LOW BUCK VS BIG BUCK-ARE CRATE MOTORS REALLY WORTH THE PRICE?
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@johncholmes6433 жыл бұрын
With the current price of lumber, the additional cost is the crate itself.
@broc22383 жыл бұрын
Actually surprised the power curves were so close especially between the Kegger and the dual plane. Looking forward to seeing an intake showdown on the junkyard magnum. Keep up the great work and thanks for running through all these tests for us 👍🏻
@edberry78
3 жыл бұрын
I have both the Mopar dual plane and Edelbrock air gap magnum manifold here for my 360. I can't wait to see a side by side.
@karlsracing8422
3 жыл бұрын
The kegger works great to 3500 after that it's done.
@brianhunt6943
2 жыл бұрын
Keggers are great down low they are really an awesome manifold for what they are designed for. Valley cover could be a lot better done but if you want torque to 5k rpm the kegger is your manifold.
@Impactjunky
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how I had to watch this video twice to see that when he says they make the same power the graph actually shows the carb makes 10 more HP and 15 more TQ at the earliest readings below 3000 RPM and the HP difference seems to be even greater at lower RPM. The dual plane and carb actually beat the keg on low end pretty bad and would be much faster than the stock EFI when tested in the same vehicle. I can confirm this too as I have a dual plane carb swapped 5.9 Magnum that is an absolute torque monster running 8.60's in the eighth N/A.
@Go4BrokeOffroad3 жыл бұрын
Even with a $400 ring, bearing, dingle ball job and $1100 Holley it's cheaper than the crate engine.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
Gap the rings, cam and springs, Holley ECU, upgraded injectors too. Then its time for turbo. Everything needs turbo.
@Go4BrokeOffroad
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgeorge4874 hx35w, decapped flex injectors. All of that can be taken when you buy the engine. 500hp in a little Dakota would be wild on the street.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
@@Go4BrokeOffroad whole set of 8 6.4 Hemi injectors in an intake laying in the scrap pile at work, I don't trust decaps, I am going to get a couple of injectors from a CNG truck to send out for testing though.
@Go4BrokeOffroad
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgeorge4874 I've had good luck so far. Afr headed 351w. Decapped, vortech sc.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
@@Go4BrokeOffroad thats cool, and I sure as hell won't criticize I guy thats making it happen. Happy tire smoke, my freind!
@mortensandmoen52083 жыл бұрын
If you put in a 408 stroker kit, cam and new ported heads maby 5500$ but then you get a awsom motor!
@SweatyFatGuy3 жыл бұрын
I get cores, then rebuild them the way I want them. Meaning I run the pistons, rods, bearings, cam, rockers, springs, locks and other stuff that I want, not the lowest cost or stock barely adequate stuff. Not many Pontiac crate engines out there anyway. The rebuilders come with the cheapest stuff, and very mild cams, so I would have to change all that and probably rectify machine work they half assed. With LS engines I will pull them out of a running truck, HPT the ECM, and stuff them in an older truck. Sometimes with a cam, headers, etc. I can build one hell of an engine for the $5k of an average crate engine, and for the $13k some of them cost I can get really stupid making power far in excess of the crate engines. I build them, I know what the hell I am doing, so a warranty is not a draw for me. I build better than mass production.
@AtulPatel-wq8rr
3 жыл бұрын
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@89JDmac
3 жыл бұрын
@@AtulPatel-wq8rr I agree Atul
@evanc6110
3 жыл бұрын
@@89JDmac well said
@Paranoid-loser
2 жыл бұрын
@@AtulPatel-wq8rr I was thinking the exact same thing
@theeincredonle7141
2 жыл бұрын
Well here is 7k build me an engine lol
@dgambrel92413 жыл бұрын
I went to the junkyard got a 78 351w and c6 for $300. Trip to the machine shop $450, rebuild kit with comp magnum 280 cam $385, fresh set of gt 40s with springs and stainless valves $450, performer rpm air gap from market place $175 and a factory refurbed Holley for $250. Runs pretty strong could use a little converter 2k for motor and trans isn't bad.
@heathermiller2917
3 жыл бұрын
I paid $500 for a “running 351w out of a 88 one ton that was used at the fish plant. The guy dripped it off and it looked really rusty from all the salt water. Broke 5 exh studs… then all four outer intake bolt snapped off in the heads. Then one bellhousing bolt!!! Oil pan was soft and started leaking, had to cut the whole bottom off and weld it up. Started taking the waterpump bolts out and of course broke 2 off. This was all due to the inspiration of richard doing the junkyard 351 stuff! Lol! Mains and rods were really good and the cyl look good. Ordered mains/rods/oil pump frim rockauto and got a 69 4bbl intake from my cousin. I have gt40p heads and i think ill stick in the stock roller cam from a 5.0. Long road but cheaper than $5500 i guess.
@JKZ1032 жыл бұрын
I'm a junkyard guy and I'm good with it. You can buy more speed parts with the money saved!
@ragdolltrucking Жыл бұрын
I see alot of comments asking why the keg didn't have any advantage in torque considering thats what it was designed for, if you look closely the dyno numbers start at 3000 rpm, the "keg" improves low rpm torque, the last dyno test i saw was no joke, over a 50 ft/lbs increase in torque at 2000 rpm, its a very complex 60 lbs hunk of aluminum and it does work
@mikeyfourbarrel84733 жыл бұрын
The difference comes down to hassle. The magnum crate engine comes with the LA style timing cover, accessories, oil pan, intake manifold, etc. All you had to do was drop it into your car As a direct replacement for a LA motor, add a carb and you were ready to go. Is that worth the difference in price? Probably not for most people with mechanical skills but it certainly took a lot of the guesswork and risk out of the job. I seem to recall these crate engines costing more like $3500 back in the late 90s. Am I imagining that?
@chipcurrey653
3 жыл бұрын
That price is correct
@aaronbarnes89383 жыл бұрын
Great now our $200 junk yards motors will now be $4000 here once this video gets out .
@kuhndog-1196
3 жыл бұрын
Get them while you can. I can't find them here under 600.
@aaronbarnes8938
3 жыл бұрын
@@kuhndog-1196 I picked up a 95 short block for $125 not long ago it's in great shape and still drilled for LA oiling
@kuhndog-1196
3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronbarnes8938 Well lucky you! I'd love to find a deal like that.
@SweatyFatGuy
3 жыл бұрын
I've picked up several rusty trucks for less than $500, running and driving, since June. Four 6.0s, five 5.3s, a 4.8 and two vortec 5.7 sbcs. Now I can pawn off the junk, fix the decent trucks to sell them, and maybe do a turbo LS in some crap box... for science and fun.
@frigglebiscuit7484
3 жыл бұрын
yup.....
@kevintemmer38933 жыл бұрын
Woohoo! More magnum stuff!
