Major PROPS for reading the Privacy Policy! I'm an independent product developer under NDAs with companies, and what BAMBU has done there is no bueno for people like me looking for a machine for rapid prototyping! I'll pass on the BAMBU and look for something else! Thanks you for the extremely valuable review on these machines! Out of all the reviews I have seen on these, no one has bothered to mention the contents of the PRIVACY POLICY.

Thank you for hammering the privacy aspect of these printers. We like our airgapped 8 bit bois in my industry.

@MalignSociety

Жыл бұрын

The data harvesting is getting out of control. We need to delete Bambu and all of these companies that share this idea.

@scubadoo7951

10 ай бұрын

@@MrAbletospeak 🤣

@phasesecuritytechnology6573

9 ай бұрын

Non-issue. No one cares about your g-code, not even the China based copycats. This has already been talked about on other channels who actually sell their 3dp products online. They get copied and stolen even though the printers are not networked. There is 1000 times more data to harvest from your Ring camera, Nest thermostat, and your smartphone. And these companies can actually shut your products off remotely if you aren't woke enough (its happened.)

@CharlieMikeNS

8 ай бұрын

​@@MalignSocietyWhat did you type this comment on? Lmaoo. A smartphone using a Google application? You're literally carrying a spying device in your pocket everywhere you go. So am I. What am I going to do about it? It's the world we live in. If you don't live in a cabin in the woods off the grid with no technology, you're getting spied on. Bambu is small fish.

@R0T0Q

8 ай бұрын

@@MrAbletospeak Its definitely a concern when you consider the use case for these machines (for a lot of people/businesses) is prototyping proprietary parts and designs. Not so much for those of us just printing for fun.

I like my X1C exactly for the reason that I DON’T have to tinker with it. I started out with a Solidoodle years ago and worked my way up through Anycubics, etc, and when Bambu had the X1C on kickstarter I jumped on it. For me, 3D printing isn’t a hobby, it’s a _tool_ I use for my other hobbies, and so any kind of tinkering I have to put into them stands in the way of me doing what I actually want to do. And the bambulab printers are great for that. They have well tuned print profiles and-thus-great print quality out of the box, and they do all calibration by themselves instead of making you do it and re-do it with every filament change, every temperature change in their environment, etc. I’m much more critical of their complete closed source approach, because a) it blocks innovation and b) I still don’t really trust them to keep it all so cheap and well-working as it is now. Eh… my Peopoly Magneto will soon be on its way to me, let’s see how I’ll get along with that, then I’ll have an alternative if the X1C ever does not do what I want it to do anymore.

@blitzbeeb2485

2 ай бұрын

THX

I've been waiting for someone to use their own mainboard & klipper with Bambu hardware! You're the first person to say that they're going to try. I can't wait!

You critisised Bambu for collecting cloud data, then almost immediately praised them for using that data to tune print profiles and improve their software, and then critisised Creality for not doing that!!!

@dexterstanley4185

10 ай бұрын

Lol, I caught that as well 😂

@serverboyuk

10 ай бұрын

a gun can kill and protect at the same time

@yourdad2107

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Super thoughtful review, Nathan. Thanks for your opinions and testing!

Thanks for the comparison. I will say the fact you moded the k1 with a different extruder did not make it a fair comparison. I am not a fan of either companies mind you but the issues with the print quality could be due to the extruder upgrade. But otherwise, it's a great video. Thanks Nathan. Keep up the good work

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, just trying to show what I've done with it in the last 2 months. I hope we get some good drop-in aftermarket extruder options soon. The balance is all thrown off by the LGX sticking out of the top.

@garylangford6755

11 ай бұрын

Agree this comparison isn't fair. You also complained about what the slicer did such as not put a brim on. Isn't that something the user should be setting themselves? Again why didn't you make the machines stock before reviewing so we could compare what WE ARE getting.😊

@cellarboy72

10 ай бұрын

Thank goodness someone else pointed this out - I came to the video wanting a comparison between the P1P and K1 but got a video comparing a (?) stock P1P and a modded K1. Doesn’t really help my purchasing decision.

@Bsquaredplus2

7 ай бұрын

Out of curiosity, what don't you like about Bambu Lab?

Great in-depth video mate, really appreciate your real world analysis of the two machines. Cheers

I’ve watched dozens of Bambu reviews, and none of those channels mentioned the privacy violations! Thank you!!!

