If it is from a desert country the plastic tube might be an attempt to protect the users cheek from a hot metal stock.

@itsapittie

Жыл бұрын

Or a cold metal stock. Either is a plausible explanation.

@AshleyBlackwater

Жыл бұрын

yeah, i'm not sure why this thought didn't occur to an expert, odd

@davydatwood3158

Жыл бұрын

@@AshleyBlackwater I suspect Jonathan hasn't done a lot of shooting in very hot (or cold) outdoor environments, and the whole "the sun made that very hot don't touch it" thing is one most people don't think of until they've personally encountered it. Even experts have biases based on their normal, day-to-day experience.

@WardenWolf

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think it was just for comfort in general. Some people paracord wrap their metal-frame stocks for this exact same reason.

@cantsneedgaming4591

Жыл бұрын

​@@AshleyBlackwater he doesnt actuslly use them to do anything with

The "weird plastic pipings" on the folding buttstock struts are common flexible corrugated conduits for protecting electric cables. As other viewers have pointed out, they're there not for aesthetics, but for the practical purpose of insulating the cheek from the metal surface on a hot day or a cold night.

@superdupergrover9857

Жыл бұрын

I was wondering if someone had posted this already...

@LRRPFco52

Жыл бұрын

Extreme cold climate will freeze your cheek to the rifle.

@user-in4mi2gw2x

Жыл бұрын

@@superdupergrover9857 same here cant understand how he couldnt work that out, an expert hey? 😂

@Halal_Dan

Жыл бұрын

@@user-in4mi2gw2x He heard it was from Iraq and decided to try and make it look stupid, "crude pistol grip" when the lines are smooth and ergonomic, if it was from a white country he'd be calling it an "interesting piece of ingenuity"

@johnryan3940

Жыл бұрын

Some brown lad with a chip on his shoulder.

That's more of a handheld stun-grenade than a rifle.

@peterclarke7006

Жыл бұрын

Have you seen the forgotten weapons video on the mc51? That'll give you an idea of how right you are 😂

@WhiskeyTape

Жыл бұрын

@@peterclarke7006 Wasn't it HK51?

@stanislavczebinski994

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiskeyTape Yes it was. The SAS' Full Auto Flashbang Dispenser.

@peterclarke7006

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiskeyTape technically it's a bit of both. The mc51 was the "official" name for the lunacy that the sas asked for, the hk51 was sort of the civilian version (I'm assuming the civilians in question were fighting armoured space elephants, or something...)

@Col_Mustard

Жыл бұрын

It can also haphazardly serve as something in-between a fragmentation and a HE grenade.

The NZ and Australian SAS in Vietnam modified their SLRs by cutting the barrel down and modifying them to full auto for the shock and awe factor at close range in the jungle. Their philosophy, operating in small teams was to break contact as quickly as possible and move away. The sound and muzzle flash of a burst of fully auto fire from a cut down SLR was pretty intimidating and helped to get the enemies head down and appear to be far more fire power than just that of a small recon team.

@ohmbre300

Жыл бұрын

look up what the Aus SASR did with the SLR (the bitch)

@maddogmorgan1

Жыл бұрын

Was going to comment the same thing!

@killzoneisa

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the under slung grenade launcher model called The Bit ch (space so the comment can show)

@tigerpjm

Жыл бұрын

Those clever Aussies...

@roscoefilms

11 ай бұрын

@@tigerpjm all it took was a toothpick somewhere in the trigger assembly

The plastic wrap around the stock ought to be pretty effective at preventing frostbite to the face when using it it in cold weather.

@mohammedcohen

Жыл бұрын

...my first impression also...

@DaSpineLessFish

Жыл бұрын

Or more likely if the story is true, to stop burning your face in the hot sunny climate when shouldering

@robertsmith4681

Жыл бұрын

@@DaSpineLessFish That too, works either way. i've used these kinds of wire stocks and you will indeed give yourself either frostbite or a burn using them depending on weather condition, unless you cover them up with something.

@samwalker7567

Жыл бұрын

Personally I'm expecting it to be covering up some really rough welds because to me it looks like someone has cut about an inch out of the stock, possibly to improve gun fit (if somehow that even matters for this abomination) or simply for "more shorter".

