This took about 3-4 days of trying but I FINALLY GOT IT. TURN 88 WE WON, BUT THE HALL OF FAME RECORDS TURN 87. Ludwig is actually so broken. THANK YOU POTATO FOR the challenge, I was probably going to do it anyways but when I heard you on the livestream I knew I had to do it to em love u all

@VaporeonEnjoyer1

Жыл бұрын

Missed you boes. I started down a dark path of watching Artosis baby rage clips, and while it's funny, it's nice to watch a game where I don't have to explain why the man is so angry all the time to people around me.

@snomcultist189

Жыл бұрын

Do it for dave

@memensziom2846

Жыл бұрын

32:12 Isidore of Miletus was a man not a woman :D en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isidore_of_Miletus

@aquariusphilosophy

Жыл бұрын

87 turns because we start on Turn 1. Also there we go, teach em how it's done Boes. 🥳

@anthonyg9697

Жыл бұрын

I would say you were on top but you kind of cheat…don’t cheese the the diplo

Good Job buddy

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

thank u friendo

@Citieskylines

8 ай бұрын

Gay is not okay

@evilredflame

8 ай бұрын

@@CitieskylinesLudwig II said it was okay, sorry.

2 things: 1) I really like that you explain the hidden mechanics of what you're doing every video. Even if it's repetitive for long time viewers I still learn a lot (and I have 2000 hours of Civ 6 on steam). So thank you for that! 2) Civ 7 desperately needs better city state diplo options. Why can the AI declare war on my suiz without triggering a war with me? Why can't I make the AI stop attacking, either through asking for a promise or trading them (like how you can pay an AI to join your war). It's by far the most frustrating part of the game and I hope Civ 7 adds much more robust diplo options in general.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, even though the city-states weren't GREAT in Civ 5, i really miss the interactions you had with them; even the most simple one of gifting units to them.

@UvReflexes

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more about the lack of diplo options for city states. I'd even be interested in more Spy options too like convince a surprise attack or something. Sucks you can only declare war after they've been conquered. Seems like a missed opportunity.

1:23 I didn't know that. When I first read his abilities, I was like, "Okay, that's cool but not game breaking", but the fact that it's also every adjacency is so bonkers. And, of course, DO IT FOR DAVE

@joshdovishaw3836

Жыл бұрын

Technically it isn't _every_ adjacency. It only applies to Theater Squares and the wonders. When I read it the first time I was assuming you could also get tourism from Commercial Hubs with Gilden Vault and improvements with adjacency bonuses that normally don't pop till flight like Moai. Ludwig is pretty broken, but most of the lift was still done by the relics. Without Ludwig it would've still been a low 100s victory.

@1morechip

Жыл бұрын

​@@joshdovishaw3836 do you get it with the religious belief that gives holy sites culture adjacency?

@ironman85000

Жыл бұрын

This would apply to Gilded Vault too which gives Culture adjacency equal to Gold adjacency of the Commercial Hub. Also there's the religious belief that gives culture adjacency equal to holy site faith adjacency. And then, if you're suzerain of Nan Madol then all districts adjacent to coast or lake get +2 culture adjacency as well.

@joshdovishaw3836

Жыл бұрын

@@ironman85000 unfortunately gilded vault and Nan Madol do not work. I didn't try the religious belief.

Just for reference, it wasn’t until turn 68 (about 26:40) where Ludwig’s ability started to give tourism. At that point, the184 tourism was purely from the early Kandy + Voidborn start, which anyone can do.

@joshuayeroschak7373

Жыл бұрын

So it wasn’t all because of Ludwig

@codrincx

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuayeroschak7373 Well yes and no, you need to remember the absurd culture/turn that ludwig gave which helped breeze through the civics tree at little to no cost.

Man, who would of thought that taking one of the best leaders in the game and changing a decent ability to one of the best leader abilities in the game would create an imbalance leader? Truly there was no way to foresee this outcome.

@shinydavidhowell

Жыл бұрын

See also: Nzinga Mbande except that was "changing an ability that basically nerfed an OP civ ability into a buffed Lady Six Sky"

@christopherfrost5997

Жыл бұрын

"would've"

@drjonritz

Жыл бұрын

Didn't even get to build a Uboat or Hansa.

@donaldchester866

Жыл бұрын

I regularly sleep Heroes in my capital waiting for the turns to run out to get the relic... You just deleted anansai.... and got the relic. I am officially a little better at the game because of you.

