"A safe space for comedy" should never be uttered by a comedy club owner. 😂

@russ254

3 ай бұрын

And we cater to those who threaten to r@p3 us!

@aidanmagill6769

3 ай бұрын

A safe space for comedy would be one where you could do a comedy show without it being shut down by people who weren't going to attend it in the first place.

@user-zv3ys2ve3x

2 ай бұрын

Being held hostage by their own customers and it doesn't even sound like they even have enough for a profitable business

@EmF95573

2 ай бұрын

Yet they shut down the comments when they realize the vast majority doesn’t blindly agree with them 😅

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

​@EmF95573 shut down the comments and they cry here about how they don't know what they're doing and are being attacked and go back and sell t shirts promoting this whole thing...

"I don't want to compare Kurt Metzger to Rosa Parks, but. . ."(24:16) is the funniest thing ever said on this or any other podcast.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

I thought that was a tight comparison

Saying Jim Florentine is a controversial comedian is wild

@independentRestorationServices

3 ай бұрын

That’s what I thought when I heard he was “banned”. I was like, “Damn, maybe I need to check him out again- I haven’t really listened in years. Is he based now?”

@xyz4155

2 ай бұрын

it was obvious a joke naming jim. the real answer was luis j gomez

@ronRon-fl1qw

2 ай бұрын

He makes tard jokes, banned

This club is unlikely to succeed, even with “support” from the neighborhood. By their own admission, the owners don’t know what they’re doing, yet they’re convinced the niche market they’re trying to create will make them money.

@redguy8941

3 ай бұрын

Yeah because queer comedy is in such high demand right now 😂😂😂

@ATMyles

3 ай бұрын

@@redguy8941 right! If a comic is funny, the vast majority of people won’t care if they’re gay, straight, white, black, any other ethnicity, a man or a woman, they just want a laugh, and not to be preached to.

@R9BC9NR9Y

3 ай бұрын

They have a mic called "queers to the front" it was gay

@jsnx9067

2 ай бұрын

@@redguy8941 they will pivot to drag show kiddy diddling shit

@KentBuchla

2 ай бұрын

They will eventually get torn apart by the neighborhood that they are trying to appease.

What a crazy, embarrasing conversation

The person I really don't get is why ban Jim Florentine, he's not a controversial comedian, the fact he was lumped in tells me they have no idea what they're doing.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

Mob mentality attacking anybody associated with who they don't like. A mob insisting there is another mob that isn't as good as them and deserves condemnation. That's intolerance on a group level

@stevenjm12

2 ай бұрын

Florentine has been on LOS

@EricBarryComedy1

2 ай бұрын

If you listen to the episode, they all share the same manager and the manager presented it as all or none. They imply it was really just one comic who was the issue, which has to be Luis

Watching Noam be completely baffled by these two is priceless

These guys should start a “feelings” club, not a comedy club…a place where you can come and make sure your feelings are never hurt or offended…Your slogan could be “a safe space for comedy”

@st4rbuxx

24 күн бұрын

Their slogan *is* "a safe space for comedy" -- they literally used those words it the video. I get that that isn't your idea of what a comedy club is, but if we're policing what people can and can't call a club based on your opinion of what is "pure comedy" aren't you censoring them in the exact same way they 'censored' these comics?

I live in Seattle after living in NYC and LA. When i tell outsiders how stupid people are in Seattle, they think i'm exaggerating. From now on, this is the video I will send them. These people ARE 100% Seattle. Don't let anyone tell you different. I've been here 7 years, and trying to have a conversation with anyone out here is a complete waste of time. No principles. No thinking.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

Exact same experience. Double standards galore with the folks out here. 10 years. I love Washington, but the people I like are usually transplants

@manupas9049

2 ай бұрын

Best got you moment at 56:46 kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpt5uKyzebnWY9Y.html:40

Ok these people shouldn’t run a comedy club. Maybe a spoken word club.

@Smokey_A

3 ай бұрын

Serious question: Do you expect them to be running a club for long?

