This episode right here is all the proof needed that Shannon deserves to be a permanent regular host to the show. You know how few people Matt is willing to sit back and listen to take the lead for ten minutes?

@nuffflavor

2 жыл бұрын

Also proof that there are monkeys smarter than a few humans.

@jameskelly3745

2 жыл бұрын

@@nuffflavor yes Matt and Shannon can easily prove that by most of the callers.

Wow, Shannon missed her calling as a lawyer with that devastating line of questioning! Plus her enthusiasm for the subject was really infectious!

@lamarsync5984

Жыл бұрын

BAHAHAHA PLEASE!

@pythondrink

Жыл бұрын

@@lamarsync5984 what?

@chrischandler889

Ай бұрын

She would kill it as a lawyer.

i love how theists always say “i didn’t call in to talk about this...” when they’re logically and silogistically backed into an absolute corner.

@TheSnoeedog

2 жыл бұрын

Caller - "well i really didn't really plan to talk about this. Host - "Adapt or die....or offer an alternative to the Theory of Evolution"

"I didn't call in to talk about a soul, I called in to talk about life after death." "Okay, so what lives after death?" "Your soul."

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

Here's where the *GOD* hater's faulty ontology comes in again. They think that reality is static and that non-being requires a reason. Of course it's exactly the opposite. Quantum theory tells us that all of matter is alive with vibrations; De Broglie waves are constantly vibrating inside of atoms, molecules, quarks and the most elementary particles of nature. If something were to cease to be, it would not be operating. It would be in fact nothing, and nothing does not require a cause. We don't need a cause for nothing to happen, we need a cause for something to happen, and all reality is something happening. As I say, it's alive with vibrations and motions. There is no bit of material reality which is in any way completely static. So, matter poofing out of existence requires no cause, it requires only that the cause which is now making it dynamic, cease to operate. It's the same for a soul or a piece of toast. How is a person converted to "atheism" from being a theologian if we don't have souls? Brains can't have religious conversions.

@jonathanallard2128

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielcox6143 Oh please. ''Here's where the GOD hater's faulty ontology comes in again. '' Talk about faulty ontology ''God haters''. I can tell straight off the bat you're not going to be honest at representing the atheists' position, when you call us ''god haters''. Atheists hate god the way you hate Big Foot and Tooth Fairy, Daniel. When you'll be honest with yourself, maybe you'll see our point. ''Quantum theory tells us that all of matter is alive with vibrations'' Why do I have a feeling you don't know the first thing about quantum mechanics and are twisting the fuck out of the words you heard? ''As I say, it's alive with vibrations and motions. '' Moving the goal posts fallacy here. This isn't what people mean by ''alive'' when they talk of life after death. The mental gymnastics you're doing, man. Be honest with yourself. ''How is a person converted to "atheism" from being a theologian if we don't have souls? Brains can't have religious conversions.'' Of course brains can have religious conversions! Every thought you have and every belief you hold is from your brain.

@AC-gb7do

3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Allard 👏👏👏👍

@Ignirium

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielcox6143 strange how no religious person was talking about quantum theory before the scientific method discovered it, but once it was, look at all quantum theory we've been saying all along for years... You're a thief. Desperate belief will thieve anything as long as it fits it cause. No Shame either. and believers don't acknowledge their ignorance of quantum theory, just assert their fabulous education on the matter...It's a kaleidoscope of pathetic and stupid.