@scubadoo7951

8 ай бұрын

@@EyeXombie Hey, Deputy Dumas... Getting on the internet doesn't compromise my inventions. You know what does? Printing the prototypes/proof of concepts on a printer that collects all of my files and the videos it takes of the prints does. I'm sure you want a 3D printer so you can make a sick costume for your nearest cosplay convention, because you think it will help you score with one of the 25 Xena Warrior Princesses in attendance.👫 But not everyone has those same lofty goals. So next time before you comment, just try to remember that the little nugget between your ears might not always be seeing the full picture. And good luck at your convention. Most women aren't attracted to gore, so hang up your Zombie costume. And Marvel Characters have been overdone, so choose something original as your costume that doubles as an icebreaker...maybe something that will make them laugh without you having to explain the joke.👍 All the best, Deputy.✌🙂

@davidjones7544

26 күн бұрын

I hope you don't use windows 10 or 11

You've put yourself in a bad situation if you ever have to trust your life with a 3D print :P

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

People do it surprisingly often. Machine controls, electronics enclosures, hooks and latches, bicycle parts to name a few

This was actually a useful review and you were perfectly critical of both. Thank you.

@Jokemeister1

11 ай бұрын

I would argue that hacking the K1 extruder and not implementing it properly is not a fare comparison. Better if comparison was stock machines or factory options only.

Imagine reviewing a printer after modifying its extruder. Every bit of information you provided on the K1 print quality is completely useless.

@hauntycz5191

8 ай бұрын

Yeah ... But .. they fixed the extruder, it all works now how it should so yeah i imagine

@bleach_drink_me

8 ай бұрын

Not ideal for sure but it does give an idea. I know at release the stock extruder was a problem but has been fixed. The extruder being changed is a valid complaint. It's going to impact the extrusion rate, weight and harmonics of the hotend. It does somewhat demonstrate the motion system. I would have rather seen the fixed extruder.

@martonlerant5672

8 ай бұрын

Yes. ...and at this point "who cares" thats half the point of open source 3D printers. Not to mention faulty extruder problem has been rectified.

@MilestoneVids

7 ай бұрын

100% agree totally unfair review.

@ypeelsleepy

3 ай бұрын

If the p1p print is more loose than the other that means the p1p is more accurate

That Bambu privacy/data usage TOS is a deal-breaker for sure. Shame.

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

Just wait for X1E, enterprise edition with no cloud. But will probably be in the 1-3k range

I can´t understand how a so amazing, complete and honest review doesn´t hit 50.000 views yet... thank you for your great job!

@abotolo

8 ай бұрын

It's getting close to that. 43k right now.

Lol thanks. I was so hyped up reading on the Bambu and you closing quote persuaded me. I’d just have a machine sitting idle longer for my case

As usual with Creality, the K1 is 97% excellent and the last 3% seriously hampers the reliability and print quality. It doesn't work unless everything works. It won't take much to put a good extruder on there. It's 2023 and we know how to make good extruders, including low mass high flow extruders for high speed printers. There's a definite market for a company to sell a $75 K1 extruder that works well and reliably, and supply it with tuned K1 profiles for all common filaments, which is exactly what Creality should have done prior to shipping the first K1. Fortunately, it's not too difficult to downgrade the K1 firmware so the full open source version of Klipper can be installed. I'd like a medium fast printer but more interested in reliability and print quality than speed. I want it enclosed, 100C bed and 300C hardened nozzle. Automated bed leveling using force probing on the heated bed with a heated nozzle for perfect first layers across the entire bed. Open source is awesome and industry standard parts are greatly preferred to proprietary parts. It's not that complicated. I don't want lidar, camera, cloud services, complicated filament swapping, etc. Instead of bloated features, keep it simple but nail all of the details. Printer manufacturers should supply profiles for their printer for all popular slicers so the customer can use their preferred slicer.

@teddy_ursidae

9 ай бұрын

Hit the nail on the head! Speed is great, but it's twice as good if the print is reliable on the first attempt. And honestly, in a community as reliant on open source as ours, it absolutely flaws me that manufacturers seem to be increasingly unwilling to play into the spirit of end user customisation.

We were lucky to get root on the K1 and it would be sweet if Creality - or actually anyone - would offer that as an option for tinkerers by default, but that point alone wins it for me. It's annoying Creality took out software they didn't even acknowledge of using in the latest updates, but we're working on Custom FW.

awesome video, subbed for the future. Keep up the good no bullshit filler content dude

14:37 I really appreciate the information about the ULA and behavior of updating firmware and general invasive data collecting. Not many people are that conscience about this so it's awesome and unique to see in your video as I'm shopping for my Duplicator i3 MonoPrice knockoff upgrade. Incredible changes since I got my printer so many years ago!

