3:22 is my favourite part of this scene. Both Moldaver and Hank are telling facts to Lucy interrupting each other, like two devils on her shoulder trying to convince her. And she's put in a spot where she's forced to make a tough choice. Both of them have blood on their hands but at this point it' s a matter of who's less wrong than the other

@noturmum7967

5 күн бұрын

Idk about that. Hank says Moldavor was lying right when she mentions the city of shady sands being everything the vaults wanted it to be. Sure, that's arguable. But the. He proceeded to say she was lying when she said he blew the whole place up. Which is obviously not true. Even if he didn't pull the trigger himself it was his actions that resulted in the destruction of shady sands. He did mention Moldavor breaking into the cult with raiders and killing their people. But it seems like a flimsy argument to make in comparison. Especially if he wasn't the one who blew up Shay's sands. You'd think there would be more bite back

Enjoyed the season, but Moldaver desperately needed more backstory. Especially her path into stasis for 200 years.

@kulkidz33

Ай бұрын

yeah they never explored how the fuck she survived this long

@brauliogarcia5918

Ай бұрын

It’ll most likely be explained when we see a flashback showing us where Cooper took his daughter when the bombs dropped

@Dylan-kr8ss

Ай бұрын

She allegedly had a romance sub-plot cut from the show. The way Moldaver grabs the ghouls hand is way too romantic.

@samirmuhammad1781

Ай бұрын

Probably the same way Cooper survived 200 years as well

@elvisibra

Ай бұрын

Head canons. Other than that nothing much there. Go to ep 1 and see how Stephanie and Lucy intract and hold hands. Use that with no tone and out of context and there's another head canon..​@@Dylan-kr8ss

The show would you like you to believe that Moldaver is righteous but remember Lucy was almost killed by the Raider that Moldaver introduced to her. Lucy's father and Moldaver are the same. The truth is convenient for Moldaver went it suits her purpose.

@tzeentchnianexaltedsorcero2041

Ай бұрын

Such a shit take

@camerongurganus3926

Ай бұрын

I think that was fully the raiders choice to do that. Not Moldavers orders. Moldaver loved lucy’s mom

@shakenbakejake25

Ай бұрын

I think the moral of the story is "who you become through your actions". She wasn't always bad, most of the characters weren't. Except Lucy's dad. Everyone involved with Vault Tec has almost always been on the moral bad side. Moldaver wasn't evil, she had Shady Sands, and when Lucy's dad what she did she changed from that experience and basically vowed revenge at any cost. Lucy was just a casualty of that revenge, but she wasn't a specific target. But that's why they make such a big deal of "the golden rule" and as another saying goes, an eye for an eye makes the world blind. Edit: I am realizing this is literally just the Karma system from the games.

@giovaniconte1860

Ай бұрын

​@@shakenbakejake25It was not revenge that made Moldaver kidnap him...she needed a high staff of Vaul TEC for the entry code that activates cole fusion. Lucy being there or not was just luck(drama)

@krzysztofczajka6752

Ай бұрын

Did you expect to have Moldaver monologuing about her father's betrayal and what he did to her mum? She came there to grab him so she could have the code. There's no way she could make a brainwashed Lucy even begin to doubt her father. And Raiders stick around for as long as they're having fun. Which all ties nicely into the idea that the Wasteland changes you. Watch Lucy getting even worse in season 2.

Its crazy that Vault tec had a vault for all vaulaible members of Vault tec.

@aherrera6182

26 күн бұрын

They weren't valuable they were mid level

@feelcollins4358

18 күн бұрын

lol why would that be crazy? what else were they supposed to do? get nuked by their own nukes? 😂

@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo

11 күн бұрын

"Management." Not the valuable members. Those are in a different vault.

@kingcamelot1395

11 күн бұрын

​@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLoVault 0, right? Didn’t pan out too well for them, did it?

@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo

11 күн бұрын

@@kingcamelot1395 I don't know.

As the saying goes "the vaults were never meant to save anyone"

Nomination for the worst father of the year 2024.

@giovaniconte1860

Ай бұрын

He was a good das but a terrifying human being...

@hedition9346

Ай бұрын

@@giovaniconte1860 I hope they will progress his arc as a man who struggle between loyalty to Vault tec and love for his daughter, and not a one dimensional character.

@jakces3810

Ай бұрын

@@hedition9346 same dude, same.

@skindred1888

22 күн бұрын

​@@hedition9346I dunno, killing your wife and blowing up a whole city is pretty horrendous. They already showcased in the flashback that he loved violence in the ghouls movies ( I mean who doesn't love movie violence 😂, but they went out their way to make it a point of interest for the ghoul to say he doesn't like the way the movie is going by shooting the guy, and Hank seems to love everything about it). There's plans in place to wipe out other factions whilst they sit in their vaults...guys a dick. We don't always need everyone's backstory. This ain't lost.

