CECA is a trade agreement. Its not abt Indian qualification, skillset & jobs. So why ask supportive or not supportive? If it support & contribute to Singapore economy then yes but its not free & freeflowing.

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

CECA got nothing wrong, it's the policymakers!

@LonganLee

2 жыл бұрын

My concern is given almost every FTA SG signed is with a foreign country, if anyone questions any FTA will they be charged for racism since FTA is tied to a foreign country?

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@LonganLee Aiyah don't fake lah! Gov troll

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldlee2706 Shamugam doing his legal rhetoric!

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez LMW is who? Singaporean if see don't wake up serve u right lor. Anyway I don't have much days left to suffer. 😆

One of the pressing issues here are younger Singaporeans in hiring position are not willing or refused to hire matured Singaporeans over 45 years old even though those above 45 years old and retrenched or unemployed and were once a pmet are prepared to accept lower pay. I could perhaps understand for SME bosses who wish to reduce their overheads, they prefer to hire foreigners from Myanmar (and there is a growing number of them in S’pore) who are cheaper, but what about the MNCs, the banking & finance industry and even government departments? Matured Singaporeans face the same discrimination when applying to these institutions for jobs. Before pointing fingers at foreigners, Singaporeans first must exam their own attitude towards matured Singaporean workers. In fact, I have seen how younger Singaporeans in their 30s showing contempt and dislike of their matured colleagues.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

The employing manager might be concerned that the older PMET might be better than him and might take over his position later.

@jessicalang7320

2 жыл бұрын

@@ongajong yes, agree. This is a reason frequently given to justify why they refused to hire the older Singaporeans. I think the government has not done enough to educate Singaporeans in this area. Even my son’s primary school schoolmate mother lamented that her son had a older form teacher instead of a younger form teacher coz the older teacher is not fun. This is where charity begins at home.

@jessicalang7320

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez it takes 2 hands to clap. The older folks should be more open to ideas while the younger ones should not dismissed the older folks as outdated. After all, it’s a matter of time before we all age and are rather fixed in our ways.

@jessicalang7320

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez stop giving excuses for yourself. Why must the incorrect ways or behaviours be perpetuated?

@yongcc2774

2 жыл бұрын

Well said ..Age discrimination even happen among local...,

Can the govt breakdown how many Singaporeans per PR are in the Banking industry?

@vincecarlo

2 жыл бұрын

Just go have lunch at Mumbai Financial Center n make a Guesstimate

Why can't Shamugam provide figure from 2005 to current?

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@francisleong7989 I noticed that. He can interrupt but Mr Leong can't. He's playing with words when Mr Leong is dealing with the issue & he said "you are confusing me"?!!!

@hydroschua5018

2 жыл бұрын

Don't expect him to be forthcoming. He wiggles about and change the issues.

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

It's like how Lee Kuan Yew couldn't provide the figure for our Reserved Budget which would probably take 5 years to come up with the figure.

If there are 25000 PMETs position to fill, I cannot understand many of our university graduates are driving Grabs and taxis. Where is the problem. Failure of our universities? Some foreign PMETs were found to have fake university. Our university graduate is not as good as those foreign PMET with fake degree. Our GDP was $35K in 1995 and currently is $85K but our cost of living has gone up faster then our GDP. The cost of Wanton Mee was about $1.00. The cost of Wanton Mee is about $3.50. The cost of flat direct from HDB is more than five times higher. Our cost of living has gone up. Our standard of living did not go up. Most Singaporean(excluding those very high income group) are actually poorer today.

@benjaminwee9815

2 жыл бұрын

Pls look at the facts, based on our graduate cohort, more than 90% of each cohort is able to obtain jobs, hence ur statement of many graduates driving grab is untrue. Our unemployment rate is so low. U mentioned GDP moving faster than cost of living. Median income has grew from $3000 in 2010 to $4500 in 2020, that’s a 3-4% growth y-o-y. That growth is faster than the cost of living, just look at the Consumer Price index (CPI) a basket of commodities and goods, its growing at a slightly lower rate. Pls get the facts instead of just assumptions. To be fair, the gov has done a good job.

@achillesrodriguezxx3958

2 жыл бұрын

More educated but with less pay. Last time in the 60s granddad works as a coolie and is able to support 10 kids with a stay home wife. Now study so much get decent job also have difficulty raising 1 kid.

@gitikabalaguru9809

2 жыл бұрын

The person who posed inaccurate info needs to drive taxi

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminwee9815 How many times have you taken a Grab or taxi? What is your normal mode of transport. If you have spoken the Grab and taxi drivers, you will know what I have said is true. This is also mentioned by PSP. The minister did not disagree. "90% of each cohort is able to obtain jobs." Did they get the jobs they are trained for. Does the job include driving Grab or Taxi? I do not know how the CPI is calculated but I know a bowl of wanton mee cost 20% more than it was 3 years ago. The cost of fish and vegetable went up by more than 20% in the last two years. www.ptc.gov.sg/fare-regulation/bus-rail/fare-milestones. Bus and Rail fare increases, 10 cents in 2018, 20 cents in 2019.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

That was also my experience.

Mr Vivian Balakrishnan shame on you for calling NMP Leong an illiterate

@PeaceMoon100

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Leong is a good guy and have the people interest at heart … however he is uncertain about numbers …

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

The guy is illiterate!! Just give him the numbers. He won't be able to read them. :-)

@smling11

2 жыл бұрын

He supposed to take full responsibility for many things but still around collecting his fat cheque. His apology does not worth a cent, lip services.

@hydroschua5018

2 жыл бұрын

Vivian - boorish. Disgusting.

@JLLime

2 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to point out, Mr Leong is a NCMP, not NMP. Thanks!

I am in support of having opposition in parliament as that provides a devils advocate views on the government policies… but if its not being represented credibly, its wasting precious time, and a precious seat in parliament which another opposition representative, more credible, can achieve more in helping Singaporean secure jobs.

