Robert Wright is often very fairminded and empathetic. Always enjoy listening to him.

Great conversation. I love Robert Wright and funnily enough, as an Israeli yoga and meditation teacher, his book “why Buddhism is true” is one of the books I quote from the most, especially during these crazy times of war and turmoil. I find it helps the average person resonate with Buddhist values through a more scientific or factual lense. Anyway was super fun listening to this - I think you were both able to open each others minds a bit which is remarkable and definitely not something that you see online too often. Looking forward to many more!

I like you to ask these questions from your guests if you can. Why do Israeli soldiers keep posting videos on tik tok of blowing up so many infrastucture like apartment buildings and even the last university in Gaza even when there is no Hamas presence and IDF has complete control over it? Is there an ulterior motive? Does Israel have the right to keep taking Palestinians hostags in the west bank without proper charge and indefinite detention as a "bargaining chip" as opposed to Hamas taking Israelis hostages? Mainly because this is said to be the main reason why Hamas stormed into Israel to take hostages to swap with Israeli government.

Noam, since you've done so much research and have talked to so many people who were there, can you or any of them describe specifically what the Israeli offer was in Camp David? Is there a map? What about water rights, airspace, borders, security, East Jerusalem? Did Israel offer reparations to refugees that can't be settled back?

Excellent guest choice!

I find this man interesting and intolerable. He invites people who are more educated on the subject and he always worms out of serious flaws in his arguments. He needs to invite Bassem Youssef or Meirshiemer with his WRY smile.

Great podcast learned a lot

Noam, please interview Robert Barnes.

Great podcast but there’s been a problem with audio for the last couple episodes. You can here an echo and it makes it hard to listen.

@comedycellarclips

5 ай бұрын

Shit. I'm going to fix it now.

@comedycellarclips

5 ай бұрын

Try this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGdrwdupZLWZhZc.html It's a headphone leak and because my ears suck, I didn't pick up on it.

@EytanKoch

5 ай бұрын

@@comedycellarclips It really wasn't that bad. Just a tad annoying. Sound guy should have caught it, though.

Well done, Noam. I do wish your questions were shorter, but you bring on people with diverse opinions. One stat I’d be interested in seeing but I’m sure it doesn’t exist is, of the 25,000 Gazans who have perished, how many died because they were human shields? I do agree that whatever your views on Israel, Hamas is committing genocide against Palestinians. Their views on martyrdom and human shields prove intent.

@user-ot8ex7eo2p

5 ай бұрын

That means that Israel committed genocide on israelis on Oct 7th.

@EytanKoch

5 ай бұрын

@@user-ot8ex7eo2pum, right. you just gonna say that with no explanation, no evidence, no nothing?

@samow7

5 ай бұрын

Just read South Africas 84-page submission at the International Court of Justice. Michael Shaw KC, Israelis lead defense council, made the same argument as you did and did not address South Africas claims. Hamas is guilty of being in the most densely populated area in the middle east and as such the accusation of human shield would necessarily follow. But to say that A is committing genocide (lets just accept that for the sake of argument), it does not mean B can do the same. Hammas committing genocide does not mean Israel, a state with nuclear weapons and prosition weapons which they demonstrated in Lebanon when they killed Hammas leaders, can commit genocide.@@EytanKoch

@EytanKoch

5 ай бұрын

@@samow7 Please do not put words in my mouth. I allowed for the argument that Israel is committing genocide when I prefaced my comment with "Whatever your views on Israel...." Nonetheless, no one is taking Hamas to international court, are they? Why not? You just agreed they use human shields, which is a violation of international law. Moreover, even if Israel IS committing genocide, South Africa’s case against Israel is a hypocrisy of enormous proportions. Soundbyte: South Africa could have arrested a guy called the Butcher of Darfur who the International Criminal Court indicted in 2009 for committing a genocide 20 times bigger than the one Israel is accused of committing. South Africa simply refused. Details: In 2009, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued a warrant for the ex-Sudanese leader Omar al-Bashir, also called the Butcher of Darfur, on charges of genocide, war crimes, and crimes against humanity for his involvement the long-running conflict in Darfur, where the United Nations estimates 300,000 people had been killed and more than two million had been displaced. Well, in June 2015, the Butcher was physically in South Africa, and South Africa refused to arrest him. In fact, Cuno Tarfusser, one of the ICC judges said this: “By not arresting Omar al-Bashir while he was on its territory between 13 and 15 June, 2015, South Africa failed to comply with the court’s request for the arrest and surrender of Omar al-Bashir, contrary to the provisions of the statute, thereby preventing the court from exercising its functions and powers under the statute in connection with the criminal proceedings instituted against Omar al-Bashir.” Israel has not touched a hair on the head of a single South African. So why does South Africa care about an alleged genocide where 21,000 died, perpetrated by Jews, but not an actual one, perpetrated by an Arab, where 300,000 died? I’m not trying to say South Africa is anti-semitic, but….