@edoblaauw4561

3 ай бұрын

@@Smokey_A no. From their point of view they only want comedy that doesn’t offend liberals/progressives. The biggest mistake was not googling them before they booked them. But after that they should say sorry we booked them, we aren’t canceling them. I think Jimmy Dore is a borderline retarded conspiracy theorist and Dave Smith’s act is more a rally with people agreeing that politics is stupid without jokes, (Gomez actually makes jokes, and that’s why I like his act) but I think they are aloud to say these things. I would certainly book them if iI had a comedy club. But I can respect people not booking certain people because of their beliefs. Same with a conservative comedy club. It’s not a club I think is very fun but ok. But when you book them it’s done. You shouldn’t backtrack. That’s my opinion. And the way these two, especially the man can’t laugh about the incident, seems very dogmatic to me. And when you read this is the most offensive podcast in the world, and you think that’s very worrying, I would say you take things to serious for a comedy club.

@edoblaauw4561

3 ай бұрын

@@Smokey_A no, not really. I think they got in the wrong field.

@Genious.

2 ай бұрын

The kind of place where people snap their fingers in lieu of laughing or applause.

@stevenjm12

2 ай бұрын

​@@Smokey_Aclearly no. It's a tough industry and they are incompetent

This is why Seattle itself is a joke. Funny that Skanks would even try to book a show there.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

I feel ur point. Another perspective, whether they are loved or hated it will still increase their reach. If they excelled everybody would have been talking about the show, they didn't even perform because of how they were anticipated to suck so bad, and still everyone is talking about it, even more so. It's like that old quote, "even bad publicity is good publicity. " don't run with that idea though because not everything needs to be done

Reap what you sow, Comedy Bar. When you go out of business, don't blame anyone but yourselves.

The most anti comedy club in existence.

The couple talks about the COMMUNITY they love, but they also know that the same community will eat them alive if they say the wrong thing or book the wrong people. Real loving and inclusive community.

This is how hate looks, this is how hate talks. Amazing how hate always finds a way to justify hate.

Mark Normand mentioned this on We Might Be Drunk. Very insightful interview.

@philipandrews8491

2 ай бұрын

Yes he did. They were correct in how they referred too it as well.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

Bonfire did too on the Jim & Sam episode. Luis on LOS/RAP. That's what.... 15 National comics that have heard of or mentioned it on podcasts & said they wouldn't perform there? Good look, Seattle.

@streetsurgery

2 ай бұрын

​@@dilloncostilla3412i love seeing all the comments like one club in a neighborhood is "Seattle". It's one small business. It'll either survive or not.

This is an amazing discussion. I had no idea that the Comedy Cellar people were such thoughtful / forceful advocates for free speech. Bravo. And even though I am sensitive to the needs of the business owners not to be responsive to their (highly intolerant) target community, they tip their hand around the 32:00 mark -- they're obviously very *personally offended* that the comics they've disinvited say things that make them feel bad. Nobody who censors speech starts from the premise that they're doing the wrong thing. It's ALWAYS done from a position of virtue -- "we have to stop the evil people from talking". Always.

The new club owner telling the experienced successful club owner “I respectfully disagree”

lol the male guest hates how honest the woman guest is

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

I felt like he was upset that she was playing the naive card. She acts like super naive but it looks like he anticipated her to be MORE honest and I sensed he was upset that by her claiming naivety it imposes more responsibility on him, and also puts him in a weird spot where he has to lie or bust her, both of which will be bad for business

The hypocrisy was palpable 😂

She says she doesn't want to censor people while censoring people bwahahahahahaha.

@brianwoods9526

3 ай бұрын

This interview exposes the hypocrisy of woke idiots that can’t even grasp their own ideology

@shraniken

3 ай бұрын

Hmm, censoring would be inviting them to the club but restricting what they could talk about.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

@@shraniken in other words, you can't come to our club because we don't want to hear anything you talk about

@ronRon-fl1qw

2 ай бұрын

Found a special… not letting them talk in the first place is censorship you simpleton

@shraniken

2 ай бұрын

@@ronRon-fl1qw No.

I live about an hour north of Seattle and was really looking forward to a club I could get to that wasn't as far as Tacoma. That would be an additional hour or more depending on traffic. My point being that Seattle in general has an almost non existent comedy scene with diverse perspectives that is reasonably accessible to the fans in surrounding areas. They will inevitably run out of customers as the acts they book become more and more stale. You have to be able to book headliners that are interesting to other people than just the ones in your own neighborhood. Just something to consider, I attended a Kill Tony show at Chop Suey a few years back in Capitol Hill. Two shows and no lack of attendees. I think this just boils down to a couple of ignorant cowards that have no business being in what they are calling comedy.