PAP has lost half the battle even before it starts debating defending CECA labelled it as racism. The other half is lost when they refused to provide any data on jobs benefiting Singaporeans. Clearly PAP has lost the debate but just couldn't admit. Thanks to Leong with a lion heart speaking out loud for all Singaporeans.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

I don't hear you complaining about FTAs that benefit Chinese migrants from Malaysia, China, or even Indonesia. Those FTs make up a much larger % of overall FTs, as you can tell from ethnic demographic changes remaining stagnant over the years. You are just racist pricks. All good since you boomers are also anti-vaccine and Covid-19 is a blessing in disguise.

@JohnLee-gt3sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@retaora4281 What killer concluding words! I certainly do not wish for anyone to succumb to Covid-19, regardless of their opinions. With such emotions, it is hard to be objective to the REAL issue.

@smkombucha7231

2 жыл бұрын

Why would hiding from India differ from hiring from other countries.

@smkombucha7231

2 жыл бұрын

Leong didn’t defend CECA… he attacked CECA. Attacking it without basis despite the information provided is racist…

@JohnLee-gt3sr

2 жыл бұрын

@@smkombucha7231 The government must reply or challenge the data and information provided by Ms Hazel Poa.

quite a disappointment of LW , please be more sincere

@TheSolitaire-tg3wj

2 жыл бұрын

@Seal Young can I correct you on this, it's not about me whether been sincere in listening, it's how this matter is put across with deep heartened rather than been partisan.

LKY has never "beat around the bush" like the currents ministers, Mr Lee was articulate and get his point across and we felt enlighten. These current ministers likes to say the obvious that we already understood yet they keep repeating the same things as if these ministers thinks most Singaporeans are idiots. Then they go round and round, but always the same, they simply can't step out of their comfort zone and deal with the issues more candidly.

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

Invoking the name of LKY like some lucky charm won't make them LKY. He looked after the wellbeing of Singaporeans. So, would advise them not to xia suay his good name. We won't be in such a mess today if he was around.

@bayaavarn4349

2 жыл бұрын

Wow

@fiost1489

2 жыл бұрын

@JonKoh You are just being biased.

@jennifer-oc6io

2 жыл бұрын

Our ministers r not beating around the bush, but the opposition r confused n argues baselessly

@jennifer-oc6io

2 жыл бұрын

Why is nobody being grateful to our government for raising our employment n jobs? A feat that no countries around the world can do

Imagine a scenario: high rate of local unemployment in a particular sector, and filled by highly qualified foreigner: this sector will become much more competitive and productive as compared with other countries. So this sector may be getting much higher income as compared with other countries. But the higher local unemployment is creating a wastage of resources, and if they suck up social welfare services, it is just lowering all the higher income we have gained. So one sided argument is always very short-sighted. Every person and resources, and every statistics need to carefully weighed and rebalance.

@sglc64

2 жыл бұрын

Imagine a scenario... The highly qualified foreigners attract more business to set up here creating more job opportunities. This allows locals to build up the needed skillsets. Meanwhile, because of the better business, the economy gained. And more locals can find jobs in this AND other sectors... There are OVER 20,000 jobs opening... how many unemployed/underemployed do we have?

Publish data concerning job ratio of Singaporeans : foreigners per tech, banking, biomedical sciences, hospital healthcare? Why aren't the govt employing/ training more locals as nurses now? Please give citizens an update , thank you.

Local? Residents? What is the proportion of Singaporeans vs Foreign PRs?

@1349793

2 жыл бұрын

I also notice the government never uses the term citizens in the data but locals. Locals also include PR and newly minted citizens. . I suppose if the data are skewed against citizens, its not helpful to separate the citizens and PR statistical figures.

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

@@1349793 Precisely. That's why they persistently resisted giving data to PSP

@fiost1489

2 жыл бұрын

SS Goh Is there a Local PR?

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiost1489 PRs are non Citizens. Citizens are locals but not all locals are citizens.

@hydroschua5018

2 жыл бұрын

@@1349793 The numbers will work against PAP's argument. So they say it is sensitive. Pritam has called them out.

Leong is not a good debator, but his points are valid. Shame on the incumbent trying to steer things away instead of addressing the problem. Got to give credit to Leong for taking on the relentless attacks and smearing by the incumbent. This man truly has the heart for Singaporeans.

@rafflesling9855

2 жыл бұрын

from your point of view

@khtay8731

2 жыл бұрын

Still a clerk?. By the way, we are in the 21st Century. Do you know what Singapore since 1965 and before has been doing? Do try to keep up with what has been going on in the world, and this means the rest of the world. FYI

@sychoxxxx

2 жыл бұрын

@@khtay8731 Yes we should keep up with the world like USA Amercian first, so in Singapore we aim for Singaporean first

@khtay8731

2 жыл бұрын

@@sychoxxxx. Sorry X. There's a difference between Singaporean 1st and Singapore 1st. One could be micro But the other is definitely a Macro strategy. For 56 years, which agenda do you think has been the dominant priority? Does also need money to be one of the 1st countries to buy Pfizer Moderna in sufficient quantities for all Singapore?

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@khtay8731 u mean that vac that increases virus?

Naive to think that with foreign talents gone, good jobs will be filled automatically by locals. As a recruiter, we are desperate for local tech talents, but the numbers just can't meet the current demands. If MNCs can't fill talents here (local or otherwise), they will simply shut down teams and move to offshore locations ie. Philippines which I have seen happened in the past years. This will come along with displacement of locals.

@fiost1489

2 жыл бұрын

You are right. He is a xenophobic guy doing populism.

LW hijacked the motion tabled by LMW by tabling his own motion so that he gain most of talktime...and put LMW and the PSP in the dock...

@bernieone9286

2 жыл бұрын

as LKY had said, it is not the duty for the ruling party to make life easy for the Opposition. These chaps must learn to fend for themselves by being better prepared and let the ordinary citizens decide.

