Most informative video I have seen on filter / Yong Heng performance. Thank you for sharing your results and parts details. Have a most awesome day!

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Another great video thanks for all you do for all of us in air gunning

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

After viewing this video a couple times I decided to add both air filtration devices to my Yong Heng unit. Thanks for the information and all you do for us.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment Larry!

@Lecon60

Жыл бұрын

I'm just getting into Air gunning. I'm a retired firefighter and always used the station fill station. Thank you for showing the analysis.

You have the best info on these units!

@TargetForge

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! Got some great stuff coming too! Stay tuned! Check out the Airgun Geeks Podcast as well...

WOW that was cool! Thanks as always Bill Great video!!!!

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thanks Bill, great info!

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Excellent video and information. Thanks!

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

great job your videos are top notch

@TargetForge

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

Yes I checked it and have one one the way. Thanks.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

Great Video Bill! You sure did get Geeky with those Tests!!! 🤓

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

THANKS PAT! You know I like to Nerd out...

Hey Bill. New sub. Just spoke with Patrick at Pyramid Air, and he recommended I watch your videos. I wanna buy the GX CS 2 I think just to fill my Benjamin Akela. I’m getting older and the hand pump is fighting me!

@wruehl

Жыл бұрын

Welcome! The CS2 is tough to beat.

@michaelkav6345

Жыл бұрын

@@wruehl thanks!

Nice to know the oil/water molecular sieve filter does a good job of removing the moisture from the CS2 air! The results of your tests were fascinating (and surprising!)

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Swamp Fox! Thanks for the comment! Just to be clear, oil will deteriorate the media quickly, luckily on the CS2 that is not a problem as there is no oil to begin with. I really hope someone sees the whole in the market for a reliable low velocity separator for the smaller machines. Would stretch that material life quite I bit I figure.

@Swamp-Fox

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge My CS3 is oil bath. I am using Royal Purple synthetic compressor oil. I will have to keep a close watch on my molecular sieve media.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

@@Swamp-Fox Pretty sure that unit has a simple oil/water separator before the outlet. I think you'll be ok.

@donaldotsig6818

Жыл бұрын

So glad to hear molecular sieves work so well as i know one airgun guy with a channel on the tube who says they do nothing. I have done tests with the molecular beads and found no water in the secondary filter after the air is filtered through the sieve and this desicant bead filter os on the low pressure intake side and the last filter on the high pressure side. You can test the desicant by putting a few pellets in the palm of your hand and adding a drop of water if the beads get hot they are still working and still good . Great video as usual

Thanks sir for this important information .Is it okay if we do not change molecule sieves? Thanks

I just found your channel and I'm learning so much already. I've been air gunning since 2018 and got my first pcp with a hand pump in 2019 and its a workout to fill. I then decided to get a yong heng for more trigger time. I've been using mobil1 sae 0w-16 synthetic since the first day. And I do get the oily smell you mentioned like with iso vg46 oil. I notice it takes about 25 minutes under load to start smelling. I do use 2 inline filters with sieves on the air out side. I'm not sure if theres any carbon build up on the smaller piston never had it apart to check. If I switch to using a diester based oil should teardown the pumping unit to clean inside?

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome PJ. Is oil compatibility always an issue? No. If you had a well done, and in depth data sheet on each oil you would have a much better idea going in as to compatibility. It is always good practice to clean the unit well when compatibility is unknown.

@PatLyoutubepage

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge great to know thanks for your help

What is the best sieve 3A, 4A, 5A, 13X, Heard 13x absorbs co2 and that's not needed for airgun use heard it wastes some of the potential as we only target moisture.

Please post a link to the Tuxing filters you use and for the type of media you use in it to renew it. Thanks.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Hello Larry! Did you look in the description? Those links are there.

Is there a filter that can be used with the GX CS2 to make breathable air?