@JackSlatteryComedy

3 ай бұрын

Come check out a show at Club Comedy!

@Herbiebz113

2 ай бұрын

It was distasteful for them to assume that the only people who would be interested in that in the seattle area would have to come from as far as Spokane.

@MrJgomez206

2 ай бұрын

Come out Sunday March 17th to club comedy Seattle, And have a laugh at me

@bradleymoye6352

2 ай бұрын

​@@Herbiebz113Great point, and not to mention that they seem to assume anyone coming from outside their bubble would be bad for the Capital Hill community. Talk about bigotry.

I don't think these people understand comedy. They should transition to a poetry reading, safe space club. On the Jimmy Dore show, Kurt said we need to ridicule this woke stuff until it stops. That's the point he was making.

“I’ve heard of this….Legion. Rumor has it theyve been using the reefer” 😮

Are the “young comics” in the room with us right now?

"I'm a new booker, I don't know what the hell I'm doing" 🤯

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

I think she is using that as a cop out. She may be new to the booking position, but that doesn't mean she's not a 35 year old woman with plenty of social experience and knowledge of the comedy scene and connections enough to attempt to start a business. It doesn't make sense what she's saying when compared to their behavior, it's contradictory

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

I applied there when they first opened & they sent me an email back saying "We already have the best booker in the city!" 🤡

Holy crap I had no idea how intelligent and articulate Noam Dworman was. What a sincere, thoughtful dude.

@clivemathieu9386

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, smart man

@SuperKripke

27 күн бұрын

He defends genocide and the lebensraum ideology of Zionism but apart from that seems like a nice guy.

Chaz was blown outta proportion? Weren’t multiple people murdered within those 2 blocks in like a week or 2?

@dummyaccount5513

3 ай бұрын

Those homicides were blown out of proportion.

@OnaOmaOla

2 ай бұрын

Exactly. That's when I knew everything else coming out of there mouth might have a disingenuous spin. I have no sympathy for these people. Their spines are jelly.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

@@OnaOmaOla Makes me wonder how long they've even lived in the city

Noam, keep being yourself, you are awesome!