There are still a huge pool of pmet. The older Singaporean pmet still do not have job. After so long of unemployment, savings & reserves are depleted & skillsfuture credit of $500 are used up very quickly even though much is required for other upgrading courses. There are many focus group getting feedback for what can be done for these older Singaporean pmet but albeit not heard by govt.

@excalibergto

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez u r either foreigner or pr ah?

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez Don't assume. But there are a huge group taking upgrading. Some are engineers. Few years of unemployment already. You can see desperation in their eyes. More so for guys who have aging parents at home. Some have parents with dementia/alzheimer aging problem. Sibling have mental issue certain degrees of schizo so left the job to look after his brother. Couldn't take up senior position overseas. A few others you see at focus group when they share.

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez one engineer prefer to be Marina Bay Sands casino operator. He left his $8k job. Sometimes its not just job title.

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez you are speculating, have not been there & so think its not possible & demean them as low income job.

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez Yes. I see both sides & tell them what is on the other side. The thing is ppl hate change & still prefer to live inside the box.

Hazel Poa very smart. The other minister couldn't answer her question can only avoid. Huge loophole in the statistics.

@TheAmoscokkie

2 жыл бұрын

i think the ministers did answered, but trying to be hide the numbers.

Dear Mr.Lawrence Wong, please be more Singaporean ,than partisan,you are talking about your own very citizens, please

@limlisa

2 жыл бұрын

LW is pro Singapore but must be the right way not the populist way.

@khtay8731

2 жыл бұрын

Long Mun Wai must Introduce to the government those foreign investors that Leong knows can Invest in Singapore & Fulfill PSP requirements. Can Fool Fill or not? Of course Talking or even talking badly is still easier than executing and achieving. Anyone here thinks Singapore doesn't need and survive on trade and investment?

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

@@khtay8731 As if you can "talk" English "not badly" huh, Kh Tay?

@khtay8731

2 жыл бұрын

@@nanyanghuayi I guess to some, talking is already good enough since money comes from hot air.

Yes, mr lee kuan yew took special care but not the present govt.

@ManjuTiger

2 жыл бұрын

@Seal Young Hey bro I saw you jumping everywhere on KZread, you 50cent army or what

Why pap always on the foreigner's side? Why they don't want to help their own locals? Should l vote for them in the future?

Why is Mr Leong speech was cut off more than twice?

@fiost1489

2 жыл бұрын

He was trembling and restless They gave him a break

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@fiost1489 really! It was on purpose! Sarbo!

Looks and sounds more like someone was tried in court rather than a debate.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

For the lawyer, it is about wining. The important matter is secondary.

Keep all issues aside 1st and make all efforts to reduce the widespread of infections. Nothing is more important than keeping our lives safe. Out babies children n all who cannot be vacinnated

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

Get updated on some general knowledge about COVID-19 if you're so concerned about it. Meanwhile, life goes on and pandemic or no pandemic, we gotta have food as living things. Health is dependent on what we can get out of our livelihoods too, Madam Ang.

@siewwanang9248

2 жыл бұрын

@@nanyanghuayi live on our savings for a year or two is no issue, help the very poor and keep infections number low. Nearly a thousand cases a day is horrible. Last year original strains on young foreign labour and they are strong to ward it off with or without medications. This round, infected person's are mostly from residents outside dorm, and the health is sure not comparable to our young foreign labour. If it spread, the whole family may be wiped out....and don't think the vacinne can protect your life, if it is after 6 months, then our immunity need to be robust, which many of us are not since handphone is the 2nd line after food, then sleep come in 3rd. I see bad things if infections not curbed now.

@siewwanang9248

2 жыл бұрын

@@nanyanghuayi with a thousand cases daily north south east west, no where to hide ley.....even cycling track is getting more crowded.

Minister LW: Your arguments are rather unconvincing. Your "data and evidences" are sparse. Please release detail data for say the construction industry. Also please look at how many construction companies' treatment of mid level staff like site engineers. 3rd world labour costs for 1st world work? We are sourcing for engineers from cities like Sivaganga for Sgd 850 a month. Which NUS, NTU or SP, or NP engineering graduate can compete with them? CECA is really affecting engineers in some industries. The document may be water tight, but execution by HR staff showed otherwise. As an aside, if we expect zero tolerance for bad behaviour, why are we allowing foreign born Singaporeans and PRs from a certain south Asian country from coming through our airports? Since they still have families back in their former home countries, should we not hold them off and explain to them this is a necessary sacrifice for the integrity of their new home country.

The problem that Singaporeans are facing the high "standard of living". Everything is very expensive in Singapore and many jobs don't really pay us well to match with the high standard of living.

So it still boils down to the fact that many of our ministers still feel that the job market is fair towards locals.

@bayaavarn4349

2 жыл бұрын

Of course...

@bayaavarn4349

2 жыл бұрын

The rich will get richer....the poor die.

@MayaMuthiah

2 жыл бұрын

@Callum Bain don’t think so. The forefathers of this country made her great.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@MayaMuthiah Actually, the forefathers relied on foreign investments attracted by FTAs. It must be tough trying to understand this highly technical economic debate with education limited to secondary school.

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

@@retaora4281 Were there FTAs in our forefathers' time?

so many time mr leong talk there is lag or glitch, i dont think its a coincident

why is CECA being brought up now when it was signed in 2005? Did I miss something?

@jaredho1157

2 жыл бұрын

Jokers

Both have their point and should be look into

I salute his one man show. Not many have the guts to speak up against so many aggressive politicians in a open parliamentary debate.

@Autonomous4kpsf

2 жыл бұрын

This is the type of MP SG need

@LonganLee

2 жыл бұрын

Pritam Singh is Leader of Himself? Not just that. He is paid handsomely as Leader of Opposition. PSP is Opposition and what has come out of his mouth pertaining to PSP? Any support given to PSP? ALL WP MP should be ashamed to claim to be opposition mp

@stanleylo4389

2 жыл бұрын

@@LonganLee Pap IB ?