Is there a video showing the build of the yong heng stand you made

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Well, not really. It was built back in 2018 and I had no idea it would be so popular. My access to that shop that contained the tubing bender I used (manual, but very nice if you took your time) is gone. I will be doing a series of videos upgrading the current iteration of the "Wong Way". I could show some of the early fabrication photos I did that might help some folks out.

Thanks for all you hard work. I have the GX CS2 and Tuxing filter with the molecular sieve insert with the round beads vs the crystal desiccant. Is one of these filter medias better then the other? When I bring to the field and use I don’t always have the filter vertical. Is that acceptable or should I build a portable stand to place the filter vertical when in the field? Thanks

@tommanfs6843

2 жыл бұрын

YES I am also interested in the answer here as i have a cs2 and filter with MS i purchased after and added.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome Ken, the prevailing wisdom is to keep that filter vertical. It is also known that keeping the media pressurized with input and output valves is also "best practise" but few of us do that. The by product of the reaction of the molecular sieve media and moisture is acidic and if left in contact with the threads and side wall of your filter housing it can weaken them. Is incidental operation going to cause a failure? Probably not, just inspect well during media changes would be my advice. I also keep the threads on mine coated with a thin application of silicone grease for orings as well. YMMV.

@ronaldgene

2 жыл бұрын

I have this same set up, but am finding it takes over 6 minutes to fill my Taipan Mutant to a reasonable amount. Are you doing anything to reduce run time? I feel bad for putting so much time on the CS2

@wruehl

2 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldgene Thank you for you question Simon. I would not feel bad about using a tool within its limits, 6 min sounds perfect to me. Getting more output from the unit would put it under a LOT more stress. It's a 250W compressor, and you can run it just about anywhere. Fill a magazine or two, wipe the gun down, stay focused on the fill pressure.

@ronaldgene

2 жыл бұрын

@@wruehl Thank you very much for the response, Bill. I want to let you know that you and your content are such a huge asset to the airgun community and I wanted to thank you. One more question though, what are you thoughts on filling one of the smaller blue "Creation Core" cylinders with desiccant? Are they too small (and the air wont settle in there for long enough) to be effective? I just find filling the large gold cylinder such a lengthy process for the little CS2 compressor.

Hi, how donyou know when the molecular sieve is saturated?, and how do you reactivate it?, thank you very much for sharing

@TargetForge

Жыл бұрын

Great question Lev. There are some treated paper strips that change color when exposed to moisture that can work very well. Changing it out based on use works also. The interval will depend on time used and RH when it was used. It is possible to dry the media but it does require kiln level temperatures and it is so cheap, i never bothered to explore that in depth.

@LevWltrLev2-mz6gb

Жыл бұрын

Ok, thank you very much, very nice video by the way

I got a CS4, would it be powerful enough for that oil/water separator to have an impact on the air quality at all?

@TargetForge

8 ай бұрын

Honestly, the CS3 and 4 do a really good job with their on board separators in my experience.

so if im using the GX CS2 does it benefit me at all by using a "tuxing type" molecular sieve filter or am i wasting my time, $$$, and pump pressure filling the thing inline?

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Wasting your time? Ideally the filter SHOULD stay pressurized. So if that is some combination of check valves or manual valves that keep that filter volume pressurized you would not be filling that volume over and over. If this filter setup existed, and it could, with more or less off the shelf parts there would be no impact to fill time. I am also looking at creating a 1/2 or 1/4 size version of that filter to reduce the volume, which would also make mounting a little more feasible. Perhaps next we will tackle the valving issue and see how that goes. The goal in this video was to find a way to dry that output air, and we found a way. Would it benefit from from some optimization? You bet!

New to pcp guns. bought myself an avenge-x and gx cs2 as first toys. So long story short. The ideal gx setup, is with the tuxing molecular sieve vertical.only downpoint is that its gonna take longer to pump,right? Greetz from belgium

@TargetForge

12 күн бұрын

Your solution will result in a LOT of additional time on the pump as that volume will need to be filled each time. Also not having a true coalescer or moisture separator before the media means that you will consume media at a fantastic rate. Thank you for your comment.