Guess Im a fan of Noam now…

As someone who's lived in Washington for 10 years now, & have worked in Capitol Hill (CH) for over 5 years, I had a lot to say about this when it first happened. I'm glad this interview came out cause it shows the glaring double-standards that Seattle folk live by. Back in the day, that space used to be called the Highline Bar. It was a Metal bar that had live shows & a vegan kitchen (Hail seitan!). I used to hang out there all the time before Covid & the wave of venue closures. I saw my first Washington show there when I moved here & was blown away that there was a venue that played grindcore & crust-punk shows in the heart of the gay district! I was from NV/AZ so I was getting a bit of culture shock. It was so cool to park your car & cross rainbow-painted crosswalks to a building with a bunch of punks in patched up leather jackets & spikes & wild hair. Go outside to smoke a joint between bands & see all the drag performers leaving the venue across the street.... I thought "This is the best city in the state" everyone is welcome! When I heard it reopened as a comedy club last year I was ecstatic! A new room for comedy, but one that I'm very familiar with. I even reached out to them about a booking/promoting position & was told "We already have the best booker in town!" which now we all know is not true, it's just the owner who admitted in this interview she has no idea what she's doing... I wonder how long Ms. Appalachia has lived here & spoken on behalf of the city of Capitol Hill..? History aside, about this interview... She was RIGHT to feel how she did when she booked this group! She just got 4 national acts in a small local club & it was definitely going to sell out! She SHOULD feel like a superstar or rockstar or whatever she said. That was a great job as a booker! But to crumble under the pressure of "local advocates" who, as Noam stated, would ruin your business if they didn't think you were an ally, is the wrong move. Who are these "local advocates" who went unnamed in the email & this interview? This shadow government of business bullies? And where are they when a problematic rapper plays Neumos? IDontKnowJeffrey has played there twice since I've worked there & he has entire songs about rape. Ironically, Luis J Gomez samples his song on a soundboard on his show, RAP! I also wonder if any of these "local advocates" are regulars at the comedy club. Would they have actually lost business or is this just people who went to one show once & think they own the place now? Or just live near there? CH likes to act super progressive but people still ignore the homeless & clutch their pearls towards folks with darker complexion. I noticed it was two white folks who came to speak for everyone who was offended.. And as Noam also pointed out, if you shine a light on their club you can probably find someone on the roster saying something racist or antisemitic online or on stage. But that's ok. There ARE things you can make fun of, PEOPLE you can make fun of. But they'll cancel 4 comedians because of the very fact that they have said offensive things online & MIGHT say it on stage. Double standard. How's about when the white dude said the F-word? "well this is a conversation, I'm explaining..." Or the woman saying "IF I book someone with an offensive joke, it had BETTER be funny" pretty much goes against the whole "ethos" of the letter they sent. The fact that they booked 4 comics because they saw clips of one of them on "Chelsea Lately" is unreal. This is "The best booker in town!" according to them. They're more like the people who would come on Eric Andre Show & have no idea what's about to happen. Do some research, you run a business! The grossest thing is they come on this show like "We didn't cancel anyone, stop attacking us!" & you can go on their website & they're selling "Cancel/Bar" merchandise. They think they can swing this into a positive/profitable thing by leaning into it, which shows they've learned nothing. And that's the biggest problem with this city. The arrogance mixed with ignorance, these folks know nothing about the business & reject any advice you gave them! THE LEGENDARY COMEDY CELLAR! The booker at that club might know at thing or two, wouldn't you think? They said they wouldn't have allowed Richard Pryor to perform at their club! It's like they're TRYING to have the reputation of LOL Comedy Club, who famously turned down Bill Burr from performing because they didn't know who he was despite selling out Madison Square Garden. A club that was known for ripping everyone off. A club run by people who didn't know comedy & is now closed, by the way. The owners need to ask themselves: Are we a COMEDY CLUB that provides laughter to crowds, or are we a SAFE SPACE with an agenda? Comedy is about being funny first, which is why people like Nate Bargatze, Michael Che & Sal Vulcano hang out with the Legion Of Skanks. Funny people like them because they know it's a joke on a stage & not a speech at a rally. Why align yourself with people who destroy you any chance they get? If you do something they don't like they will abandon you? Who needs that? There are plenty of people who would support you, they're called comedy fans. Lots of people were excited for a new club in Seattle, & those people who would have "driven out from Tacoma for one show" that you shit on, those paying customers would come back if you booked GOOD SHOWS consistently. I've been looking at the calendar for almost a year waiting for a comedian I knew to hit the calendar & now that a half dozen did, you cancel a bunch of them! "If you book it, they will come (hee hee hee hee ha ha ha)". You can still be in the heart of the Gay district, you can still have you LGBTQ focused shows, but you can also be a successful comedy club that books TOURING COMEDIANS, like a comedy club is supposed to. Otherwise it's just the "Capitol Hill Echo Chamber Comedy Club" Unfortunately, my friends & I won't be supporting this club as long as they're anti-comedy. Sorry Cuomo & Pepitone!

I bought tickets to see Dave. I would have loved to go see him at the Cap Hill location, it would be easy for me to get to. It's not fair to ME that they closed their doors to some of my favorite comedians.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

Fr. What they're doing causes the comedians to ask themselves if they're jokes are acceptable, and also forces us to consider the perspective of their fans and whether their taste in humor is "acceptable." It's a big deal

@guyduncan00

2 ай бұрын

Entitled lil boi

@jimmybonez8928

2 ай бұрын

@@Mrjoshnavarrosays who????? Who gives a shit what anyone thinks!!!! Freedom of speech shouldn’t be safeguarded!!!! It belongs to everyone to express their constitutional right to say whatever they want!!

I am a huge comedy fan and born and raised in this neighborhood and had never heard of this place. Granted it’s new but this business WILL fail. The handful of “marginalized” comics in the neighborhood can’t support this place. Comedy fans without an agenda outnumber these people and we won’t go to this club. The owners are the ones that make that space uncomfortable.

@eemoogee160

Ай бұрын

I've seen plenty of hilarious comedy by gay, trans, and liberal comics. But if the vibe is preachy and uptight that's no fun.