@MRBoatwrights3 жыл бұрын
It seems to me that crate motors are not as cost effective or appealing as they once were. The cost of the crate motors have went up considerably and quality performance parts have came down considerably in price. It looks to me that a lot of the cost for a crate motor is tied up in labor and warranty. I think a lot more power and performance can be had for the same cost of a crate motor if you are willing to do the research and build it yourself. But you will also assume all the liability if anything goes wrong. A lot of people just love the security of a warranty but every time I have ever tried to claim a warranty it was more trouble than it was worth.
@jwatson181
7 ай бұрын
Bingo
@normp3273 Жыл бұрын
I bought the most clapped out 5.9 Magnum from the junkyard years ago. Only thing I've done to it was keep up the maintenance and put headers in a carburetor on. Still going.
@nobleeffort2.42 ай бұрын
I'm amazed the cuves are that similar between the dual plane and keg. Fascinating no doubt
@billbader923 жыл бұрын
Yabut, I get a sticker with the crate motor which automatically makes my car run 10's.... 💩
@slowbra94
3 жыл бұрын
I get stickers with every part on the motor I build. More stickers equal faster et
@shawnm5641
3 жыл бұрын
LMAO!🤣
@440phoenix3 жыл бұрын
Just found this video, and im not getting any notifications...🤔 I'm not surprised that they we're so similar. I new the Kegger wasn't junk.
@hoost30563 жыл бұрын
As long as the ring and valve seal is good in the junkyard motor, spending the extra $5k is pointless.
@Xeil
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly speaking. If I had the money, time and space I would go with a junkyard motor all day. Unfortunately right now I don't so I had a shop put in a crate replacement. Under a 3 year, 100k warranty. With the extra work alongside the motor it was 11k, but my 2002 1500 sport runs and drives great again and it's paid for unlike a new rig with an outlandish price.
@orangetruckman3 жыл бұрын
Spending big $ on a new crate motor is like a warranty, it makes people feel good inside.
@wannabeetiger
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the crate motor does have a warranty! 😆 🤣 Some junk yards will give you a 30 day warranty though.
@diduck6878
3 жыл бұрын
@@wannabeetiger how many junkyard motors can I buy and break for 5K?!.
@stlchucko2 жыл бұрын
For me, it all depends on the situation. My ratty 68 Camino is getting a junkyard 5.3L. It’s a toy/passion project. If it breaks, oh well. It’s built on the relatively cheap. The 02 Tahoe I just picked up is getting a crate 5.3 long block. It’s in good condition. It has a rebuilt trans. It’s a business expense. And the block will come with a warranty.
@adamdeskins58883 жыл бұрын
Love it please keep giving the mopar the love few people do your awesome
@KingdoubleO.3 жыл бұрын
We'd need those 351 Windsor videos rich 🤝🏾🔥🔥
@NVzla3 жыл бұрын
Just watched the vortec head comparison video man. So, perhaps a junkyard L31, vs. a stock replacement crate L31. For the extra cash spent on the new vortec 350, invest same amount into junkyard engine and test. Hope the idea bugs you. Great videos man!
@rotaxtwin3 жыл бұрын
Kinda surprised that the keg intake essentially duplicated the torque curve of the two-plane carb'd setup. I expected those long runners to act more like a Chev TPI intake. Don't remember seeing a comparison of TPI vs Performer for example.
@ragdolltrucking3 жыл бұрын
A magnum short block is another good option if your budget is somewhere in the middle
@erikturner50733 жыл бұрын
These motors are extremely durable, and reliable. If your putting together a show car and you have that kind of money then most will go new crate. If it's gonna be a street machine that's a runner at the strip then anyone who's hands on and in the know is gonna go to the wrecking yard. Especially since these motors are overstocked and a cost effective alternative. Even cheaper if you want the smaller 318/5.2 version.
@D-Mny2 жыл бұрын
I recently bought a 1996 ram 2500, stock engine was a 5.9L 360, but it was swapped out at 330,000km for a crate engine With 100,000km on it. Runs just fine, although I think they were tight on the budget as used original Injectors. So I got some new injectors
@Phil-rs5wl3 жыл бұрын
Everything is more expensive in California, the local u pull here in Michigan it's 169.99+ 50.00 core for any engine but a diesel.
@jvmopar3 жыл бұрын
To turn the junkyard engine into the crate motor you'd have to buy the intake, valve covers, oil pan, pickup tube, timing cover, water pump, fuel pump eccentric (the junkyard cam won't have the provisions for this, so really you'd have to change the cam too), distributor, distributor hold down, thermostat housing, gaskets, etc. So while the junkyard engine looks like a better deal, you really get quite a bit with the crate engine plus it's a new engine.
@aftastosk6016
3 жыл бұрын
I would expect a better camshaft on the crate engine. Richard shows that too in his way by testing a different camshaft only on the crate engine.
@frigglebiscuit7484
Жыл бұрын
no you dont lol. those parts are cheap.
@stevelueb77872 жыл бұрын
You prove what I always said. I can buy the junkyard engine rebuild it at 1/4 of what a crate engine is.
@takeit2-11 Жыл бұрын
turbo magnum! turbo magnum! turbo magnum! What if you put your cam with the kegger and then added turbo? I think your 7875 would be perfect... nice and responsive like on a 6.0L LS and would make more power than maybe you'd want to on stock magnum internals...
@root66673 жыл бұрын
to me, its not what you get, but how long will it last!!.....the difference is for $500 you get somebody elses junk that might make it thru next week...for $5500 you get a new motor built the way you want that should last over 100k miles...you get what u pay for
@takeit2-11 Жыл бұрын
or compare the kegger to a fancy single plane manifold with and without turbo and the cam!
@Youtubeforcedmetochangemyname2 жыл бұрын
So you can take the junk yard motor put the money you saved into the motor and make tons more power in it than the crate motor
@dannychiguina3962 Жыл бұрын
Awesome 😎👍 job guys Keep up the great Build's/Works 🤙
@garymorel18823 жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice how that camera angle and toolbox behind him makes him look like a little kid sitting at the adults table
@jonthomsen7433 Жыл бұрын
I still have a hard time appreciating anything about the mopar 360. Even in the second gen rams they just seem to run kinda ragged when they get older and have lower main bearing issues compared to the lowly 318. Neither of them had respectable power factory but. My two cents. I like the little 318 over the 360.
@vincentrobinette15073 жыл бұрын
For ~$5,000, you could put a pretty good build on a junk yard pick. You can even afford fuel injection, Nitrous oxide, and perhaps, even boost!
@cjbert67903 жыл бұрын
I never had any luck with junkyard motors usually because they are JUNK!
