Longlegs Review: Does It Live Up To The Hype?
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Osgood Perkins, the son of the iconic Psycho star Anthony Perkins, has crafted one of the darkest, most nihilistic horror movies I’ve seen in years. A fellow critic turned to me as the credits rolled as asked me, “dude, did we just see a classic?” While it’s too early to say, I nevertheless found myself deeply shaken by this nightmarish thriller.
Written by Chris Bumbray
Narrated by Chris Bumbray
Edited by Lance Vlcek
Produced by John Fallon
Executive Producer: Berge Garabedian
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Seeing Nicholas Cage go from a demented revenge driven husband to a quiet reserved janitor fighter to a goofy interpretation of Dracula to a hideous insane killer just shows his insane acting skill
@rari2943
12 күн бұрын
He’s been on a roll lately. Dream Scenario, Reinfield, now Longlegs. He’s doing a speed run across all the genres and is nailing it so well in every role. He’s so underrated
@crimsonngb32
12 күн бұрын
@@rari2943 have you seen Mandy and color out of space? Two of the best movies ever made literally
@rari2943
11 күн бұрын
@@crimsonngb32 no I don’t think I’ve heard of those, I’ll definitely check them out though.
@crimsonngb32
11 күн бұрын
@@rari2943 the first one Mandy is what I was referring to in the comment about the demented husband
@rari2943
11 күн бұрын
@@crimsonngb32 ah ok. I was wondering so I’ll check it out
Longlegs, Maxxxine, and Nosferatu all in the same year, a good time for horror fans.
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
And a Quiet Place Day One which is not really horror but I heard it has a lot of jump scare moments
@rodtaylor5476
17 күн бұрын
Alien: Romulus
@rockkiller124
17 күн бұрын
Terrifier 3 is my most anticipated grindhouse horror
@alphadraconian1114
17 күн бұрын
maxxine is not horror lool.
@nate6430
16 күн бұрын
Quiet place day one was ass 😂@@Model_Roe
The fact that you used a photo of gary glitter to describe Nicholas Cage's character lets me know how f*cuked up he'll be
@Wolfie66
18 күн бұрын
I agree! Gary Glitter was a pedo creep.
@user-sy4vf8yn1n
17 күн бұрын
Too compare anything to gary glitter is actually quite a low blow for the movie as that sick person should just be forgotten.
@CatherinePearl100
15 күн бұрын
He started his career specializing in f’ed up characters, and then he went mainstream. I’m glad he’s returning to the kind of parts he played so well in his youth.
@superfurryfox1
14 күн бұрын
Horror movie staring a Jimmy Saville styled character would be some scary shit
@StarStarbreez
11 күн бұрын
@@superfurryfox1 Hows about that then never mind jim will fix it jimmy here to fix you up real good
I thought this was going to be a monster movie about a giant spider.
@StingBear
18 күн бұрын
same xD
@nileshollowthorn
18 күн бұрын
No that’s Sting
@drugsmcsnortington
17 күн бұрын
I thought it was gonna be a giraffe...
@m35926
17 күн бұрын
Thats Enemy with Jake Gyllenhaal
@KDrop84
16 күн бұрын
I thought it was going to be about a man sowing people together to make a spider
Thank you for not spoiling this and respecting fans need to see it for themselves.
This and Robert Eggers Nosferatu are the two films I'm looking forward to, longlegs looks like it'll be more unnerving.
@furleysbrain
18 күн бұрын
Have you seen the trailer for Cuckoo??? Looks really really solid
@jamiemacdonald5203
18 күн бұрын
@@furleysbrain just watched it now, you're right.
@Monz805
18 күн бұрын
Mandy? Or Color out of Space ..highly recommend both..✌️
@afunkymonke
18 күн бұрын
@@Monz805 color out of space is an inferior film as it does not include cheddar goblin 😎🤣
@Godzillafan1980
10 күн бұрын
Assferatu
Nic’s voice from the trailer sent a chill down my spine
@sweet.n0thing
17 күн бұрын
😂
@reduXstereo
16 күн бұрын
H U U H U H
@jacobangeles5539
12 күн бұрын
UOHHHHHUOHHHHH T H E R E S H E I I I I I S S S S S
These comments are wild. Either people loved it, or they aggressively, AGGRESSIVELY, hated it. It may not have been the scariest movie I’ve ever seen but I liked how dark the themes were and it kept me interested the whole time. Overall I have to say I really liked this one.
