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@Jana-nr4it

Ай бұрын

I get your confusion because typically an apology is viewed as an admission of guilt. In fact an apology is the acknowledgement of another's feelings. He was apologizing to his fans. Also my take away from his documentary was his feeling of isolation when he was ostracized. Almost 3 yrs...that would demoralize anyone. Hindsight is 20/20.Upon reflection he knew he should have been more selective. However that does not negate his feelings towards his haters. The accent:Lucas speaks at least 4/ 5 languages.He is from Hong Kong( British till 2000) were English is officially 2nd language. Not your typical tail between the legs comeback. So kudos to SM and Lucas. Lastly JOOHONEY is STARSHIP not SM. He has never been rebranded as he has been 💯 since before NO MERCY and subsequent debut.

I'm glad that the song is completely in English, because you will never satisfy Korean and Chinese fans in your life, but at least the International fans are happy and satisfied, and they know how to support the artist

@sculptureofsound2

Ай бұрын

These are my sentiments exactly. Western fans aren't concerned with all the b.s. with idols personal lives as much. As long as he didn't sexual assault or kill anyone, its got nothin to do with me or the music lol. I love this comeback.

@pocchakko

Ай бұрын

​@@sculptureofsound2 one of the the "allegations" was sexual assault...

I think he will take the English route because SM has decided to appeal to “International Fans” which have largely continued to support him despite the scandal. This is a strong comeback for him in my opinion, now that he’s performing full songs by himself and in a language he’s going to need to learn very quickly. As always! Appreciate your honest reviews! I knew this wouldn’t be your cup of tea 😂

@benjridimalek9051

Ай бұрын

i don't think it's about that, it's probably to be able to promote both in china and korea and maybe hong kong since he's both a kpop and cpop artist just like yuqi from gidle did with her solo debut.. other than that he still got support from some chinese and korean fans so..

@alexandramaddox586

Ай бұрын

@@benjridimalek9051 I honestly hope this is the case but from what I’ve followed he’s lost a tremendous following in both Korea and China due to the expectations that come with being an idol (Hence the message of this song). The “Western” tone is a strategy, and they even included predominantly Western reporters in the Plan A MV. SM have every intention to rebrand Lucas as an international star/favorite bc that’s where the money and his predominant support is 🤷🏾‍♀️

@Jana-nr4it

Ай бұрын

​@@alexandramaddox586Good on SM!!! It's a business at the end of the day. SM thinks he's worth the investment 💰 🤑 💸.

Who knew that the least NCT sound from SM would come out of Lucas

In my opinion the documentaries were for his Korean and Chinese fans, as he is attempting to win their love back. Remember he used to be very popular in China (with participation as regular host of hugely popular Keep Running reality show) and in Korea too he was the first NCT member to be invited to a multiple mainstream Korean talk shows despite debuting much later and him not being a Korean or even fluent in Korean. Not to mention his multiple brand endorsements and being model runway. Regardless whether the allegations contain truth or lies his image were tarnished there so as per Korean culture, he has to carefully apologize and sort-of begging back for approval there. BUT I think this MV is specifically for his international fans who have been mostly supporting him. I believe that's why it is fully in English. SM doesn't even bother to make his debut songs in Chinese or Korean because it is still too early since he is still being hated. This MV is sort of "the explanation" for the international fans by addressing the allegations as lies, hating comments, him being an alien (he is hated for not being Korean but getting a lot of attention in Korea, and in China he is trolled because he is mixed Thai (darker skin tone, not same llike Ten who is of Chinese breed in Thailand- the Chinese netizen even made fun of Lucas skin color and facial feature he is literally called as "monkey" there)

@l.c.6282

Ай бұрын

I think one of the reasons he was attacked on social media by the crazies is because he was so popular and fans didn’t like that he was more popular than their favourites. Another reason that the Chinese didn’t support him is that he’s from Hong Kong, and if you remember there was a lot of pro democracy protests happening in Hong King at the time.

@tiffanyj3030

Ай бұрын

So true! And his hate train is so huge because there’s 22 other members in the group and each had solo stans that were jealous of him. As soon as they saw the scandal pop up they were ready to make it worse and spread even more lies because this is want they’ve always wanted. When evidence of his innocence came out they didn’t want to hear it or even consider it. They wanted him out for their own selfish reasons. If he came back they’d have to watch their favs get “pushed to the back” again. Funny thing is THEY are the reason for the dying momentum of the group at their peak. Now they’re scared karma is coming back on them which is why they’re trying to boycott Riizes comeback because they’re scared what happened the Lucas will happen to seunghan

@TheDandabianchi

Ай бұрын

You said all!

I don’t know this to be a hundred percent accurate but I have heard that whenever people have like language teachers they adopt the same regional accent from there teacher. So probably whoever is teaching Lucas English is from the UK because I thought the same as you did that he sounded British. I’m really happy that Lucas is back finally

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

Oooooo okay makes sense!!

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

Hing Kong was a British colony until 20 years ago, i guess they still have the British accent in their learning of English Language rather than a US accent etc

@zoie4579

Ай бұрын

一般香港人在學校時學習的英語就是英式口音！

@MrsNaoomie

Ай бұрын

Very true. I mostly had English teachers / co-workers from the UK, and now I sound just like them when i speak English.