@sepg50843 жыл бұрын
Buying new vs buying used is about having assurance from a new item vs gambling on a used item. Applicable on almost anything. That being said, i'd go with new if i had the money. I'd go with junkyard if i am willing to risk getting a crap used motor.
@blueduster742 жыл бұрын
Finding a JY motor in good shape isn’t easy anymore.
@DG-ox6bg3 жыл бұрын
Dyno runs! That's what we like 👍
@ratherbeboating103 жыл бұрын
I wish shipping were cheaper... I'd love to send Richard my crossfire setups to test with. One bone stock the other ported and I even have a set of bored throttle bodies... I'd be curious to see the "real" difference and it'd be a great other guys. I even have a renegade intake that's a little messed up too. Another great upload any way sir. Keep it up, you keep me sane on the night shift!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
I LIKE THOSE Xs
@ratherbeboating10
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 If you're ever in New Jersey... I'll gladly donate some time in the name of science. 🍻
@blueduster74 Жыл бұрын
Zero miles. But the magnums age well so this will be interesting.
@deanbryan30343 жыл бұрын
Good video Richard should be called Mopar standard replacement motor not Mopar performance haha the results were kinda what is to be expected from a standard replacement engine I would of thought.
@rockymountboy2 жыл бұрын
Insane! Well, at least Mopar is consistent.
@jaybeezi3 жыл бұрын
Are you planning on testing a single plane Mopar M1) manifold vs the dual plane & kegger?
@desmondlott568210 ай бұрын
Just watched this and I'd just buy the 500$ and then buy crank, pistons , rods and heads and still come out cheaper than a create engine..
@wannabeetiger3 жыл бұрын
New versus used. It's up to the person buying the engine I guess. Do you want something that will last or do you want something that is questionable cuz it's used?
@diduck6878
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, depends on rather you plan to keep the vehicle
@nalgas5569
2 жыл бұрын
If you know how to work on the engine buy used but if you don't just get the new one
@wannabeetiger
2 жыл бұрын
@@nalgas5569 I agree
@karlsracing84223 жыл бұрын
Way more interesting than a ls
@89JDmac3 жыл бұрын
Hey Richard, what cam would you suggest for a 5.9 in a Dakota RT? I have an efi M1, Edelbrock RPM heads, F&B 52mm throttle body. Going to get some 1.7 rockers but unsure what cam I should go with. Any suggestion would be appreciated, and thanks for the great Mopar content!
@ez-g30909 ай бұрын
Which one lasts the longest?
@douglascooper19873 жыл бұрын
FastJunk is the Way to Go.😁👍👍
@trianifeA7x3 жыл бұрын
I got a ford 5.0ho for 375 bucks. Everything on it. Ended up buying a engine rebuild kit for 300 bucks. Boom I have a new engine basically 😃. New hypereutectic pistons, bearings all around. Lifters. Oil pump, valve seals blah blah blah. I'd rather build it than get a crate engine tbh. Unless I had money like that. It would be cool to get something built from factory.
@JohnDoe-ml8ru2 жыл бұрын
Now what about doing the Ford 3.8L V6?
@thinkingmanhillbilly3 жыл бұрын
Put a 850 carb on the crate motor and I bet you will break the 350hp mark, not much but I bet it would just make it!
@franklin01c3 жыл бұрын
If any thing ya can rebuild a junk yard motor and beef it up and still spend less money than ya can if ya compare
@brownwrench6 ай бұрын
Keggers are easily modified for more top end by trimming the runners.
@phillipcladis54543 жыл бұрын
Buy a second junkyard motor at have it sit on the shelf just incase! If your the handy type your going to be massively ahead
@stevepotts6113Ай бұрын
Has Mopar Performance discontinued the 5.9L crate motors? I've scoured their site, but cannot find it. Thanks!
@brownwrench6 ай бұрын
Get the Mopar Performace porting template PDF and go to town.
@TheDodgeboy872 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@jlsracing997 Жыл бұрын
Maybe it's just me, but the kegger seems to be dissed on alot, yet the ls has what appears to be a kegger with the throttle body in the front and that seems to be fine. What are the differences that make the ls kegger a better manifold?
@MrMark13252 жыл бұрын
The intake bolts snap on the junkyard motors. Ask me how i know.
@gearhead42662 жыл бұрын
Was hoping the junkyard motor would do good if not better and yah its about the same
@TheSlaughtermatic3 жыл бұрын
A junkyard that will sell an engine for $500 and has sales?!!! Where is this magical wonderland?
@corvettejohn4507
3 жыл бұрын
Don't look now, but in TN, I bought a Gen V 454 complete at the local pull a part for $185 + $50 core charge for $235 total. That's their everyday price for ANY V8 engine.
@dannychiguina3962 Жыл бұрын
Keep it MOPARORNOCAR/TRUCK'S
@cudatali3 жыл бұрын
Any chance you'll be doing the kegger modification in shortening the intake runners to see comparison? Keep up the great content!!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
yes
@russelljackson70343 жыл бұрын
Right on
@regdor81873 жыл бұрын
Wow, why the h3!! are you comparing the price of a junk engine with a remanufactured engine..... A more appropriate comparison, price for price, is to compare a MOPAR Crate with what it would cost You to buy that junk yard Core and have it Remanufactured Locally.... On the up side, thanks for showing that the MOPAR engine, well used, is Still as good as New.....
@justinevans65463 жыл бұрын
But those sweet valve covers
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
Yes they are
@isaace80903 жыл бұрын
Junkyard motors are exciting. You never know what you are going to get with one! You might get an awesome base for a build. You might get a time bomb that is waiting to puke its guts all over the road.
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
And that is exciting HOW?
@isaace8090
3 жыл бұрын
@@davelowets It's as exciting as missing the joke.
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
@@isaace8090 cant see a joke if its not there...
@cjbert6790
3 жыл бұрын
You might gat a cracked block or a spun rod bearing or both (very exciting)
@jongillette78953 жыл бұрын
But what do you put it in? Chrysler, other than the late models hasn't made a swap worthy car since the 70's
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
1981-1984 Dodge Rampage with a 8 3/4 rear on the OEM leaf's. Might need some welding skills.
@billyjarvis27 Жыл бұрын
What thermostat housing/water neck is that?
@midnightrider18273 жыл бұрын
Please put a turbo on the JYD motor!
@juanc51493 жыл бұрын
I wonder if my bone stock h22a4 with 330,000 miles, still makes it’s 200 hp.
@grecoconduris67162 жыл бұрын
I’m in Australia. We don’t have junkyard 360s here. How can I get one of these shipped for my Chrysler Valiant?
@DrBIeed3 жыл бұрын
There used to be a carbed crate version of the Magnum 360 in the Mopar parts catalogue that was rated at 375 or 380 horsepower. I always wondered what the major difference was there.