@martkbanjoboy8853

Жыл бұрын

I am guessing it works like a straight pull bolt action due to a lack of design work. The damaged bore - I am imagining a bored fourteen year old kid overshooting the drilling on a cheap Chinese bench top drill press - ugh!

I know it's sacrilege, but I like it, and I DO think it looks cool. I love weird semi-field crafted firearms.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

A neat idea done buy a gunsmith that did a poor job

@mgtexan4721

Жыл бұрын

Gotta make do when your life depends on it. I can respect it. However I'm guessing the original operative of this firearm has moved on to the ancestral plain.... forcefully. 😂

@itsKNR

Жыл бұрын

True, it doesn't look that bad tbh.

@olgagaming5544

Жыл бұрын

Lol I instantly recognised it, was my favourite gun in Tarkov xD

@FuckGoogle502

5 ай бұрын

I'd like it more if they had left the folding stock latch intact.

The other advantage of a shortened L1A1/FAL was the intimidation effect when used to break contact for a recon patrol. An ARVN patrol commander that was mistakenly engaged by an SASR patrol with modified L1A1s reported the noise effect was more like being ambushed by multiple .50cal MGs and his troops reacted accordingly....

Fun fact, if you buy a shortening kit for FAL barrels; khaki short-shorts are included, and mandatory to wear.

@marcondespaulo

Жыл бұрын

When firing a shortened FAL wearing khaki short shorts, the rate of fire goes up a good 20%. If shirtless, the accuracy in full auto goes to 1MOA.

@ImOwenWilson

11 ай бұрын

Lt. Jim Dangle: “I don’t see a problem”

@aerthreepwood8021

11 ай бұрын

Also, you suddenly become a psychotic racist.

@donkeydonkey8681

11 ай бұрын

going to fight the holy war in shorts? strong move

@j-rocd9507

11 ай бұрын

What kit comes with a pith helmet?

I don't recall ever hearing Jonathan describing a gun as "junk", a title this gun certainly deserves.

@GARDENER42

Жыл бұрын

Having seen a FAL which survived more than 18,000 rounds without cleaning & another which still held to 4" @100yds after more than 50,000 rounds, I no longer consider any functioning example to be junk. Suboptimal perhaps but still good enough to match most user's eyesight &/or ability.

@jimjolly4560

Жыл бұрын

@@GARDENER42 If there's a significant chance of a barrel or breech rupture I think it's a stretch to call this a functioning example!😀

@kolega4ever

Жыл бұрын

​@Gardener42 the issue is the gun is junk not because it does not work, but because it might Kentucky Ballisticks on You.

@GARDENER42

Жыл бұрын

@@jimjolly4560 There's a big difference between a litigation averse, museum specialist's report & the real world. In another life, I saw significant numbers of FAL barrels bulged near the muzzle, courtesy of using inappropriate blank ammunition with BFA's. The government concerned, shrugged & kept those rifles in active use & none were recorded as suffering from the problem. Many ended up in the US in the late 90s/early 2000s & are still running today. Perception & risk aversity is all...

@MrSwccguy

Жыл бұрын

Oh no, obviously you haven't seen the trash AK type 1

Thank you for commenting on the “right arm” phrase. It’s so proliferate in even general firearm circles and I had never heard the about its proper origin beyond “lots of Western nations adopted it”. Thank you, excellent pick from the collection

@xxxmikeyjock

11 ай бұрын

more commie shot with an FN then any other weapon post ww2

@clawabidingcitizen

Ай бұрын

Proliferate is a verb, not an adjective.

@abjectpermanence5279

Ай бұрын

@@clawabidingcitizen You’re right! Good catch

@Calqid

25 күн бұрын

Proliferous, you say? Proliferate should be an adjective

I noticed the Royal Armouries do have a couple Brazilian Imbel rifles, both derivatives of the FAL. It would be nice to see a video of them.

@long-hair-dont-care88.

Жыл бұрын

Don't all wear capes.

When I joined the Aussie Army in 1983, the official nomenclature for our SLR was that it was our "MBR" or "Main Battle Rifle". Also, in 2007, I was offered one of these, almost identical, from the Black Market in Afghanistan. I suspected it was a Peshwar Valley copy.