@viel.4

Ай бұрын

@@Koko3ophong kong used to be a british colony a few years ago that’s why there’s a british accent to him since they still learn english with a british accent

Lucas is from Hong Kong. His mother tongue is Cantonese, it's not a dialect of Chinese but rather a language. Then Hong Kong was a British colony so they all had to speak English too, but what is the accent in a colony or former colony? British accent but which UK accent, they had natives at all HK schools or HK natives teaching so there is like an English-Cantonese type of accent? then at 16 he left HK for S.Korea and learnt Korean for years. And yet he had to sing in WayV in Chinese Putonghua and in English... (in SuperM English aswell). Then in Korean they use many English words but with a korean chopped weird pronunciation. Also if one watches US films, series and listens to US music, gets also different sources for pronunciations... Plus then he might have some SM instructor telling him better pronounce this like this or that to just sound better, but no one is telling him to follow a standard accent from Sussex, or from Wyoming, and stick to it...😂😂😂 I guess it's weird to listen to it for an English native speaker... But I don't think he would have attracted anyone suddenly rapping in Cantonese...He isn't a "Chinese unit" to promote in China so he also doesn't need to do it in Chinese Putonghua, weird if he chose Korean, maybe? i think English makes sense when you want to reach an international audience... just like XG does. So... any option you'd give him is not his mother tongue anyway, it's clear that he was going to be critisized no matter what 🙃

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

I had a feeling he was HK and yeah I see your point.

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

​@@Koko3opsorry for the rant! 😊

@benjridimalek9051

Ай бұрын

but i think it makes more sense that he chose english to be able to promote in china and korea without having a language issue becoz idols were not allowed to perform in korean for a while now, at some point there was a hallyu ban in china no korean was allowed on tv (political issues) so kpop idols who are chinese usually promote korean songs in korea only and chinese songs in china.. yuqi from gidle also released her solo debut in english for this reason..

@marionelly2365

Ай бұрын

普通話和粵語都是漢語的其中一種語言，所寫的文字都是漢字。香港的粵語來自廣東，中國還有很多和粵語一樣屬於漢語體系的語言

The documemtary is confusing for most westerners just like when actors, singers etc have to apologize for whatever scandal, apologize for the scandal being an inconvenient to fans, members, fellow workers, society... He didn't make the documentary because he cared about the haters op8nions but because of his fans and people who supported him. He apologizes for his immature behaviour of trying to go after those sasaengs and failing and his actions leading to proboems for WayV, for his fans, for his company, for his family etc. It might give the idea of "f k you all i'm the baddest" if one raps in English but i don't think that is the purpose. He is reaching an audience and telling his story

@user-gh2wg9yz6z

Ай бұрын

I agree..thats wat i understand about his documentary and this song..he just telling his story and wat he been through..

@fullmoon_O

Ай бұрын

Yeah and they messed up with the English captions when the documentary was first released, a lot of sentences were misunderstood because of the bad translation. I highly recommend everyone to watch it again after they've revised the English captions, because he was sorry for the way he exposed the sasaeng on Bubble (what he did to protect his group) and the way that affected not only him but also his group. And we all know how the Korean press works, if you don't apologize for every little decision that you've made your entire life, you'll be forever on their black list...

@user-gh2wg9yz6z

Ай бұрын

@@fullmoon_O true..everyone thinks that he admits the allegations about him..but if u will watch it carefully then u will understand wat his been telling..its just sad that some people don’t understand it..

@XVMatthew

Ай бұрын

The documentary is confusing because it's vague as hell and in over an hour of footage does ye actually say what he's apologizing for. Even when discussing his own mental state they avoid saying exact words and when it comes to allegations and mental health issues this serious you simply don't half ass it.

@resurgingflame

Ай бұрын

​@@XVMatthew & that's WHY u make ur own research too about the case so u'd understand the context what he's talking about. Don't expect it to come out as full on detailed apology bcus this is SM. They're always half-assed anything, even for things that's very important for their artists.

Honestly the documentary was bound to happen, whether he was on the right or not since people kept making rumors and just overdoing it, we already know how these companies work. // I honestly really like this release, it’s very groovy and refreshing + it’s also quite catchy (makes me want to learn the dance lol).

u're right about the accent but if u think about it in reverse he also has an accent in korean since he's chinese so if he sang in korean it would've also sounded a bit off for koreans.. personally it doesn't bother me and if you think about it kpop idols are the only artists in the world who sing in other languages so i think we could ignore the accents and appreciate the effort honestly..

For me it's not weird that he chose to sing in English because Korean is not his first language either 😅

It’s important to keep in mind Taeyong also had a scandal yrs ago and had to make a video apologizing and crying to the fans and members for what he did. U can still find it here on YT. Yrs later he spoke out and said he was the victim. This is just what SM does to save face for the company. They’re all about money and can’t let rumors hold up there money flow so they push the accused members to the side and focus on other groups until it dies down

@XVMatthew

Ай бұрын

Okay there's a stark difference between a bullying scandal and the wild stuff Lucas was accused of. Since SM insisted on debuting him it fell on him and them to say specifically what he was apologizing for. They didnt.

@Zulkfa

Ай бұрын

@@XVMatthew lucas was only accused of having multiple girlfriends and gaslighting them; there is no SA allegations to start off. he is innocent

@ykilyr

Ай бұрын

well dispatch came out with article and defended taeyong accusations with actual proofs and his schoolmates and teachers were also the witnesses how is that the same as fuck ass lucas 😂

@ykilyr

Ай бұрын

some of you fans need to stop mentioning taeyong over something that he has nothing to do with its getting tiresome

@ScarletxCrimson

Ай бұрын

@@Zulkfathe accusation was that he coerced someone into sex while they were on their period, which is assault. Whether you believe it or not, that allegation is one of assault.