@person737

22 күн бұрын

@@hedition9346 lol thats funny, you can see right there he will never change, he nuked his wife and he has no regrets about it.

Kyle MacLachlan… playing the morally bankrupt father of a kickass and gorgeous brunette young woman main character, and who ends up killing his wife in some way… Basically the same thing he did in Season 2 of Agents of SHIELD as Skye/Daisy’s father…

@zillagrilla315

18 күн бұрын

Agreed. Why can't he ever play the Loving Father without some dark/evil side to his character?

"Gurney... we will use our atomics." Sure as shit Paul didn't bluff when he said that way back when he was young.

@Anomitra10

9 күн бұрын

L I S A N A L G A I B

Paul​should've used his voice to force Lucy to open the door.

@alanway5

Ай бұрын

holy shit, thats the boomer dune guy

@ericwright6854

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@champropaganda

18 күн бұрын

GIVE ME THE WOTAH

@hankanderson1091

6 күн бұрын

??????

@hankanderson1091

6 күн бұрын

Oh lol!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 *pees from laughter*

This was the perfect spin like any Fallout game. This is like when we finally find James in Fallout 3 or get to Benny in New Vegas or confront Kellogg in Fallout 4. We think we know something then we are in a big twist that expands the lore and and gameplay.

I like how Lucy just believes the lady that as far as she knows, is just a mass-murdering raider lady. Her monologue makes more sense to us, the watchers since we have the other plotlines to fill in the gaps, but Lucy knows none of this. The only evidence she really has is some repressed memories and her mother's necklace on the Ghoul.

@Somewondude

Ай бұрын

so basically, okie dokie.

@robrichporter4891

28 күн бұрын

A person’s tone and reaction makes a big difference. Moldaver is speaking calm and sensibly while Hank is just saying “she’s lying” and getting angry before confessing.

@DanteDn1

24 күн бұрын

@@robrichporter4891seeing your dad act that way in response to Moldava words made it clear that he wasn’t what she thought he was

@Revenante_of_Asylum

22 күн бұрын

That speaks to how much sense Moldaver was making in divulging the truth, filling Lucy in on the questions she wasn't asking with being so focused on rescuing her father. The questions like how does this mass-murdering raider lady know her mother, or her father for that matter. And Shady Sands being nuked in her childhood immediately after her repressed memories? Hell of a coincidence. The monologue makes more sense to a omniscient viewer, of course, but everything clicked for Lucy. Including Hank's increasing panic yet inability to offer anything but "She's lying" before moving onto the even less convincing "She stopped being your mother when she ran away."

@S1lverarrow

12 күн бұрын

I like the fact that you basically ignore all clues Lucy found during her jorney, the history class in vault full with ex citizen of Shandy Shade, their worship of Moldaver. That scientist from Anklave which gave up his life just to deliver to Moldaver the cold fusion, and Lucy own childhood memory abut her mom and Shandy Shade which just poped up. So suddently all what Moldaver was telling her make perfect sense.

So everything that Chosen one and Tandi did for California is for nothing thank tho Lucy’s old man.

@andrewhicks982

Ай бұрын

As is the case with most things you do in fallout games

@bat32391

Ай бұрын

I mean the larger NCR is intact, but they definitely got a swift kick in the balls. I think the stage is being set for the NCR to restore itself.

@TheRealTerranMarine

Ай бұрын

I was gonna say. The NCR only lost Shady Sands. They still have the other major settlements like The Hub, Boneyard, Vault City and New Reno, plus any of the smaller settlements like Klamath

@Cyberbro665

Ай бұрын

To say it was nothing is really ignorant, FO1 and FO2 was never about preserving the existence of the NCR or making the NCR gods it was all about preserving the remains of humanity from complete extinction against the Master and Enclave who would have genocided EVERYONE. Jesus Christ why can't you whiners get the lore you complain about so much right just once?????????

@loyalty.is.its.own.reward

Ай бұрын

No I all for nothing because bethesda are bitter losers who can only recycle the same "find your father" story again and again and spite the people who made the whole fallout universe by writing good compelling stories.

his father is either the genetic seed of the chosen one or the courier because how that fuck does he destroy the NCR by himself??

@demi_narch8674

Ай бұрын

NCR believed New Vegas attacked and started a war with Mr. House or whoever controlled New Vegas at the time. BOS noticed the nuke and just watched the fight, sent in a few, and saved a kid in a fridge. NCR won or lost too much and decided to leave the area. Some NCRs stayed, while the main NCR influence pulled away. BOS took control of the region. Lucy leaves the vault to see the aftermath.