@1337flite

Жыл бұрын

The official nomencleture for the Australian. FAL was stamped into the rifle itself was "RIfle, 7.62mm L1A1" (sadly I no longer own mine thanks to John Howard) . The full name from the Manual of Land Warfare - the "pam" or "pamphlet"- "7.62 mm Self Loading Rifle L1A1". I sitll have my copy of that somewhere.

@BeardedChieftain

Жыл бұрын

@@1337flite On the TO&E (not stamped into the rifle) it was listed under "MBR" or "Main Battle Rifle". We did, in fact have secondary rifles, notably the M16A1 and the M85 Parker-Hale.

The L1A1 was my first rifle and this poor abomination of a rifle gives me heartburn just looking at it... Thank you for the great work you do as whenever I visit the family I do try and visit the Leeds museum... which is an amazing place the museum not so sure about Leeds though...

@FuckGoogle502

5 ай бұрын

Rofl as an American who grew up hearing "England is pretty cool, but avoid Leeds unless you wanna know what it feels like to get stabbed" this is pretty funny to me. Guess it hasn't changed much lol (To be fair, my city is turning into the Wild West today and I don't have any room to talk.)

@hmmjedi

5 ай бұрын

@@FuckGoogle502 to be fair it could be a whole lot worse aka could be Manchester or London...

That looks like shooting it on full auto might be a rather intense experience (assuming it’s select fire)… Edit: oh, apparently it may explode

@peterclarke7006

Жыл бұрын

Nothing says "intense" more than your own gun blowing your head off 😂

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

I'm not convinced it would outright explode, but it would probably struggle with cycling reliably.

@peterclarke7006

Жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine well... I'm not an expert, but Jonathan seems slightly leery of it, and that's good enough for me. He may be a brit, and a non-military brit at that, but he's had more hands-on experience with firearms than most of us have had cereal for breakfast. If he says be afraid, I'm happy to be afraid.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

@@peterclarke7006 It's not something I'd load and fire with my own hands without first doing the old With A String From Behind A Tree exercise for a couple dozen rounds, but I think that since it's properly headspaced, it's probably not going to blow. What I'd be worried over is if the rifle is properly gassed, and if the piston is going to beat the snot out of the bolt carrier and receiver.

@tyrantworm7392

Жыл бұрын

That's if it goes fully into battery before the protruding firing pin kicks the primer hard enough for detonation :D

Be willing to bet the plastic on the stock tubes is protection for the shooter's cheek against a painfully hot or freezing cold bare metal stock. I suspect eith thr super shorty barrel, it's slightly more likely to be concerns of hot metal rsther than freezing conditionsm

Thanks again Jonathan and team. This almost seems like a real world example of the kind of 'junk' gun that you start out with in some FPS games, before you get the chance to upgrade to better items.

@Matt-md5yt

Жыл бұрын

Yes, or the more realistic way fallout could handle their weapons

Would have been nice to see it beside a regular FAL

I know pretty much nothing about firearms but I really enjoy watching him talk about them.

7.62x51 PDW.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

It would certainly help with defense. Nobody wants to get near you when you carry that thing

Looks like a parts kit rifle we were building in the late 90's/early 00's in the US from surplus rifles that had been de-mil'd and sold as spare parts. You could get a kit from $100-$200 and an upper receiver for about the same amount, back then. Some guys experimented with a short barrel and short stroke piston system, done in their home workshops. Headspacing was the easiest thing to get right when working on them. A lot of folks couldn't get the builds correct, so they sold them off to poor, unsuspecting suckers. They were a lot of fun to build, and ammo was cheap - some guys could pool their money and order surplus ammo by the pallet.

Kind of reminiscent of my FAL except I did mine properly. Mine 16 inch barrel, SAW pistol grip, L1A1 charging handle, L1A1 mag release, L1A1 safety selector, Railed dust cover. Fun to build fun to shoot .

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a fun blaster.

'Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly' the most British term for it will blow the hell up

If this thing is from a cold environment i would suggest that the stock plastic covers could just be a way of preventing your face from touching metal when you aim. Could also presumably be better in a hot condition, as plastic heats up slower than metal

Ian Yuel used a shortened FAL in the Wild Geese.