Hey Bill, can the beads be refilled on those molecular sieves?

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

You bet! Super easy to change out the media. I get mine in sealed ~one gallon containers from Amazon. amzn.to/3bSgYPq

@bommert3816

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge thanks Bill, do you have any maintenance videos for the GX CS2?

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

@@bommert3816 I have one on disassembly, kzread.info/dash/bejne/mG2L3K6Kodrak5M.html and I'm working on a maintenance series right now for the CS2 and hopefully the CS3 in the future.

@bommert3816

2 жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge thanks Bill, you’re doing a lot of good for the Airgun community.

I am getting the new GX CS4 rated to a fill pressure of mpa40, 5800psi Every oil water separator on the market is rated at mpa30. Can these dessicant filters handle the additional pressure? I only plan to fill my pcp rifles to 4500psi which is just over 30mpa.

@TargetForge

Жыл бұрын

Is your question "Is it okay to exceed the rated pressure on something that is already likely marginal? No, it's not. The likelihood that you will find anything to fill to 400 bar is pretty low, so why would you need anything to go that high?

@DYS_72

Жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge I wouldn’t go any higher than 4500psi but the filters are rated at 4350. Will they handle 4500? Btw love the podcast!👍

hi would a GX be enough for 1 fill 3500 0,8L a week?

@TargetForge

Жыл бұрын

Probably fine doing that. Will you be filling it from 0 psi? or just topping it off?

@carlosf9984

Жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge probably 1 time from 0 and then just top it. not heavy shooter and isnt for airgun but for HPA/airsoft, wich by it self uses lower pressure but came here cuz your vids are well informative. TY for answer

@michaelomalley9992

Жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge I was under the understanding that the bottle/ airgun needed to be at 0 with the CS portable compressors?

@TargetForge

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelomalley9992 Zero what? Degrees, PSI? Inches? Why would you need to empty the bottle? You just leave the vent open until the pump starts then you close the vent. When the pump reaches the same pressure as the vessel air will flow. You DO NOT want to start the pump with the vent closed or under any pressure at all.

@michaelomalley9992

Жыл бұрын

@@TargetForge Start filling with 0 PSI in the bottle. So is that not true any more?

I wonder if a 70/30 blend of desiccants to carbon or even having another tube placed after the desiccants filled with carbon would assist with carbon monoxide removal as shown in the wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_air_compressor under filtration. It's actually funny since just a couple of days before you posted this video I was cleaning out my yong heng and wanted to change over to breathable air to stop the carbon build-up and got the expensive Seco lube. I am really interested that if this oil transition leads to the change of eliminating carbon monoxide.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your comment Matt. I'm not a fan of DIY breathable air with super low cost equipment from companies that do not operate in the mainstream "HUMAN contact" air trade. In fact I pretty much advocate against it. Is a cheap filtration system from China (who your family cannot sue if it goes wrong) a wise choice when human life is on the line? Just gives me the willies... One test is not enough either, you would need to test at regular intervals to understand how your media degraded over time, do any of these filters tell you how often to change the media? Making HPA for a PCP, pretty low risk, worst case you blow a burst disk or push a bunch of junk into your new toy, your sad for a few days, big deal. Breathable air is a whole different thing, people have, and continue to lose their lives. If you saw inside the engineering of these companies, or lack thereof, you would be terrified too.

@TargetForge

2 жыл бұрын

I just read that wiki, and the presumption that activated charcoal removes carbon monoxide is incorrect: -Solid particles from intake air, using paper filters -Water, using water separators, silica gel, activated alumina or a molecular sieve -Oil, using activated carbon or a molecular sieve -Carbon monoxide, using a catalyst (Hopcalite) -Carbon dioxide, using a prefilter (scrubber) may be necessary depending on intake air quality.