@ssss.8568

Ай бұрын

Doubt that he did it by himself. No way he has access to military arsenal unless it was backed by another Military Organisation (like Enclave)

@user-yf7mo1mh1v

Ай бұрын

I think you mean, his seed must have been to produce the Vault Dweller, in which produce the Chosen One and Hank's seed must also have been used to produce the courier. And to answer your question, you do realise that Hank is the ancestor of Paul Muad'Dib, the Kwisatz Haderach. lol

@mauddib7830

Ай бұрын

No.​@@user-yf7mo1mh1v

@HALLish-jl5mo

Ай бұрын

With a nuke?

Hank’s acting is top notch

Don't like anyone here apart from Lucy.

Remember that the good guys are just other bad guys pretending to be good guys. 😂

@christophernewton5348

Ай бұрын

Everyone wants to save the world, they just disagree on how

@frakmaster69master11

29 күн бұрын

​@@christophernewton5348kinda like the religions of the world...

@EccentricGentelman

22 күн бұрын

I hate such cynicism.

@skindred1888

22 күн бұрын

It's a massive issue in real life too. So many people can clearly see problems, argue how it can be fixed, and often who to blame.

All factions suck. Much like real life. I guess the one that least sucks is our best option

@randbarrett8706

Ай бұрын

Indeed, only the powerful are considered truly human, everybody else is chattel

@amogus1337-tw7wc

Ай бұрын

Those who give the most freedom for others are generally a better choice, like Dr. House in NV

@samasoku

22 күн бұрын

@@amogus1337-tw7wc you realise you sound like the typical freedomTM obsessed american?

@EccentricGentelman

22 күн бұрын

I hate such cynicism, especially when human society is objectively better now then it's ever been.

@theforgeryttv6449

16 күн бұрын

Pretty much just like companies these days. Sony and Microsoft said hello.

Everyone who chose to nuke Megaton: 😨

My one big complaint about this season is that they expect us to side with Moldaver and doesn't really address that she's also a fucking murderer who wanted to kill her friends children. It also doesn't explain at all how she survived the bombs, I'm assuming she was frozen in stasis but how would an enemy of Vault-Tec get into one of the "Good Vaults".

@zephyrr108

28 күн бұрын

Morals are murky in shows beyond the 2010s. Even before actually

@gasterg.continent3118

26 күн бұрын

I never thought this was the case. More of a "Golden Rule thing" where because of HANKS actions against her and in her blindness of rage and revenge she took what he took. She became just like him, a villain who does terrible deeds to the innocent to do what they truly believe is right.

@TMAN-lk2dd

25 күн бұрын

How did Modaver trick both Bud and Hank in that raid. Didn't the "management" was supposed to control all 3 vaults?

@EccentricGentelman

22 күн бұрын

I agree, most of the vault dwellers were innocent and Moldaver threw them all to the wolves just to get to Hank. She still has feelings for Rose and yet she's willing to gamble with the lives of her own children. She's no less extreme then the Brotherhood, no less ruthless then Cooper. I'm glad someone else agrees.

@yourmum5576

20 күн бұрын

Unless she betrayed vault-Tec and ran away from her vault

Dune has entered the chat

idk how to explains it, but this felt like the reverse of Shaun

@blueslover21

14 күн бұрын

yeah this is like the 2nd time bethesda recycle the main story plot of fallout 3

@stardust9164

3 күн бұрын

@@blueslover21 both fallout 1 and 2 follow the same plot, "our place is suffering, go find X to save us, you find X and head back, there's new organization that is evil, you destroy that organization and get the ending" its not just bethesda that recycles plots

@blueslover21

3 күн бұрын

@@stardust9164 you're right, I stand corrected. but this is like the 2nd time that bethesda did it

@stardust9164

3 күн бұрын

@@blueslover21 interplay did the same and no one bats an eye, but when bethesda does that everyone looses their minds

It' always been about one thing: Control

... he is Paul Muadib Atreides Duke of Arrakis (the first one). The sleeper has awaken and became supervisor of Vault 33!

looks like paul really did use his families atomics

Vault-tec is a stand-in for Bethesda and cold fusion is the canvas duffel bag?

@pyrsen

12 күн бұрын

Brainrot

Lucy & brotherhood of steel must survive I say war never changes...

Moldaver literally is speaking on the good of cold fusion, how good Lucy's mom was (they were gay, your honor), on the evil of Vault-Tec and Lucy's Dad's evil- and Hank can only get mad, not even acknowledge Moldaver's statements, not even try to refute them and angrily demand Lucy listen to him. Both are evil for different reasons. But still, Moldaver won here simply because Hank knew she was right. That there was no defending HIMSELF.

