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Best video on these new laptops! Josh is in top form. Him and his team are showing the rest of the YT techreview sphere how it is done. Those rushed "reviews" released not long after midnight are pathetic compared to this.
@arainla
26 күн бұрын
Agree!
Does the NPU support PyTorch or Topaz AI Photo and Video software?
Are the Distributions with all the kernel drivers for the Snapdragon x elite?
awaiting timestamps
@adequatequality
Ай бұрын
It’s a livestream…not an edited video. Why would he go through the trouble of including timestamps?
@skjetnis
Ай бұрын
@@adequatequality for people to add a comment with timestamps which is pretty common for vod's. (see Wan-show as an example)
Snapdragon laptops by Lenovo and HP might only support 2240 m.2 SSDs? Not 2280? ASUS and XPS appear to support 2280. Are 2240 m.2 drives limited to 2TB?
I immediately installed Win 11 Pro and VS Code to my Vivobook that came today. It was a breeze, no hiccups at all. It took probably less than 10 minutes all in all (including a couple of VS Code extensions); much less than taking the laptop to use in the first place.
Can surface pro 11 upgrade the SSD from 256Gb to 2TB?
I was just about to buy an HP Spectre 2 in 1. I want to use for music production. Should I wait?
@qamstel
Ай бұрын
I’m eye balling it as well
@khusbusVlog
Ай бұрын
Snapdragon X Elite best❤❤
@martin22336
Ай бұрын
Get intel or AMD. at this point. Watching this is like pulling teeth and failing at it. Its not even ready windows on ARM is like trying to teach a pig to do math.
@steveguy3
Ай бұрын
If you want to pay alot of money to be a beta tester sure
Josh if you get your hands on a surface laptop 7 can you tell us how it compares to a macbook air? All i care about is the touchpad being smooth and consistent, being able to use the laptop on a bed or couch and not having the vents block up when its on my legs or on the sheets. Also would be cool if you could check if visual studio will install for the coders, but no biggie.
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
It's great compared with the Air. I prefer it. I have it btw. Used it all day today. I will talk alot about how they compare on the big video I'm working on next week
Appreciate the effort put here!
Does it still have the Recall? cos copilot+ have it. It is not so safe for security right? capturing screen every 5 seconds. Btw there is a keylogging right? they are also capturing what is key on the keyboard too right? Can explain that too? Asking these cos of privacy and security issue on personal data. Especially if use the Co-pilot laptops for accessing to things which require password keying - it will be captured by Recall and the keylogging too. Hence hacker can abuse those setting even if it is disabled. Can advise on these too?
@rano12321
Ай бұрын
It's not any different than your browser or new apple intelligence.
@scientist30
Ай бұрын
@@rano12321Does your browser or Apple intelligence take a screenshot of everything every 5 seconds? Also Microsoft data isn't secured. There are articles that how can it be hacked and it will have all your passwords too that you typed all your bank account information too..
Awesome video! I have one question, can these laptops run metatrader 4 and 5? I cant find an answer anywhere!
Probably this happened: Some devices come preinstalled with Windows 11 Home in S mode by the original equipment manufacturer. To increase security and performance, Windows 11 in S mode only runs apps from the Microsoft Store. If you want to install an app that isn't available in the Microsoft Store, or if you have Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise, or Education and want to upgrade to Windows 11, you'll need to permanently switch out of S mode. There's no charge to switch out of S mode, but you won't be able to turn it back on.
@justj.r.670
Ай бұрын
They only come in S mode if it’s a cheap laptop. $1000+ laptops never come in s mode.
Check rendering in Blender arm build pls
Thanks a lot josh (and your team) for being honest, everyone seems to hype them up like crazy. Appreciate the hands on experience, waiting for a shorter video though lol
@arainla
26 күн бұрын
I love the long thorough videos. How do you cram all this content into a watchable 10 minute video?
Appreciate the launch adding competition to Intel and AMD. But at the moment, the this product is still not fully developed / supported ... even for daily work
what's the tl:dw version?