@jeromesimon8916

2 жыл бұрын

@@LonganLee why ah? Explain how is pritam a leader for himself?

@LonganLee

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeromesimon8916 when did I say that? Leader of Himself is not Leader for himself. I was asking. Why so defensive? Are you the Singh ?

Cant they break down the points of discussion to more basic points without referring to Ceca or Fda, 2 hours for a non-conclusive discussion does not look good for Sg in the world map!

@gitikabalaguru9809

2 жыл бұрын

Cos we are racist

@User-gl5tu

2 жыл бұрын

@@gitikabalaguru9809 Thats GOOD!

Pr number in that local pemt number?

As an Indian who studied at NUS, I feel sad that India is losing professionals to Singapore. I hope India creates so many opportunities that qualified professionals don't have to go to foreign nations. As an anecdote, almost 90% of Indians in my class at NUS have returned to India or have gone to other western countries. Which is good. Studying at NUS has given me one precious skill, which is, it has given me the confidence that I can learn anything new at any time without difficulty for that I will always be grateful to my alma mater.

@macrick

2 жыл бұрын

Please invite them back. Our tiny island cannot accommodate all of you and PRCs. Too many of you.

@vkchaitanya2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@macrick Yes Hopefully no one from India and PRC go to Singapore for work and hope they find good jobs in their home countries,

Secure jobs for Singaporeans? Pls know wat you are talking..the ground people knew better then you

Shamugam is sarcastic & don't understand what Mr Leong is saying but catching words to attack rather than the subject of the motion!

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

He is wasting the parliament time. The speaker of parliament is very patient with him. When Leong is speaking the speaker is very impatient. Mr Leong has to tell him to give him to complete what he want to say. I thought speaker of parliament is supposed to be neutral.

Lol, do you know how many small to medium sized companies have difficulties finding local employees? It is not that there is no opportunity for Singaporeans. Many locals are just extremely picky, and they all want to enter big MNCs. They want high pay, good work life balance, no overtime and definitely not an oppressive local company. And when they finally enter into MNCs, they will complain about the ceilings for locals. I mean com'on!

If CECA has no impact on flow of India citizen(not Singaporean Indian, I am not a racist) then why are there so many Indian PMETs working in Singapore as compare to other nationalities.

@Gaurav21ify

2 жыл бұрын

By so many would you say in percentage? Because there other National foreigners too and India is 3rd largest after other 2 National leading. Perhaps you may share statistics by nationality among foreign workers if it is really India at highest or different nationality among total number of foreign workers( workers and not students).

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaurav21ify Go to Changi business park, see for yourself if you are keen to know.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez The other nationalities refer to PMETs.

@Gaurav21ify

2 жыл бұрын

FTA does not relate to immigration as they are trade agreements and not immigration agreements, even if you say that , then what about other FTA as China FTA , USA or other that makes majority of foreign population and highest turnout of PR compared to India who is at 3rd spot behind.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaurav21ify Start watching from 2:57 of the youtuble, the PSP managed to show that CECA has greatly increase the flow of PMETs from India.

Shanmugam is very good at wasting time in parliament

@christophers2937

2 жыл бұрын

He and the rest of the Ministers meet their match- LMW. That was what they were also doing in their twist and turn with WP.

When we built The Esplanade , it was first and it was first in South East Asia. I was involved as Senior Electrical and Sr Project Engineer from starting of Electrical work in November 1998 till TOP and completion of DLP in May 2003. My dedicated 4 and half years there.

Why around 1hr50min the judge said he is not sure what LML is saying? Didn't he made his point super clear that we needed more information on CECA and FTA? Why is it that they keep asking him if he agrees or not with CECA? THE NEED MORE INFORMATION, NOT NEED ANY STUPID AGREEMENT/DISAGREEMENT ON FTA.

There is no straightforward support or not support ceca & fta if there is no further disclosure/detail. So why ask whether he support or not when he already said there is no disclosure not that he totally not supportive!

@diva555sg

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez really?! So he must learn to twist & turn just as he is being tested lah!

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, let's shut-down FTAs. Let's turn back foreign investments. Since you're so highly educated in the field of economics, why don't you propose an alternative export for Singapore? Perhaps natural resources? Oh wait, we don't have any. How about technological innovations? Oh right, your son doesn't want to create his own start-up. Perhaps you should be convincing your family members to lead their own technological start-ups to create jobs and value for Singaporeans instead of crying about issues you have 0 understanding of.

@hydroschua5018

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong for speaker Tan to insist on a support/ don't support reply. This is not a law court to cross examine. The discussion is on the problems an FTA has brought about.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydroschua5018 Why is CECA being singled out? Most of our FTs come from Malaysia. The key issue here is xenophobes are unhappy to see 1.2 (arbitrary) brown individuals for every 10 Chinese individuals they come across compared to the previous figures of 1.18 (arbitrary).

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

@@hydroschua5018 High 5! I've already commented likewise until I come across your comment. U're earlier than me, but I had that thought on September 15, 2021 afternoon before I signed off at around 16:00. Admittedly, I don't know if that's how the Speaker of the House should facilitate a debate in Parliament. Nevertheless, I remember watching a short video clip of debate between British Prime Minister Theresa May and Labour Party leader, Jeremy Corbyn. It's nowhere like a trial in court. Tan Chuan Jin the Commander EXPECTS ALL SUBORDINATES TO ACCEDE TO HIS INTENTIONS, NO QUESTIONS ASKED. On the mass media, he APPEARS TO BE UNDERSTANDING OF THE AVERAGE SINGAPOREAN. In reality when you speak to him face-to-face, the DESPOT TAN CJ EMERGES AS IF DR JEKYLL MORPHS INTO MR HYDE right before your eyes.

HDB 99 YEAR LEASE TIMEBOMB... JUST RETURN OUR CENTRAL PROVIDENT FUNDS...