@evancoleman6396
3 жыл бұрын
Bigger cam different valve springs and m1 single plane intake i believe=380hp. Not much to it really. Same heads and pistons as any regular 360 mag.
@frigglebiscuit7484
Жыл бұрын
bigger cam, single plane intake.
@firebry233 жыл бұрын
Richard you need to learn how to screenshot record your computer and add audio. The rainbows make me nauseous....Keep up the good work 👍
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
i use screen capture on most of my vids
@MrCriminalmischief3 жыл бұрын
For 5500... Id just get a 6.4 hemi.
@brownwrench6 ай бұрын
1.7 rockers are good for maybe another 10hp.
@brianlafollette75303 жыл бұрын
Like good used power!
@dbrandon45283 жыл бұрын
You can’t Buy the crate engine anymore…
@skeetermcvee418010 ай бұрын
Geeze, I thought this was going to be about LS motors. Maybe next time 😂
@mjlsx3763 жыл бұрын
Where do you get these awesome shirts??
@dtruth57692 жыл бұрын
Didn't Mopar performance offer a 380hp magnum version back in the day?
@richardholdener1727
2 жыл бұрын
they did offer a higher power version of the crate motor
@dtruth5769
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Would be nice to test that
@rockymeyers40303 жыл бұрын
Being that the 5.9 has been out of production for years, can you still get a new 5.9 crate from Mopar?
@mikeyfourbarrel8473
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. I’m pretty sure you can’t. All magnums are junkyard engines at this point! :)
@JT-ko3rv
3 жыл бұрын
Companies like ATK sell them pretty reasonably priced better deal than mopar ever was rated at 320 or something like that
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
Probably not from Mopar, but there are other aftermarket companies selling them.
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
The 5.9 was still in production in Mexico in 2008 for the box vans and trucks not imported to USA. I bought a ATK 410 stroker and the block has a date code of Mar 2008
@anthonyv1971
2 жыл бұрын
@@davej3487 does it still hold up? I wanna look for a 360 for a 72 satellite, but most places like summit are out of stock
@codyowens74123 жыл бұрын
What timing are you running on the junkyard one I have a holley sniper/hyperspark system on my 360 magnum, and while it runs good just think there's more in it
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
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@Impactjunky3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comparison. I know for sure there is more top end power to be had with a 4 barrel, I've seen a Motor Trend article where they got 319 HP with the same intake and same size carb, although they used an open spacer and ran no choke flap. I know LOTS of other variables could account for this difference too but we have to admit the kegger and electronic two barrel could never completely match the performance of the carb and intake in a real world application. Even in a condition like this where they make equal top end power the computerized two barrel EFI will never have the bottom end response of a properly sized and tuned four barrel because just like a 2 barrel carb it is a compromise between the ideal size for top end power and the ideal size for bottom end acceleration and fuel economy. Dyno readings are one thing but how fast you get to peak power in a vehicle is a whole different ball game. I"m %100 percent sure if you ran these two fuel systems back to back in the same car the carb would kick the daylights out of the keg by simply reaching peak power faster.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL You just said "the 2 bbl. throttle body apparently can supply all the dry air that small base cam can use" and that is my exact point, it is too big to make low end torque like a four barrel. It's common knowledge in the performance world that a small CFM throttle body gives you better low end throttle response and a larger one gives you better top end power. The 2 barrel throttle body on the kegger suffers from the same airflow/peformance compromise problems every 2 barrel carb does. Yes the intake does have long runners to broaden the torque curve and help you tow heavy loads but it is not a performance setup by any stretch of the imagination. The two barrel throttle body has zero chance of competing with the air speed of a vacuum secondary four barrel. The primary half of a properly sized four barrel carb is about half the CFM of the 2 barrel but more CFM overall when the secondaries kick in. There is no compromise with a four barrel, you have both a small throttle body for crisp low end response and economy and a large throttle body that comes in when needed for the extra top end boost. This is the exact same principle as exhaust size, you put 3 inch exhaust on a street car and you lose low end because you lost all your velocity. Same thing goes for a throttle body that is too big and almost every EFI throttle body I have ever seen including the stock kegger two barrel is way bigger than the primary side of your average four barrel. Here, this article can explain it even better than me. www.badasscars.com/index.cfm?ptype=product&product_id=440#:~:text=I%20know%20to%20most%20of%20you%20this%20sounds,Most%202%20barrel%20carbs%20are%20around%20350%20cfm.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL It does apply. And aren't you the guy that told me a few years back that there was no way in hell my 72 Fury would shift out of 2nd gear at 80 MPH in drive with a 3.73 gear? You told me to look at the gear ratio calculator on andys auto sport and see what it would really do and when I came back and told you the calculator said I was right you deleted one of your replies and stopped responding.
@bcbloc02
3 жыл бұрын
@@Impactjunky restrictive exhaust never adds hp or torque unless your headers and collector lengths are not correct to begin with.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 I don't know much about tuning collector length but I do have a 400 HP Magnum 360 with Hooker long tubes and 2.5 inch pipes with Flowmasters runs significantly better than 3 inch pipes with no mufflers. Also If I am remembering correctly Engine Masters ran a test and saw noticeably more torque from a T shaped Y pipe than 2.5 inch dual exhaust with no H.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL Not trying to beat a dead horse but it definitely does apply, it should be pretty common knowledge that too much throttle body means a lazy low end whether the throttle body is on a carb or an EFI system. Don't believe me then do a quick search and see what kind of forum results you find.
@xx11seczxx3 жыл бұрын
Why do you think it made 40hp over stock? No accessories? the Holley efi? Or underrated factory? Those were rated at 245
@frigglebiscuit7484
3 жыл бұрын
underrated, and the factory efi management is GARBAGE. also, the cams are junk, and they are retarded 3 degrees from the factory.
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
headers, cold, no acc, optimized tune
@hamradioguy13593 жыл бұрын
How about comparing a 408 ls stroker versus a 408 w stroker???
@bdugle13 жыл бұрын
Is the “kegger” a bad EFI manifold or is the M1 a really good dual plane? As others, I would have expected a bigger difference in torque curves.
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
dual plane intakes work very well for this rpm range
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
The Kegger is like a short cross ram. With tuning of the ports thay can flow up to 280 CFM per port UTAwsesome Perf has dyno runs and flow bench tests. They also have a 1280 CFM throttle body
@jaydubb713 жыл бұрын
I hope Michael Buffer doesn't come after you legally for saying "Lets get ready to rumble". I heard he's pretty antsy about people saying that. Lol
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
i said crumble!
@jaydubb71
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 LMAO
@AndyFromm3 жыл бұрын
Nice
@clifff65973 жыл бұрын
Hoi Richard do you do a test for a stroker upgrade for a Mopar 360ci to a 408ci stroker with M1 intake and fuel injection?