Thanks for the review! Looking forward to the FlexiSpot Adjustable Bed review soon!

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Haha, I saw that on the product page.

That was a very informative analysis. Thank you!!

Thanks Nathan, that was the funniest review I have ever watched.

You nailed it, 👍 i love my (modded) ender 3v2. It's reliable and cheap. That's what i was looking for. The next step could be an elegoo neptune or sovol, but i also like the silent mingda magicians or the cheap kingroon's. Keep up your good work 👍

@tek9058

Жыл бұрын

It was cheap before you modded :)

@markobasanovic5644

11 ай бұрын

I had some problems on my Sovol SV06+, but now, after 3 weeks of use I am really happy with it. I think you can't buy a better 340$ printer

Thanks for the content. Always good to see honest comparisons.

Nathan, thanks so much for such an honest and objective review. I've been itching to buy something like the printers you've reviewed...just because. I have a highly modded Ender 3 which is more like the new ones with all the mainboard mods, the display mods, BLTouch, direct drive extruder, etc. and it prints almost perfectly with the filaments I use including TPU. Further more I'm retired and not doing this as a business. Time is not that important when I only print maybe 4 or 5 prints a week. You made me think. Thank you. I still like shiny new things, though.

Great work on this video Nathan. Very pragmatic and detailed.

Wow, your table is really wobbly. Thanks for the video.

Thanks the privacy issue really was helpful to know and the same with the wifii issues.

Thank you for doing this. I was actually going back n forth between buying 1 of these 2 printers. NOT NOW. I am an Elegoo fan boy I guess you can say, I have 5 of them. Guess I will go with the new Neptune 4 Pro next. Thanks again and keep up the great content.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Will be trying out the Neptune 4 soooon

This is an awesome review! Have you considered comparing it to the new p1s now that the p1p is cheaper?

Very good point about the privacy issues

Having a good time with the K1, bought it right before they lowered the price. The modability is a must for me, thats half the fun. Did they update the extruder? Mine definitly has a strong return spring on it

thanks for honest review i already orderd the bambu but very good to know about there privacy crappy interface issue .... i'll hold off printing some of my prototype stuff untill i get my polyjet printer

Great points! You should get a free part replacement for the WiFi issue.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

My last interaction with support took weeks to get anywhere and it really turned me off asking them for help.

thank you for this amazing review. I am buying the K1 :)

Awesome Review Nathan, alway great to see feedback like this :)

I've been looking at K1 for a while, but It's just not there yet. Perhaps it'll get more interesting when it's open sourced, especially if it proves feasible to replace the firmware with real Klipper. For me, cloud is a non-starter. I prefer for devices to not even consider connecting to a cloud 'resource', especially since I do occasionally print things for not yet announced products that might or might not ever be released. Also cloud is a code word for "expect the rug to be pulled one day". Until that all gets worked out, I'll stick with my well modded E3Pro or maybe build a Voron. Please keep up the good work!

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Thank you PyroNine. Ender 3 with some high quality mods is a great setup.

How many hours do you have on the p1p, I've been thinking that route but it's newer brand still so it kinda makes me skeptical on longevity

Great vid, woulda been nice to see the k1 in its stock form but still good entertainment.

thanks for keeping me grounded on black friday times hahaha

K1 just lost most it's major (imo) advantage, making the P1S a no brainer (again, imo). Especially for someone that needs to use the machine as a home appliance, and not a basic hobbyist nightmare 😅

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Lol hobbyist nightmare is a fun phrase. I think the P1S is a great deal. Would have expected them to sell it at $800 personally, but it's going for $700. Anyone who just bought a P1P must be P1Ssed 😂