@454FatJack

Жыл бұрын

Some Uzi and Sir R Moore used P38 silenced😅

Ah yes: the repeating flash bang device.

I just like how you guys refer to Ian McCollum on Forgotten Weapons for info about the Para FAL. He’s officially a professional source!

Rhodesian FAL was initially shortened for the RLI paratroopers where it was common for full length barrels to get bent when landing on operational jumps

Jonathan, being a fan of the MP-5 why don't you make a "What is that weapon" with a HK G53, lot of people aren't aware of this weapon history and existence and it would be cool to see it getting some recognition !

@maxjoechl5663

6 ай бұрын

The reason people aren't aware of the "HK G53" is probably that such a thing never existed, unless you mean the HK53 (without the "G"). Basically, the HK numbering scheme is different from the MP/G/MG designation. With the HK53, the "5" identifies it as being the size of a carbine/SMG, and the "3" denotes the caliber (5.56x45mm). You can see that the "G" designations are different from H&K's numbering scheme by comparing e.g. the HK41 (semi-auto rifle, 7.62x51mm) with the G41 (an improved version of the HK33, an assault rifle chambered in 5.56mm), or the HK11 (magazine-fed machine gun, 7.62x51mm) and the G11.

It resembles the cut down FAL used by the Argentinian Federal Police except theirs came with a forward pistol grip, just a standard FAL pistol grip mounted to the underside of the gas block.

We ran F1A1 when i was in service, loved this rifle, the 7.62 round was perfect.

Keep up the good work and great content! Love yall!

Quite an intersting example of a firearm. Thx for the Video

All things considered, whoever owned this gun in its service life clearly loved it very much(or maybe was forced to), enough to optimize the stock for a hot desert day/freezing night, and enough to refinish the gun with a new pistol grip and ergonomic charging handle. I personally quite like it, I think its a gun with a lot of character

A FAL is one of the items still on my "to acquire" list. I've got a few FN-49's and they're great rifles too. Quite similar in their internals but are built much more along the lines of a pre WW2 infantry rifle with a wood stock. I'd love to get a Canadian military FAL but you'd have more luck finding a bushel of hen's teeth.

I have been lucky enough to hold one of these things and it was quite the treat. pretty neat rifle!

With the gas port location the bolt must give a massive jolt when it hits its rearward end of travel.

While at university in the UK in the early eighties I played soldiers in the OTC so was running around with an SLR. I loved it. Someone has been very mean to that poor FAL Jonathan, give her a pat from me before you put her away.

I love that they kept the carry handle

My experience with the SLR is that the weak spot was the gas port, what happened is that people didn't clean the barrels properly after using BFAs, so you'd get a ring of carbon in the barrel which increased gas pressure with live ammunition. That led to gas port erosion and damaged the gas plug and the piston and then the rifle stopped working. People forget that the main reason for the adoption of the SA80 was because the SLRs were worn out, and the SA80 was delayed. If you go to a shorter barrel you also bugger up the gas system, it's not a good idea. The SLRs were put in war reserve, that was a pretty big contract to repair them from what I recall, some company down in Devon? Can't remember the name. Anyway, I was always of the opinion that the purpose of the SA80 was to make FIBUA easier, the explanation of "it fits into a Warrior IFV" was the official reason, no one wanted to say: "it fits into a terraced house in Belfast more easily."

I'm poor and live in the US this is the closest I'm ever going to get to your museum thank you for these videos

@DigitalMonsterO1

11 ай бұрын

It's not as if he can own anything cool in that museum anyways. It's a very sad reality to work with guns in a country that hates their own people having them

@tombakabones274

11 ай бұрын

@@DigitalMonsterO1 true but his job lets him get the closest anybody in his country is going to get to owning any of those guns so there is that at least

...gotta be the most bestest euphemism of of ALL TIME..."Rapid, unscheduled disassembly..."

How about doing a video on how these weapons are acquired by your institution, and from where? The relationships involved, permits/paperwork, etc, would be interesting...