Is she lying about not knowing who the Legion of Skanks were? She owns a comedy club and has never heard of a podcast group who has also successfully held several comedy festivals under the same banner. She's never heard of them?

@R9BC9NR9Y

3 ай бұрын

She's only been doing comedy about 2 years. And she is NOT a comic imo

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

IMO it seems like she's playing coy, and it seems like both her and the man had discussed their "story" before going into the interview. Additionally, there are several times she will say something that conveys how inexperienced and how she "didn't know" things, but the man looks at her with disbelief, and also looks at the reporters like, "Are you hearing what she's saying?"

@Genious.

2 ай бұрын

You're right. I see a few moments where they have that 'we didn't prepare a contrived off-the-cuff answer to that question' look.@@Mrjoshnavarro

They are young comedians, they are old as fuck.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

I don't know any of these people, but I'm here from the "We Might Be Drunk" podcast episode with Brian Simpson & Joe List. I'm 1 minute in & so far I'm annoyed Edit: Definitely worth watching. This was amazing dialogue from 2 different beliefs & funny as well. Watch it in its entirety

@andrewmagpie6901

2 ай бұрын

The trouble I'm having is I'm starting to really actually agree with the bald bearded guy because he seems to be focusing more on the fact that this was a business decision, and he thought that having those comedians would harm his business long-term, which is a totally legitimate argument and kind of makes me reconsider all of this

@Flipper35

2 ай бұрын

@@andrewmagpie6901 Yeah. It was so similar to the Gay Wedding Cake debacle from 2012 in Colorado. On one hand it seems discriminative like the baker doesn't want to make their wedding cake because he doesn't like gay people. On the other hand, the baker is religious & doesn't agree with their decision & if the friends & family of the baker find out they made a "gay cake" they could be judged for that and potentially take a chance of ruining their business at their bakery. I see both sides to it, but one thing I will say is Kurt Metzger posting their email without blocking out their info wasn't a good move

@ronRon-fl1qw

2 ай бұрын

He is totally within his right to run his business into the ground, taking advice from people who wouldn’t frequent his business in the first place. He is an entire fool, but it’s his right to be stupid. Turn away paying customers, because no paying fools on the internet say so. Good job.

@Flipper35

2 ай бұрын

@@ronRon-fl1qw Did you watch the whole video? She said they cancelled their shows because their friends, family, & community didn't agree with the views/opinions/brands of Luis J Gomez, Dave Smith, Kurt Metzger, & Jim Florentine.

@st4rbuxx

24 күн бұрын

@@Flipper35 it would have been really interesting if Dave had used this as an example, and asked it they thought the baker should have been forced to decorate the cake. and then asked if that same principle should apply to their club.

Nonsense!!! No comedian is responsible for their audience.

‘I’m also trying to be a comic’ LOL

is this a sketch?

@peterpettis

2 ай бұрын

I thought the guy with the beard was Louis C.K. for a minute. 😂

These people are completely delusional.

These two just seem like the last people who should ever own a comedy club.

Great job Noam!

I wish these "comedians" luck in their careers, they're going to need it.

I listen to Skanks every week, but any person is allowed to think they suck.

@aidanmagill6769

3 ай бұрын

They kinda do but still..

A comedy booker who has never heard of the Legion of Skanks. 'Nuff said.

I hate vocal fry.

Seattle... I could tell you why without watching this.

The co-owner with the beard has consumed waaaaay too much soy.

@st4rbuxx

24 күн бұрын

but also he looks like Tom Segura's older brother

The dude with the glasses doesn’t get comedy. The Legion of Skanks talking about the world’s most offensive podcast is a joke they do say like crazy stuff but it’s not all they are. This guy doesn’t understand comedy. Why is he in this business?

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

I think a major problem in the NW comedy scene right now, is people e pect what you say to be TRUE TO LIFE, and if it is similar to their life in a way that makes them uncomfortable, because they perceive every joke you say as a true to life experience, they assume you must hate them or feel exactly the way your JOKE expresses. People forgot that jokes aren't always true, dude, joking itself is rooted in creativity and the rejection of reality. But people in Portland and it looks like Seattle are insisting that how you present must be how you are with no exceptions and there is nothing more than meets the eye.

The club has still not said a word to those of us that had already bought tickets. It is their right to cancel, but they handled it like cowards

@R9BC9NR9Y

3 ай бұрын

Did they not refund yet?