Lucas speaks Hong Kong English and some of the emphasized words sound British

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

Makes sense !

Pay attention to the lyrics where he says “ they tainted the picture but won’t ask who shot em” he’s referring to the sasaeng that posted those pics to create the scandal and ruin his image

@sani2205

Ай бұрын

he did not write these lyrics lol

@moonlightbae_

Ай бұрын

@@sani2205ok it still refers to his scandal

@tiffanyj3030

Ай бұрын

@@sani2205 And neither does 90% of all K-pop and non K-pop artist. Next..

@sani2205

Ай бұрын

@@tiffanyj3030 you worded your sentence as if he wrote the lyrics himself lol

@tiffanyj3030

Ай бұрын

@@sani2205 Ok, this is literally him speaking on what happened. Didn’t say he was the writer. He can express how he feels and theirs writers that write the lyrics. Do u think every member including Nct writes their own lyrics? Ofc taeyong and mark sometimes but for the most part dream, 127 and wayv songs have writers

lucas sounds like he has a baltimore accent lol

@jenniferojie9073

Ай бұрын

😂

Hearing this song sounds like hearing music for the first time!!!! Absolutely in love with the track. I’ll follow Lucas for life.

It is very westernized but I do like the beat and the lyrics. It goes really hard! And I also kinda agree with the English -- I respect it because wider audience, duh, but I also feel like this would eat if there was a Chinese version. Lol I think his English accent is choppy since it's not his native language; even back in the day, his English on songs has been this way.. it's not a front. Speaking of the documentary, personally, I enjoyed seeing/hearing that he's changed his persona to be less cocky & he's listening more; I don't think he's trying to be a bad boy, but I do think he's more hardened because of his experience... I think his outlook on life may not be as positive as it was pre-scandal if that makes sense. I'd also love to hear his vocals more.

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

He is from Hong Kong, the official language was English since 1842, but the one and only official language, de jure and de facto. Althoygh he was born when it was given back to China. Still, his mother tongue is Cantonese, ans that is the main language in the Guangdong region including HK. So Chinese Putonghua is not his first language. In WayV he had to sing in Chinese Putonghua and in English. He does have british pronunciations but he obviously isn't UK native. Whatever option you give him would all be languages that aren't his mother tongue. Would you think it's a good idea to debut rapping in Cantonese? suddenly...?

@janitapegram

Ай бұрын

@@ireneserrano4570 That's very interesting information. I'm just saying that I feel like a Chinese version of this song would be more interesting sonically to the ear coming from him since I'd assume Cantonese is the language he came to Korea using, & the language that feels like home to him. Within the Asian music space, I always gravitate toward non-English versions. There are some English songs that are good, & there are some that sound better in other languages. It's all a matter of preference, really.

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

@@janitapegram yeah, it's always a matter of preference! Cantonese has even more tonrs than the 4 of mandarin, and they also elongate somr promunviations, so i think Cantonese is weird for rapping... i mean, to debut as a solo artist thr wiser choice overall is English. I hope later, when he puts out albums amd maybr writes his own music, he will use Cantonese to express himself!

@powersrainbow6879

Ай бұрын

@@ireneserrano4570 Ya, rapping in Cantonese is extremely difficult. There are 9 tones in the language, it will sounds extremely weird if choosing the words wrongly. There are still good rappers in Hong Kong tho, but they are really really skilled. Not only Canto rap, canto pop song lyrics is actually hard to write as well.

@powersrainbow6879

Ай бұрын

​@@ireneserrano4570 Lucas has some talents on speaking English without canto accent actually. Most of the Hong Kong people, who speak in English fluently, still have really heavy canto accent mixed.

Your review is really the most honest I’ve come across and I appreciate that!

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

Thanks I try!!

Personally love the song and MVs, but especially Plan B. Lucas really did it! You can't keep a good ✨star down. Thank you for the honest reaction!

Lucas exposed his stalker and she made whole bunch of rumors on him which were proven false by clear evidence. She is an active NCT stalker till now. He apologized for exposing his stalker in documentary. Its not fair but that's what SM is known for (they always made their idols apologize even if its not their fault). The song clearly explained his story and stubbornness of haters who still wish to bring him down.

@lillikaaaa

Ай бұрын

this!

Personally, i feel this song is less about "idc about the haters" and more about how people lied on his name and apread hate to destroy him, but he's not going anywhere, and he's ready for war. I feel he said everything he needed to say with this comeback. SM is infamous for making idols apologize even when they are innocent. They made Taeyong apologize for bullying then said it was false years later. SM was trying to "save face" with the Korean audience with that.

Maybe for native English speakers it’s a problem but as a non native English speaker it’s not a problem and i’m kind glad it’s all in English, i think regardless of the accent, his message should reach many people from the start without them having to dig for the meaning. And also i think that in a situation like the one he was in you can feel like he expressed in the documentary and also feel like he says in the song, i mean the sadness and feeling lost in the beginning and even throughout everything it’s very plausible but you can be feeling very angry at the same time, especially if you feel like it’s injustice . And when given the chance to come back, you are entitled to feel confident and have hope so you come up with a song like this and i think this one is very empowering especially for him. Also in plan A you can see that he still expresses that he did indeed at some point feel fear and like being attacked and feeling small , this was expressed through that little mouse and the article the journalist was writing calling it a rat while the orhers where chasing him, and also the mouse after it’s transformation can be seen looking at himself a little lost and confused , and I could go on and on but anyway, you can’t really say there is no correlation between what he said in the documentary and the song

@amanabarbosa2655

Ай бұрын

you were perfect in your placements 👏🏾👏🏾

@fullmoon_O

Ай бұрын

PERFECT 👏👏👏

@lillikaaaa

Ай бұрын

perfect! that “no correlation” comment annoyed me so much lol.