I was in the South African military when we used the FAL (R1, as we called it) and built 2 examples here in the US - metric-pattern 21" and and 18" Para. Now, I was a contractor in Iraq for OIF II and III ('04 and '05) and there was a building in Camp Cooke (an Iraqi military facility in Taji, some miles north of Baghdad) full of rusty FALs - so the one Jonathan's clutching may very well have been sourced from a place like that.

i believe the plastic around the stock is for reducing discomfort in hot or sub-zero environments. the finns did something similar with the rk rifles.

i love the almost forensic accuracy of your statements and comments about this weapon!

Does changing the position of the front sight forwards or backwards mess up the elevation adjustments of the rifle? I don't mean in the short term, but the graduations of 100m 200m 300m etc built into the rear sight.

i wonder why Jonathan didnt bring in an emotional support FAL just to ease his pain

@JohnHughesChampigny

Жыл бұрын

Would have been great to see this side by side with a L1A1 SLR.

@wolfesbane4263

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnHughesChampigny i wouldve loved to see one

“Has been bodged onto the gun “. Love when Jonathan uses technical language.

one of the FALs I have in my own collection is a brand spanking new (2019) DS Arms FAL in nearly this exact configuration. And I can tell you that I LOVE IT !!!!... Don't get me wrong, I love my 21" FAL and my "old school" L1A1 with its S.U.I.T and wood furniture (not original woof, sadly) is one of the first rifles I ever purchased about 40 years ago I would never think of selling. However, the DSA shorty PARA is wonderful. It is fun and fast and is something quite different than the ubiquitous AR style rifles everyone uses here in the US. Granted, my shorty is newly manufactured here by an excellent company that puts out a quality product, and it is not a chopped-up, bastardized assembly of rusted junk. I can tell you my shorty FAL always gets the envy at the range or in the woods. She is a hell of a truck gun and unmatched at dropping feral hogs. (shorty has put a lot of meat in the smoker). Perhaps its just deep-fried, American hillbilly sense of the aesthetic, but I like it. The one you are showing, maybe after a few drinks and from a somewhat greater distance, but yeah,, I like it.

i think the stock is like that for comfort metal heats up and freezes that plastic stuff shouldn't get as hot or cold

Not one but two meme titles. Good job Royal Armouries.

@RoyalArmouries

Жыл бұрын

We do what we can 😅

I always like the short barreled variants, I would have to say the FAL OSW is one of my dream guns. Garand Thumb did a video on it and boy it is a sexy firearm.

For some reason I really like this one. It shows what an Iraqi Bubba could do to a nice and perfectly good firearm. I think American Bubbas should take note and stop. I think the folding buttstock is fine and I don't see any reason why a small spring clip couldn't have been attached to the carrying handle to hold the buttstock in the folded position. The Iraqi Bubba may very well have known that the headspace was important and may have gotten his hands on a set of gauges. Also, the plastic on the struts is so you don't burn your face if the rifle has been in the sun for a while. The Bubba also knew the fact that when you severely shorten a barrel, you have to move the gas block and hole so that it won't adversely effect the bullet velocity more than cutting the barrel has already done. Look at the first iteration of the M16 carbine and all the trouble they went through to finally get an efficient short barreled rifle that didn't have all the troubles that you get when you cut the barrel, but not move the gas block. That was my two cents. Have a grand time

My dsa osw shorty FAL is my favorite. Very loud but it’s awesome!

Once again great video.

"Massacred"?! That thing is AWESOME! It's the FAL version of an HK51.

@RoyalArmouries

Жыл бұрын

Well, there's something for everyone I guess. 😅

The plastic sleeves on the stock serve two purposes - one is to maintain the stock at a mangeable temperature, which is especially important in cold climates. the other is to mitigate stock slap that's generate by recoil.

My favourite Firearms Expert talking about my favourite Firearm? Oh yes please

The look of confusion and disgust just sells it! :D

the PARA-FAL(as we call in Brazil) was designed and is used(to this day) to parachutist units ONLY(as exception a few police special units use them aswell), due to its size and foldable stock, very very trustable weapon that can resist pretty much all sorts of weather without jaming(if made by real factories like IMBEL, not diy ofc)

@No-mq5lw

Жыл бұрын

Brazil doesn't really have many sandy conditions, and that's where the FAL's Achilles heel shows itself. Doesn't look like Imbel ships them with sand cuts either by default. Imbel's online catalog only shows the boujee carbine length IA2s with the sand cuts, while the rifle length PARA doesn't have it. That's with qualitative anecdotes from US, British, Isreal experiences with the rifle as well.