@user-ot8ex7eo2p

5 ай бұрын

Just like you, no explanation, no evidence, no nothing?

mearsheimer saying stuff like that with a wry smile has become a regular thing

I do enjoy these conversations but I do wish there was a bit less monologuing and I was able to hear Roberts POV

another fantastic interview/ discussion - thanks Noam you rock

A real giant of podcasting, in retrospect.

Why do you get to control anything in their land!

Bob is the best...but he forgot about Operation Just Cause under HW Bush, one of America's more horrific foreign interventions.

Keep up the good work Noam! Don't listen to the haters.

Let the guest talk, for God's sake. If you want to have a debate, do it for a longer time, rather than whatever this is.

@squatch545

5 ай бұрын

He never does.

@hg_rebase

5 ай бұрын

Y'all are idiots. They're having conversation essentially here. 40 mins in and maybe 1 semi interruption lol. Stop hate watching the videos - no one has a gun to your head.

@brandonmec32

5 ай бұрын

Watch Noam squirm whenever the guests are talking… he cannot handle hearing information that conflicts with his narrative

@hg_rebase

5 ай бұрын

@@brandonmec32 - yes he's Jewish and has (had?) family in Israel, so it's personal to him. Are you surprised by that somehow?

@norga2063

5 ай бұрын

@@hg_rebasethen y bring guests if you wanna do all the talking?? He is way too biased anyways

I think it would be better to ask, “Would you agree…” rather than “Would you agree with me…” The latter makes it personal. You definitely have a tell when you’re bothered that someone doesn’t agree with you, which is to squirm in your seat. You often explain Israel’s arguably over-zealous response to 10/07 as partially due to anger and vengeance. I don’t think enough attention is paid to the compounding effect of continuous shelling by Hamas. Israeli citizens have their own bomb shelters and have essentially turned the other cheek for years. It’s enough. I think that sentiment more than any existential threat is motivating Israel. You know what it’s like when your brother antagonizes you for the 100th time and you finally turn around and clock him. Finally, you are correct that religious fanaticism is a major impediment to peace, that Islamists are unmotivated by economics. However, their leaders ARE motivated by economics, hence the normalization of relations with other Arab states.

It’s hard to see how people can fear trump so much, given the alternative. It can’t be worse than ww3.

One has to be incredibly biased to think that the missile crisis or the threat Ukraine was to Russia is remotely comparable to the threat of Hamas, let alone a lesser existential threat.

@norga2063

5 ай бұрын

Indeed! They want us to believe that Israel the 4th largest army in the world with nukes in tow facing an existential threat by a group armed with rpg amd kallashnikovs!!🙄🙄But thats why they use these fear mongering techniques to shock the west, and bring back their historical plight. And obviously Israel just like Ukraine are protecting us.. were soo blessed in the west!!🙄

I wonder if Noam will ever understand that the two governments he repeats information for are the governments making him less safe in the world… it’s a cute journey he is on, but I can no longer watch… listening to Noam’s ignorance is just getting old… the information is out there bud, you just gotta absorb it

@AndyColglazier

5 ай бұрын

I think some people become too focused on the US and Israel as problems in the world, and ignore malevolent groups such as Hamas, the Houthis, and even the government of Iran as truly negative entities in our world. Countries like the United States and Israel do the best they can to maintain their souls in the face of threats from such entities, but it's a very difficult struggle.

@ever010

5 ай бұрын

​@@AndyColglazierhasn't it ever crossed your mind what caused the existence of those entities like Hamas n Houtis? n to even compare the US n Israel to those GROUPS is obviously funny..

18:08 This counterfactual aged like milk after the IDF just firebombed a refugee camp in Rafah.

Wright agrees with Mearsheimer's concept of "realism" regarding Ukraine. So if a large country attacks a smaller neighbor, no one should help the smaller country defend itself? Boo. Wright can call that "realism". I call it "immorality".

Reckless?!? What wars was Trump associated with vs the current or previous few occupants? I'll wait...

What kind of ridiculous defense is "..but what about America..they're bad right?" That is irrelevant, do you not care what is actually happening? Or only what people think about it, in terms of other terrible wars?! Shame on you .

A major problem that Israel has had when dealing with the Palestinians is that the Palestinians have a very poor track record of coherence in their wants and desires. Israel can negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, or they can negotiate with Hamas, but who speaks for all of the Palestinian people? When has there ever been a time when the Palestinians were so united that you could go to one individual and understand that that person represented their desires? And this is a major reason why the Palestinians should not have their own state. They have not got the national direction and coherence that is necessary for such a thing to happen.

@norga2063

5 ай бұрын

Oh really?? Not sure if youre that misinformed or just plainly ignorant.. did you miss Bibi saying that he was proud to have stopped creation of a 🇵🇸 state? And 🇮🇱 holds all the cards! Youre welcome

@AndyColglazier

5 ай бұрын

​@norga2063 the Palestinians never wanted a two-state solution. What they want is for Israel to disappear, and they could have what used to be the old Palestine under the Ottomans. This isn't going to happen either, and it is completely hypocritical for folks like you to blame the Israelis for the failure of a two-state solution when the Palestinians have always opposed that as an option.

