The biggest thing that bothers me about Lionel's earlier TMCC is that dumb 2-chuffs per revolution. Why on earth did they do this? During this same period, even the brass companies offered 2-chuff or 4-chuff with the flip of a switch underneath the cab. Lionel did FINALLY fix this issue just before they came out with Legacy. With DCS, this was never an issue because that system allows for so much more customization. If you want 2-chuffs, 4-chuffs or even more, you can program it and it doesn't require any upgrades. Overall, I prefer Legacy of course because the whistle quality seems to be better (on some locomotives) than on TMCC.

Great review! I am a stanch believer that the smokebox color that Lionel used to use (the darker shade) is far more visually appealing than the lighter shade they are using now

@leoclown83

16 күн бұрын

It is! 1309 does not use grey as their smokebox in the WMSR scheme, Its a black. I'm guessing they used 734's colours instead of it's own. The roof is the only difference thats semi correct but its a tad too bright. Correction*: it is a very dark grey at this point it looks black, I've never noticed when I was younger so this is a shock.

Another Western Maryland 3-railer! Nice! I love Harper's Ferry. There was a fire on the mainline bridge a few days ago.

@99thObsidian

12 күн бұрын

Yeah I saw the bridge fire in the news. Another train friend wanted to know how I was going to recreate the scene (JK). I thought of putting a smoke unit under my B&O bridge, nah. Yes, Fireball all the way. I've ridden behind the 734 and hope to ride the 1309 by fall. Thanks for watching and subscribing.

Fantastic look at these great engines.

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the positive comment. I'm at the point in my collecting where I'm upgrading older versions of engines I already have. I'm trying to limit the railroads I collect to the region of my layout (Potomac river valley). The best feature is that this is the only scale articulated that I know of that runs on O-54. Most others require O-72.

Excellent comparison video! Nicely done Ken. 👍

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

Thanks Frank. You are where I hope to be in a year in terms of subscribers. I have a Greenbrier just like the one you just ran on your channel. It was one of my first PS1-PS2 upgrades. The only other Legacy engine I have is the Orange Greenbrier Lionel released last summer. I'm planning a comparison video between the two soon. I subbed.

@TwistedMacGyversTrains

14 күн бұрын

Thank you Ken, just keep doing your videos and shorts and you will get there. I love that orange Greenbrier I wish I would’ve pre-ordered it. Keep up the great work! I have also subbed.

Great! 👍👍

It’s just a small pet peeve, but I’m tired of replacing the crappy figures that Lionel is still using in their engines otherwise I’m a big fan of Legacy and your comparison was very well done. 👍

@99thObsidian

14 күн бұрын

Good point

Hello Mr.Hobert.. I have the those locomotives too..😃 I'm going to keep my C&O just because of sentimental reasons. The only thing I do not like about my C&O mallet is the two chuffed sounds per revolution when the Fire ball 🔥 has 4 chuffs per revolution. Great video!!! Thank you!! 👍👍😎😎🇺🇲🇺🇲

@99thObsidian

18 күн бұрын

The 4 chuffs on the #1309 and the rest of the sounds is part of the reason I prefer the Legacy model as well. Perhaps if the C&O was #1309 instead of 1521 I'd consider not selling it. I justified the 1309 cost on the proceeds of the 1521 sale. I really appreciate your comments. It takes a bit of time to make these videos. I'd be farther along building my layout if I'd stop buying trains!

@Porschedude8

17 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian 👏😂

Nice video Ken! I’m not sure all the noise/sound is worth the extra money. Chuff smoke and bells would be good enough for me. But again, I am used to older American Flyer. The lights are also nice. My legacy American Flyer engines get the volume turned down. Same with my DCS MTH S scale engines. Enjoyed this video! Keep up the great work! Cbtrainnut on KZread!

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the positive comment. I rarely run with smoke on (which I forgot to turn on for video). I agree that the sound and light features may not be worth what Lionel charges for a brand new engine. About 75% of my collection was purchased used. Most typically at half original retail, but 20 or so years old. Nice thing about model trains is that they don't wear out. That video of the landing in Japan was cool, I like that feature of Airbuses.