@polacobr

Жыл бұрын

@@No-mq5lw The entire Northeast region of Brazil is pretty much sand soil, search for "CAATINGA" and you will see what iam talking about. You are right about the IA2s, as a much newer project, it is considered an even more trustable weapon, wich is the main reason why the Brazilian army plans to substitue every FAL for IA2s in the next years

The definition of "Make do and mend" I like it.

Omg! Bet muzzle blast and recoil is unbelievable!

In one of my stories the characters would describe that as a 'tenderizer'. Good enough to get fast and messy, no loss to dump.

its a curiosity for sure, thanks for sharing

America considered using a version of the FAL, at West Point Museum there is an experimental version with wooden furnishings on it.

Some original Belgian type III 50.63 Paratroopers came with folding charging handles, similar to the charging handles on the British L1A1’s. I can’t tell which one that rifle has.

The FrankenFAL ! I would guess that the plastic tubing encasing the butt stock may have been installed to help stop the metal frame becoming hot in the sun or cold on desert nights , and to assist the user form a more comfortable cheek weld . Weird guns are always really interesting , it would be nice if the museum could get hold of a correctly modified "official" conversion . Stay Safe & Stay Well , catch You next episode .

The piping on the stock is so you don't freeze to it Or get burnt by it in the heat Someone mentioned the freezing part I just saw, but for leaving in the heat, dark painted metal is gonna get hot

It may be a piece of junk, but that weapon has a lot of character to it. And it may not be worth preserving every gun with a bit of kit-bash character, but there's something about that particular FAL rifle. It just looks like it has quite a story behind it, even if we're not quite sure what it is.

Speaking of mini FALs: Does the RA have one of the Brazillian 5.56 FALs? I’m doubting it, but might as well ask.

I trained with the SLR at RMC Duntroon in 1991, after starting on the M16A1. The Austeyr was in service by then, and training units were usually first to be assigned new equipment, but RMC was last to get the F88 because they couldn't work out how to drill with it

@cookie5535

Жыл бұрын

How to drill with it? Lmfao priorities. Its why American traditionalists will never accept a superior bullpup

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

@@cookie5535 I would say the matter of a bullpup's superiority is rather subjective one.

@BeardedChieftain

Жыл бұрын

The F88 should never have been issued to anyone let alone Cadets at Duntroon. Drill was the least of the worries with that platform.

@0neDoomedSpaceMarine

Жыл бұрын

@@BeardedChieftain How so? I think this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone actually taking issue with the Steyr AUG, even bullpup haters seem to begrudgingly admit that it's a good rifle.

@BeardedChieftain

Жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I'll retype my reply. The F88 was not the best weapon in the trials by any means and I suspect kickbacks were involved in the decision. The execution of producing the rifle at Lithgow Small Arms was poorly executed resulting in mechanical failures that saw, I believe, us armed with a very unsafe firearm. At least one Soldier died and the resulting investigation showed that the rifle had a mechanical failure resulting in that death. In fact a factory mod was released to address the failing trigger sears. It was then and is now a poor rifle and if I had to choose between it and the L1A1 and only those two, I'd take the L1A1 any day and two of the on Sunday. Luckily for me, I am too old to ever go back to combat zones, but if I was still young enough, I'd refuse to carry anything chambered in 5.56.

I did see a very similar weapon with somebody in the Kosbs in 86. Exercise E.T.

as a woodworker that grip looks pretty good, curves are hard!

When I had a personal FN FAL one of the things I liked about it was the intimidatory factor of it's sheer size! Agree it was awkward in type spaces. Fulton's of Bisley fitted a heavy barrel (which seemed even longer in my memory). Very accurate and comfortable to shoot. It is in the basement of the Imperial War Museum now is that anything to do with you? I've been out of the country for 35 years.... P.