@norga2063

5 ай бұрын

⁠@@AndyColglazieri do not think you get it!!! 🇮🇱 PM takes credit for stopping the forming of an 🇵🇸 state and youre saying Palestinians dont want to two state solution? Youre hopeless man

@AndyColglazier

5 ай бұрын

@@norga2063 explain to me how it matters what the Israelis want, if the Palestinians wouldn't agree to a 2 state solution? If the two couldn't reach agreement because the Palestinians want it all, the Israelis have nobody to make a deal with. Netanyahu isn't the only Israeli PM to deal with the Palestinians. They wouldn't agree with anyone, let alone Netanyahu.

@ever010

5 ай бұрын

​@@AndyColglazieru're obviously one of the victims of false narrative frm Israel's propaganda.. keep on searching for the truth, my bro..

I consider Robert Wright an Israel-hater

@abdisalad7545

5 ай бұрын

Then you are one sick person, Robert is way too nice with Israel, what Israel is doing rn is a genocide especially using food/water/medicine as weapons of war INTENTIONALLY. Look at how Israel allowed more medicine and aid after striking a deal with Hamas which shows that they deliberately used it as a weapon of war in a situation described to be at a crisis level. Israel is 100% committing a Genocide

@squatch545

5 ай бұрын

Because he doesn't support the genocide?

@terriej123

5 ай бұрын

Of course you do. Is he Hamas too?

@Cleekschrey

5 ай бұрын

Israel is a disaster.

@evamurray2564

5 ай бұрын

​@@squatch545war isn't genocide. Read hamas charter as it would make the Austrian painter blush.

Noam you are insufferable to listen to. Sanctimonious much?

@comedycellarclips

5 ай бұрын

Why? Example?

@Yogesh-jq9jj

5 ай бұрын

@@comedycellarclips You should reflect on why you think Palestinians should live with no rights until Israelis feel completely "secure" to give them a state. Also, you should reflect on why someone should believe that Israel wants peace, when they are literally providing subsidies to people to settle in the West Bank.

@michaelhymson8074

5 ай бұрын

ur a rt winger. @@comedycellarclips

@salonlapre1552

4 ай бұрын

Noam edits his videos with Zionist lies so his guest can't respond, it's very dishonest.

the host: "how come this guest managed to escape from my wordy verbage of Zionist hasbara, and is now scoring points for the the truth?

19:00 I think this may be a reason why IDF started bombing areas that had been previously been earmarked as safe - because Hamas promptly moved in and started launching attacks from these new ares

Jesus,what a bad interviewer, constantly going on and on with his own thoughts. Just post a damn video of you speaking your piece. Ugh

Robert Wright has aged terribly. He was at one time nice looking. I don't know if alcohol did him in. The lighting on this show is far better than on his own publication. According to Sam Harris, Wright is dishonest. I am not a fan of either one. I find Wright to be a creepy type and probably dishonest based on what I have followed over the years.

@comedycellarclips

5 ай бұрын

Why did Harris say Wright was dishonest?

@user-cg1qq2er8x

5 ай бұрын

@@comedycellarclips I will try to find the reference but I am sure of it. As I recall, he was saying the same of Glenn Greenwald, or it could be when he went off on Ezra Klein (kind of fair criticism) or perhaps when defending himself from Brett Weinstein and Dave Rubin (also with merit). I will try to find this infor ASAP.

@bobwrighter

5 ай бұрын

Actually, I don't drink. But thanks for the constructive feedback.

@EytanKoch

5 ай бұрын

@@bobwrighterHaha he didn’t see that one coming! Well played, Mr. Wright!

@user-cg1qq2er8x

5 ай бұрын

@@bobwrighter It's not like me to make those kind of comments, however, when I think of Sam Harris I get angry. Sam's behavior during the Kavanaugh hearings was disgraceful. As I am not a fan of yours either, my nastiness got the best of me. Bad form on my part hence I apologize.Aging gets the best of all of us eventually, I personally recommend that almost all public personalities of a certain age dye their eyebrows darkest brown. It does wonders. Can you answer Noah's question for me. When and where and on what video did Sam call you dishonest? I recall he wedged it in with a few others and I was surprised because I wasn't aware the two of you had had anything to do with another. My beef with Sam is his Believe All Women nonsense. Although he walks it back every time he puts it forth, it is quite revealing as to where this man actually is emotionally. You might want to examine his work during the Kavanaugh hearings and on another video with a woman, I believe she may have been British, when he refers to being corrected by his British prosecutor friend as to how many sex crime allegations out of ten are often false. Sam thought it would be way less than one in ten, and very rare, the British prosecutor told him three or four out of ten or something to that effect. How the man of "reason" and "facts" could believe that is telling. The percentage of sociopaths, borderlines, histrionics, and garden variety narcissists in the population alone should make it obvious that millions of people are capable of rendering a false accusation should the right circumstances arise. Write a column on that and I will sing your praises (and phrases) forever. I can write properly. I can't see what I am doing here to edit.