@khtay8731

2 жыл бұрын

Tony, Good to hear that you will be alive to the age of 130 and you have enough cpf to last for 75 years after 55. WOW 👍

The issue is not to chase away foreigners but to have a ratio quota where in any other country would not permit foreign quota to be more than 1/3 of the company size. My local born brother in law with a PhD from Singapore, coupled with many years working in top notch university hospital , applied for a job in Singapore only to interviewed by two foreigners HR staff. Isn't this a common sight in other countries where foreign HR staff interviews our local qualified Singaporean. I can understand if the panel of interviewers are made up of both local and foreigners but only foreigners! No where in the world will this condition happen.

Being a Singaporean and having lived most of my adult life here with a couple of years overseas, I love my country deeply but in the same breath have to see it go. Let me explain…You see part of the reason why such topics/debates seem like they beat around the bush is really because there is NO viable solution for a small city state that is at its peak of maturity. I am sympathetic to any government who is in charge today, be it PAP, PSP, SDP,WP trying to deploy tactics, steering and policies to secure our nation and our economical survival. The truth is that Singapore because of its inherent risks in our geography, zero dependence on oil, next to no agriculture or primary industries, will forever be reliant on a “people factory” strategy. By this I mean making/importing/luring people into the “factory” and railroading our lives by way of eduction and policies towards a singular aim; economic growth at all cost, (some would argue survival). This is no wonder, after 2-3 generations materialism is a strongly held value embedded in our lives and psyche. The signal/barometer of economic success (or failure) can be seen through the lenses of material wealth… Frankly for us to have got here after we gained independence was a combination of hard work, sheer will and a truck load of luck- but inherently we knew deep down that growth, prosperity (especially propagated on economical growth) will taper off eventually. It has to. And the “people factory” needs to be fed with new fuel. whether it’s Singaporeans, foreigners or even full automation and AI one day. And so because the economy is our singular focus, the group set of decisions and dilemmas are always the same; if we impose minimum wage =we lose competitiveness. If we clamp down on EP holders= we lose investment. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t. A Singaporean friend of mine who has since left Singapore has an interesting viewpoint. He said Singapore today is an opportunity for the Singaporean to be born into privilege, raised in safety & comfort and educated in local institutions. Perhaps enter the workforce for a few years, “collect your bag of chips”(subsidised HDB) and essentially satisfy the lower tiers of Maslow’s hierarchy of NEEDS in one’s life, basically everything other than self-actualisation. In and of itself this makes sense to me. Singapore will constantly be in a state of struggle, even if this is purely philosophical. being a small nation state, we will constantly be looking out for threats, constantly trying to leverage to survive, constantly looking over our shoulders- as a government, as a people and as a country. so it goes, and evidently we see that we will continue to hustle, continue to worry about material needs. Self actualization is being able to transcend and to move past our material needs, perhaps becoming highly involved parents, contributing to our community, our globe, climate warming, pursuing egalitarianism etc - pretty much stuff you don’t read or hear about here. So my view is this; for the enlightened, Singapore is temporary for the Singaporean. Educate yourself here, bathe yourself in the positive image the country has around the world, for guys, serve your NS do your duty for god’s sake!… then GO! Leave and pursue self-actualization in another country; NZ, Canada,US,Europe- pick your poison really. Just get out of the Truman show that you are living in! Granted there is no perfect country but at least put yourself in a situation where your new country possses a bigger economy and has sizeable political and military Muscle on the world stage and Definitely void of the elements that would require it to only rely on an insatiable economic growth appetite. Go live life the way it’s supposed to be lived. Then, watch, allow & wish well those from lesser developed countries around singapore to come to Singapore to improve their lives. They will contribute to the Singapore’s economy and they too will leave in time to self actualize and then the cycle continues. I know it sounds bleak but this is the people conveyor belt that will have to accept. If you re-watch these and any other debates on similar topics with this new mental frame then it certainly becomes far more amusing but also understandable why the hunt for a solution will always be perpetual while the metrics to measure will have to follow suit to policy, not the other way around. I will leave you with a poem I learnt in secondary school written by William Henry Davies. Like many Singaporeans growing up in the 80s I latched onto such simple ideas of life only to find that these will always remain only ideas in my truly beloved country… “What is this life if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare. No time to stand beneath the boughs And stare as long as sheep or cows. No time to see, when woods we pass, Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass. No time to see, in broad daylight, Streams full of stars, like skies at night. No time to turn at Beauty's glance, And watch her feet, how they can dance. No time to wait till her mouth can Enrich that smile her eyes began. A poor life this if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare.”

@chinaiklow465

2 жыл бұрын

This was very insightful. Thank you.

@James-hk3qn

2 жыл бұрын

Did you come on coffeetalk by any chance? Your episode was a much better than one than Balji’s.

@noelnavin

2 жыл бұрын

@@James-hk3qn yes I did. And thank you for you kind words.

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

You are from the privileged, elite class I believe.

@ssgoh4968

2 жыл бұрын

You are from the privileged, elite class I believe.

Prices of food have gone up....astronomical...

@adityakrishnaakula746

2 жыл бұрын

Like what? I don’t see any increases, can provide examples?

@bayaavarn4349

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityakrishnaakula746 I don't have the time to collect the data......thosai was selling 2.70 now $3

@shimengyap9255

2 жыл бұрын

@@adityakrishnaakula746 me neither. Maybe Bayaa eats steel or paper

@adityakrishnaakula746

2 жыл бұрын

@@bayaavarn4349 😆 astronomical

@bayaavarn4349

2 жыл бұрын

@@shimengyap9255 whatever will be will be

They sold Singapore to India with ceca special Promotion offer packages

@jaredho1157

2 жыл бұрын

Nah we have alr been sold to china until people know us as chinapore. What a disgrace

@heavengod8650

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaredho1157 There are no agreement with china unlike CECA , so stop your lies

Creating more riders, taxi, grab jobs for citizens and creating jobs for foreigners. Any attempt to save our jobd become racists issues

Hazel Poa is very impressive, but again she was an insider....downside is, she speaks like a stastician rather than politician... i would not worry if i were the other party

@TheAmoscokkie

2 жыл бұрын

she is good speaker and present things with facts. Like instance, does the increase of jobs goes to local or cos the FT become PR in the process increases local jobs

Not free flow of FT, then how come sg have 60% of non citizens? Or 60% is not considered as free flow?