@jonasty7418

3 ай бұрын

@@R9BC9NR9Y that does sound confusing. A full refund has been issued, but no email or other notice than finding out from social media. Still getting spam emails for other shows.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

They say one comedian already sold 17 ticketsin two weeks with no club advertisement. If all 4 sold 17 tickets, that's 68/175 seats already filled before the local community goes

@jimmybonez8928

2 ай бұрын

@@Mrjoshnavarro????????

shuttering their doors in the coming months will be the funniest moment in the club's history

"Safe Space Comedy" sounds so bad. 😆That next line was pure BS too though. "A market not to feel bad about this, this and that" Yeah. I'm sure they're upholding that for these activists' most reviled demographics. The club just sounds like a big stupid bubble of unfunny.

"The Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint."

“Ooooooo myyyyy gooooood” this woman is sooooo annoying

Said a version of this on Twitter, but: I really enjoyed this conversation. Although I'm more or less on Noam's side of the overall topic, I think Anderson and Hesseldahl came off as reasonable and down-to-earth people. I left the convo thinking their decision made more sense than I had just based on the news headlines. Hopefully this video reduces the hate for them.

@desi4227

3 ай бұрын

Or, you are a comedy club or you aren’t.

@williamchristie9129

3 ай бұрын

Theyre not a comedy club anymore, their intention is to milk the neighborhood for money as a safe space for attention seeking narcissists

@jimmybonez8928

2 ай бұрын

Probably not gonna be the case in most instances.

@st4rbuxx

24 күн бұрын

@@desi4227 thanks, word police

I'm so glad you're having these open forums to hash out these complicated issues. I saw the one you did with Finkelstein and Eli Lake, too. Central to the Civil Rights Issue was the rights of business owners to serve and hire who they wanted vs. breaking the status quo in the South of having separate businesses for minorities. Die hard libertarians often sided with the businesses making the argument that they were hurting themselves by denying the revenue and good will by serving those communities. Goldwater was one who could not support the bill on these grounds as a Senator although personally he was very anti segregationist and pro civil rights. He was unfairly branded a racist and it cost him politically.

“Comedy” club

If your "standards" are so important to your club and community,, why didn't you vett these comics before booking them. Don't say u didn't know what you were doing, you've only been doing this job for a year. one year should be plenty to figure it out.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

They really don't know what they're doing. I applied when they opened to be a booker or promoter & they told me "We already have the best booker in the city!" I actually got a couple of comedians booked there despite that, & now I'm not going to those shows lol fuck Comedy/Bar.

First comedy cellar pod I've seen where I agree with Noam

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

You can tell that he feels strongly about this and has thought about it a lot. I am super grateful that this podcast was created

You guys are done

Would they book one of the first, very successful, openly Gay comedians on TV, Kids in the Hall's Scott Thompson, or ban him, because his Buddy Cole character is criticized as a stereotype that "no longer accurately reflects the Gay Community," despite being hilarious and ground breaking? Would they have let the late Trans Comedian Daphne Dorman perform at their club, or refused to book her, because she had publicly supported Dave Chappelle?

@endtimessupportgroup5685

2 ай бұрын

I think anyone whos associated with Chappelle is going to get booked a lot easier than anyone who is left wing or openly gay.

@stevelang6990

2 ай бұрын

@@endtimessupportgroup5685 According to her sisters, Daphne Dorman was treated very poorly by people she had thought were her community, because of her association and defence of Dave Chappelle. Scott Thompson isn't associated with him, but is comedy royalty and a legend. He has said he felt very let down by the negative feed back he gets from people who say they represent "The Gay Community." I am not disagreeing with you so much, necessarily, but rather, clarifying my original post. I think because of the incredible work done and risks taken by openly gay, left wing comedian, Scott Thompson, it is much easier to get booked today as an openly gay, left wing comedian, than it was 35 years ago, when Thompson came to fame with 'Kids in the Hall.' Its a shame that he perceives that some of the people he opened doors for, now look down their noses at him as irrelevant to "The Gay Community," at best, and even go so far as to claim that he is damaging to it.