Maika owns the horror genre. I have faith that above all: she will deliver. The cast is refined and smart, so I will go into this excited but cautious. Can’t wait.
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
Agree 💯 I think Mia Goth and Maika Monroe are the new scream queens of the 2020s taking the throne from Neve Campbell and Jennifer Love Hewitt
@robalexander2016
15 күн бұрын
What else has she been in? Not familiar with her work
@Model_Roe
15 күн бұрын
@@robalexander2016 She was in Watcher
@TommyDay-kq1jj
15 күн бұрын
@@Model_RoeTRUE
@aaronsanders6162
15 күн бұрын
? She hasn’t really done anything herself to stand out, just been in some good movies
We need an intense horror movie that’s going to make you feel uneasy, thinking about it at night. That’s how I want it to be. This has a feeling to it that it might be good. I hope so
@mitchwayland7687
7 күн бұрын
its horrible
@ice.man95
7 күн бұрын
@@mitchwayland7687Horrible as in tense asf and anxiety inducing, yeah.
I can't wait to see this movie.
This movie might give me nightmares and I cannot wait!
Blackcoat's daughter was such a haunting experience. It does not contain lots of jumpscares but the atmosphere was so well built..... I cannot express how much I wait for this and especially to see Nic as Longlegs.
@kristennoelle9447
13 күн бұрын
Amen!!!
I thought it was ridiculous and stupid. Why would the FBI not have it on file that the same woman from “the church” visited with a doll before every family was killed?? Did they just not do their due diligence? Bc that sorta clue is usually glaring esp if the woman from the church is the main character’s mother. What a stupid movie. If this is the new bar for serial killer movies we need to step it tf up.
@alexandermagnusson5058
9 күн бұрын
A strange nun arrives at your daughter's birthday party and presents a master crafted super creepy doll in their likeness saying that they have "won" it in a contest. Totally acceptable and believable. A 3-decade killing spree highly wanted serial killer is suddenly IN YOUR HOUSE at night! You, an FBI agent, contact no one, and decide to go to sleep after not finding him there. Right. Just so many functional inconsistencies and irrationalities with this movie.
@followme8238
9 күн бұрын
Thank you both - I also thought this was so dumb in so many ways.
You have me starving for this movie when I was already drooling with anticipation. How dare. (Great job)
I have no idea how you enjoyed this so much, I was so utterly disappointed in this movie. I love me a slow burn, but by the half way point I was hoping I could just fall asleep so as to not irritate my girlfriend with how bored I was. The final act was so goddamn dumb that I can't recommend this movie to anyone.
@ren.sparks
10 күн бұрын
100% same. idk why all these people are loving it
@charlespeter5610
10 күн бұрын
@@ren.sparks I was so mad I made a Rotten Tomatoes account lol
@ren.sparks
10 күн бұрын
@@charlespeter5610 VALID. I may need to do that as well lol
@MoonlightCactus
10 күн бұрын
Yep. Very True. I was with my girlfriend too and we both didn't like none of it. It wasn't scary, it's just bad, the ending was very predictable because of how they presented it and they also did the ending dirty, it should've ended a lot longer.
@alexandermagnusson5058
9 күн бұрын
@@charlespeter5610 SAME
There are ppl who seen it at a early screen saying that the movie is really good but also disturbing
@realitysven
18 күн бұрын
I'm a bit worried that long legs might not be a serial killer he might be an entity..... You don't actually see him kill anybody in the trailers....
@choppabrown3741
18 күн бұрын
@@realitysven Think they didn’t want to show too much, we’ll just have to wait and see once it comes out
@andrewcruz3837
17 күн бұрын
@@realitysvenwell you do see him tying up someone in the tralier
@Wildcat221
17 күн бұрын
Have you seen the trailer? It’s creepy as fuck
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
I heard the same thing like it's getting rave reviews but everybody is saying it's very disturbing
Last time I got so hyped was before A night with the devil, which was a huge disappointment imo. Hope longlegs delivers.
@funkrobot9762
18 күн бұрын
Yeah that one kind of sucked.