OMG... We foreigners speak 3 languages including English and English native speakers still have the guts to criticize our accent. You guys cannot even speak any other language besides English. Sangue de Jesus tem poder para tamanha chatice. 😅😂 #peace 🕊️

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

I’m bilingual but go off

@fffaheddd

Ай бұрын

Good for you but keep in mind, criticizing someone for their accent ain't cool. U shady af ​@@Koko3op

I didn’t think when I woke up in a Monday morning I was gonna be treated to a diss track by Lucas. The song is catchy, and this song was the exact attitude he’d need upon his return. I love his confidence in this. And while I did enjoy the doc in that it sort of way that it showed us a growth in him. Like, I actually got the feeling from the doc that when he said he was reflecting, he actually reflected. I think the English was because they have a target audience and it’s a western one. And it took me half the day, but I think the only reason plan b exists is because people dissed on bus dancing and plan b was choreo based.

In the documentary he didn’t apologise or admit that he did anything of what he was accused of, he apologised for all the things he got his fans go through bc of the rumours and how bad he felt bc all this happened around his name(and ofc affected his ex members and many other people)so that’s what he basically stating in the song as well I guess,but with a different vibe anyways yes this was a very refreshing sound loved it and really missed him,he is very talented hope they release a dance practice too

如果你對Lucas有個人偏見的，你今天不应该把他放在你的日程安排上

@lillikaaaa

Ай бұрын

很高興我不是唯一這麼想的人 !!

Thank you for the reaction. Love this kid, very proud of the way he came out swingin'. He worked hard on this album and improving himself and it shows. Some of us are old enough to know better than to join the masses for clout. The kid deserves a chance and we are here to give that to him.

Omg thankyou for reacting! FINALLY LUCAS IS BACK✨ he’s so talented, i think after hiatus he has improved so much and i really loveee it, please support lucas, always. I hope Lucas will become a very successful soloist, he deserved the best after taking so much pain, HE DESERVE ALL BETTER!🥹❤️

Really thank you for reacting ☺️

Can we have the female dancer who had always reacted to Lucas, react to Renegade Plan A + B and dance practice, please? We want to see her again. 🙏

Don't be confused. In the documentary, he didn't show any sign neither said he cares about the haters. Remind you, he didn't apologize for any of those allegations or admitted them. Instead he shared how he felt sorry for his members and fans. And shared how he should've been more thoughtful before taking the action on exposing the saseang who later caused all of these mess and drama. Imo, this comeback of him a sololist was GREAT and AMAZING. Couldn't have been any better! From the lyrics to the MV everything described and portrayed his story very well. It was nothing but a straight big slap to the haters

I think you'll like his beside Crushing on you. That song took me by surprise by how much i liked it. I think it's the best song on the album

He speaks like three/four different languages and from what I read somewhere he went to an international school at some point a mixed accent is probably inevitable 😂 It could just be me but I think the documentary may have been more to humanize him and to possibly just answer more questions that were left with no answer when he just vanished without a trace for the last few years. He was treated like he committed some serious crime when it wasn't like that at all. Idk at the end of the day I'm sure this whole thing has been a humbling and lord knows what else experience for him. I'm proud of him and I can't wait to see what happens next. I'm rooting for Lucas.

Its actually smart to give us a diss track on english as his haters mostly comes from certain place 😂

The documentary was for the Korean and Chinese fans, I feel like. The songs being in English is an appeal to western audiences who dont gaf about the scandal. All in all, i dont think its a confusing message. Im sure hes regretful of some of his actions, for which he apologized. But at the same time, a lot of it was bullsh*t. Im not even a Lucas stan and I couldn't believe the hate he was getting. They were treating him like he was Kris Wu or something. It was ridiculous.

I liked it better after the second listen. I loved the plan b version of the mv.❤

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

same!😊

Love his new songs!!! Regardless of the scandal and everything I always loved him as a performer and I am so glad to be able to see him perform again. Also: in the other songs on the album he also finally gets to sing more :)

the goosebumps ahaha😂😂 same!

He is from Hong Kong and his mother language is Cantonese which is different from Mandarin.

I wonder if it's because of the influence of education in Hongkong or his music idol in the industry. But maybe both are influencing. I learned English ans my lecturers used British English, so I automatically imitate the way they pronounce some words, that are quite different from American accent. Later I watched a lot of Hollywood movies, so I also absorb their accent, too. So imagine talking in New York flow/accent but with a lil bit sprinkle of Brits. 😂😂 And I love the song, the music screams 'English', so I couldn't imagine it in other language, especially Chinese 😫.

why his dancing kinda hittin'

Hes from Hong Kong and they kinda have a slight English accent😂 but anyway great reaction love ur videos and opinions.❤

i wonder when do we hear singing from SM. its been a long time.