@MrHeHim

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots I have the Creality Sermon D1 that I picked up open box at Micro Center for $280, countless design flaws. They came a LONG way in two years. But I've been modifying and improving my 3D printers since a few years after I got my first printer back in 2012 (MakerBot Replicator Dual) which still prints as good as any Mk3 Prusa machine, then later an i3 Duplicator (needed a larger printer and, you guessed it.. open box for $110 at Micro Center) which I also made tons of custom mods and designs to improve it.. but the D1 had my hands full for months 🥲 half baked is still good enough to kill salmonella.. this thing was raw 💀 I personally designed all the fan ducting, part cooler, and other parts. Squared it perfectly, rewired/repurposed a secondary part cooler/heat brake fan that only came on when it was over heating 😳 etc etc etc. Now it runs on a Sonic Pad (again, open box at Micro Center) and custom printer config because even though the D1 is supported on the Sonic Pad it doesn't work on so many levels. Grossly misconfigured Now, after so much tweaking and mods I can honestly say for the past year it's got to the point where I have full confidence I can print large ABS projects without any worry. So much so that I don't even bother to monitor it start printing anymore, it's in a large closet hooked up to a WiFi outlet. I just turn it on remotely, send the print through OrcaSlicer and it's perfect. Prints perfect ABS mechanical parts @200mms 🥰 Anywho, long->short; nightmare if you don't think reengineering parts and fixing fundamental flaws are fun 😊 feels nearly as accomplished as when I fully restored and improved an old Supra i had 🥰 That's my story for the day, gah bie

@destinal_in_reality

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean that K1 lost its major advantage?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

@@destinal_in_reality Probably referring to the enclosure. P1S has an enclosure so it closes the gap with the K1

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

@@MrHeHim Thank you for your Ted Talk. Yep Creality machines often need a TON of work. Kind of like a brain teaser.

I was really looking forward to the K1 MAX but given all the issues with the K1 I decided against that for at least a year so the hugs can get worked out. SOVOL really seem like the go to printers atm but I'm most interested in Flying Bears printers as a starting point for a truly great, cheap printer.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Flying bear was great. Seemed like a very serviceable design made of standard parts, which these new hyper speed coreXY printers are lacking.

@unity3938

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots my current experiment is a Orbiter2/CHC/CHT Volcano hotend and if that goes well then klipper and my reborn 2 might become the backbone of my businesses farm.

@bleach_drink_me

8 ай бұрын

​@unity3938 how did the chc/cht work out for you? I tried it on my delta. I couldn't get retractions dialed in good enough and had stringing and oozing and big z seams.

@unity3938

8 ай бұрын

@@bleach_drink_me it's been working well for me. I think your problems are from the CHT nozzle, the three channels don't react the same to retractions as one big one does, the nozzle holds plastic way more than a single channel one does. I use 1.1mm retraction dist and 205c print temp on black PLA. The retraction dist is about the most I can do before it starts to clog but I think it's printing cooler to increase the viscosity of the plastic and using an aggressive 0.3mm hop on retract that keeps my stringing down. Hope this helps.

How are you gonna put the enclosed chamber lid on the K1 when printing ABS/PC/HIPS/ASA with that extruder mod sticking out that far from the top?

Awesome review and thanks for all the ongoing shorts about the k1. Was not aware of the privacy issues with Bambu so thank you for that! I think you should definitely review qidi’s 3 series line as they solve a lot of the issues of both of these printers. Full klipper with fluidd so full tuning and no cloud needed at all, heated enclosure, and the wall mount part cooing fan is included out of the box. Also the extruded appears to be an LGX clone with the big dual gears and the max has a 325x325 bed, even bigger than k1 max.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I was not impressed with the build quality on my last Qidi machines. Super thick and heavy steel pieces mixed with cheap feeling plastic pieces. Then there was the issue with the old X-Max's being discontinued... But they deserve a second look. The new X-Max 3 looks great. And it's super cheap for what it is.

@jaubuchon28

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I was super disappointed when my og Xmax became very awkward to do anything to after they sort of disappeared it from their website​@@NathanBuildsRobots

You mentioned that you wouldn't buy either K1 or P1P!? What should you choose in that price range and performance? Thanks for a honest review!

Thanks for pointing out the privacy policy on the Bambu. There seems to be no one else on the internet who can say anything negative about Bambu.

I wonder if you tune both machines and re-run this test how much closer would it be. It's not as important to me how perfect it is out of the box. I would rather see how good they can get (especially since you already got the replacement extruder from Creality).

@CharlieMikeNS

8 ай бұрын

And I'm on the other side of the spectrum. I want an appliance. I want something that just works out of the box. I don't want to fiddle around with it to get it where it should be out of the box.

First great information on 3d printing. Thank you. Question: I had many problems with X1-C early feb purchase. Just returned for full refund I wonder if they fixed the problems. Or should get the new P1S with AMS. Does P1S print CF not sure if that’s ok.