@marvindaughtry6237
18 күн бұрын
Agreed. I kept waiting to be scared and never really got that feeling. I guess people are easier frightened nowadays.
@johnny-bw8jn
18 күн бұрын
@@funkrobot9762 If people didn't describe it as terrifying it would've been much better. I still liked it, but it was much different than I anticipated. *Longlegs* is probably a completely different beast...pun intended.
@mattcollins3591
18 күн бұрын
@@marvindaughtry6237the TikTok crowd is scared of everything apparently
@realitysven
18 күн бұрын
I only hope that long legs is an actual seriel killer and not some imaginary ghost or something Because in the trailer you see other people doing the killing that would suck big time
Delighted I watched this now. I have been looking forward to this film since I first heard about it and I'm glad that such positive things were said about it.
Does the sound design in the trailer play similarly in the film? Cause that scary breathing and Hoo Hoo from Cage is so good
@goob8945
9 күн бұрын
Yes the sound design in the actual movie is a real standout, there are some harrowing scenes. Screaming especially, the sound is tuned perfectly to where it feels like my head was gonna blow up LOL
short answer: no it doesn’t live up to the hype.
@medicatedshampoo
10 күн бұрын
I’m honestly glad to see I’m not the only one disappointed by the movie. The twist, for lack of a better word, felt really cheap to me. I was so excited and even bought standard priced tickets (which I never do because I’m a cheapskate).
@bettyparrilla712
10 күн бұрын
Same! Over hyped & overmarketed
@charlesnudo5951
9 күн бұрын
The first 3/4 of this film were absolutely terrifying and well written. The last half hour was like it someone left a complex, disturbing, well made horror/mystery film on the cutting room floor with no clear ending. And a few toddlers who watched too many generic horror movies wrote the final act.
I can’t wait!!! Looks fantastic and I’m a huge fan of Seven & Silence of the Lambs.
Don't forget Perkins 2015 film The Blackcoats Daughter. Also fantastic horror film.
This reminds me of "Prisoners"? how would you say it is compared to that?? Are they similar - or am I off base?
@gorequillnachovidal
18 күн бұрын
i really doubt Maika kidnaps someone and tortures them
@andrewcruz3837
17 күн бұрын
Definitely not prisoners
@TimmySquibs
13 күн бұрын
@@gorequillnachovidalsure he wasn’t talking about her
@gorequillnachovidal
13 күн бұрын
@@TimmySquibs lol, please watch both movies and come back
@TimmySquibs
13 күн бұрын
@@gorequillnachovidal I have actually but since you prefer I spoil it I can do that too if you’d like?
I hope it's released in my country THIS year, at least...
looking forward to it next week.
Super underwhelmed by the movie. It wasn’t weird enough, scary enough, or gory enough. The previews had me very hyped too. It wasn’t by any means terrible but it wasn’t amazing either.
Looking forward to this even more now! Can't wait to see Longlegs next weekend!
The fact kids are getting murdered in this movie makes it terrifying right there without even seeing it yet. I’m so hype.
@NathanNun-ih9ly
14 күн бұрын
😂
@Music-vr7sz
13 күн бұрын
The same thing they're giving Terrorizer grief over possibly doing. Wow.
@Rocka7038
12 күн бұрын
You hyped about seeing kids die?
@artworkkitchen7056
11 күн бұрын
Pretty sure they are happy in the sense that something different will happen. Traditionally kids in movies when out in peril usually get out fine and unfazed. So it’s hard for the audience to grasp any sort of belief in the peril when we always know they’ll be fine. It’s nice long legs will be switching it up. Most studious nowadays will never green light something if a kid dies in the movie. I’m just excited because it’s different and we could see something we don’t always see
@Music-vr7sz
11 күн бұрын
@@artworkkitchen7056 this is only true if you watch mainstream horror movies and not even really then. Indie horror kids are never safe.
So hyped and extremely excited for a genuinely unsettling and terrifying horror movie for a while. CAN'T WAIT!!!
Been my most anticipated film of the year. Betting it'll be another instant classic, horror has been on a great roll the past few years.
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear this!!!
Happy 4th Of July JOBLO Horror.
Why can't movies like this come out every year. Cannot wait to watch this
The hipster film of the summer. You're not cool unless you talk about how much you want to see Longlegs.