I loved the song!! What I get from these two versions is that Plan A would be what the company and also society, especially the Korean one, wanted in the first place, which is an apology. So even if he wasn't guilty, or he didn't want to apologize, he could not say no. He was forced to, like many other artists in the K-pop industry, always wanting to find them guilty. Plan B would be him really expressing his truth, telling the world what he couldn't before. PD: The accent thing. As I spanish girl who speaks English as a second language, I get the different kinds of accents that he makes hahaha. It could have been intentional, of course, but in Spain the English that's taught to us is the UK one, but we are constantly exposed to the American one due to TV shows, movies and music. So I get the changes in accent. It happens to me all the time. Overall, I liked his debut as a solo artist. I think it's a good chance to make him shine! Hope to see more from him and your reactions too

yes, u agree, i give them that too. SM had to make this sth different and fresh (not that they invented anything😅) compared to their usual way. This is a special case, and it's also a new era for SM artists for sure

No cuz i literally before wayching it told my cousin they messed uo cuz he was a fan favorite and he said it in the song we lost it. He ate and came back strong

SM always force their artists to apologise for bs, eg Karina apologising for having a boyfriend 💀 maybe Lucas did lead some girls on and he apologised for hurting their feelings but they were petty and wanted to ruin his life so they over exaggerated and claimed SA which is something a lot of stalkers do because they know people are going to take it seriously. I’m glad Lucas got to express some of his emotions at least in this track.

Check out his b sides they have vocals in them

My take on this song is that this is probably what he would wanna say or what he wish he could be.

Someone from the uk telling a Hong Kong kid what language he should rap/sing in. Saying he should in Korean but he’s not even Korean?

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

I only said Korean because he’s still signed to a Korean label and I assumed he’ll still target the Korean audience also that’s all. Not everything is an insult, a combination of Cantonese and English might’ve worked better for certain phrases is my point.

i think its the same with any outburst from fans, we needed to hear his side yk he clearly did nothing wrong to be able to debut again under sm for that matter and i aint gonna lie the british accent is weird for me but thats clearly how hes learning his engwish and thats fine by me

What’s the intro song?

@hanaaihara3282

Ай бұрын

fromis - attitude

Malaysia New Song Before Trending🔥🔥🔥👍🏻👍🏻 Steady Gang - ( 周星翅Chou Xing Chi )mv❤

I think his accent is because Hong Kong was a British colony

i thought it was a late april fools' joke when i got the notification ngl..

@MsTaengo

Ай бұрын

literally !! wtf ..

Do you really think that the documentary was his idea. Most probably was SM who made him do it. I doubt our SM artist have any freedom in the content released

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

Did I say it was his idea at any point? I was obviously voicing my frustration to SM for doing the docu in the first place

There are 3 songs on this mini album. Maybe he’s showing his versatility by giving us this pure hip-hop English song. What if the others showcase Korean. We’ll find out.

Pleaaseee, react to Dip It Low & Crushing On You by Lucas 💗💗🙏

I think they did it in English because it’s a neutral ground. So they’re essentially treading lightly? Also listen to the rest of the album lol. I too didn’t know he can sing.

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

I did lol. Do you guys get to the end of the reactions? So many people do this loool

i do think the documentary was mostly made to explain to his fan what he been through and to ask sorry for his foolishness,and not for his haters at all

I kind of like it, lt has a nice vibe to it. I was confused about the accent as well 😂very western though I feel like to get back in favour with korean fans it should’ve been a korean song?

@Tk-rd6sy

Ай бұрын

Joreeansa can never be pleased. I'd they want him they will comee back but he doesn't need them

The majority of fans who still support Lucas are international fans, until recently it was not even known if he would be able to go to the shows in Korea to promote, did it make sense that he would release the songs in Korean? Let's not even talk about China, the Asian industry in general was not safe for him at some point, I differ with you in that the song gives an idgaf vibe on the contrary it is telling his story, his truth about the whole situation in a cathartic way to through music, the documentary was to explain how he over carried all this and the song is to call up everyone who wanted to tear him down, anyway it is a matter of opinions, some like it, others don't

He be spitting true facts straight to the haters! Love him sm>>

Firstly I'm so happy that Lucas is back. he was just too talented for SM to get rid of. secondly, I think when it comes to this song. its banger. the u.k accent took me by surprise as well but I'll blame that on him still working and learning to improve his English. third, I think if you focus on the song and read the lyrics, its not so much to absolve himself from what he did or that he has now become a bad boy. just like when Exo dropped obsession, it's to weirdos, the blogs the all the people who turned on him and wish him bad because of the scandal. Anyone whose ever pretended like they new the full story of what occurred or what he was actually thinking. its very rare to get a point of view from Kpop artists when a scandal breaks and I commend his bravery in doing so.

I understand your view. I wish Kpop idols would do songs more in Korean too. But I understand why they don't also and I like your reactions but I think it's smart what Lucas did with his song. He could have also done it in Chinese?! Why Korean?

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

I just mentioned Korean since SM is still supporting him and I’m sure he’ll promote in Korea but obviously Mandarin would be fine also.

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

His mother tongue is Cantonese. But it would have been weird suddenly debuting as a solo artist for SM in Cantonese language... He isn't WayV now so he doesn't have to do it in Putonghua (Chinese). To me, even if SM is S.Korean, seems wiser to use mainly English although he does sprinkle a bit of Korean ( think i heard..) to reach international audiences... like XG, Japanese working in S.Korea singing in English...

