventing it from melting while producing additional H2 and CO in this process.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

This unit here in this video was a prototype and is the only that exist in this format. See the 2022 DFX-S2 production version here kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3x4k9SvqajWcrQ.html

Now you just need to find a way to fill those green propane bottles with wood gas so you can light the fire.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

You can light it with a piece of paper if you dont have a torch. The Fusion has self ignition systems it lights itself both the reactor and the flare cup. That unit is fully automated and will eventually be ran from a phone app using bluetooth. So as long as you are in range you can start the entire machine from cold start up to engine running directly from your cell phone.

Do you have the inside of this setup as a downdraft or an updraft

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

They are semi cross draft, this here is a prototype. The production version is larger but it does not have an internal filter. Only two of this version exist. I have a new pancake filter that is external and inline. It work very well and is easier to service. The production versions also have a hinged lid to make it way easier to put fuel in the machine. See our website for further details. www.thriveoffgrid.net/m-1gasifier There are many other models as well.

What system do you use to make your charcoal?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iK570quAgczcXZs.html Basically a TLUD.

is there a reason to mix the air at the unit and not near the engine?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

Nope, however if you hang the this extra weight on the carburetor it can add stress to the bolts and they can break. You can set up that way but I find it is easier to have this remote. The better set up is to have this mixer on our pancake filter that is in line of the hose and is generally close enough to the engine where it is in arms reach. Having it on the engine makes it difficult to fine tune as the engine is vibrating as well.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

Also on this set up here in the video adding the air at the unit helps cool down the gas prior to entering the engine.

What does this system, without the generator, cost?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

4 жыл бұрын

$500.00 plus shipping. You can contact me at mryder@thrivenrg,net

Are you selling these systems if so how much and how can I contact you

@Thrive-Off-Grid

3 жыл бұрын

Just follow the link: www.thriveoffgrid.net/m-1-base-gasifier

What AFR does it like to run at?

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

Wood gas is generally 2:1 So about 30% air and 70% wood gas.

A quien pueda interesar me gustaria conseguir uno si me pudiera dar el nombre de la tienda donde lo compro se lo a gradeseria

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

Póngase en contacto con nosotros a través de nuestro sitio web. www.thriveoffgrid.net/

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Charcol cant be good for this, almost everything is allready burned out

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

Just the contrary charcoal is 30 to 40 percent more energy dense per lb than raw wood feed stocks. 1 lb of charcoal is roughly 9600 btu versus chip or chunked wood feed stock at 15-20% moisture content is only around 5700 btu. A raw wood gasifier uses 30% and greater of the gross feed stock just for its internal processes where a charcoal gasifier only uses around 5 to10% as there is no water it has to combat. Not to mention with the water injection this adds up to 20% back into the process. Then you have all that tar to deal with NO raw fuel gasifier will EVER be exempt from tar production and it WILL Destroy your engine. If it has not you simply have not ran it enough. It will happen I promise you. Charcoal is in fact just as, if not more eficient than a raw wood gasifier. We have developed those systems for over 8 years with well over 300 of those machines built and shipped world wide. We have closed that chapter in our development as charcoal gasification is not only easier it is more viable as an off grid solution. However we are working a raw fuels gasifier for gas storage. This gas will be cooled and scrubbed clean for use in gas appliances while it produce tar free engine grade fuel for your charcoal gasifier. Run all appliances with gas options on this gas. It is far more efficient as it is a direct energy conversion versus losing 75% of the gas energy in engine losses converting to electricity. Yeah we are not new players here, we have lived and breathed this for 10 years of very rapid development with hundreds of very advanced machines built and over a million dollars spent.

@berntsrensen1217

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid thanks for grat answer, learning ALOT 🙌 whot i said first wasent a statmemt 🙌 do you shop to Norway? Electric is insane, sometimes we pay as much as 1.3$pr kWh, im trying to make a system here befor Winther again kthen the prices is even wors 😳 so my plan was a big battery bank, some solar panel and gasifier to top up the battery's. Hope this wil save us some money 🙌 again thanks for the best answer on KZread for me so far 🙌😅☺️

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

@@berntsrensen1217 Look at my video there is the DIY Ammo Box gasifier how too videos. Use this video for the concept and build it yourself. But yes we ship world wide and in fact will have the first unit going to Norway late this spring. By the way these cross draft gasifiers can also run raw wood fuels and actually perform better then even our most advanced Imbert Designs.

@Thrive-Off-Grid

2 жыл бұрын

This video is of a prototype. Please see the most recent 2022 models here. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y3x4k9SvqajWcrQ.html These machines are the DF X Series. This stands for the Dual Fuel - Crossdraft. They can run on both raw wood feed stocks, charcoal or any combination of both.

@berntsrensen1217

2 жыл бұрын

@@Thrive-Off-Grid love it, super system ya have made 🙌 real cool! 🤟 Thanks again for good info 😎

Also, I am interested in doing a collaborative video on your work with my main channel Game of Trees @ Hanna Arborcare. Thanks