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
I've seen a lot of non hipsters online wanting to see it including myself there is a lot of buzz around this movie and everybody across all demographics seem pretty excited to watch it and that's all to do with their genius marketing this movie randomly popped up on my KZread feed with the creepy ass thumbnails lol I was too scared to click because of how creepy the thumbnail looked but the marketing was genius I think that's why everybody wants to see it
@giancarloleon9983
17 күн бұрын
lol what? I can’t see “hipsters” being this into a horror movie
@isthatyoursomnomnom
17 күн бұрын
@@giancarloleon9983 You, luckily, don't have a hipster sibling.. it's insufferable.
I had a midnight show of this movie last night and I tell you what when I entered the hall, an ominous, uneasy feeling struck me and the whole movie was just so ominous and eerie. I love it.
Got to see an early screening of this on 35 mm in a packed theater. Quite the experience
@JH-bx8lb
13 күн бұрын
What is the gore level? I’m good with “disturbing” imagery etc, blood, but I’m not into like seeing intestines dangling outside a body. Eg I don’t watch movies like Saw, Hostel or Terrifier.
@jackrosati1438
13 күн бұрын
@@JH-bx8lb I think you'll be ok
@clowning2473
13 күн бұрын
How bad are the jump scares lmao
You are a good guy for not spoiling it. Thank you
Visually it has the looks of 'Alan Wake 2.' & Lee is a version of Saga Anderson from the game. Can't wait to watch when it reaches to this shore.
@stevegomez232
17 күн бұрын
Yeah I definitely see the resemblance and I love it.
@NoCluYT
17 күн бұрын
This is exactly what I was thinking. Especially when the main character is standing at the evidence wall/board, it reminds me of Saga's headspace thingy.
@goob8945
9 күн бұрын
Yes the lighting especially In the FBI office was very Alan wake 2
This is absolutely going to be good, I can feel it,also looking forward to Nosferatu,hopefully we get a couple of classic horror movies.
Ok here's my question. I love crime movies (prisoners, etc), I'm ok with horror movies. Should I watch it?
People need to manage expectations
Saw this last night and it was garbage. I was so excited to see it, and so let down, even halfway through. Everyone else in the theater was also disappointed. It closed out poorly, the construct and premise of the movie was so poor. Cage has little screen time, at first the character presentation is great, but it wears thin quickly, especially when the dialogue escalates. "Hail Satan!" *Don't believe all these reviewers saying this movie is good, they are only doing it for likes. I actually encourage you to go see this steamy turd and make your own conclusions, good luck.
Me and my girl have seen Abigail the first omen and strangers chapter one in theaters this year. She's been waiting for this one. We going to see it soon as it hits the theater
@victoruchiha4550
10 күн бұрын
Same me and my girl have watched them all on theaters
Loved Mandy...and Color out of Space...cant wait for this✌️
The film features original music composed by ZILGI (believed, but not confirmed to be a pseudonym for Elvis Perkins who previously scored The Blackcoat’s Daughter and I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House).
If I leave a theater very unsettled after what I watched, even days later... *job very well done☠️😵💫👏*
While I found the concept original, and the tone and performances effective, the script left a lot to be desired. I’d give it a five out of ten stars. It’s not terrible, but it doesn’t live up to the hype.
The master of props on this movie is 25 years old! Impressive
Thanks for the info bro can’t wait to see it next week
I’m a huge horror buff and I haven’t been this excited for a horror film in a long time. My only concern is I was excited for Late Night With The Devil as well and the reviews were glowing but it left me disappointed. I got caught up in that hype too.
@chrisb1772
10 күн бұрын
Same with this movie 😢
Dont want to jinx it but i really think this is going to be something else
It probably won't happen but Monroe, Cage and Witt deserve Oscar nominations for their performances in this.
Osgood is a master at crafting atmospheric and creepy horror films that are slow burns that relentlessly move towards disturbing climaxes. Oh. Osgood's brother was the composer for I Am the Pretty Thing That Lives in the House. A movie with an unusual and haunting score.
Thank you i love horror movies but most that is coming out these days are not good. Hope this is worth it
You forgot to mention Watcher. I used to have such a huge crush on Alicia Witt back in the day. I’m excited to see her again. I really hope this film abcs MaXXXine turn around what has been a horrible year for horror so far.