@claer000
Ай бұрын
dont buy one if ur a professional
Something in common its that youtubers end up stressed with this new chips jaja
Still waiting for fanless laptops with windows, till then only MacBook Air :(
Hate when something doesn't work out the box. I'd have already taken 5 smoke breaks.
You didn't uninstall Mcafee completely - there is a separate online/web part, further down the app list.
@JustJoshTech
19 күн бұрын
Thank you!
A really good effort. Good info. I absolutely get incensed with referring to graphics people as professionals. Excuse me. I’m a senior technology architect and developer. Am I not a professional.
Do they work with eGPUs?
@rano12321
Ай бұрын
No, different architecture.
were they able to install linux or not?
@martin22336
Ай бұрын
No
@jimcabezola3051
Ай бұрын
@@martin22336 Thanks for the Solid! Thanks for saving me 3 and a half hours.
Oh dear guys, your struggle was amazing to watch. This is the only truly informative video on arm windows. I can’t wait for you to test vs and sql server for programming
sketchup pro???on arm?.....?or*86?or*macbook?
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
Sketchup Pro works well for our simple test project on Qualcomm
@ovyarad
Ай бұрын
@@JustJoshTech pls make a video with sketchup on arm. Thanks.
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
@ovyarad We show it in Thursday's video
@ovyarad
27 күн бұрын
@@JustJoshTech fantastic. Thanks...
The performance and efficiency is not mind blowing and there are a lot of compatibility issues. I think for most people it's better to wait for Ryzen Zen 5 laptops coming in 1 month.
@denischiosa4496
Ай бұрын
I prefer to wait one more year to get better compatibility on arm than investing in a x86. I don't do gaming btw
@thespiff
Ай бұрын
Best strategy to wait until Black Friday this year. Then all new processors should be available and snapdragon should be better supported. So maximum competition, moet choice and best prices for consumers.
Appreciate the late night review and tests - I've been holding off from buying a laptop until the ARM ones came out, but it looks like I might need to go with x64 sadly...
this dude glowing
It would be nice to know if it is easy to install GNU/Linux on them
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
It is not. We spent 2 hours+ trying to get that going
@CaimAstraea
Ай бұрын
Think only debian arm works ?
Vscode ssh + Ubuntu wsl2 is what you need. Ubuntu support arm cpu and packages 😅
Why did Microsoft/Qualcomm rushed to release these laptops? Clearly they are not ready. They should have taken more time to properly optimise Windows and give developers time to make ARM versions of their software. Having a half baked product on the market will just kill any hype these products have. My only thought is that they were trying to release before the new chips from Intel/AMD come out because they are afraid that these ARM chips will not be able to compete!
Didn't test Matlab?
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
We are testing Matlab right now for our comprehensive video
Respect to this guys
For anyone using Power BI desktop on the daily...avoid Windows on ARM like the plague. Its horrendous.
@EAC02
Ай бұрын
Why
@PerpetualPreponderer
Ай бұрын
@@EAC02 it will bring both your system AND you to the knees, especially if there's deadline looming over your shoulders. Absolutely unacceptable. They can't even optimise their own software for their own OS platform. Let alone hopefully integrating the full hardware & software stack someday...an unending series of disappointments.
@EAC02
Ай бұрын
No I mean why is it bad? Like, what doesn't work?
@PerpetualPreponderer
Ай бұрын
@@EAC02 Any decently powerful productivity work you need to do with applications as yet unoptimised for ARM, I wouldn't rely on these to have your back. Its horrendously slow, probably due to the emulation overload. And who knows how many other code inefficiency issues. Its msft we're talking about after all.
@EAC02
Ай бұрын
@@PerpetualPreponderer I see
Great review. Sadly, when compared to the marketing hype and general expectations of these new Snapdragon laptops, all I can say is... Wow... what a train wreck.