@jakeshoemark5343

Жыл бұрын

“Unbalanced”

Had a casual turn 150 tourism victory on my first try Super fun to play

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

i did a turn 187 first game and then realized that i just need to district better and the next one was a like 157 hahaha. he's so absurd

@mapmanley

Жыл бұрын

My first game was as Cleo and I won turn 437 lmao, I think I turned off a lot of the win conditions and I didn’t know how to settle new cities for 150 turns

@Killerkwoi13

Жыл бұрын

@@mapmanley this is hilarious haha what victory type did you win?

I thought Theodora was better because the culture adjacency escalates better during the game (with Scripture) + work ethic. But you proved me wrong. This is simply insane. The extra district slot from Germany makes it insane. But what’s really broken is getting tourism after Castles!!! It’s like getting Flight 3 eras earlier. INSANE. I believe that with a custom map and optimized run (Kandy early + all tribal huts with relics + many trade routes and hero’s, some warfare, all that jazz) can make a sub 60 run

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

yeah absolutely, like if i was able to get the relic from the Dead Sea initially, plus maybe an earlier Anansi or Herc could have been a bit quicker

What an amazing idea - man I need to get my game on to keep up with you Boes!!! DO IT FOR DAVE

I just started a game as Ludwig and won a culture victory literally an hour later. I was just on auto-pilot the entire time and did no planning at all. This civ is so busted. Also GG on the turn 88, very well done.

Man I just did a 144-turn culture, pacifist, court of love, win on deity, standard everything, no voidsingers on deity on a Pangea huge map, I was feeling really good about myself...

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

That is incredible though holy heck

Just because I noticed. The quick deals mod, if you put more than what the AI is willing to buy of a resource, if you click accept on the right, it will just sell the maximum it was willing to take.

The culture agency from Guilded Vault when you go Owls would also be a good way to generate some of that sweet sweet culture agency tourism. But that likely wouldn't have helped here as you probably wouldn't have gotten those banks up in time. Impressive, sir.

@Pyronaut_

Жыл бұрын

That doesn’t actually give you tourism as far as I could tell. Even though Ludwig’s ability says all culture adjacencies, it’s actually only district adjacencies (wonders are treated as districts in the code). So it doesn’t apply to the Guilded Vault, which is a building, and also not to improvements like the Moai or Batey.

@sennarghal691

Жыл бұрын

@@Pyronaut_ @RogerMacCallum thank you so much I was wondering about this exact point!

@shinydavidhowell

Жыл бұрын

@@Pyronaut_ Interesting - so the usual Flight bonuses still only apply at Flight then, Ludwig just gets a whole new set at Castles (that presumably stack, not that this game ever threatened to get to Flight!)

Super impressive sir! Keep it up really helping people learn some of these advanced new game modes. Thank you for coming in with the quality content

Kandy, Cleo and a Free Settler? Is this goated enough? HELLO?!

When even I got a tourism victory on turn 138 I knew immediateley that sub 100 would be possible. Thanks for the video, very cool to see it played out.

Being subbed to Ludwig the streamer and seeing these video titles in my notification is really confusing for like a quarter of a second. Edit: oh god he did the thing

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

THE PLAN = SIMPLE

@Yabbamann

Жыл бұрын

@@boesthius Good shit Boes. I found you randomly out of the blue from watching Potato's videos but it seems like every creator I now watch knows of Ludwig. He's literally everywhere and the algorithm just shovels that shit towards me, which I found very funny considering he's probably my most-watched creator as well.

Me, a console player, watching this:

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

big sadge i hope it comes to you all

@lidijaperic3334

Жыл бұрын

​@@boesthius Thank you!😊

@Antowan

Жыл бұрын

@@boesthius it will come right after civ 7 hit consoles 😆

@lefthanded0440

Жыл бұрын

You need a computer. A 2018 MacBook, a 400 dollar setup on windows with a cheap graphics card or a used PC. This game doesn’t take a ton to run unless you rock the highest settings which doesn’t make a difference.

@Mason-zp8yb

Жыл бұрын

Get a PC

Writing is easy, but wordsing good is very hard. Also, don't challenge Boes to a sub-75 win. He might actually do it.