I saw a pre-release screening and I liked it, but it didn't blow me away. Maybe 7/10? It's very creepy and has some great performances. On the other hand, it sets up an intriguing mystery which felt largely unresolved by the time the movie ended. There are several big twists which you may or may not see coming, but I kept waiting for some kind of "a-ha!" moment where the pieces came together and I felt a tiny bit cheated at the end.
@sevet268
9 күн бұрын
This is exactly how I felt, it feels like they spent the first half of the movie setting up all kinds of plot threads to connect and then they tie them all together lazily and loosely and outside of the big twist alot of it feels cobbled together in the last chapter.
Last time I was this hyped for a horror movie was after seeing the first red band trailer for evil dead a few years back.
Definitely NOT a masterpiece. Or even close to on the level of Silence of the Lambs. But I did enjoy it, nonetheless. I just felt the final reveal was a cheap cop out.
Hi, thank you for your review. I really want to see this movie as I am a fan of horror movies. I can handle unsettling I can handle jump scares etc. love silence of the lambs. My question is about the level of gore. I am not a fan of Saw gore or Hostle gore or animal torture. ( like where your seeing an animal suffer) . Are you able to tell me what I can expect in that regard? Thanks so much.
@BeardedBushMan81
10 күн бұрын
There is a little gore but it’s very tame overall.
When I heard it compared to silence of the lambs it got my attention.
Oh damn, I'm so excited to see this - I don't remember the last film I felt so pumped for! Nick Cage is unstoppable these days!
With Maxxine disappointing im really happy to hear this is amazing
I should have known better than to watch a review before seeing it. Now I know that there is an unexpected shift in the movie that would have been more exciting if I werent expecting it.
I have been trying to find a summary of the plot of this movie for a bit now, and while I respect you not getting into spoilers, I really wish you did! I just don't care about movies anymore, and am more intrigued by novel ideas and concepts, which is why I am trying to find out what this movie brings to the table. Since I keep stumbling over this channel when out looking for things that catch my fancy, it's only fair that I subscribe!
Is Maika Monroe in this? Love anything she is in... Edit. I always get her first name wrong 😂
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
Yes
@mikeokeeffe4692
17 күн бұрын
@Model_Roe thanks Roe. Cool name BTW 😎
@eddysandland58
13 күн бұрын
In It Follows She was Great & I've not seen Her in anything else! So I'm going to watch Her previous Films & Can't wait to see This! Cheers 🥂
@mikeokeeffe4692
13 күн бұрын
@eddysandland58 IT Follows was a masterpiece and her portrayal of that character was just enraptured, Ive thought. Well: she is in a film called 'Villains', which is on Netflix. Great movie. I have a few movies I've not seen by her, but she was great in that; with Kyra Sedgewick (also great) and Alexander Skarsgaård (whom I rate also) Maybe a good suggestion for you ! Enjoy. I've seen it 3 times in the last few years.
I'm so excited to see this. Happy 4th 🇺🇸
I also can’t wait for Cuckoo! I’m seeing Longlegs on Thursday.
I need to see that interrogation scene hope someone puts it out
Civil war and this were my most anticipated this year. Maxxxine was a bit of a disappointment
@rossm7071
18 күн бұрын
Still holding out hope for Maxxxine. I am a huge Ti West fan. Longlegs looks right up my alley. Maika Monroe is fantastic and love atmospheric horror. Civil War was great and in my top 5 this year
@mattcollins3591
18 күн бұрын
@@rossm7071LOVED civil war, legitimately one of the most intense experiences in the theater. The last 45 minutes is crazy.
@rossm7071
18 күн бұрын
@@mattcollins3591 You could totally tell it was an Alex Garland film. Had a similar tone to 28 Days Later
A film that evokes a ton of dread. However I felt like the film was trying to do too much, and that held it back for me.
Im excited..it will be premier on 12 july at my country
I'm honestly so excited to see this
In sorry but what is the horror movie in the middle of this lineup?
I don't know who cut the trailer(s) but you can tell they actually cared n didn't reveal too much..either that or they didn't know how to cut it n hoped for the best 😂. Either way I'm excited.
So excited for this one!