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez excuse

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez nevermind let all Singaporean see your comment. It's a good thing.😏

@Gaurav21ify

2 жыл бұрын

Non citizen foreigners(non pr) are only 10-12% if you simply Google the report

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaurav21ify it should be made official. Democratic Government's basic job. Transparency! Or SG government getting closer to communist China? Been changing laws secretly..

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@soreeyez mob? Mop I know. Anyway don't delete. Very good to wake a few more people up.

Confused!! The public is not confused through 90% are no from RI. but what confused are ambiguous data definitions likelocal, residents.

Dear Sir, Minister Mr Wong. While I am not disputing what you are explaining about Foreigner Employment Policy I would sincerely provide feedback here at this juncture.

My question. Why foreigners have a minimum wage requirement? Why singaporean wages are all over the shop.

Let say I had lost my job to the incompetent foreigners who unfairly terminated from SDK who is Contractor responsible for Woodlands Health Campus. My former two senior colleagues both were and came from the same country did not have talent( skills).

Q) Why it's called CECA and not just called FTA with India as with other countries? Ans) because it is predicted that India may grow as the next economic superpower, supply chains in the post-pandemic world are changing. Western countries reject China and inclining towards India; we have to benefit from this economic shift. Do you think the Singapore government is foolish in negotiating FTAs and economic cooperation? Please understand that we are Import driven economy (food), and we cannot lose any tangible chance. Hence Singapore will take advantage of the global supply chain adjustments and act accordingly.

Local including PR?

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@👋 Hi 😊 because pr is citizens of other countries

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@springandsummerhandle only to gain citizenship. After tat then can apply citizenship. Bravo policy making. Internal security at stake!

@oldlee2706

2 жыл бұрын

@@springandsummerhandle other countries citizens in our army....

I agree FDAs in general is good for Singaporean, but CECA is not a fair FDAs for Singaporean. India citizen and Singaporean Indian are not the same group of people. We should treat all Singaporean the same, but Singapore gov should treat Singaporean better than Indian citizen. We are not racist, why did minister link CECA to racisim.

@Gaurav21ify

2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t Singapore multi cultural society where country natives were actually Malay and then other nationality settled in and hence mixed culture, so why being a citizen still be divided in treatment?

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gaurav21ify All the citizen are treated equally. PMETs from India are India citizen and not Singapore Indian.

@achillesrodriguezxx3958

2 жыл бұрын

@@ongajong PAP Using racism as a sword to put down patriotic Singaporeans who care and are nationalistic to our country. The problem isn't race but nationality when it comes to FT.

@achillesrodriguezxx3958

2 жыл бұрын

@👋 Hi 😊 This problem has already long existed. Locals do not like PRC as well.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

@Seal Young ICT is abbreviation for many things,, please be more specific.

Dear Sirs ( all our Ministers) I have raised this dominating of our fellow ASEAN country's Citizens in Singapore. It was 2015 just after GE,I personally have a feedback to the then our newly elected MP that these discrimination I have found and was cause of concern.

If I find myself what talent I have ? (1) Argument .If I am right I will not accept the false . (2) Never give up and die hard . If the job not done, would not go for lunch or sleep

I FULLY AGREE with Mr Leong MW of PSP on all the points brought up! He has explained clearly its not about racism or xenophobia. Our PMETs should all be employed as PMETs, not as Grab Drivers, except on medical grounds. When we have more jobs than our work force can fulfill, then only should we turn to foreign grounds. Abolish CECA! Abolish CECA! Abolish CECA!

@EcJxlol

2 жыл бұрын

as a singaporean chinese PMET, i STRONGLY disagree with you. i do not want to work with other singaporean PMETs if they are underskilled this only undermines our competitiveness comparative with other countries, if they are too underskilled the government should provides upskills incentives to bring the edge to the singaporean core which includes indians/malays/chinese of singaporean descent. by singling out CECA instead of all the other FTA, YOU ARE TARGETING AND HURTING my FELLOW INDIANS FRIENDS i GREW up with, i reiterate this again you are racist, AS a locally born and grown SINGAPOREAN, i am disgusted that i share the same place called home as you.

How come we hen oppo say thing video lag one?

PSP’s heart is in the right place with the people. Mr Pritam Singh also gave a well thought speech. Good to see both opposition parties working together!

@fiost1489

2 жыл бұрын

He is not doing it for Spore. He is an opportunist. Sowing discord.

After the whole debate, nothing moved, it's status quo.

Ms Hazel Poa, very well said!! 👍🏽

NTU and NUS are highly reputable ( within top 20 among 26000 universities around the world) and yet to call these local graduates to refresh their fundamental engineering subject prior to PE Board Examination to qualify for registration???

PAP challenged PSP to debate about CECA. CECA main issue is about India Indian working in Singapore. PAP should use real concrete data to explain and to convince to debate the issue. Instead from day 1, after PSP accepting the challenge, PAP have been using racism and anti-foreigner label to do smearing and to avoid real discussion and debate. If PAP do not want to discuss about India Indian working in Singapore from CECA, they should amend CECA with India, not by playing racism card.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

Why is CECA an issue if other FTAs are not? We have way more Malaysian FTs than Indian FTs. Your only issue is seeing Indians in management roles which goes against your racist views reinforced by your historically-prejudiced perception against brown people. You are comfortable seeing them as lower-income blue-collar workers. p.s. I am a Singaporean so don't bother with racist replies.