The Seattle club is mostly right. I lived in Seattle for 10 years and did open mics in Capitol Hill and the community there would totally revolt against this place if they booked acts that diverted from their ideology. Their goal is to have a lame comedy club for the crybabies in the neighborhood. That's it. This is why the Seattle comedy scene will never get serious national recognition.

Woke is to comedy as a fish is to a bicycle.

Safespace! That runs contrary to what comedy clubs are all about. Comedians are given cart blanch to present their art and observations. The audience decide whether they are funny or not. I have frequented comedy clubs in the 70s, before cable TV and computers, just to hear funny outrageousness.

Holy fuck their club is going to be an absolute catastrophe

Note to self. Never go to Seattle

Their explanation for why this isn't censorship ("wanting a book banned vs. not wanting a book in your home") isn't totally fitting for the situation. What they did was more like "not wanting a book in your home out of worry for what the neighbors would think of you if they knew you had it on your shelf" -- which arguably is a type of censorship

@andreaentz

2 ай бұрын

Business owners have a right to not hire folks based on misaligned values. People have really lost the plot with censorship and “freedom of speech.” That’s a right we have against the government, NOT private businesses.

@ashley2205

2 ай бұрын

I was addressing free speech as a principle, not the specifics of the 1st amendment@@andreaentz

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

@@andreaentz These are the same people who would have DEMANDED that bakery make the wedding cake for that gay couple. They live in a world of cognitive dissonance, & it is hard to navigate as a local.

@Johns_Camel_Toe

2 ай бұрын

​@@andreaentz Bake the cake you BIGOT!!!!

@jimmybonez8928

2 ай бұрын

@@andreaentzjust because they technically have the right to not book anyone, doesn’t mean they’re morally in the right. They’re just as bad as Republicans banning books because it misaligns with THEIR VALUES!!!

I think having the Skanks perform there would be one of the most uniting moves you could do

I wonder if they would book Dave Chapelle? Huge comic hated by those types of people. I'm pretty sure they closed the door to any good larger comics ever showing interest in their club. So in that way, it's a bad business model

@Schimshamity

3 ай бұрын

They’re def not booking Chappelle. His shit has been boring for like 20 years but he’s ChApPeLlE.

@ban80

3 ай бұрын

​@Schimshamity his comedy has become problematic

@daviddorsey3321

3 ай бұрын

I guess it's like a PG13 comedy club. Good for prom nights and church outings. They're the chuck e cheese of comedy! Sounds terrible!

@ban80

3 ай бұрын

@daviddorsey3321 probably had the same amount of child molesters as your average chuck e cheese.

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

As a comic banned from several mics in Portland for similar reasons, I can tell you certainly, none of the greats would be tolerated for one minute at any of the open mics in town. Pryor, Norm Macdonald, Carlin, Bill Burr, Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, all would be banned. Imagine where we would be if we didn't have those guys

Although I completely disagree with them- but kind of understand where they are coming from- I totally respect them for coming for this discussion. Its a fact that they thing this way, and others to do too. This conversation, needs to continue.

@thadplunger832

Ай бұрын

Yeah, honestly for as much as I was primed to hate both of them, when the guy basically said "look this is a business decision" I can kinda get it. They probably are in no position to be owning a business though. It's kind of true in the sense of, look, if there are going to be sensitive people who want "safe" comedy, who really gives a shit if you open a business to cater to them? They're a market.

Early on interview, I talk to the investors and they had issues with the comedians. This is about money , these club owners are spineless piles of shiit. We in a " progressive " neighborhood. This is fascism not progression.

Katie Boyle goes on Luis' show RAP often

Respectfully, these two were contradicting themselves the whole interview

I've got an 80 year old parent so far on the left that I don't think you go any left-er! His favorite comedian: Richard Pryor

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

He must be alright then

Good luck comedy club owners / “young comedians” disabling yourself and staying completely localized and never expanding in a tyrannical community being controlled and inevitably discarded when you say a wrong word.

Those voicemails sound completely manufactured

Ok so her voice sounds exactly like you imagine it would.

@Trihard_7

3 ай бұрын

And her nose is very revealing too ✡️

I just moved from Seattle. It's so nice to be away from these types of personalities. The hypocrisy, just insufferable.

This Seattle dude is definitely a Cho-mo

@travismcnasty4239

3 ай бұрын

You should ask him directly. For some reason they can't ever lie about it.