We used to use that piping on our bike chains back in the 80's. I think it was electrical piping for electronics.

1:32 I would've never guessed that you'd call this the biggest drawback of the FAL! To my mind, it's actually the fact that it was designed for two cartridges with much less recoil before being finalized for a full-powered one, and this had begot all other troubles. 1:56 The reasons seem very clear to me: steel is far from being comfortable to touch in both cold and hot weather, and it also doesn't provide the best gripping surface when you need it on your stock. 3:45 So, it's only 3 cm longer than MC51 barrel? Now, I can only imagine the sound and flash it produces! 4:56 And with all this trouble they somehow kept the carry-handle, which is almost useless on such a short rifle, takes up weight and rattles a bit. 6:20 Why would you call it crude? It seems well-made to me. 7:11 It looks like a very reasonable choice for a compact variant.

@HappyBeezerStudios

Жыл бұрын

The whole ordeal with how "the" NATO rifle never came to be is really a proper shitshow

@F1ghteR41

Жыл бұрын

@@HappyBeezerStudios Well, there wasn't enough politicization of the matter and weren't enough wacky designs submitted for it to be a proper shitshow.

Elbonian Airbourne Forces standard issue. TEL would then be the Territorial Elbonian Legion

It would be absolutely sick to see a version of this that's refined to be more reliable and maybe chambered in 556. I like seeing miniaturized versions of beefier guns, so this is really cool to me, even if it is probably correct to call it junk.

@zchris87v80

Жыл бұрын

Could that be the Armalite AR18/AR180/180b? Would love to find a Sterling-made one of those.

@gregorysteffensen3279

Жыл бұрын

the fundamental problem with the FAL that's seen it get replaced by AR-18 derivatives (I loosely count the SCAR in the bucket even if it does have some FAL-esque features as well) is the tilting-block bolt mechanism. Reliable, but not nearly as accurate as modern Stoner-style locking lugs, hence why accurized FALs for designated marksman rifle roles have never been terribly successful

@F1ghteR41

Жыл бұрын

Brazilian IMBEL got you covered. They do make something that fits your description, although they have changed the locking mechanism to rotating bolt.

It's basically a miniaturized FAL Para. I've shot an MC51, basically a 10" barrelled HK G3. They're not called "Flash-Bang dispensers" for nothing. That FAL is as cool as it's unwieldy.

I'm reminded of that scene in Garth Marenghi's Dark Place, where Sanchez shoots his pistol with another pistol.

Interestingly indicative to the now-older DSA OSW 13" guns, I frankly enjoy the look of the super-shorty 7.62 NATOs, ala OSW, HK-51, etc. Some know the (more popular) 11" OSW and the horrifying HK51 or DSA Para 8" guns, but 7.62 NATO's velocity REALLY tanks under 13 or 14 in, obviously the cartridge thrives under 20 or 22 in barrels.

@blackrat1228

Жыл бұрын

Iirc ballistically 7.62 NATO turns into expensive 7.62x39 once you get down to common SBR barrel lengths.

Looks like one of the ones Tosh Yule used in that '70's documentary on Africa, "The Wild Geese". The magazine he used was a bit longer, thirty-rounder or possibly forty-rounder.

I absolutely love short rifles and a lil' shorty FAL is at the top of my list of favorites

The dsarms FAL’s are gorgeous

Its a thing of beauty!!!

Starts with "you'll probably notice something wrong" with a disappointed face 🤣🤣

I put a 11.5 inch dw barrel in my lmt MWS with a warcomp on it , went night shooting with it, and literally blinded everyone that was with me …It was awesome

Would love to see you also shoot these devices in your videos!

Just love the FAL, be it short or long.

Why not showing the long FAL for visualisation of the differences like the barrel? And why should a shorter barrel be a problem? For the m16 there are also short barrel versions.

@exexpat11

Жыл бұрын

Gas, pressure, blow back, barrel harmonics, and peak potential of the round are all factors. The OEM FNFAL was tuned by engineers to be the best it could be by design. The AR/M-16 has had problems in shortening the barrel but work throughs and redesigns to make it work have happened over time. This FN was garage built and not tuned. See other rifles that have had trouble; the Springfield SOCOM is prone to jams because of the short barrel (even though the original Tanker M-14 and Garand had no such troubles) due to the redesigned gas system and the until fairly recently Mini 14's and their accuracy due to poor barrel harmonics.