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

P1S can print CF if you also get a hardened steel nozzle, and it is also advisable to get hardened extruder gears. All in it should cost $60-$80 to upgrade to carbon fiber printing.

to adjust the estep for the extruder cant u just open up the correct setting file for your slicer? for bambu its all json files that open in any texteditor. then u just search for the parameter u want to edit. i for one changed the retraction distance for all 0.4 profile by this process and it works perfectly now. had some issues due to the standard temps used during the wiping and cleaning before each pring causing either the poop to not descend and get stuck on either the nozzle or the edge of the poopchute. then when it goes to the bare metal to swirl and grind down the nozzle it always oozes a bit while waiting for the bed to rise.. this little nugget then gets bent op the nozzle wall and then its stuck there due to the non plated nozzle tip. then it either falls off during calibration forcing the previous value to be used or it messes up the print later. after four rolls i had enough and started to look at how the slicer reads its values, then it became clear its as easy as reading a book and writing the changes i need manually. now it retracts 2mm during this process and i have 0 buggers or any dripping or oozing. why they chose 0.5mm and 0.8mm is beyond me... at those wait times its just stupid and over optimistic at best. its seems to me like the bambu team just took the average value of all their profiles retraction settings and went with that. to claim this machine does perfect prints out of the box i a truth with modifications. at least mine was. now, finally.. a week and a half into the ownership and the preprint procedure FINALLY works. hope they fix this soon in an update so i dont have to edit this manually in the files i probably should not edit in the first place 🙃

sonic pad made my ender 3 pro run like th newer printers and i enjoyed modding it also. i agree to many ef-in cameras on too much crap. I miss the privacy we took for granted in the 1980"s!

Do you have any hints how to get K1 working with Orca Slicer (open source fork of Bamboo Lab Slicer) - I'm semi happy K1 owner but I don't like Creality Slicer that much.. I think I could get better prints with Orca, especially with PETG :) Thanks for sharing!

I have/had (cannibalizing it for 2 projects, reversible) a Longr K5 made alfawise U20 One bought from Gearbest. I regularly printed at 200 mm/sec. The results were about equal to my Ender 3 running at 80. No one believed me until I showed the video of it The only issue was that the split single driver for the dual Z and then they were not synched via a belt. The ability to print that fast was almost never used. My build is 300*300*400 all screw drive for super accurate printing. Lately, I have been printing at 0.05 mm on my printers. Printing with a 0.8 mm nozzles at 0.05 layer makes some really nice prints that are solid and accurate.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

You should post some videos, I'd really like to see that!

"Personally, I hate the Cloud" ... Spoken like a champ!

Beautiful job man.

Welp, I was about to order an X1C but the privacy issues really bother me. I have limited internet access and offline printing is a must. Thank you for highlighting this as I would have been very disappointed.

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

You can print in LAN mode, over your local network

@raphofthehills4405

9 ай бұрын

No problem w offline printing w Bambu. Can be done either w SD card or using LAN mode. That does not use internet / cloud.

Thank you for this detailed review! I wasn't sure which one I prefer and this video really helped me get another view. I had an anycubic i3 which I tried to mod. Now I search a 3d printer which is more advanced (I like modding but it's not necessary for me). The printer should deliver a nice quality, the speed is irrelevant. Do you or someone in the community have some recommendations for me?:)

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Try joining my Discord, a lot of ppl offer advice there. Personally, I like the Ender 3 series, since they are easy to modify. Prusa mini is another good choice for something that is easy and fun to use. Bambu lab P1S seems to be a pretty good deal, and is a good size

I am looking to get a new printer. Was looking at Bambu and Creality K1-Max. Did not like the Bambu needing to be connected to the internet. Now you have convinced me and I will not be getting a Bambu. Not sure about the K1-Max yet but I have a CR-10 and it has always worked well for me.

I love the Ben Franklin citation, super funny and I am a big fan of the original quote. Also well done for pointing out the service agreement with Bambu, this is very very important today and most reviwers seem to simply not give a fuck. The Bambu Lab machine is basically spyware in the shape of a 3D printer.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I need to go through other manufacturer's TOS, and explain to people why I care, because a lot of people don't care. Which is fair enough, they don't have to.

@sierraecho884

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots I am of a different opinion. To Think "I have nothing to hide I don´t care" is very stupid and irresponsible. I am from the formen sovjet union, believe you me that this IS very important. It´s undemocratic and generally speaking bad.

I like your shirt!

Wow! Thank you for pointing out the serious privacy issues with the Bambu products. No way will I be buying one of their products ever.

With respect ., you need to do the hack and get your K1 machine into full control fluid so that you can tweak it better , its a completely different machine like that !