July 12th can’t come fast enough, I can’t wait. Hanging like a junkie needing a fix lol
Hollywood has been so unfair to Alicia Witt Ever since I saw her in urban legends I knew she was meant to be big but she never got the chance
@dparks2856
13 күн бұрын
Sopranos for me
Well sold
I am interested in the plot yes, but I am mainly seeing it to see Nicolas Cage!
Ya quiero verla!
Excited for Longlegs this weekend but why has there been so little love for Late Night with the Devil this year? It's definitely been the best horror of the year so far.
This is not a horrow movie at all so if you expect horror you will be disappointed. This movie is more of a thriller/mystery.
Excellent review.
Can't agree with this assessment. I saw it last night, and in no way does Longlegs approach the mastery of Hereditary or Silence of the Lambs.
@tweeks9896
10 күн бұрын
Is it good?
@BeardedBushMan81
10 күн бұрын
Yeah, not even close. The marketing for this was fantastic but the film…a big meh for me.
@BeardedBushMan81
10 күн бұрын
@@tweeks9896I didn’t hate it like some here did but it wasn’t great either. Not scary, not weird, and not even gory. It’s like a 5 or 6 out of 10 personally.
Nicholas Uncaged is the GOAT
I thought it was great but the marketing was a little bit scarier
His handsome just like.his father.. Anthony Perkins
It’s funny. I like horror films but I feel very nervous about watching this one…
@Model_Roe
17 күн бұрын
I don't think I'm gonna watch it not because I don't think it'll be gas because I know it will be it just looks so disturbing and unsettling and everybody who's watched it is giving it rave reviews but is saying it's disturbing
I’m so excited for this film it looks insane and your review just made me buy a ticket for Friday! Quick question, are you able to say if this film has any heavy scenes of animal cruelty? Asking because of the pet carrier and cat. I can handle heavy gore and humans getting hurt in horror films 😂 but animals is another story. I stop watching if I see animals get hurt, it’s just too much. Just a heads up on that part would be very much appreciated 🙏
@ren.sparks
10 күн бұрын
no animals get hurt at any point
@BeardedBushMan81
10 күн бұрын
@@ren.sparksthere’s a decapitated cow…but you don’t see it happen.
@alexandermagnusson5058
9 күн бұрын
This film tortures all who watch it for 1hr and 41 min. Good luck.
I’m actually even more interested in Cuckoo
It is never implied that maika's character is on the autism spectrum😭
I'll be really disappointed if the killer doesn't have freakishly long legs
Thank you for the spoiler free review.
Nic Cage for Indie Freddy Kruger Reboot?
July horror it's hit or miss, here's hoping this hits hard.
Can’t wait to see this
last horror/psycho thriller films that made me hard were Hereditary and Midsommar from Ari Aster and I hope this film lives up to such level of horror
I gave it a 7/10. Very unnerving but not as scary as some people hyped. Very good plot but too many plot holes or forgotten elements for my liking. Also laughed at the scene where the flashed ball pythons under a red light knowing they were just chilling there as someone put a red light over them but I think that's just because I own a few and my first one will stare at me and pout if I don't take her out enough lol
@matrix_comix
6 күн бұрын
Yes just you. Normal people don’t just live with and stare at snakes.
@elisebabs7440
6 күн бұрын
@@matrix_comix But its even with bugs. I very much dislike bugs but cant help but laugh when they're put into sequences when they're literally just chilling there doing their own thing but putting a red light over it and flashing it fast suddenly making it menacing. Like they're just minding their business and then we take the clip and be like 'look at this horrifying thing' but its just a random Tuesday for the spider. Also laughed because they put rattle snake sounds over ball pythons, one of the friendliest most docile snakes that don't strike (constrict instead, though not even the largest ones can kill an adult even around the neck)) or have venom, let alone a rattle
Seeing this on Thursday (11/07/2024). I feel I am owed this own after the snoozefests that were Imaginary, Cobweb and Nightswim. Better be good! So excited I could pee!
@BeardedBushMan81
10 күн бұрын
Were you as disappointed as I was? I was so excited to see this and it was so underwhelming. A 5/10. So lame. 😢
@johnsullivan3444
9 күн бұрын
@@BeardedBushMan81 Yeah I know. It startedoff well and then got really goofy towards the end. Motivation of the killer was vague at best.