@smling11

2 жыл бұрын

@@retaora4281 New Singaporean or Fake Singaporean, or hiding behind racism to blackmail. Read about history of Malaysia and Singapore. Secondly the discussion is all about CECA, and Malaysia is not part of CECA. Or like Shan, challenged PSP to debate about CECA, and then using race to hide and smear, but no data coming forwards. Your attack on Malaysia show exactly who and what you are.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@smling11 Our history with Malaysia? You mean the history where they refused governance rights for Singapore's Chinese majority? Or when they threatened us multiple times with both war and water supply blockage? You are obviously a Malaysian, and not a Singaporean. Why is the discussion about CECA if Malaysia exports more FTs to Singapore than India does, despite India having a population 43 times greater than that of Malaysia? The answer is that you're a pathetic racist, hiding behind 'economic impact' even though you've never studied economics. Judging by your replies, you've never studied anything in your life so don't worry too much. FTs can't steal jobs that you aren't even qualified for. I am a Singaporean and served like every other male. Did you even serve? I doubt it. Also, if you want to talk about history, let's not forget about the thousands of Indian and Australian soldiers who died trying to defend SG from the JPN army. Go back to Facebook. KZread actually has people who argue with facts, something you boomers don't know how to access.

@smling11

2 жыл бұрын

@@retaora4281 you are talking rubbish now and distorting LKY and if you Singaporean, worse enjoying the fruits of LKY, and hurting the hands that are feeding you. Not worthy of more reply or attention. I see too many of your kind, hiding behind racism to attack and to blackmail.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@smling11 Your argument is pathetic and actually got a chuckle out of me. Keep being a xenophobic L just because your ego gets hurt when you see successful South Asians.

I am 71 years old .I supported and stall supporting our ruling party PAP . I recognized some of these 4G ministers since their starting in 2010/11.Mr Leong is (yes)from opposition not forget that he is our fellow Singapore Citizens.

Please explain how come 871,800 Singaporean take home < $2,400 and 122,900 unemployed. This amount to close to 30% of our population. Talk is cheap, easy and worthless. But execution have been talk about for years... Now still talk about CECA create jobs for Singaporean. Our education system is screw up or 30% of Singaporean are screw up or you the government screw up?

Are those jobs offered to overseas foreign talents advertised in Sg govt jobsite (My Career) for at least 2 weeks as openings to local talents ( as Sg MOM guide requires Sg employers to follow prior to forei recruitment of foreign workers). Are these recruitment of foreign talents get exemption from MOM requirenents. One can only see that job postings in Sg govt job website 'My Career' are all relatd to jobs that offerred range of salaries from sgd 1600 to 3000. Sg MOM guide states that the minimum starting salary is sgd 2500 for SPASS (executive grade), & sgd 4500 for EP (Emplyment pass for Foreign Professional / talent).

Wow government not answer any questions but keep asking questions. All BS. I go sleep Liao! Lousy. Low standard. Employ FT minister lah! Useless!

I met several Japanese Senior Engineers who copies our Singapore Standard Code of Practices and brought back to their home , Japan. Their electrical standards are basically American's while ours British. Again Japanese gained talent in Singapore . The talent they gain benefits their country.

I would sincerely hope that the Government will look into plugging of these holes in Work Pass System.

I did not bring tons of skills and tons of talents from Burma when I flew to Singapore on 29th March 1981. I trained myself and also my employers and Singapore Government trained me to be prepared for economic turbulence and taking up challenges.But I was surprised that Woodlands Health Campus site was like Metro Manila.

not sure why all the chinese kaopeh so much. forgien pmet is only 350k. but millions of malaysian chinese and china chinese has came here and became PR and citizen and they are ok with it? chinese only want to see yellow colour around and not other colours in singapore

@Tommashelbyeee

2 жыл бұрын

@Joe Kerr ​ @Joe Kerr u think this is chinapore? even the gov prefer us than the yellow skin. the gov is bringing over more of us here and take over the yellow skin.

@Tommashelbyeee

2 жыл бұрын

@Niko Lodeon Yes i know Joe Kerr is a Malaysian since he supported malaysians to come singapore and get citizenship in another comment.

How much is being invested in skillsfuture?

In Singapore we have world class education centers and we faled to produce enough BIM Modelers which caused an ASEAN countrymen dominate (60% or more positions at WHC Project were occupied by them)

@AloysiusWang

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in this course, the problem is no one would want to do it

@adamkhan7102

2 жыл бұрын

we failed

But what is Hands on Experience? When I was only engineer to handle the Generator Power Supply project for a Hospital in Yangon, I attended all the meetings. For soil improvement, piling or no piling, civil and structure, diesel tankage, mechanical, of course all electrical matters. I represent the owner and consultant was local Singapore. They asked me what engineer are you, Adam? I think a minute and replied "General Engineer.

@fabianwee

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Mr Engineer,, what is your DB of the hospital generator?

As always, even during pandemic civil servants and policy makers still have guarantee in their jobs, salary and bonus wages

@KrisDomInvestor

2 жыл бұрын

Regarding "this debate", in my opinion, PSP sounds racist in their thoughts (esp., the old guy - unquoted) and just raised the issue to corner the PAP government by using public emotions. Please understand that Jobs Loss and Unemployment Stress is arising due to COVID across the globe. Ofcourse, we should not forget that no one can stop talented ones from securing a job. Singapore is the best country, and the government is managing well.

Sir, you have been in MND and also Education and I would sincerely request to look into training our local boys and girls to narrow gap in talent and skills to stand ourselves with other ASEAN Countries' PMET's

@nanyanghuayi

2 жыл бұрын

How to train wimps, harebrained and spoilt brats "to narrow gap in talent and skills to stand ourselves with other ASEAN Countries" PMETs"? Oh yes, we do have talents to compete with the ASEAN counterparts ---- computer gamers.

@ongajong

2 жыл бұрын

Those who laughed and supported what he said are equaly guilty. They should also apologized.