Isn't creality also has cloud issues? I wonder Reason why you rrccomand k1 is they doesn't necessarily need them in primary uses... I'm struggling between qidi x plus/Bambu a1?/creality k1max/and flashforge 5m pro..

I think it would be beneficial to packet sniff the bambu printer, find out what ip addresses on the internet it tries to talk to and block them at the router level. That way we can get local area connectivity but not allow the printer out to the internet. We could also just block its mac address from accessing the internet all-together on our router settings.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Tell me you are an IT professional without telling me you are an IT professional

Glad you highlighted the data privacy issues. Its a real issue for businesses as all my printer have to run offline and cannot be connected to the company network. I have found prusaslicer when a step file comes in bad and you tell it to fix it, it seems to want to to send it over the network to somewhere which fixes the step file and pulls it back into prusaslicer. Voron or vzbot it is then....

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Bambu Lab is working on something to address privacy concerns. They realize many customers won’t buy it in its current state, using the cloud. Should be coming out in 3-6 months?

@Bonjour-World

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots I think that is usually referred to as "too little, too late".

@kevinw7319

Жыл бұрын

Lol just put tape over the camera

@trekker683

Жыл бұрын

​@@kevinw7319they also monitor your network activity and they can keep and use your designs.

@serverboyuk

10 ай бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots not sure if an enterprise version will do the job; perhaps only open hardware and open software can be better trusted in this context

I was looking at these printers and considering getting one to mess around on but honestly I do waay too much commercial stuff to trust Bambu Labs and Creality is still having too many quality issues for me to even consider gambling 600 dollars away on imo. Also...whats stopping me from just getting bigger steppers for my Trident, Switchwire etc and just cranking up the speed in klipper? I mean bigger steppers don't cost much anyways.. Tbh I really don't care either way. Most of my printing is done at standard speeds cause I value quality over anything and even if I had one of these newer machines I'd be printing slow anyways. Excellent review tho. I agreed with everything you pointed out. 👍

Even if I'm not into that stuff, I think the K1 would be great for people printing batches of functional prints to sell that dosn't requiere great surface quality (since from what I see here, the print quality is very sloppy, very rough). As an example, if you want to sell lots of those siccors, you are just ok with the K1 with the plus of privacy and more material choices given the enclosure. Actually...Josef Prusa should consider getting a farm of K1s for they already ultra sloppy and rushed printed parts, they can still make them sloppy win the K1s, but just faster 😅😅

A shame we can't have a comparison of the two printers abstracted from their software, there should be profiles for prusaslicer for both printers would have also been good to see a comparison of original equipment

Thanks for the review!

I have to assume that some of the reliability of the bambu's out-of-the-box settings is the treasure trove of data they get from the cloud platform. They see EVERY setting used by everyone and can conform to what appears to be more popular or successful and then apply that as a default for others. I'm not too keen on software that runs through the cloud but it has its advantages.

Hmmm, had heard great things about Bambu Lab, but the offline workflow as well as them uploading/retaining whatever you print is a big turn off. All my previous printers have been Creality (2x Ender 3s and 1x CR-10S). Still a little offput even the K1 doesn't work with a Raspberry Pi and Octoprint. Does it at least have a web interface you can use from a networked PC?

Creality should add a disclaimer to their printers that it needs a lot of tinkering to get the auto bed leveling work 😆

Thanks for this video, You could compare them with the Voron 2.4?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

If someone will lend one to me. Or if I get a kit. I don't have the money to buy a voron 2.4 kit right now!

Regarding the print temperatures, im sure you know but...in creality print theres material settings, and slicer settings, they will override each other.....

nice cross bambu off my list. didn't realize they want to know everything.

can the p1p (p1s?) print smotther surfaces with setting changes?

Regarding the local network thing for Bambu, does that still allow you to control the printer via WIFI with the Lan mode setting and maybe the camera working as well?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

It should, I think LAN camera support was added in the latest update. I need to carry my printer to a coffee shop so I can get it on WiFi and get those firmware updates installed.

@ManweruEmanuilov

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Lmao I have a McDonalds parking lot with wifi I could use for a firmware upgrade for real.

@Ayce47

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots So using something like orca slicer, can you still get full functionality with lan mode? i.e. starting a print from your desktop and opening a port just for the camera? also, what about using a second router that's purely wlan?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

@@ManweruEmanuilov I'm Lovin' It

May I know the name of the scissors like thing that your print? Thank you

I don’t have my p1p connected to the wifi and can still uses it with the SD port at the top near the interface panel

What about for 3d printing as a business? Speed, AND QUALITY, definitely matter. Does this narrow/reframe your decision?