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
I have not run that combo
@clifff6597
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 i have that combo in my ext cab dakota and I'm curious about what kind of power that combo can make. A lot of guys have that 360 to 408ci cstroker conversion kit. For my situation personally I have Forged Ross pistons, Eagle forged rods with ported and polished Magnum heads and a holley 2bbl throttlebody. The plan is to add a procharger with 10-12lbs of boost. can you give me some tips on what HP i can expect? I didn't know how to contact you directly to ask you but through this forum
@thegdfp64473 жыл бұрын
Magnum heads won't take LA intakes!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
THEY WILL IF YOU DRILL THEM (AND TAP)
@saxmusicmail3 жыл бұрын
What this showed me, no matter which motor you choose, there's a lot to be gained from long tube headers and the better cam. We still don't know about turning the pistons around. Hint, hint.
@saxmusicmail
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL Good excuse for a good dual plane manifold and carb.
@robc71183 жыл бұрын
G’s Rich! Trying to shame and embarrass MoPar? Ya did a great job.
@notme81213 жыл бұрын
Did u ever use speedmaster heads? If so, are they ok?
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
HAVE NOT TRIED THE DODGE ONES
@that_VAN_Guy3 жыл бұрын
Great Video! I'm a New Subscriber. I Now Subscribe from 2 Different Profiles. I was Wondering if you can Do a 360 Magnum Junkyard Engine Build with Holley Sniper EFI? Recommend Cam, Intake, Headers, & Holley SNIPER EFI Setup. I want to Keep it Fuel injected but Trying to Make Lots of STREETABLE Power for My 1976 B200 Tradesman Shorty Van called "Death Trap" (Videos on My Channel) to Replace the Stock 318 2brl. Remember it's Going in a 70's Van so Header Choices Might be Limited. I Already Own a 360 Magnum that Runs like Brand New in a '95 Ram Van I Own that has Rotted Away Due to Wisconsin Winters.
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With the current price of lumber, the additional cost is the crate itself.
Actually surprised the power curves were so close especially between the Kegger and the dual plane. Looking forward to seeing an intake showdown on the junkyard magnum. Keep up the great work and thanks for running through all these tests for us 👍🏻
@edberry78
3 жыл бұрын
I have both the Mopar dual plane and Edelbrock air gap magnum manifold here for my 360. I can't wait to see a side by side.
@karlsracing8422
3 жыл бұрын
The kegger works great to 3500 after that it's done.
@brianhunt6943
2 жыл бұрын
Keggers are great down low they are really an awesome manifold for what they are designed for. Valley cover could be a lot better done but if you want torque to 5k rpm the kegger is your manifold.
@Impactjunky
2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how I had to watch this video twice to see that when he says they make the same power the graph actually shows the carb makes 10 more HP and 15 more TQ at the earliest readings below 3000 RPM and the HP difference seems to be even greater at lower RPM. The dual plane and carb actually beat the keg on low end pretty bad and would be much faster than the stock EFI when tested in the same vehicle. I can confirm this too as I have a dual plane carb swapped 5.9 Magnum that is an absolute torque monster running 8.60's in the eighth N/A.
Even with a $400 ring, bearing, dingle ball job and $1100 Holley it's cheaper than the crate engine.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
Gap the rings, cam and springs, Holley ECU, upgraded injectors too. Then its time for turbo. Everything needs turbo.
@Go4BrokeOffroad
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgeorge4874 hx35w, decapped flex injectors. All of that can be taken when you buy the engine. 500hp in a little Dakota would be wild on the street.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
@@Go4BrokeOffroad whole set of 8 6.4 Hemi injectors in an intake laying in the scrap pile at work, I don't trust decaps, I am going to get a couple of injectors from a CNG truck to send out for testing though.
@Go4BrokeOffroad
3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesgeorge4874 I've had good luck so far. Afr headed 351w. Decapped, vortech sc.
@jamesgeorge4874
3 жыл бұрын
@@Go4BrokeOffroad thats cool, and I sure as hell won't criticize I guy thats making it happen. Happy tire smoke, my freind!
If you put in a 408 stroker kit, cam and new ported heads maby 5500$ but then you get a awsom motor!
I get cores, then rebuild them the way I want them. Meaning I run the pistons, rods, bearings, cam, rockers, springs, locks and other stuff that I want, not the lowest cost or stock barely adequate stuff. Not many Pontiac crate engines out there anyway. The rebuilders come with the cheapest stuff, and very mild cams, so I would have to change all that and probably rectify machine work they half assed. With LS engines I will pull them out of a running truck, HPT the ECM, and stuff them in an older truck. Sometimes with a cam, headers, etc. I can build one hell of an engine for the $5k of an average crate engine, and for the $13k some of them cost I can get really stupid making power far in excess of the crate engines. I build them, I know what the hell I am doing, so a warranty is not a draw for me. I build better than mass production.
@AtulPatel-wq8rr
3 жыл бұрын
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@89JDmac
3 жыл бұрын
@@AtulPatel-wq8rr I agree Atul
@evanc6110
3 жыл бұрын
@@89JDmac well said
@Paranoid-loser
2 жыл бұрын
@@AtulPatel-wq8rr I was thinking the exact same thing
@theeincredonle7141
2 жыл бұрын
Well here is 7k build me an engine lol
I went to the junkyard got a 78 351w and c6 for $300. Trip to the machine shop $450, rebuild kit with comp magnum 280 cam $385, fresh set of gt 40s with springs and stainless valves $450, performer rpm air gap from market place $175 and a factory refurbed Holley for $250. Runs pretty strong could use a little converter 2k for motor and trans isn't bad.
@heathermiller2917
3 жыл бұрын
I paid $500 for a “running 351w out of a 88 one ton that was used at the fish plant. The guy dripped it off and it looked really rusty from all the salt water. Broke 5 exh studs… then all four outer intake bolt snapped off in the heads. Then one bellhousing bolt!!! Oil pan was soft and started leaking, had to cut the whole bottom off and weld it up. Started taking the waterpump bolts out and of course broke 2 off. This was all due to the inspiration of richard doing the junkyard 351 stuff! Lol! Mains and rods were really good and the cyl look good. Ordered mains/rods/oil pump frim rockauto and got a 69 4bbl intake from my cousin. I have gt40p heads and i think ill stick in the stock roller cam from a 5.0. Long road but cheaper than $5500 i guess.
I'm a junkyard guy and I'm good with it. You can buy more speed parts with the money saved!