As a Singaporean working under foreigner superiors I've suffered my share of disheartening descrimination. But I saw my grievances heard & swiftly acted upon by the government, the MOM in particular, and experienced first hand the privilege of being a Singaporean. Now I just wish to express my appreciation & gratitude & I firmly believe that Singaporeans are in safe hands (albeit I'm speaking in my capacity only as the 'T' in PMET 😐)

@hiddenshadow-5570

2 жыл бұрын

In real life Singaporeans live on top of all races under foriegn companies or NMCs, Singaporeans apparently suffer most on Singaporean or Malaysian owned Companies since they have to be equal with other foriegners working 9-10 hrs a day Monday to Friday and most of the time every Saturday half day!

Just an academic speech from lw. Citizens have experienced real life issues at work, trying to get a job, being discriminated against, being sidelined and short changed, a significant portion of us working in MNC's or have worked for them know this is real and not something to be debated and proved. So they can continue to debate and judge the citizens voicing their disappointment at the discrimination created by flawed Labour policies. It doesn't matter as soon there will be more voting against this party who doesn't want to listen but just debate and judge.

The female MP seated behind was dozing off whilst Minister LW was speaking.

Why Registration of Professional Enginners is confined to the schedule of universities stipulated in PE Acts.

The EP & SP are adjusted inside the company not what you think it is.

It was at Woodlands Health Campus Project

All tex- payer citizen's need to know in full detail about our money being used on what n Ware.

@disneyplus2995

2 жыл бұрын

So stupid can dont act like u contribute tax?

Why government remove the requirement of 13th Month Bonus ???

With all due respect, gd morning DP Minister Lawrence Wong Sir as well as All Ministers And Speaker Of Parliament Mr Tan Chuan Jin Sir.

Haiz, Our Gov can’t rejected those companies that can’t make it SME, can’t understand why? Since they can’t afford to pay more or reached the higher tier of salary towards employees why still let them operated, let more MNC companies come in to operator. Because It a negative cycle history repeating itself raise of GST to 9%, how many young Singaporean can afford HDB and able to service their mortgage loan that recently been increased. I am a young Singapore, I see no point in putting effort to Singapore, as majority of SMC not willing to up skills the worker and courses are very costly if a lower and medium income worker not only need to pay for his or hers necessary expenses.

How come Shamugam can tell Mr Leong to take it up another time but Mr Leong cannot?

20 years ago, few Singaporeans wanted to study computer science. In year 2000, IT is popular and has a good starting salary. Why not want to study it ?

@jokerr3824

2 жыл бұрын

Until they have to compete with cheaper and young Indians from India ! It is another failed Singapore government policy !

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@jokerr3824 Singapore's best software engineers are poached by Silicon Valley and are paid extremely well compared to other Singaporeans. Computer Science in Singapore is an extremely difficult degree. Why would anybody study it to receive the same low wages offered to graduates from other easier degrees? Singaporeans want to work in tech, but they don't want to work in the tech jobs that FTs are taking up. You are ignorant and base your arguments on silly messages that circulate on your xenophobic Whatsapp groups.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@Seal Young I find it funny how it's a bunch of boomers who've never had boots on the ground complaining about the job market for fresh PMET graduates.

@jokerr3824

2 жыл бұрын

@@retaora4281 Computer Science is difficult ? Really ? Not as enough as Physics ! I would know because I have a degree in Computer Science ! Seriously you are talking about a field which I have a lot of knowledge and experience. I started with punch cards.. if you have worked with punch cards and acoustic coupler then you will know how old I am.

@retaora4281

2 жыл бұрын

@@jokerr3824 Computer science is literally the hardest degree to get admitted to in Singapore and has the highest drop-out rates as well as the highest starting pay. Maybe you haven't realised but people don't use punch cards anymore so that's not relevant. Also, Singapore has very mediocre pay w.r.t. these industries when comparing to the US or even China.

I sincerely request the Government not to use Foreign Talents at all. Now most of the HR departments of good companies use the term talents, talents, talents. Rather use to train and retrain and re-re-train on the Job. No Single nationality has God Blessing Talents as birth Gifts or Birth Right. Those countries produce talents because they invested in their own Human Resources rather than looking into importing Foreign Talents.

Actually the stories I've heard are from taxi drivers. Most I chat with, a handful of them used to hold high, or executive positions in their specific fields of work. Some, are also highly educated too. But they had to result in a career switch for not just his or her livelihood, but for their love ones too. Don't shun away from this topic. There must be a reason why this subject is brought up again. Go, take public transports, see , observe , and listen to what Singaporeans have to say.

@chenkaiweng4668

2 жыл бұрын

The answer is simple, why it's called CECA and not just called FTA with India as like with other countries.

We Built several hospital in Singapore and Woodlands Health Campus is not entirely very special but there is some new techniques introduced. However I was the M&E Coordinator who detected the fault line. But the Korean national was so powerful and he remove me from the site. His seniors , perhaps, cannot control him too.

LMW is all over the place LW is just following what hes supposed to say by LHL Shanmugam is being pedantic and misses the forest by focussing on the tree hazel is great pritam just wants to let pap and psp battle it out

BIM is skills and we do not need our boys and girls to obtain master and Ph D degress. Our ITE's can pick our own talents . Those who plays computer games may have talent in BIM Modeling. Who knows? Unless we investigate , analyse, model such program to produce Singapore's World Class Talents. Thank you. Yours faithfully. Khan Meng Au, Adam ( Clementi)

@ahmoitong8631

2 жыл бұрын

😢

It's not racism and xenophobia, why not do a survey about whether they integrate with Singaporean. In my work place, they do not socialize with local team and instead create their own social circle - same goes in my neighborhood.

I sincerely feel that the Government should look into the matter I had raised that Foreigner PMT (when they are majority ) at particular engineering and construction sector unfairly blocked and removed from Singaporeans from the work

I am feeling the same that I am qualified to be M&E manager in our local and Public projects where the foreigners are taking our places.

Mr Leong is good