Lucas did well for his solo debut and will continue to grow as time goes by.👏 Also, for me the song doesn't come across as though he doesn't give a shit about what happened to him in the past... but rather its a message to the haters who will continue to attack him in the future, that he will not let them stop him from moving forward and chasing his goals and dreams...

i'm going to disregard the extreme hate he is getting AND going to disregard the blind adoration claiming 100% innocence. scandals aside, i agree that if this was the message for renegade, the documentary seems insincere? or that the message of the song seems fake? the lyrics, great message. the delivery and rap is on par for an idol rapper? the song itself, the chorus is catchy, i do like that and the bit you liked too (would sound great live with a band no?). lucas isn't known for his dancing, which, he's not terrible but i'm not looking for that. overall, i'm just left thinking why? lol. maybe they'll change my mind if he pops up with some surprise vocal talent but over all i don't get sm's endgame here. he's not bringing anything to the table that's impressive or different ( other than the rollout ). if you're already fan, i'm sure this is fine ( and i'm sure sm is banking on that ) but overall, its nothing spectacular

@niniz_fdmea1758

Ай бұрын

Pourtant moi je ne suis pas fan de lui mais j'ai trouvé les lyrics très intéressantes et je me suis assez attaché à sa musique alors que c'est littéralement la première fois que je fais attention à lui je ne savais même pas qu'il était dans SuperM. Alors en tant que toute nouvelle fan je peux te dire qu'avec son comeback incroyable il a ramené beaucoup de nouveaux fans .

@hyukas_favourite_plushie6037

Ай бұрын

I have not seen evidence that he is 100% innocent, nor do I believe he actually SA'd or gaslighted anyone. I am not going to comment on the cheating because I don't know how true that it, but IMO the whole song and documentary is shady

@niniz_fdmea1758

Ай бұрын

@@hyukas_favourite_plushie6037 what do you mean by shady ??

@hyukas_favourite_plushie6037

Ай бұрын

@@niniz_fdmea1758 The general tone of the whole documentary. The lighting, the way he spoke, as if he only cared about making hismelf look good. You don't have to agree with me, but it's just what I think.

I think SM should have just gone with the Plan B video. It has a nicer vibe, energy and flow than the Plan A one.

I also think the accent is so the "rhymes" sound better : bottom, forgotten, columns, shot'em....

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

That’s a good point

I have a suspicion that his English tutor is actually British so his pronunciation follows that a lot.

Happy to see light skin Lucas back

I just want to say that I'm SOOOOOO HAPPY he's finally back. Renegade is a type of music that gets better and better the more you listen to it. I felt that his voice changed for the better, it improved a lot, as if his voice seemed to have become more “mature” I don’t know if that’s the right word lol, but i loved

Of course he has cared about the haters man¿? it's not a mystery how Asian fandoms are, they act as if they own the idols and that is unacceptable. It was never proven that the accusations for which he was sunk were real. In fact, some were denied.The documentary shows us all the sh*t he has had to endure, which is also not surprising, if we add to the radicalism of the "fans", the pressure to be successful in life whether in Korea, China or Japan. So?? What's wrong with rising from the ashes and recovering from all that toxicity? HE IS SHOOTING FACTS ABOUT K-POP INDUSTRY AND SOCIAL MEDIA. I love you and I love your content, but man! see your face watching the MV!! It's judgment!! Very unfair when no one here knows what really happened... But ya, whatever.

I don't agree when you say that Sm still knows what they're doing because they still get the best dancers and singers in their industry! And I think that's something. :)

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

But they manage them terribly is my point and why many of them left this year.

@folkloreevermore2797

Ай бұрын

​@@Koko3opagree. Many of them left I wonder why🥱

@user-mc3qv4pw1p

Ай бұрын

well no, sm has been a mess for years

SM believes in him but also his fans - He cares haters coz they made him stronger and now, he doesnt care and responds to tell them coz he never did in a way - he needs support💪 and love 💚- he was so anxious at his promotion, everybody deserves a second chance in life - thank you for your reaction

Or it's Australian rap accent?

why don’t we like him?

@LisaMT1218

Ай бұрын

Idiotic rumors about his personal life.

@DrSimpleBeauty

Ай бұрын

Who knows. Some people are just weird.

@katr_i_na

Ай бұрын

cheating on and gaslighting multiple ex-gfs (basically using his power as an idol to coerce them into giving him/buying him stuff). he and SM have basically admitted several times that he's entirely to blame but a lot of his fans refuse to believe he ever did it (obviously) and he's never really apologised to the actual victims, it seems more like he's apologising that he got caught and it fucked his career up.

@DrSimpleBeauty

Ай бұрын

@@katr_i_na my understanding is that those were the ALLEGATIONS, So what he actually did was release her photo (I think on Bubble?) in order to expose her and for fans to dox her (which they did). He admitted to THAT, and said he made a mistake, that hurt WayV, hurt NCT and hurt the sasaeng (by releasing the photo) hurt his fans, his endorsement deals and fucked up his career. If people watch his little documentary and listen attentively, this is the real story.

@katr_i_na

Ай бұрын

@@DrSimpleBeauty Go on then - where did he admit to THAT? Because it certainly sounds like you and the rest of his fans are desperately trying to think of something else he could be apologising for, everything EXCEPT the actual allegations 💀 Which the original apology was literally in direct response to. Be real please.

I was his korean fan, but i don’t like him anymore and also my other friends hate him too i liked his face, vocal but what he did was well,,, i think it's a wise move for him to aim international fans. Bcs Korean fans who like him won't exist. He gave a lot of betrayal.