@Johns_Camel_Toe

2 ай бұрын

He's a MAP and he will tell you how there's nothing wrong with that and call you a bigot for thinking he shouldn't be allowed with children. These people will actually justify and brag about this stuff. Because 100% of the flag people are and they want it normalized.

…’I’m not saying free speech is bad just that everyone getting to have it is bad…’🤔🙄🤪

Which goes out of business first, Seattle or Comedy Bar? I would love to see Comedy Bar stay open -- that would mean anyone can run a business and make money! I have trouble believing these two are professional comedians. Open mic'ers in Seattle, maybe. No way an comedian with any experience would book a club with this strategy

11:13 I love how Noam was confused about the "F-word."

Comedians don’t know about LOS? Not a comedian

I feel bad for these guys, they got really bad advice

I came away from this far more sympathetic to Jes and Dane than I expected. I understand and almost totally agree with Noam's perspective, but the Comedy Bar really isn't operating in the same industry or sphere as all the other comedy clubs in the world. They have a unique mission -- it's not a my mission and it's not Noam's mission -- and their priority is "progressive inclusiveness" over what Noam would consider "top-tier comedy". They did what they felt was right for their club's patrons, the people who support the club the other 360 days/year. They're the owners, that's their call; Noam said that too. And they tried to handle it professionally and quietly. Publicly broadcasting the private emails and calling on the LOS fans to take them down -- now that's a bad look

@51:00 that is the argument : they were spineless to use the "community" as an excuse. If they have bias, they should be frank about it, and stop the woke "safe space" bitching.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

It's always a facade

I'm sympathetic the to the Seattle comedy club owners even though I agree with Noam regarding freedom of speech. It must suck starting a business in Seattle.

5:57. Lol you're like 50 years old wtf are you talking about 😂😂😂😂😂

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

You must be talking about the "young comedians" thing haha

"Did my research." Her research was looking at quote mined excerpts sent to her by the professionally outraged.

What kind of 🐕🧠 just books comedians without doing any research? Also isnt a safe space for comedy somewhere that allows all comedy and not just what the owner deems appropriate? Close this club down asap

safe space comedy...........now that is funny I made it to about minute 10. Tedious people with petty minds

@Mrjoshnavarro

2 ай бұрын

The first 10-12 minutes was like direct hit after direct hit of good ideas

The problem is they want a gay bar that also has comedy. Not a comedy club. And they're right that these booning would have hurt the business of their gay bar. They would definitely be labled "anti-gay". But they're just completely hamstringing thwir ability to be a legitimate club. Which sucks for those of us here that actually like comedy. Glad Potter's show wasnt booked here.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

I helped get Cuomo booked there & now I regret it 😅

I would have bought tickets to see Dave and Kurt. 😢

Is "Dane Hesseldahl" a bit that Louis C.K. is doing?

Wait, Kurt Metzger used to work with Chelsea Lately?

I want to see Florintine on Dan Abrams Show.

@mannyshouse3708

3 ай бұрын

It's on KZread

Libertarian and skanks fan here. They did nothing wrong. They created a business that caters to a specific group of woke individuals, and are betting their own money on this core demographic keeping their business alive. They have reasonable concerns that bringing in content that offends this demographic may tank their small business. I could not be more different from these two politically, socially, and morally, but what we seem to have in common is a belief in property rights, and freedom of association. ... at least, they may believe in those things for their own business.

@hpmoon

3 ай бұрын

Problem is, you didn't get the whole truth. Noam posted this after the interview: kzread.info56A6tTT9Uhw. You can see that she has a history of activist campaigns to affirmatively destroy careers - urging everyone else in her field of business to not book specific comics.

@dilloncostilla3412

2 ай бұрын

@@hpmoon Proceeded to say the R word? Which core value was it?

@Johns_Camel_Toe

2 ай бұрын

Until they want a cake for their wedding and want to turn into into an activist stunt. Then sue you for refusal of business. Because only their right to freedom of association matters when they can discriminate against people they don't like. They are not like you and do not believe what you believe. They are snakes in the grass. And people should use their first amendment right to bash and harass them and freely disassociate from their business.

Find a new profession....i love Dave Smith.

Jes with 1 s come on 😅!

One thing these people are right about is that their “base” would boycott the shit outta them.