I see alot of comments asking why the keg didn't have any advantage in torque considering thats what it was designed for, if you look closely the dyno numbers start at 3000 rpm, the "keg" improves low rpm torque, the last dyno test i saw was no joke, over a 50 ft/lbs increase in torque at 2000 rpm, its a very complex 60 lbs hunk of aluminum and it does work
The difference comes down to hassle. The magnum crate engine comes with the LA style timing cover, accessories, oil pan, intake manifold, etc. All you had to do was drop it into your car As a direct replacement for a LA motor, add a carb and you were ready to go. Is that worth the difference in price? Probably not for most people with mechanical skills but it certainly took a lot of the guesswork and risk out of the job. I seem to recall these crate engines costing more like $3500 back in the late 90s. Am I imagining that?
@chipcurrey653
3 жыл бұрын
That price is correct
Great now our $200 junk yards motors will now be $4000 here once this video gets out .
@kuhndog-1196
3 жыл бұрын
Get them while you can. I can't find them here under 600.
@aaronbarnes8938
3 жыл бұрын
@@kuhndog-1196 I picked up a 95 short block for $125 not long ago it's in great shape and still drilled for LA oiling
@kuhndog-1196
3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronbarnes8938 Well lucky you! I'd love to find a deal like that.
@SweatyFatGuy
3 жыл бұрын
I've picked up several rusty trucks for less than $500, running and driving, since June. Four 6.0s, five 5.3s, a 4.8 and two vortec 5.7 sbcs. Now I can pawn off the junk, fix the decent trucks to sell them, and maybe do a turbo LS in some crap box... for science and fun.
@frigglebiscuit7484
3 жыл бұрын
yup.....
Woohoo! More magnum stuff!
It seems to me that crate motors are not as cost effective or appealing as they once were. The cost of the crate motors have went up considerably and quality performance parts have came down considerably in price. It looks to me that a lot of the cost for a crate motor is tied up in labor and warranty. I think a lot more power and performance can be had for the same cost of a crate motor if you are willing to do the research and build it yourself. But you will also assume all the liability if anything goes wrong. A lot of people just love the security of a warranty but every time I have ever tried to claim a warranty it was more trouble than it was worth.
@jwatson181
7 ай бұрын
Bingo
I bought the most clapped out 5.9 Magnum from the junkyard years ago. Only thing I've done to it was keep up the maintenance and put headers in a carburetor on. Still going.
I'm amazed the cuves are that similar between the dual plane and keg. Fascinating no doubt
Yabut, I get a sticker with the crate motor which automatically makes my car run 10's.... 💩
@slowbra94
3 жыл бұрын
I get stickers with every part on the motor I build. More stickers equal faster et
@shawnm5641
3 жыл бұрын
LMAO!🤣
Just found this video, and im not getting any notifications...🤔 I'm not surprised that they we're so similar. I new the Kegger wasn't junk.
As long as the ring and valve seal is good in the junkyard motor, spending the extra $5k is pointless.
@Xeil
3 жыл бұрын
Honestly speaking. If I had the money, time and space I would go with a junkyard motor all day. Unfortunately right now I don't so I had a shop put in a crate replacement. Under a 3 year, 100k warranty. With the extra work alongside the motor it was 11k, but my 2002 1500 sport runs and drives great again and it's paid for unlike a new rig with an outlandish price.
Spending big $ on a new crate motor is like a warranty, it makes people feel good inside.
@wannabeetiger
3 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure the crate motor does have a warranty! 😆 🤣 Some junk yards will give you a 30 day warranty though.
@diduck6878
3 жыл бұрын
@@wannabeetiger how many junkyard motors can I buy and break for 5K?!.
For me, it all depends on the situation. My ratty 68 Camino is getting a junkyard 5.3L. It’s a toy/passion project. If it breaks, oh well. It’s built on the relatively cheap. The 02 Tahoe I just picked up is getting a crate 5.3 long block. It’s in good condition. It has a rebuilt trans. It’s a business expense. And the block will come with a warranty.
Love it please keep giving the mopar the love few people do your awesome
We'd need those 351 Windsor videos rich 🤝🏾🔥🔥
Just watched the vortec head comparison video man. So, perhaps a junkyard L31, vs. a stock replacement crate L31. For the extra cash spent on the new vortec 350, invest same amount into junkyard engine and test. Hope the idea bugs you. Great videos man!
Kinda surprised that the keg intake essentially duplicated the torque curve of the two-plane carb'd setup. I expected those long runners to act more like a Chev TPI intake. Don't remember seeing a comparison of TPI vs Performer for example.
A magnum short block is another good option if your budget is somewhere in the middle
These motors are extremely durable, and reliable. If your putting together a show car and you have that kind of money then most will go new crate. If it's gonna be a street machine that's a runner at the strip then anyone who's hands on and in the know is gonna go to the wrecking yard. Especially since these motors are overstocked and a cost effective alternative. Even cheaper if you want the smaller 318/5.2 version.
I recently bought a 1996 ram 2500, stock engine was a 5.9L 360, but it was swapped out at 330,000km for a crate engine With 100,000km on it. Runs just fine, although I think they were tight on the budget as used original Injectors. So I got some new injectors
Everything is more expensive in California, the local u pull here in Michigan it's 169.99+ 50.00 core for any engine but a diesel.
To turn the junkyard engine into the crate motor you'd have to buy the intake, valve covers, oil pan, pickup tube, timing cover, water pump, fuel pump eccentric (the junkyard cam won't have the provisions for this, so really you'd have to change the cam too), distributor, distributor hold down, thermostat housing, gaskets, etc. So while the junkyard engine looks like a better deal, you really get quite a bit with the crate engine plus it's a new engine.
@aftastosk6016
3 жыл бұрын
I would expect a better camshaft on the crate engine. Richard shows that too in his way by testing a different camshaft only on the crate engine.
@frigglebiscuit7484
Жыл бұрын
no you dont lol. those parts are cheap.
You prove what I always said. I can buy the junkyard engine rebuild it at 1/4 of what a crate engine is.
turbo magnum! turbo magnum! turbo magnum! What if you put your cam with the kegger and then added turbo? I think your 7875 would be perfect... nice and responsive like on a 6.0L LS and would make more power than maybe you'd want to on stock magnum internals...
to me, its not what you get, but how long will it last!!.....the difference is for $500 you get somebody elses junk that might make it thru next week...for $5500 you get a new motor built the way you want that should last over 100k miles...you get what u pay for
or compare the kegger to a fancy single plane manifold with and without turbo and the cam!
So you can take the junk yard motor put the money you saved into the motor and make tons more power in it than the crate motor
Awesome 😎👍 job guys Keep up the great Build's/Works 🤙
Anyone else notice how that camera angle and toolbox behind him makes him look like a little kid sitting at the adults table
I still have a hard time appreciating anything about the mopar 360. Even in the second gen rams they just seem to run kinda ragged when they get older and have lower main bearing issues compared to the lowly 318. Neither of them had respectable power factory but. My two cents. I like the little 318 over the 360.