9:55 bro when he told Alexa to play that song, my Alexa legit starting playing it at max volume and my roommate was asleep lmao

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

HAHAHA oh no im so sorry

Love how you pop up cards, techs, skills, reasonings. Really helps the learning process and keeps me compeltely invested and clued in. Subbed! :D

Love your stuff Boes, you dominate Civ like no other and are akshually chill about it. As a side note it’s cool to know you were a QA tester. I spent many years as an OSS architect providing those teams with performance data. Peace brother

Interestingly enough, the lynchpin of the entire run is the bonus population from the tribal village on turn 10. I downloaded the turn 1 save and for some reason can't get the huts to give me the same rewards. Without that extra population, can't get to early empire and get Magnus established as fast and it slows the settler and builder down. The entire run is drastically different without that, I can't even get close to replicating it. Really shows the impact of how early bonuses snowball.

It is impressive but I don't know how much of the win is actually coming from Ludwig's ability. It feels like Kandy and reliquaries did the most of the job.

@adamstadick2044

Жыл бұрын

The artifacts were responsible for about half the total tourism towards the end, so ludwig’s ability was a fairly significant impact.

@iansanford6544

Жыл бұрын

The stackable no-cost monuments you get for unlocking techs you were already going to get anyway is utterly massive for accelerating your policy unlocks and governor titles. Going from 1.6 to 5.8 culture per turn in the space of 7 turns (the time between Pottery for G.Bath and a boosted Astronomy for Stonehenge) for zero production is bonkers in its own right, but the faith gen from ReliqKandy turbocharged Monmentality alongside two of the best heroes, breaking the game wide open. Would like to see a Kandy-less run, for scale so to speak.

@davidanderegg1232

Жыл бұрын

Also keep in mind that it’s the difference between tourism and culture that matters, like with food. Relic tourism can be barely more so there’s a chance you win before people get enlightenment but doubling that tourism would be +30 vs +230. That’s huge

@jvcarlesso

Жыл бұрын

It did everything... wasn't a lud victory, it was a reliquaries victory

@merlinthetuna

Жыл бұрын

​​@@iansanford6544 Still feels like a not-huge boost over the old shtick of Trajan doing this. Ludwig gets a tiny bit more early culture, so he probably gets to Theater Squares faster? But past that, raw culture is fueling very little of this run. The extra district slot is nice to have though. So I guess my point is that Trajan leading Germany would look about the same as this

"Who thought this was balanced?! Fraxis, hello!?" No one. No one thought this was ballanced. We are at the end of the development cycle, and every group of new leaders has had at least one seriously unbalanced char 'just for funzies'. Even my buddy who never intentionally wins a culture victory took one look at this guy and immediately told me I'm banned from playing him in a multiplayer match.

Lol Kandy and Anshan. Didn’t even mention that Anshan gives science for relics too. What a start

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

sometimes there's a lot of things to remember hahah

Love the way for this last pass, they just through balance out of the window and let people have fun.

Hey Boes congrats great game! One suggestion tho and that is to use the same UI mod that Potato uses which shows amenities in city in the top bar and spies etc. it's not a requirement obv but it'd be nice info to have without having to rely on you to check those specific things

So funny seeing a Germany run and it's not all about planning out Hansa-Aqueduct-Commercial Hub triangles

i think to balance ludwig they should make some sort of downside to placing unfinished wonders, like they drain amenities or something. after all, ludwig was killed because of his wild construction projects

Well done! It wasn't a regular game though, getting Kandy and two free cities (and about to get a third) plus the deadly void singers-heroes combo. Try playing Ludwig without any of these boosts on a map where there are at least two continents.

As a childhood friend of Ludwig, hearing his intro in your video gave me the wildest smile across my face! Ive enjoyed your content for a while now and to have my worlds collide, incredible. Shoutaht boes and the boys!

@ericteichman4514

Жыл бұрын

and here i am, 11:30 into it and another ridiculous smile!

@JEPs.

Жыл бұрын

Kinda parasocial my man.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

hahaha that is a super small world indeed - i come from the old esports sphere so we have some mutual friends and i've interacted with his group a small amount so it's so funny how this works

Subbed and hit that bell, this content is too good :) Please keep it up bud

Damn, it feels so good to see your channel grow so fast. I am glad to be an og of yours, balls.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

b a l l s t h i u s

I have a very elementary understanding of the Civ games since Civ 6 is my first Civ game I have ever played. My reaction to this video is like an old grandma that doesn't understand that you hit a 360 no scope. "That's nice honey!"