@facehurt7606

8 күн бұрын

yeah imagine losing everything you built in a single second just remember shady sands was what she lost thats why she turned to raiders and murdering the vault dwellers

So... you are telling me, Shady sands, the Capitol city of an empire with thousands of soldiers, a hundred tanks and vertabirds, got tumbled by some vault dwellers?

@masha22092000r

Ай бұрын

It was literally nuked. Volt-Tech had its own nukes.

@isham2044

Ай бұрын

Not some vault-dwellers, The Original Vault-Tec Employees that started the nuclear fallout. Why is alot of people thinking that Shady sands got obliterated by a bunch of nobodies? We are seeing the face of Vault-Tec for the first time with a cohesive canon story (with a few errors but thats literally a Fallout game issue as continuity has always been vague at best and that's done delibrately) rather than a choose your own path narrative.

@DoddyIshamel

Ай бұрын

By Vault tec .... I mean they nuked the world, what's another city.

@gasterg.continent3118

26 күн бұрын

Yeah and you can collapse the world order in New Vegas as a mailman what's your point

@zoroblind69

25 күн бұрын

probably Vault Tech and The Enclave. the shadowy figure during the corporate meeting.

I really wanted to like this show. It had so many good elements and a ton of fanservice. I just feel that a lot of scenes somehow fell short for me. Like the editing or the directing was somehow off.

lucy is so hot!!!

This is a powerful scene that brings complexity to Moldaver's character. She is no saint but she is definitely not a monster like Hank McLean

@ivanribnikov2001

12 күн бұрын

Moldaver broke into a vault, tricked Lucy into having sex with an irradiated raider who almost killed her afterwards, violently killed dozens of innocent people just to get at Hank and has some sort of Maoist-like cult of personality revolving around her in vault 4. I actually dislike how it seems like the narrative in the last episode attempts to make us take her side and would be surprised if they make her out to be some sort of good guy in season 2. If they do, that would be in detriment of the quality of it IMO, she's definitely a monster who shrouds her actions under a veil of righteousness.

@djx7134

11 күн бұрын

@@ivanribnikov2001 the show never made Moldaver seem good. In fact, it repeatedly reminded the viewer about what she did in episode 1. Like, 50x in the last episode. Just because people ignore those reminders doesn't mean they weren't given. And personally I feel like episode 1 Moldaver is inconsistent with episode 8 Moldaver, but I don't see how the show tried to make her seem like a hero. She was just another ruthless wastelander with a goal, that's all.

@THEKING1300

9 күн бұрын

@@ivanribnikov2001 In a world like Fallout's, you have to be morally gray to accomplish your goals.

Him and others at top are loyal to Vault tec and to Bob and did what was asked from them. Did his wife expected she would just leave without their permission, what did she expected, seriously.

I can’t tell if this is just poorly acted, poorly edited, or if the sound has been extremely compressed.

@ceasaralves8998

Ай бұрын

its edited

@justinbergeron5997

7 күн бұрын

The acting is actually top notch for a tv show

I didnt like moldaver but through the entire season i started to like her then once it got to this point i loved her and hated that they made us think she was the villian

@EccentricGentelman

22 күн бұрын

In my book she is a villain. She only got Hank by unleashing a pack of raiders on everyone in vault 33, whether they were Vault-Tec or not. It seems she didn't even tell them to spare Lucy or Norm, the children of the woman she cared for! I am not sorry she's dead and if her followers were anything like her, I'm glad the Brotherhood took them out.

I'm not convinced that Hank blew up Shady Sands just because his daughter was taken. That makes no sense. My guess is, he's a pawn. He blew up Shady Sands to shatter the NCR's hold on New Vegas. He resisted giving cold fusion to Moldaver for the same reason. And the only reason why he would need to go to New Vegas after the fact would be to tell either Mr. House or the Man in the Window (during the corporate meeting) that he has failed. This show is a mess. I love it. 😂

@pyrsen

12 күн бұрын

He wanted to blow it up cause it got in the way of vault tec's plans, they wanted to rebuild society

@cutiepiehole

Күн бұрын

Moldaver said it herself. "That is how Vault Tec deals with competition." I'm sure that Hank was also a narcissist and going bonkers at the idea of his partner defying him by running away with the kids but in the end he was apart of the original group that nuked the entire world so his corporation could completely control it and Vault Tec probably would have tried to do the same thing at some point too

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

this is god awful

@user-qs5jy1py9l

Ай бұрын

No

@justblueboy2939

Ай бұрын

Ok buddy

@fukaze2021

Ай бұрын

You are literally name Oil Hut Jones

@Xxbdc99xX

Ай бұрын

@OilHutJones yep your comment definitely is

@thomascarney4391

Ай бұрын

is the series basically white males bad?

The problem with mary sues is everyone around her is boring and quick to die to make her look good.