For ~$5,000, you could put a pretty good build on a junk yard pick. You can even afford fuel injection, Nitrous oxide, and perhaps, even boost!
I never had any luck with junkyard motors usually because they are JUNK!
Buying new vs buying used is about having assurance from a new item vs gambling on a used item. Applicable on almost anything. That being said, i'd go with new if i had the money. I'd go with junkyard if i am willing to risk getting a crap used motor.
Finding a JY motor in good shape isn’t easy anymore.
Dyno runs! That's what we like 👍
I wish shipping were cheaper... I'd love to send Richard my crossfire setups to test with. One bone stock the other ported and I even have a set of bored throttle bodies... I'd be curious to see the "real" difference and it'd be a great other guys. I even have a renegade intake that's a little messed up too. Another great upload any way sir. Keep it up, you keep me sane on the night shift!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
I LIKE THOSE Xs
@ratherbeboating10
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 If you're ever in New Jersey... I'll gladly donate some time in the name of science. 🍻
Zero miles. But the magnums age well so this will be interesting.
Good video Richard should be called Mopar standard replacement motor not Mopar performance haha the results were kinda what is to be expected from a standard replacement engine I would of thought.
Insane! Well, at least Mopar is consistent.
Are you planning on testing a single plane Mopar M1) manifold vs the dual plane & kegger?
Just watched this and I'd just buy the 500$ and then buy crank, pistons , rods and heads and still come out cheaper than a create engine..
New versus used. It's up to the person buying the engine I guess. Do you want something that will last or do you want something that is questionable cuz it's used?
@diduck6878
3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, depends on rather you plan to keep the vehicle
@nalgas5569
2 жыл бұрын
If you know how to work on the engine buy used but if you don't just get the new one
@wannabeetiger
2 жыл бұрын
@@nalgas5569 I agree
Way more interesting than a ls
Hey Richard, what cam would you suggest for a 5.9 in a Dakota RT? I have an efi M1, Edelbrock RPM heads, F&B 52mm throttle body. Going to get some 1.7 rockers but unsure what cam I should go with. Any suggestion would be appreciated, and thanks for the great Mopar content!
Which one lasts the longest?
FastJunk is the Way to Go.😁👍👍
I got a ford 5.0ho for 375 bucks. Everything on it. Ended up buying a engine rebuild kit for 300 bucks. Boom I have a new engine basically 😃. New hypereutectic pistons, bearings all around. Lifters. Oil pump, valve seals blah blah blah. I'd rather build it than get a crate engine tbh. Unless I had money like that. It would be cool to get something built from factory.
Now what about doing the Ford 3.8L V6?
Put a 850 carb on the crate motor and I bet you will break the 350hp mark, not much but I bet it would just make it!
If any thing ya can rebuild a junk yard motor and beef it up and still spend less money than ya can if ya compare
Keggers are easily modified for more top end by trimming the runners.
Buy a second junkyard motor at have it sit on the shelf just incase! If your the handy type your going to be massively ahead
Has Mopar Performance discontinued the 5.9L crate motors? I've scoured their site, but cannot find it. Thanks!
Get the Mopar Performace porting template PDF and go to town.
Love it!
Maybe it's just me, but the kegger seems to be dissed on alot, yet the ls has what appears to be a kegger with the throttle body in the front and that seems to be fine. What are the differences that make the ls kegger a better manifold?
The intake bolts snap on the junkyard motors. Ask me how i know.
Was hoping the junkyard motor would do good if not better and yah its about the same
A junkyard that will sell an engine for $500 and has sales?!!! Where is this magical wonderland?
@corvettejohn4507
3 жыл бұрын
Don't look now, but in TN, I bought a Gen V 454 complete at the local pull a part for $185 + $50 core charge for $235 total. That's their everyday price for ANY V8 engine.
Keep it MOPARORNOCAR/TRUCK'S
Any chance you'll be doing the kegger modification in shortening the intake runners to see comparison? Keep up the great content!!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
yes
Right on
Wow, why the h3!! are you comparing the price of a junk engine with a remanufactured engine..... A more appropriate comparison, price for price, is to compare a MOPAR Crate with what it would cost You to buy that junk yard Core and have it Remanufactured Locally.... On the up side, thanks for showing that the MOPAR engine, well used, is Still as good as New.....
But those sweet valve covers
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
Yes they are
Junkyard motors are exciting. You never know what you are going to get with one! You might get an awesome base for a build. You might get a time bomb that is waiting to puke its guts all over the road.
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
And that is exciting HOW?
@isaace8090
3 жыл бұрын
@@davelowets It's as exciting as missing the joke.
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
@@isaace8090 cant see a joke if its not there...
@cjbert6790
3 жыл бұрын
You might gat a cracked block or a spun rod bearing or both (very exciting)
But what do you put it in? Chrysler, other than the late models hasn't made a swap worthy car since the 70's
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
1981-1984 Dodge Rampage with a 8 3/4 rear on the OEM leaf's. Might need some welding skills.
What thermostat housing/water neck is that?
Please put a turbo on the JYD motor!
I wonder if my bone stock h22a4 with 330,000 miles, still makes it’s 200 hp.
I’m in Australia. We don’t have junkyard 360s here. How can I get one of these shipped for my Chrysler Valiant?
There used to be a carbed crate version of the Magnum 360 in the Mopar parts catalogue that was rated at 375 or 380 horsepower. I always wondered what the major difference was there.
@evancoleman6396
3 жыл бұрын
Bigger cam different valve springs and m1 single plane intake i believe=380hp. Not much to it really. Same heads and pistons as any regular 360 mag.
@frigglebiscuit7484
Жыл бұрын
bigger cam, single plane intake.
Richard you need to learn how to screenshot record your computer and add audio. The rainbows make me nauseous....Keep up the good work 👍
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
i use screen capture on most of my vids
For 5500... Id just get a 6.4 hemi.
1.7 rockers are good for maybe another 10hp.
Like good used power!
You can’t Buy the crate engine anymore…
Geeze, I thought this was going to be about LS motors. Maybe next time 😂
Where do you get these awesome shirts??
Didn't Mopar performance offer a 380hp magnum version back in the day?
@richardholdener1727
2 жыл бұрын
they did offer a higher power version of the crate motor
@dtruth5769
2 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 Would be nice to test that
Being that the 5.9 has been out of production for years, can you still get a new 5.9 crate from Mopar?
@mikeyfourbarrel8473
3 жыл бұрын
Good point. I’m pretty sure you can’t. All magnums are junkyard engines at this point! :)
@JT-ko3rv
3 жыл бұрын
Companies like ATK sell them pretty reasonably priced better deal than mopar ever was rated at 320 or something like that
@davelowets
3 жыл бұрын
Probably not from Mopar, but there are other aftermarket companies selling them.