As for Flexispot.... I got their lowest end table for a dog grooming table at 1/3 of the price of a purpose grooming table. Can you say totally awesome!

@NathanBuildsRobots

5 ай бұрын

Totally awesome! They really are the best value from what I’ve seen. Always nice when a good company offers sponsorships

didn't know how stupid the privacy issue with the bamboo. the joy for me is to just print something without fiddling. i like to use it as just like a document printer. i'd like to focus on creativity than fixing bugs.

Creality and quality controll. I already heard about issues with K1. I am curious how elegoo neptune 4 will perform compared to those two.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Same, will be my first Elegoo machine.

Thanks for the review. I have a Neptune 4 plus, and have been looking for another machine, and decided on the K1 Max. I was originally looking at an X1C, as it already has multi-filament support with the AMS, but the closed cloud based system, with lack of ethernet was kind of a big deal breaker for me and what I am working on. I was even looking at the new X1E which has ethernet, and can be fully utilized without the cloud, but the build volume ended up being too small for my needs. As well, realized I am not even "allowed" to purchase the X1E since I'm not an company, as it is an "Enterprise" grade machine bs. Bambu's locked ecosystem and data harvesting is a big pass for me, and as much as I want to own a Bambu printer for the raving quality right out of the box, I just can't with the projects and clients I have. Had a buddy pick up the K1 Max for me yesterday since he happened to be in the city with a Microcenter near him, and the K1 was $699 in store! Going to pick it up from him this weekend, and excited to get things going with it. Especially a carbon nylon part I've been trying to print, but has lifted of the print bed around the same point 3 tries now from slight warping. Other than that, the print head on the K1 Max, as well as the N4+, will be replaced soon with Co-Prints new chroma print head for multi-filament printing. Backed the company back in November, and was pleasantly surprised when I realized Creality was helping in co-development of the system. I feel the K1 with the Croma KCM system will surpass Bambu's X1's with AMS in so many ways once it releases in a few months. Time will tell.

Hello ! What is the red filament used in these prints ?

I never knew about the privacy issues on the bambu lab printers! This video really helped me rap my head around what I should buy next. Thanks for the great video!

@jamesharris9894

Жыл бұрын

if that bothers u dont look into privacy issue with a cellphone

@agent7615

Жыл бұрын

Have you read privacy policy of google/yt,, fb, apple, microsoft. samsung, prusa, creality, ultimaker cura etc. This is literally a boilerplate policy that every company has but nate is blowing smoke about it. Privacy policy is a dog whistle like saying Chinese backed or some junk. If you want fairness nate why dont you read creality, prusa and countless other policies on here. Lets see what your next video is. You are starting to be like 3d musketeers with the bambu FUD for the clicks but you conveniently have an affiliate link to them. 🤡show.

@ulforcemegamon3094

Жыл бұрын

I hope you don't use tiktok if privacy issues concern you too much

I like this review but I don't think it is 100 % fair as you have modified the k1. so is that something you have to do if you purchase a k1 ? instantly modify it to get any reliable prints?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I had to. I got a very early production model of the K1. Will be checking out a more recent one soon, and will run it for 20 hrs straight to see if it's reliable.

THANK YOU! .........so what are your TOP5 3D Printers Today in terms of Price/Performance/Quality ? ..................And which one would you buy from below , or are there cheaper prices? K1 Max AI High-Speed, 600mm/s 775 EUR Bambu Lab P1s Combo , 500mm/s, 899 EUR Bambu Lab X1 Carbon Combo 1367 EUR

you can print PC and ABS on a Ender 3s1 with a little bit of tweaking without trouble

Thank you, I wouldn't have noticed the possible breach of privacy if it wasn't for you

why did you put a new hotend on the k1 ? is it because the stock one sucks

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

Yes

I got an X1C early on and I'm glad they started with this machine instead of the P1P. The UI on the P1P seems horrendous and is a huge downgrade compared to the X1C with its large touch screen. Cutting costs on the interface is not going to affect print quality, but it still leads to a worse user experience and to customers who will be apprehensive every time they think of maybe printing something, instead of enthusiastically using it.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Yes, bambu please send X1C for review

being able to print fast also means less electricity used ... that's a plus in face of the rising energy cost though

Ok, so what is the best quality printer to buy....