Tonight, I'll try to boot an Ubuntu 24.04 on my Yoga 7 Pro - AMD R7 8845HS and let you know. I'd be surprised if it doesn't work. So far, ALL my previous laptop could boot a Linux live USB key created with Rufus. Have you tried to install Notepad++ and VLC Media Player on the Snap X machines? Also, what software would be potentially working to detect laptop hardware with ARM? HWINFO? Well done for the live stream! That's quite an intensive effort for the whole team. The fact that you were broadcasting "as doing" has revealed that for a regular user (not us), it's going to be very painful to use in the coming months and confusing. The third-party software providers - even big tech companies - are not providing an efficient experience for the users. Let see when Microsoft releases their big advertisement campaign about it (here in France, I reckon it might be later than in the US). Also, at the moment, the baked in Copiot AI is rather discrete ... a few features in the Camera App, some gimmick functionalities in Paint, a magic eraser in the Photo app ... Not that groundbreaking. By the way, what would be SUPER interesting - in a dedicated video - is a comparison of the Copilot features between the Core Ultra / AMD Ryzen that have integrated NPUs (like my R7 8845HS) vs. the Snap X. Does that make a big difference for the end user? Your Yoga AMD with the 8840HS HAS an NPU already ... just make sure you update the latest chipset drivers from AMD => AMD Support / Chipsets / Laptop Chipsets / AMD Ryzen Mobile. Then you will see, NPU will appear in the Task Manager.
@Winnetou17
Ай бұрын
Sooo, any updates ?
@Genero90
Ай бұрын
@@Winnetou17 Soooo .... it works! A USB live key with Ubuntu 24.04 on it (built with Rufus) will start after hitting F12 as the laptop is booting :)
@Winnetou17
Ай бұрын
@@Genero90 Niice! And enjoy!
Honestly I prefer this kind of video over heavily edited/scripted/cut perfect video. It's nicer to watch.
And yet, somehow people still claim Linux is harder than Windows.
I came and it ended.
@oremad7055
Ай бұрын
Me during my first time with a woman
Josh, excellent video, this is the best most realistic first look video I've seen, really glad you're not jumping through qualcomm hoops and telling it the way you see it hands on. Clearly buyers need beware, don't jump in unless there's an admirable return policy, and pointing out both lunar lake and zen 5 are here already, wait to see what this actually brings to table compared to competitors. Everything I've seen hands on demonstrates this CPU loses to year old x86 cpus, without givving much more efficiency, it's not really something to look forward to unless you need something immediately and you just want to get away from intel and amd Glad you pointed out, if the user wants more than a couple of years from this they'll need more ram than the 2 year old standard of 16, standard for beyond 2024 is 32 gigs ram, standard in 2026 will be 64 gigs ram
53:00 The Fan noise is insane.
Looks like I'm going for the Samsung version. Loving this.
Hey Josh, great review! And good idea to put it all down in an article too. Quick article proofing: "Comparing similar laptops together Samsung's Galaxy Book4 Edge 16 with Snapdragon vs Book4 16 with Intel we see around 20% performance for similar power draw. Same with Lenovo's Slim 7x with Snapdragon vs Slim 7 with AMD Zen 4." ..20% performance *difference*
Dave2D just put up a glowing review video - honestly, he should have watched this one before release his. Just not covering enough corners like Josh's.
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
Wait till our follow-up one, we have gone a bit nuts, tested everything from PowerBI to DJing software!
thanks for Unboxing and reviews my Snapdragon X Elite devices ❤❤
Love from india.. I will highly appreciate if u help me..want to buy a windows laptop out of lenovo yoga slim7x, surface laptop 7 15 inch or galaxy book 4 edge 16 inch.. which is best for long term use like 5-7 years.. casual office user (no gaming or creative work) . Need premium laptop alternative to mac. Ram 16 or 32gb(preferred for future proof) long battery & good display with good build quality . Android user. Good performance on battery with long battery life. I would have waited for review but don't have time...need to order within 24 hrs to bring it in india from USA
@scientist30
Ай бұрын
Lenovo one has better display and is cheaper so I would pick that but remember most apps are not supported
@JustJoshTech
16 күн бұрын
Honestly re long term use, I just don't with these laptops. I personally would get a Mac if i wanted it to last that long
Surface Laptop and Samsung Galaxy Book4 Edge my fav. Snapdragon X Elite ❤❤
Linux perhaps?
@antoniospappas2575
Ай бұрын
Qualcomm has not finished upstreaming support for the new SoCs. In May they announced a six month roadmap to reach parity and right now they have a reference Debian image that only works on they're reference laptop. So support is coming but not very soon.