I understand his story and message he was telling us in the videos. Good job on that part as an artist. If SM would’ve gave the instrumentals to another artist it would be a great debut.

This is not the tea..

@miyalol1862

Ай бұрын

huh

@KYDD_KY

Ай бұрын

???! 😂

@MsTaengo

Ай бұрын

Ikr 🥱

@Dylan-me9nl

Ай бұрын

Such a snooze fest

@nyukyunyu

Ай бұрын

it's kinda disapointing

Spitting facts dissing them haters

Ok so I don't have particular opinions on his scandal because I don't think the accusations were either proved true or false. But idk I'm not feeling his debut. I overall think he is not good enough in either vocals or rap to be an incredible solo artist. The song is not bad but idk. I don't know what I'm feeling. But the energy is there for sure. And the dance too. And the beat is not bad . I just don't think i enjoy his rap for a whole song.

@ericacella1180

Ай бұрын

I like the concept of the song and the video is really well made. As you said, i get what he was trying to say. But I'm not too taken by his voice and rap

@arien_000

Ай бұрын

If you've seen his previous dance performances with WayV this choreo is easier but he doesn't look as good as he did before. He looks heavier (not his weight but his quality of movement) as if he's almost dragging his body. He needs to spend more time in the training room.

@hanaaihara3282

Ай бұрын

yea i agree

In some situations there might be time for him to feel guilty and care about people's perception of him, but i think this song is kind of expression of his self-growth that is going on within him right now, because in the documentary he said that "I wanna get out of this situation/i don't wanna live like this" (he alludes to the hard times and his feelings of guilt) and there's 2nd part of the documentary where he starts to have his confidence back and is motivated, so now he is really moving forward and build kind of bold energy.

I waited two and a half years for Lucas and he gave us the news of his return. A main rapper executing the choreo like a main dancer and displaying the undeniable visuals. That can just be LUCAS, my ultimate bias, the one I can stan my whole life. None of my other Kpop biases can make me feel crazy, addicted and satisfied like he does, honestly... It's our turn, Lucas fans, please watch the music video a lot. Our gift to Lucas should be that he gets into trends. Let's fight to make Lucas trending. DANG DID HE JUST RELEASE A DISS TRACK FOR THEM HATERS & THOSE SINGLE BRAINCELLED FOOLISH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE EVERYTHING LIKE THEY'RE 13 YEAR OLD TEENS?? OMG GO OFF KING♡HE'S SHUTTING MOUTHS!!!!, LUCAS IS THE LUCAS, LUCAS IS THE MOMENT. I LOVE LUCAS. Lucas remains the favorite donates fans. It had never changed. Hugs.❤thanks 👏👏

0:58 why does he low key have an english accent here though

@clandestinecoherence

Ай бұрын

ahhh of course you clocked!

@KY-jd1nl

Ай бұрын

Could be because he's from HK, and they use British English

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

Hong Kong was a British colony... maybe that's a factor to take into account when it was official language for quite a long time, even if now is back to being China, they still like to keep their English-Cantonese duopoly...

Tbh I would've enjoyed a mix of Korean or Mandarin jbc I love his tone when he's singing/rapping in those languages and the nuance of his voice in it, but I'm not too upset about the english. Maybe he was like nah lemme make sure my point is heard loud and clear lol. Also agree w the no doc point, but I'm sure he was "forced" to do that. They really could've said all they needed to say by dropping this as a response to all the criticism etc. But yes, he looks PHENOMENAL as always, the long hair was the perfect choice bc it adds to the visual performance of the song. It makes his movements look even more explosive. Ooh, you know what would've ate?? A Taeyong feature in korean 😲 Just talking his shit w Lucas doing the adlibs etc. Oh my god I NEED IT!!! Looking fwd to what Lucas has otw after this, I hope we get singing and multilingual lyrics bc he can do a lot and I'm here for it all.

@Koko3op

Ай бұрын

Yesss a mix would’ve been good! Omg yes Taeyong would’ve KILLED !!

I like the concept, but if you're going to do English... you need to run it by an English speaker to make the language more clever... it's a little cheesy. Lyrically, it needs a complete rewrite.

my take, the song is not as bad as i thought it would be, it could’ve been better if his rap was better. also the english if he sang in chinese/korean i feel like he could’ve been more on beat? maybe that’s just me 😋

I truly think it was a mistake to remove Lucas from NCT/ WayV in general. The only way it really makes sense to me is if the relationship with the members really Deteriorated behind the scenes. I also don’t like that he put on an accent for this release??? It felt like he copied a demo or something… someone on the discord said that they could see Taeyoung doing well with this song and I can’t stop thinking about that. Overall I’m not sold on the execution of this project other than the choreo and THE PRODUCTION? Fucking delicious! I I’m conflicted-I don’t hate it but I don’t love it either.