@Cbtrainnut

14 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian thanks for watching my video. I just thought that feature on the plane was so cool. It didn’t work so well at 33000 thousand feet up at night though! I hope to have new train video up soon.

Nice layout!

@99thObsidian

14 күн бұрын

Thanks but I really need to do some scenery and not just buy and run trains. My excuse has been that I've been waiting to build the main extension before securing track permanently. Though I could still could work on the riverbeds and make some moveable mountains. Just ordered some storage solutions to clear shelves in background so I can get extension benchwork started. Look for a video on that process soon. Thanks for subbing if you did.

@solutions2exist556

14 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian I did sub and it still looks great. I have 100s of trains in boxes collected over 40 years. My layout suffers from neglect and too much other junk now in the garage that I added air con vents. Was displaying a lot of train engines in curio until house flooded from ice maker water line and 33k gallons of water invaded unoccupied house for 3+ weeks. I now have an insurance mess. I say again, your layout looks great. I do occasionally set up fast track on carpet with 90 plus curves. Great trains and look forward to your videos.

Nice review! 9:17

@99thObsidian

18 күн бұрын

Thanks Craig!

Nice video. Even if I could. Afford one, which I can’t, I don’t have the curves to run one

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. The used TMCC engines are typically great values at less than half Legacy prices. This is the only scale articulated that runs on O-54. Almost all others require O-72. So it happily runs on my inner loops O-54 siding.

I like the older version better.

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

I can't deny the value of the TMCC 2-6-6-2. It cost less than half the Legacy version and has 80-90% features. I'm happy though to have a model of the largest operating steam engine in the east.

The wmsrr 1309 is actually a Baldwin built. It’s not an alco or American Also the 1309 firebox is black along with the smoke box. The back up light is in the center of the tender and the rear coal bunker sheets are painted red. Another item that is missing from 1309 is the locomotive class and weight on the sides of the cab. Just to note I created a 1309 from a brass right of way 2-6-6-2 over a year ago before lionel announced theirs. And yes I have the lionel version as well Another note I model the Western Maryland as well in 3 rail and have a large stable of locomotives in both steam and diesel.

@Howard-ix2dc

3 күн бұрын

You are quite correct 1309 is a Baldwin. I was in Cumberland in October and drove this loco on a 'Hands on The Throttle' experience . Also took quite a few photos including makers Plate.

@hmsjr0154

3 күн бұрын

@@Howard-ix2dc Over the years of railroading I’ve had the opportunity to operate C&O 614, N&W 611 and 1218. Back in the 80’s while in the USAF I got the chance to operate 3985 and 8444. Back in the 80’s 8444 was numbered that due to a diesel having her original number of 844.

NICE JOB KEN. I ENJOY ALL YOUR VIDEOS. 🙂

@99thObsidian

15 күн бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement. I value the time viewers (especially subscribers) spend watching my videos so I try to make them informative and entertaining. Please let me know what you'd like to see or a topic you would like a video on.

@ARMYVETT

14 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian I WUD LUV TO C HOW U RUN 2 DIFFERENT SYSTEMS ON YUR LAYOUT. LEGACY VS MTH. I AM NEW TO THE HOBBY, ONLY 1 YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS. I ONLY HAVE LEGACY ENGINES AND FASTRACK. 🙂

@99thObsidian

14 күн бұрын

@@ARMYVETT First, welcome to the greatest hobby in the world. I would get Legacy if it was available. The remotes and bases are being sold for more than a Legacy engine. I don't need the few extra Legacy features that bad. Perhaps when the CAB 3 comes out I'll consider it. In the meantime I can run my 2 Legacy engines in command mode either via bluetooth or TMCC with my DCS remote. I'm planning to do a short video of how to run Legacy with the LionChief app on my phone.