@jimcabezola3051
Ай бұрын
@@antoniospappas2575 Thank you for the update!
someone edit this to 15-20 minutes video>
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
We will be. Out next week. We are doing extensive testing
Man, you can’t take Linux users anywhere :P
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
You're telling me
@cameronbosch1213
Ай бұрын
Wdym?
I hope ARM on Windows works, but rn is terible
@TheTytan007
Ай бұрын
How is it terrible?
I havent watched 90% of stream but read the article and was surprised to read about the Chromium browsers. I have heard the opposite from many others, since Edge should be natively running on these chips. Very strange!
@MatrixJockey
Ай бұрын
Edge is based on Chromium
@Burbanana
Ай бұрын
@@MatrixJockey no shit sherlock... why do you think I wrote this comment.... Please read before commenting.
Haiii
Reminded me of windows RT. The product die after one year 😊😊😊😅
2:08:38 Sums it up. "Do not buy these laptops now, they dont work" (because ARM software emulation on Windows is garbage) Embarrassing that these Qualcomm CPUs wont even run a lot of Windows applications because the emulation fails. Just stick to Intel and AMD based laptops, they are just as good hardware and work 100% as intended as they dont need to emulate, as they natively run x86. Dont spend $1000+ to be a beta tester for these broken Arm laptops.
Qualcomm should ditch MS and just ship with one version of Linux as a standard.
Intel boss must be the happiest person seeing this epic Windows on ARM fail
@a675432100
Ай бұрын
Windows on Arm is the future. Nothing can stop it. Intel have to catch up or become the next Nokia. Performance on snapdragon is insane, same for battery life. Driver glitches will be corrected. Happens on all platforms on release even on Apple. Software list getting massively populated. Next 5yrs, x86 may be gone.
@livedreamsg
Ай бұрын
@@a675432100x86 isn't going anywhere. Lunar Lake is already addressing the power efficiency concerns without any of the compatibility issues / early adapter nonsense.
@user-io4sr7vg1v
Ай бұрын
@@a675432100 you have a lot of qualcomm stock?
@yaznwilly6946
Ай бұрын
Stop this shit hype about ARM architecture being power efficient. If you exclude the process advantage (TSMC 4nm Snapdragon vs. Intel 4-7nm Meteor Lake x86), there's no advantage for these Snapdragon chips in terms of efficiency. The performance per watt for these chips isn't promising. The ARM efficiency hype is misleading and it comes from the smartphone industry since power optimization is essential there... Now you can say Apple - the amazing performance there isn't about ARM (RISC) itself, it's about the microarchitecture design, process node, and OS software optimized for the M series - which isn't the case on Windows laptops... With the new x86 processors - AMD Zen 5 and Lunar Lake/Arrow Lake, this Snapdragon is dead on arrival.
@xiangli2452
Ай бұрын
@@a675432100 don't know what you are smoking - thinking 20 years wintel software maturity can be achieved in a short 1-2 years?It's egg and chicken, if there are are not enough early adopters (buyers), then who is gonna spend time and money to fix the software glitches? You need a big army of win-arm developers to work out the kinks. The other thing is Intel and AMD offerings are good enough and priced right for majority of users. Let's see how the so-called battery efficiency stack against the upcoming AMD/Intel chips. So far, the performance is not something to be touted.
People can't wait to get away from windows
The best way to prevent malware infection is to prevent users from downloading anything. - Microsoft Windows virus protection 😅😅
I love Snapdragon X Elite devices ❤❤❤
1:38:23 retRd alert retaRd alert
Laptops still suck
x86 is far better
Waiting for your full review with better testing. All this look hastened and not convincing. Also, compare with macbooks.
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
Of course it was. The laptops arrived in the studio 1 hour before!
@abhijith_mb
Ай бұрын
@@JustJoshTech yeah, but it all seems so so negative. I have this feeling that something is not right in the testing process. You talk about real world but I don't know man, it seems like you're testing it for failing.
@BearMetro
Ай бұрын
This is more of an issue with your expectations. This was not a review.