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

😭😭 Lucas is from Hing Kong, which was a British colony since 1842 and English was the only official language, de jure and de facto. Even if the british finally gave it back to China, still they keep the education in English a5 schools like anywhere else, obviously they'd have HK native teachers with their "british-Cantonese" tyoe of accent, not a full UK Essex type of accent, obviously!! The fact that he them learned Korean at 16 where they have so many English words but they pronounce them in a korean way all weird, and also USA music and Movies etc with their USA varied accents... It might be weird for an English Native speaker to listen to a not "pure standard" tyoe of English accent. I guess he is the product of globalization and a megamix... Him suddenly debuting as a solo singing/rapping in Cantonese... would be weird as f k no? English makea sense to reach an international audience!! Can't exoect him to have an standard accent, if you aren't native.. Let' just say he has a British-Cantonese type of accent. It's not your Essex accent, and it's not your other british colonies type of accent but a Hong Kong British accent😊

@tiffanyj3030

Ай бұрын

Him staying in the group when there’s jealous solo Stan’s wanting him to leave isn’t a smart move. I wish he was still with the group but ofc with Lucas being Lucas he did what was best for him and the members and left because coming back would’ve made hate worse for the whole group and the bullying wouldn’t have calmed down

@katr_i_na

Ай бұрын

I don't think it was a mistake to remove him - a huge cheating and gaslighting scandal like his would factually have tarnished the reputation and hindered the future success of WayV (especially within the Chinese market), but also NCT in general. I do think it was a mistake to redebut him as a soloist though, this song could've been better had another NCT member done it, like Taeyong as you mentioned. It does feel wrong to me that he's the 3rd NCT member (well, former, but you get the point) to debut as a soloist over all of the other exceptional talent within NCT who are pretty objectively more deserving. Like, he only debuted in 2018 and is already getting his own solo release and promotions... compared to members who've been active since 2016 (or earlier, SM Rookies) and have way more stage presence, skills/talent and passion. It doesn't sit right with me or a lot of others for that reason alone.

@tiffanyj3030

Ай бұрын

@@katr_i_na Seems like u just don’t like him lol

@katr_i_na

Ай бұрын

@@tiffanyj3030 Well no, I generally tend not to like or support abusers in any capacity lmfao. Even when he was in WayV he was my least favourite member because I never really felt like he added anything to the group - since there are already multiple better rappers and dancers, and his looks have never really appealed to me. Much like his addition to SuperM over the numerous other NCT members that would've actually contributed more to the actual music and performances, it baffles me that SM consistently give him more projects/opportunities/promotions than the other, more deserving members.

Totally agree, confusing...and questionable...

Why did you react to bully? You want to give him a platform

@moonlightbae_

Ай бұрын

Bully where?

@aoisotfredaf7546

Ай бұрын

This is honestly getting hilarious lmao, the amount of people who are currently making uneducated decisions just because some ‘stalker chick’ decided to ruin his career as well as his life is beyond me. I don’t know how people are willing to hate someone, just because of baseless rumours ( there has been neither proof on either sides). I absolutely understand if you’re on a neutral opinion, but to down right hate someone baffles me.

His singing keeps throwing me off😂

i don't think he deserves this solo,this is unfair to the people he has hurt.

@chengqifan5071

Ай бұрын

You got hurt?

@lovvvvvejm.

Ай бұрын

@@chengqifan5071 everyone who loves nct has got hurt,espeicially the innocent girls who have been cheated of her feelings and money.i really don't understand why anyone still has pity on him.

@chengqifan5071

Ай бұрын

@@lovvvvvejm. Go get a life

@lovvvvvejm.

Ай бұрын

And there is no evidence to prove that his scandal is fake. On the contrary, the evidence chain of the parties who have been hurt by him is very complete. I don't know where you look for clarification. Maybe it is a cultural difference that makes you think that cheating on multiple girls and insulting teammates as an idol can be forgiven.

@chengqifan5071

Ай бұрын

@@lovvvvvejm. There is also no evidence to prove allegations are true. So get a life instead of spreading hate

A big no from me

@firstlast-wm3li

Ай бұрын

🤡 Anti.

@asareirene

Ай бұрын

​@@firstlast-wm3lichild. Is that supposed to an insult or gotcha moment?

@firstlast-wm3li

Ай бұрын

@@asareirene Cope.

@DrSimpleBeauty

Ай бұрын

It’s hip-hop. It’s giving NAS.

@nyukyunyu

Ай бұрын

@@DrSimpleBeauty please say sike

I feel like the documentary was to clear up everything because of the fact that the past still plays a big role in his life because of how many people dislike him now & don't believe him, yes he cares about the haters but now he's showing them he's a new person and how anything else that happens after this will no longer affect him as much like it use to. I hope he realizes how much fans he still has a becomes a successful soloist, once a neo always a neo🙏🏽

I feel like this song actually has a lot of potential like the music itself is actually rlly good and would def go crazy live but the fact that it’s all in English took away from it a lot😭 bc I was thinking the same thing like he got 50 different accents going on in the same sentence and it just doesn’t rlly work and that’s not his fault I mean English ain’t his first language but yk rapping is about the flow and alliteration and diction. It matters how words leave your mouth when you rap and how they flow with the song and it just didn’t do it for me personally. Also the message of the song is confusing bc #1 like u said it’s hard to believe this whole “Idgaf what the haters say I’m so cool” thing when he made a whole ass documentary showing everyone exactly how much of af he gave and how it affected him💀 and #2 he left the group but he’s still in the same company so it’s just kinda silly to act like “everyone tried to hold me down and I don’t need them” or wtv when ur still with the same ppl that kicked u out the group that you’ve been in for years😭 also him turning into a mouse and dancing on the table had me DEAD

@DrSimpleBeauty

Ай бұрын

It was pure hip hop. How can it “take away” from its language roots?

@ireneserrano4570

Ай бұрын

The whole i dont give af what they say is also part of the mental provess after 2 years in hiatus. And it is also sth that his fans appreciate because they have also been battling in social media against hundreds of thousands of comments and lies, i think fans are loving to sing certain lines to get out their f k n frustration at all those haters