He's baaaaaacccckkk finally I've been in extreme agony in the interim Boes don't do this to me again

Subbed to help Dave get his sweet, sweet armor.

Hi Boes, your videos really make my day better, they're so entertaining mate. I am not new to the game but I wonder if districts receive adjeciency bonuses even after they were built? For example if I build two districts adjecent to lets say cultural district, will it still get +1 culture? Thanks in advance.

I love how everyone though Civ6 was done but they just keep putting out new civs!

Congratulations Dave!

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

we did it for dave

I didn't know benedict cumberbatch was the new civ leader

Ludwig is such an interesting design, rly cool leader. Whoever came up with the +culture for unfinished wonders deserves a raise.

@MarcusHelius

Жыл бұрын

you mean deserves to be fired right?

@andriusgimbutas3723

Жыл бұрын

​@@MarcusHelius At*

Congratulations! This makes me tempted to relook at my game to see if I could shave a few turns off it... But even then, I don't think I would play it as well as "Mr.Greatest Civ Player" lol

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

oh i bet you probably could hahaha. this was i think my 6th try? sometimes you just need a little dumb luck

Amazing work as usual man! Don't know if you'd be interested but doing a huge map with new Mali and rushing Moksha and Reyna (probably still go Pingala first) and using his ability to rush down the culture tree/recruit great people and trying a domination game sounds fun. On paper sounds good to me but could possibly see accidental culture victory from all the great works but never know til you try!

@gunzakimbo

Жыл бұрын

Hilarious you already beat me to it!

The Ludwig memes are interspersed perfectly and I love it

Ludwig was one of my quickest deity wins too, but nothing like 87 :D amazing

I never realized how strong diplo league was until I compared it to the +2 favor. When you do make use of diplo league, it is the equivalent of generating envoys 100% faster, compared to the +2 generating roughly 40% more envoys early.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's pretty insane, even early game there's almost no point running Charismatic Leader because of that

@lPuffalo

Жыл бұрын

@@boesthius Thanks for the reply! I've been loving your content and editing style

I think you're correct to play with heroes and secret societies. I tried to make this work so many times with just vanilla settings but with no heroes etc., but since you are just building wonders the tempo is really bad especially without any other innate building bonuses.

Reminds me of rushing the Sacred Sites reformation in Civ 5 as Byzantium then stacking your religion with three different religious buildings.

Subscribed to support Dave

From this video, I can't decide if ludwig II is actually OP or if finding Kandy early is just OP? I guess it's both.

@alanmilnes1264

Жыл бұрын

Both, I'm nowhere near this level but got my fastest ever Culture win with Ludwig, also Boesthius is OP lol.

well that was quick. nice and congrats

Hero’s and Secret societies are broken in general. This leader just shows it off

Tenmo jokes when you never expect them are great

When I saw the "wonders give +2 culture even if unfinished" I immediately knew something crazy was gonna happen

WILD GAME. great job!

i enjoy your videos suprised i wasnt subbed before

the ludwig intro is hillarious while playing ludwig

Hero: What is my purpose? *yeets Hero and yoinks it's relic*

Your command of the game is insane. 👏👏

My Alexa went off when you said “play the great escape” lol

-He killed Kandy. -You bastard!

Yeah. He is nuts, i won culture in sub 215 without building any theater squares and by being not great at civ.

Anyone know when Mac users will get the New Leaders updates? Havent been able to play any of the new one since last October or so

I played a game on online speed and won after 146 rounds and felt good. But now lol. They're so much room to improve. Broken Character tho, I love it.

Love the content, Boe. Also, by chance, do you play Legends of Runeterra? I love that game!

Almost as impressive as civ6trader legendary vanilla playthroughs that I recommend everyone to watch some really amazing gameplay (specially his Mongolia 103 turns victory, you're not gonna believe it)

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

i completely forgot about civtrader's victories, holyyyy

@JavierSalcedoC

Жыл бұрын

@@boesthius Truly a mystery what happened to him. Went to buy cigarettes? Abducted by firaxis? I'd pay to watch him break this game on it's current state

ngl lie, that's the first time I watched a video of yours but I had to subcribe for Dave

I've never had a start where there are that many starting resources around your spawning point. How do you get that?