@abhijith_mb
Ай бұрын
@@BearMetro or maybe just too hasty that nothing seems to be working properly. They should take the time and run the tests properly without rigging it up for failure. I just lost all trust I had in Josh's testing process.
@BearMetro
Ай бұрын
@@abhijith_mb It was an out of box experience more or less. If they were having so many issues with it maybe it'll enlighten those who are jumping into the new architecture without the realization of what the transition will entail. I think you're taking this way too seriously. Personally, I think this is better than being kept in the dark for several days. Getting a few first impressions can be helpful when making a choice on what to purchase. I suppose it's okay if you feel otherwise. I just think you're overreacting.
Snapdragon X Plus ❤❤
so basically these laptops are just shit as of now.
@Dee-Ell
Ай бұрын
Yes, unless you only use web browser and office; or you like troubleshooting app compatibility issues. Compared to this right now, Linux on x86 is much user-friendlier.
1:51:52 maybe they know a better way to install these programs?! You really think Microsoft and Qualcomm and Lenovo would launch a product with so much hype and not be able to download basic programming softwares?
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
My job is to report on what we are experiencing so my viewers can make the best purchase decision. Computers and the layers of software on them are extremely complex. Yes, it is very possible that they had a situation that slipped through their quality control
@abhijith_mb
Ай бұрын
@@JustJoshTech yes there's that possibility. But look at the overall tone of the video, it's too negative, without even appreciating what just happened in the PC industry. That's what bothers me Josh.
@adequatequality
Ай бұрын
Calm your shit. It’s a critical and unbiased test and first impressions. You want fake hype, go watch Unbox Therapy or any other reviewers that have sold themselves out. The harsh truth is that the Snapdragon processors are a good step forward, but it’s nothing impressive
@abhijith_mb
Ай бұрын
@@adequatequality I was expecting a better first impressions dude. I don't want hyped up paid reviews neither do I want biased negative reviews. You don't get it do you? You have a very small sense of understanding what is happening in the PC industry. Better waste your time replying to someone with lesser knowledge than you.
bro i cant wait for the full review... it's already thursday here
@JustJoshTech
28 күн бұрын
Almost there. It looks like a Friday morning launch for us here
@nyzrh
28 күн бұрын
@@JustJoshTech thx alot for the response
SNAPDRAGON X ELITE ❤❤❤
The summary is that Snapdragon X Elite powered devices are better than Macbook Air for light and medium tasks, and some heavy tasks that are ARM native.
@BearMetro
Ай бұрын
I don't think anything is really conclusive here.
This is exactly why Apple still rules the technology world and Iphones, Ipads and Macboooks are considered the pinnacle of consumer devices because they mostly does just work. All other are just following on the footstep of Apple ( even bad things like removing headphone jack, irrepairability, etc ).
@az-fy3mp
Ай бұрын
i have a macbook air M1. my logitech mouse work like shyt on it. they say i should use the $80 apple magic mouse. nope. not paying $80 for a fckin mouse. my wireless tp-link wifi adapter? don't work. also only 1 video out compared to 3 output on the snapdragon. apple just work? work like shyt.
@shaikhhar6911
Ай бұрын
@@az-fy3mp I also have a mac air m1 and use a cheap rapoo 8000m bluetooth/wifi keyboard/mouse combo (cost me $20) without any issue.
Cant believe out of nowhere we just have snapdragon windows laptops. Wild.
@TheOneAndOnlyNarutosGrandma
Ай бұрын
i mean not out of nowhere...
@itfeelslot
Ай бұрын
Yup hype is from 3-4 months
@blueboy3990
Ай бұрын
They already existed
@monicazander8010
Ай бұрын
Do you live under a rock mate
@TheTastefulThickness
Ай бұрын
@monicazander8010 I mean I guess. What snapdragon laptops have I been missing
low price point just to do MS office, and web browsing
Hey josh ive mailed you multiple times but I think my nails aren’t reaching so please please please reply to my comment and let’s get in contact I believe I can greatly help with the whole edge computing process Thanks really appreciate a chance to speak on the topic
@JustJoshTech
Ай бұрын
We got it, we actually talked about you today. Cierra is going to reach out to arrange a time