The fact that Bamboo Labs is a "closed system" that doesn't allow the user to modify/adapt/ troubleshoot the software nor the hardware plus the security issues makes this company fall off my list. The Creality although inferior in a few areas ( the hot end in particular ) still allows for mods/adaptations/fixes and a much better interface will eventually dominate. Perhaps tweeks to the Clipper software will improve overall quality. That being said the Bamboo Labs AMS is a major step forward that put it is a league of its own with automated 4 color printing.

@xc68000

Жыл бұрын

This is completely untrue. The K1 is as locked down or maybe more at the moment than the P1P. They even moved to close the exploit that was being used to access fluid/mainsail interfaces. They (Creality) have not released the source code per the GPL license. At least with Bambu you can easily use a different slicer (Orca). You can use other slicers with K1 but with zero integration to the print engine...so if you like SD cards sure.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are a TON of good printers coming out right now. If Creality can fix the hotend/extruder, and let people put Klipper on the K1, it'd be an easy reccomend.

@nrich5127

Жыл бұрын

@@xc68000 I stand corrected on your point.

One comment/observation, but your negative on the P1P about "not being mod friendly" probably will get some people saying "But I don't mod my printer, so I don't care". Its not just modding your printer, its fixing it yourself. Even though Bambu is now selling the x-carriage and its inexpensive, its super clear that Bambu didn't design this printer with user maintenance in mind. Very little on the Bambu is easy to service or replace... except the hotend.

@JohnOlson

Жыл бұрын

Btw - loved the final comments on "speed" for the average user. So true. We've become obsessed by speed, corexy. Get something that gets the job done and is cheap*.

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I feel like speed printing is jumping the shark... Like, what else is there to do now? Further improvements to FDM will be mostly slicer and materials driven. We don't NEED to buy new printers anymore.

@JohnOlson

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Definitely slicer driven. Why can't the slicer be smart enough to know the appropriate face and supports needed? Or at least provide some options to the user. Then there is all the work being down on arc overhangs, etc. Users have gotten hung up on speed. Quality of a print should be the #1 criteria but we still dont' have a solid metric to quantify because of the many use cases. Visual quality? strength quality? etc.

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

If you look at car sales, what sells? Horsepower? Price? Features? 0-60 speed? I think with printing we have become fixated on speed benchy. Though, to be fair, speed is hugely important and super convenient. But ease of use is also important. I don't care about 5 hrs vs 6 hrs to finish a print when getting the print started is a PITA and takes 20 minutes, when it should only take 5. My time is more valuable than machine time.

Could you do a video roundup of good value printers that are cheap. I had no idea about bambu's all cloud/privacy breach. Last time i looked up printers it was the anycubic i3 mega and CR10 lol. Be awesome to do a video with printers your would recommend even if its a recommend if you mod it type thing.Mainly looking for something cheap that can do flexible TPY, nylan etc.. without much hassle. So not sure whats the go to in 23 on that front

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I want to get back to the lower budget printers. This summer has been a frenzy of high-end printers. But I have a bunch in the $200-$350 price range waiting to be unboxed

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

Spec sheet for the Elegoo Neptune 4 looks promising.

@dexxeve9420

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Sounds awesome! As after looking at random reviews i prefer your style and knowing your background too engineer, even better. Looking forward to them all

@dexxeve9420

Жыл бұрын

@@NathanBuildsRobots Will start looking up the reviews thanks for a suggestion. And cool of you to reply :)

If I would have seen your video sooner, I don't think I would have bought a Bambu Lab over privacy concerns.

The fact that you had to add a hack to the Creality machine solidifies the choice for me. I need to be printing productively, not tinkering.

As someone who loves tinkering with things, but has gotten to the point where I have more things to do than time to do it, I don't want to tinker with a 3D printer. For some people, it's a hobby. For me, I want it to use a 3D printer to print what I need, then move on. So I don't care about the lack of modding. I DO care about the privacy stuff though. Uggghh!!!

good video. I like your take on these. Why don't you jailbreak the K1 to vanilla Klipper?

@NathanBuildsRobots

Жыл бұрын

I probably will eventually. I’m waiting to see if creality will do it on their own

@SeanTaffert

Жыл бұрын

@NathanBuildsRobots Don't wait, show them how it's done.

@SeanTaffert

Жыл бұрын

@NathanBuildsRobots BTW, sorry I missed you at Rapid 2023. I was at our AON3D booth.

@NathanBuildsRobots

11 ай бұрын

NP, there's always next year. What about FormNext?

@SeanTaffert

11 ай бұрын

@NathanBuildsRobots naw, I won't be there. But if you ever make it to Montreal, get in touch.