Ludwig II should have a special ability that allows you to sell all your empire to the ia but end building a wonder

When bro said the Alexa command, my Alexa went off 💀💀

This kinda feels like it defeats the purpose of the challenge jn using Ludwig’s ability’s because majority of the tourism came from relics which any civ can do

Can you do a vid explaining/testing what makes scouts worth it? I almost always go double scout, but there is a certain content creator that rages against scouts and “proved” they weren’t worth it. I’d like your more in depth thoughts if possible. Great vid as always!

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

yup, i plan on it

@Kamishi845

Жыл бұрын

I think that just highly depends on what you want to do and what civ you're playing. Boes is going for a culture win and classical era golden age, and for that you need to go double scout opener. You can get away with one scout if you struggle with barbarians, but double scout is usually a good bet to reveal most of the map and will ensure you get a lot of goodie huts etc.

@melovepeas

Жыл бұрын

who?

@jameshall1300

Жыл бұрын

​@@melovepeas civlifer is the only one I can think of off the top of my head that hates scouts

@rook_xs6903

Жыл бұрын

@@jameshall1300 I’m thinking that’s who people are talking about, but I feel like he’s getting unwarranted hate solely because it’s funny how much he hates them

That would you kindly help him outttt only the OG's will get the reference!! great video as always

how did you get the kitty scout 😭 i logged in on this firaxis bs and didnt get him in my mods afterwards lmao... your vids so fun to watch i cant believe you're still so lowkey compared to other civ youtubers

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

you get the cat scout by connecting your 2k account to Civ!

Is it mod that shows production/culture/faith/etc. outputs when you mark them on the ground? I was trying to plan out my game similar to you but it only shows the icon I placed.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

yes! sorry it's a mod called Detailed Map Tacks!

Man I haven't thought about Boys Like Girls in a loooong time

Very interesting but also very circumstantial without Kandy spawning in or not finding them until after you had found more of the natural wonders I guess it would have taken a hell of a lot more turns.

I was like "nah screw Dave... Wait i got curious now, is he upgrading for fight? I wanna know more about "

Well, most of the broken stuff here resulted from game modes (with help from Kandy and Reliquaries), but Ludwig sure as hell has the kick to push the culture and tourism minmaxing over the edge.

Where do i get him i have all the dlc content and the leader pass but he aint in my game

I could have sworn you mentioned a mod to make the right CS spawn where you want, but I can’t seem to find it. Was that a fever dream?

lol the fkn teemo reference got me xD

yeeessss, Boes upload :3

Ludwig:welcome welcome all tourists welcome to our great nation with our great buildings Visitor:But my dude this is just a rock Ludwig:Suh my child thats actualy the great oracle

Trumpets sound as thousands of people make the pilgrimage to Germany only to see half abandoned great wonders and dingy relics locked away in the basement of an obelisk. The Ancient Times says, "Scammed, WTF. Madge!"

what mod you use for Barringer Crater??

What it looks like to conquer the world, according to Civ 6: "Oh my gosh, have you seen Germany? They have so many unfinished buildings!" "Amazing! We should put them in charge of the world."

Here I am just watching some chill Civ vids and u gotta bring up "great escape by boys like girls" :[

Lol when you said Alexa play the great escape my Alexa next to me started playing it

do you have mods or do i have mods, or is their different versions of this game? because im missing some things you have. like governors or those little black and white stories that popped up when you founded your city. almost like my game is updated

@antcorn738

Жыл бұрын

They're part of the various expansions for the game. It's all paid dlc

you made my echo play that song, but I am not even mad because I was an emo kid too haha

Well now I know how to get easy culture victory

Next step, culture victory in Ancient Era. The whole caveman world united by their love of big buildings, most of which never actually got fully built.

This might be a dumb question but how do you get all the info of the other leaders on the banner at the top

@boesthius

10 ай бұрын

its a setting! go to options -> interface -> and then the show yields in the hud ribbon. i have mine set to always show~

That's civtrader type of shit right there. I can tell you that. Great job boes

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

that is a name i have not heard in a long, long time

@arthruue1544

7 ай бұрын

i am still a huge fan of him. it was just so impressive for me seeing him getting those insanely fast wins@@boesthius

The ludwin “BOYS” is getting this video started right lmao.

@boesthius

Жыл бұрын

BOYS TODAYYYY

Lol, the first thing that came to my mind that anyone doing a video on Ludwig, needs to use the Boys from streamer ludwig hahahah Love the content as usual, thanks Boes

You, sir, are a gentleman. Thank you for the flashing screen warning.

I too like people that go by Kandy. I just realized, they're probs inspired by Civ games.