@ARMYVETT

9 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian THAT'S WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ANY OF THAT. I USE 2 UNIVERSAL REMOTES TO RUN MY TRAINS. I WANT A FEW MTH ENGINES BUT DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE TO RUN THEM ON FASTRACK. OB1 KENOBI YUR MY ONLY HOPE. CAN U HELP ME PLEZZZZZE? I STARTED USING THE CAB3 APP ON MY IPHONE. IT ALLOWS ME TO RUN 4 ENGINES AT ONCE. CAN I USE THAT TO RUN MTH ENGINES?

@99thObsidian

8 күн бұрын

@@ARMYVETT I haven't heard that name in ages, Obiwon Kenobi :-). I go by Obsidian Ken now a days. The type of O gauge track you use has no effect on the command control system you use. MTH PS2 or 3 need MTH DCS to run in command mode (which you'll need to control the speed of more than one engine on the same track). DCS can control Lionel TMCC but Lionel Legacy cannot control DCS. See if you can find a DCS Commander or remote for your MTH PS 2 or 3 engine. It wont conflict with your Lionel universal remotes.

need to get the legacy 1309's markers fixd

Nice review. The sounds are nice, but I could do without the crew talk. The opening hatches are neat, but not necessary and really don't enhance the tender's appearance. They both look like decent pullers, though. I'm more of a traditional guy, so I like the C&O livery, but that is a matter of preference. An excellent side-by-side comparison and video, for sure.

@99thObsidian

14 күн бұрын

Thanks for commenting. Adding sounds like crew talk is an easy way for model train manufacturers to add 'features' via the same sound hardware they've already added. Really doesnt cost them more especially since they use nearly identical dialog across multiple engines. However, hand applied piping, steam affects require more precise labor/tooling-electronics. All at a greater % of manufacturing cost. We see these facts with these models. They look basically the same but the Legacy has more sound 'features'. I would have liked to have seen more than just whistle smoke added. Some blow down or cylinder steam would have made the Legacy model look AND sound more realistic.

@johnandrus3901

14 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian I agree, somewhat. Features, like opening hatches, really don't enhance visual operating perspective. The non-opening hatch on the C&O locomotive looks the same as the opening hatch on the WM. I do like the newer sounds and features. Whistle steam, cylinder steam, blow-down, extra chuffs and some of the operating sounds, like coupling, flange-squeal and others, are just fine. The crew talk, though, is totally unrealistic. It wouldn't take much to get a generic, but better, more realistic crew talk. The new locomotives are excellent, but there are a few things, that wouldn't take much effort and cost, to improve.

I must be dense I don't see any significant difference Both are beautiful If the TMCC engine has Odyssey it is fine I have one TMCC diesel without Odyssey and it is not as smooth as low speed Keep both Perhaps an upgrade to ps3

@MV-xp6zo

17 күн бұрын

I have two Atlas TMCC diesels with no odyssey and I stripped TMCC out and replaced it with a Blunami board and it has AWESOME sound and the speed control is better than legacy... in my opinion!!

@99thObsidian

17 күн бұрын

You are not dense at all. Visually the TMCC and Legacy models are identical. There are a few small details not worth mentioning and certainly not worth the $$$ delta. However, the improved Legacy sounds, lighting effects (rule 17) and the #1309 livery make this a worthy investment. Besides I have enough C&O engines. I've only upgraded MTH engines to PS3 and MTH doesn't make a 2-6-6-2. Thanks for the comment and sub if you did.

@williamkolina3988

17 күн бұрын

@@99thObsidian I subscribed after viewing your first video.I love your collection.i wish I had a DCS system.I am waiting for the new DCS to be released.this has kept me from MTH engines.I bought a new MTH proto3 engine and can only run conventional . keep up the great content,Mr Ken

@99thObsidian

16 күн бұрын

@@williamkolina3988 Thank you so much for subscribing. One of the best parts of this hobby is meeting people who share my passion for trains (models and real). KZread has been a great way for me to share my collection virtually. I've been a MTH guy since 2000 but my friend Craig (Southfork layout) introduced me to Lionel. They make models of engines I wanted that MTH did not (like the 1309 and the B&O EM-1). TMCC are great values and as you can see lack only a few sound features when operated via DCS. See if you can find a DCS Commander.