Despite the obvious FAL blasphemy, I still think it looks pretty damn cool and way more handy than a normal FAL.

Upon the unwieldiness of "battle rifles" Doing my military service as a pioneer (combat engineer) equipped with the G3. When building bridges sometimes a soldier found himself with the weapon on one side of the girders and his body on the other side connected to each other by the sling, hopefully one of his comrades where able to uncouple the sling from the weapon, sometimes this where impossible and then the parts of the bridge had to be dismantled (in wartime under time constraint cutting the sling where a valid option)

I think the tubing could be on the stock one can aim down the sights in super hot or cold weather.

If this massacred FN FL was used in extreme conditions (very hot or very cold) then "something not metal" is a good idea to have on the stock, to get a cheek-weld on, without getting stuck or scorched.

The FN FAL is a metric piece and only produced in metric , all others are licensed imperial manufactured by UK , Australia etc . Plastic stock guards for protection from heat or cold . The charging handle assembly does not interchange between the 2 readily , without a considerable amount of work including notching the receiver and bolt carrier and not a simple bodge or swap . The other distinguishing feature that appeared on the L1A1 variants by this time which would have been useful here was the bolt carrier dust/sand grooves . This cocking assembly was also used for some AR15 upper receiver forgings for left hand cocking along with the existing rear charging handle . If you happen across one of these, the FN FAL cocking assembly does not fit , nor can it be made to fit as the detent that communicates with the carrier is in a completely different position on its slide . This FN may have been modified here in the UK , if its 1975 Persian origin can be substantiated. A contemporary rifle , the G3 had been successfully modified in the UK in the 80s to a shorter length carbine with collapsing stock for a special forces , policing role under contract to Turkey . The G3 having no gas system to worry about , of course . I mention this as clearly the H&K styling was used for the pistol grip design.

As soon as I was old enough, I acquired an Argentine FAL. I wanted a Belgian, but they were just too expensive in the US. Its a great gun. I also got a M1A (M14) about the same time, but the FAL was my favorite. It just seemed to be more ergonomic. I still like a left-side non reciprocating cocking handle and the magazine release. It just seemed more modern. I don't know why the US didn't go for the T48 instead of the M14. I know, I can read the test report myself.

@josephk.4200

Жыл бұрын

The FAL is certainly a much better weapon than the M14, but it was the US Ordnance Dept that weaselled the M14 into service over the FAL, just as they tried to sabotage the adoption of the M16 by providing improper powder loads to soldiers in Vietnam. There was a congressional investigation into this, and ordnance was found to be the culprit.

@josephk.4200

Жыл бұрын

The FAL is certainly a much better weapon than the M14, but it was the US Ordnance Dept that weaselled the M14 into service over the FAL, just as they tried to sabotage the adoption of the M16 by providing improper powder loads to soldiers in Vietnam. There was a congressional investigation into this, and ordnance was found to be the culprit.

@josephk.4200

Жыл бұрын

The FAL is certainly a much better weapon than the M14, but it was the US Ordnance Dept that weaselled the M14 into service over the FAL, just as they tried to sabotage the adoption of the M16 by providing improper powder loads to soldiers in Vietnam. There was a congressional investigation into this, and ordnance was found to be the culprit.

@albertoponce1223

11 ай бұрын

I was used for long years an argentine FAL. In the Airborne Brigade, the change was for a 50 63. I love the Para.

One of the more interesting weapon's you've shown us i'd say, it looks like it may have one mighty story. Perhaps a well-liked weapon, used and repaired until its condition became a total mess haha

Don't shorter barrels also often impart less spin stabilization to the projectile? I always assumed that was the primary reason for less "accuracy" in a shorter barrel.

@SuperFunkmachine

Жыл бұрын

in theory but most guns have enough barrel to spin the bullet.

The plastic pipe is to reduce clanking against your webbing metal buckles hooks magazines ect. Normally it would be timber and not be a problem.

What is this? AN FAL FOR ANTS!? 😂😂 great reference