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
The 5.9 was still in production in Mexico in 2008 for the box vans and trucks not imported to USA. I bought a ATK 410 stroker and the block has a date code of Mar 2008
@anthonyv1971
2 жыл бұрын
@@davej3487 does it still hold up? I wanna look for a 360 for a 72 satellite, but most places like summit are out of stock
What timing are you running on the junkyard one I have a holley sniper/hyperspark system on my 360 magnum, and while it runs good just think there's more in it
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
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Thanks for the comparison. I know for sure there is more top end power to be had with a 4 barrel, I've seen a Motor Trend article where they got 319 HP with the same intake and same size carb, although they used an open spacer and ran no choke flap. I know LOTS of other variables could account for this difference too but we have to admit the kegger and electronic two barrel could never completely match the performance of the carb and intake in a real world application. Even in a condition like this where they make equal top end power the computerized two barrel EFI will never have the bottom end response of a properly sized and tuned four barrel because just like a 2 barrel carb it is a compromise between the ideal size for top end power and the ideal size for bottom end acceleration and fuel economy. Dyno readings are one thing but how fast you get to peak power in a vehicle is a whole different ball game. I"m %100 percent sure if you ran these two fuel systems back to back in the same car the carb would kick the daylights out of the keg by simply reaching peak power faster.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL You just said "the 2 bbl. throttle body apparently can supply all the dry air that small base cam can use" and that is my exact point, it is too big to make low end torque like a four barrel. It's common knowledge in the performance world that a small CFM throttle body gives you better low end throttle response and a larger one gives you better top end power. The 2 barrel throttle body on the kegger suffers from the same airflow/peformance compromise problems every 2 barrel carb does. Yes the intake does have long runners to broaden the torque curve and help you tow heavy loads but it is not a performance setup by any stretch of the imagination. The two barrel throttle body has zero chance of competing with the air speed of a vacuum secondary four barrel. The primary half of a properly sized four barrel carb is about half the CFM of the 2 barrel but more CFM overall when the secondaries kick in. There is no compromise with a four barrel, you have both a small throttle body for crisp low end response and economy and a large throttle body that comes in when needed for the extra top end boost. This is the exact same principle as exhaust size, you put 3 inch exhaust on a street car and you lose low end because you lost all your velocity. Same thing goes for a throttle body that is too big and almost every EFI throttle body I have ever seen including the stock kegger two barrel is way bigger than the primary side of your average four barrel. Here, this article can explain it even better than me. www.badasscars.com/index.cfm?ptype=product&product_id=440#:~:text=I%20know%20to%20most%20of%20you%20this%20sounds,Most%202%20barrel%20carbs%20are%20around%20350%20cfm.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL It does apply. And aren't you the guy that told me a few years back that there was no way in hell my 72 Fury would shift out of 2nd gear at 80 MPH in drive with a 3.73 gear? You told me to look at the gear ratio calculator on andys auto sport and see what it would really do and when I came back and told you the calculator said I was right you deleted one of your replies and stopped responding.
@bcbloc02
3 жыл бұрын
@@Impactjunky restrictive exhaust never adds hp or torque unless your headers and collector lengths are not correct to begin with.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@bcbloc02 I don't know much about tuning collector length but I do have a 400 HP Magnum 360 with Hooker long tubes and 2.5 inch pipes with Flowmasters runs significantly better than 3 inch pipes with no mufflers. Also If I am remembering correctly Engine Masters ran a test and saw noticeably more torque from a T shaped Y pipe than 2.5 inch dual exhaust with no H.
@Impactjunky
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL Not trying to beat a dead horse but it definitely does apply, it should be pretty common knowledge that too much throttle body means a lazy low end whether the throttle body is on a carb or an EFI system. Don't believe me then do a quick search and see what kind of forum results you find.
Why do you think it made 40hp over stock? No accessories? the Holley efi? Or underrated factory? Those were rated at 245
@frigglebiscuit7484
3 жыл бұрын
underrated, and the factory efi management is GARBAGE. also, the cams are junk, and they are retarded 3 degrees from the factory.
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
headers, cold, no acc, optimized tune
How about comparing a 408 ls stroker versus a 408 w stroker???
Is the “kegger” a bad EFI manifold or is the M1 a really good dual plane? As others, I would have expected a bigger difference in torque curves.
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
dual plane intakes work very well for this rpm range
@davej3487
3 жыл бұрын
The Kegger is like a short cross ram. With tuning of the ports thay can flow up to 280 CFM per port UTAwsesome Perf has dyno runs and flow bench tests. They also have a 1280 CFM throttle body
I hope Michael Buffer doesn't come after you legally for saying "Lets get ready to rumble". I heard he's pretty antsy about people saying that. Lol
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
i said crumble!
@jaydubb71
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 LMAO
Nice
Hoi Richard do you do a test for a stroker upgrade for a Mopar 360ci to a 408ci stroker with M1 intake and fuel injection?
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
I have not run that combo
@clifff6597
3 жыл бұрын
@@richardholdener1727 i have that combo in my ext cab dakota and I'm curious about what kind of power that combo can make. A lot of guys have that 360 to 408ci cstroker conversion kit. For my situation personally I have Forged Ross pistons, Eagle forged rods with ported and polished Magnum heads and a holley 2bbl throttlebody. The plan is to add a procharger with 10-12lbs of boost. can you give me some tips on what HP i can expect? I didn't know how to contact you directly to ask you but through this forum
Magnum heads won't take LA intakes!
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
THEY WILL IF YOU DRILL THEM (AND TAP)
What this showed me, no matter which motor you choose, there's a lot to be gained from long tube headers and the better cam. We still don't know about turning the pistons around. Hint, hint.
@saxmusicmail
3 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL Good excuse for a good dual plane manifold and carb.
G’s Rich! Trying to shame and embarrass MoPar? Ya did a great job.
Did u ever use speedmaster heads? If so, are they ok?
@richardholdener1727
3 жыл бұрын
HAVE NOT TRIED THE DODGE ONES
Great Video! I'm a New Subscriber. I Now Subscribe from 2 Different Profiles. I was Wondering if you can Do a 360 Magnum Junkyard Engine Build with Holley Sniper EFI? Recommend Cam, Intake, Headers, & Holley SNIPER EFI Setup. I want to Keep it Fuel injected but Trying to Make Lots of STREETABLE Power for My 1976 B200 Tradesman Shorty Van called "Death Trap" (Videos on My Channel) to Replace the Stock 318 2brl. Remember it's Going in a 70's Van so Header Choices Might be Limited. I Already Own a 360 Magnum that Runs like Brand New in a '95 Ram Van I Own that has Rotted Away Due to Wisconsin Winters.
Fix your sound pls