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

​@@jonathanallard2128 *GOD* is a complete disjunct for what it is you're saying I'm going to hate. It's your position you're an "atheist." For me after several million of these exchanges, pardon me I'm prone to exaggeration, whatever the number, 99% are people disparaging (hating) *GOD* to me claiming "There is the same amount of evidence for your god as there is for an invisible sky fairy, that's what you worship." I don't know how else to explain this to you. What is the thing in of itself, what does it do, how do we detect its existence in reality? If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The test implies that a person can identify an unknown subject by observing that subject's habitual characteristics. Each of you sadistically *hates* _GOD_ to me stepper motor fashion. Why do people *hate* other people? Because it makes us feel good. When I try to unconditionally love a person like you when you're *hating GOD* to me then the hate only becomes far more Satanic. Religious sin is the most destructive kind of sickness, for it masquerades as it feeds off the illusion of health. Far from being open to a cure, this kind of sickness thrives on the illusion that it is the epitome of health. By its very nature, it resists soft correction. Indeed, because it gets life from the rightness of its beliefs and behavior rather than from love,... Repenting of Religion by pastor Gregory A. Boyd (it purports *EVIL* on innocent people). You're not hating *GOD* to me? So says a *GOD HATER!* Wouldn't matter if beliefs come from the brain or not, that's not a warrant for "atheism." The existence (most of the time) for "atheism" is based on statements about mythological, man-made, and nonexistent gods, that they exist. The person claims by denying those claims "atheism" comes into existence. So, or thus, therefore your "brain only" theory eliminates the gestation period required to go from one theological paradigm to another. We all have brains, and you say mine is producing beliefs that aren't true, and yours is producing beliefs that are (true) then it's not a theological disagreement, it's a neurological one, and beliefs _don't have to be true,_ for out neurology to be adaptive. Just present true data to me and skip the jockeying for position about what it is you exist as. I don't accept "atheism" and so I don't accept your claim you're an "atheist." Physics? 12 years here, but you don't even understand what begging the question is. I DON'T accept in context, any context, in which you try to invoke the word "atheism." Before you talk about "atheism" you must prove the existence of "atheism" to me!

In my opinion, people who believe in souls just aren't giving the brain enough credit.

@ShiningLion

3 жыл бұрын

@THE MIGHTY DRACONIAN OVERLORD I think it has more to do with passing civilisation and known information on, rather than being some arrogant bully. Although arrogant attitude is everywhere in these discussions, unfortunately. That said, not everything is up to debate or believable anymore, like it was with year 0 shepherd people. Much is now known. It's about passing that knowledge on people who have misunderstood how something works. This isn't a political debate, but getting to know how the world works. Not being willing to learn new information is the dangerous position, and suspect to many other delusions or harmful ways to think or act, getting cheated, etc.

@TryingToFindOut

3 жыл бұрын

In a way, we can say the brain is not giving credit to itself.

@lizzyw7861

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I think it is just the brain. But, many people find it comforting to believe in a soul. Do what makes u happy and encourages u to be a good person. If there are souls & heaven, great!! If there isn’t, we won’t’ be sad over it 🤷🏻‍♀️ Either way, no afterlife for everyone is much better than most people being tortured forever. According to the Christian belief, non-Christians will burn and be in psychological terror/ abuse for all eternity. How tf is that good news, I don’t understand. I would rather chose nothing for everyone than me in heaven and my sister in hell.

@lizzyw7861

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes Excuse me? What are you saying? I really have no idea. Nevermind, take care of yourself & mental health

@mism847

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dark_Force_Of_Wishes PROOF.

I didn't exist before I was born, I fully expect the same upon my demise.

@eveharris30

4 жыл бұрын

That makes me sad sometimes. Like when people I like or love die. Like Chadwick Boseman's death as me sad.

@sharonreeve7537

4 жыл бұрын

You mean before you were developing in a womb. ☺️

@Diviance

4 жыл бұрын

@@sharonreeve7537 Nah, one would argue that it is actually some time _after_ birth before "you" exist. Since you remember nothing about the first months, usually years, of your life.

@sharonreeve7537

4 жыл бұрын

I prefer to be optimistic by believing that this life is not all there is to my existence.

@sharonreeve7537

4 жыл бұрын

@Loki I don’t have a specific desire nor an expectation of what an afterlife would be like so it’s not relevant.

“I don’t know” “I don’t know” “I don’t know” “But yeh, clearly a soul and life after death”

@Nanamowa

3 жыл бұрын

At least he's willing to say he doesn't know, if he's willing to admit he doesn't know on this, it's a step in the right direction.

@RoamingHeathen

3 жыл бұрын

Bismuth LD you’re right that it’s a great answer to these questions. But he doesn’t seem to pick up on the implications of not knowing an answer, ie. not knowing the answer!

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

@@RoamingHeathen Divinity can mean The Holy, the *Divine* (GOD) and in another sense it means the study of *GOD;* religion; & theology. Matt Dillahunty claims to be a "positive atheist" and "anti-theologian." It means he's never studied the words 'positive' or 'atheism.' Demons are the least of your hero's problems.

@onnol917

3 жыл бұрын

@@danielcox6143 please call in and give us a good laugh

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@FACE GALLON if the believer dies and he find out that there's no after-life,his feeling won't be worse than an athiest who dies and find that there's an afterlife. So it is a win-win situation for the believer.

The religious are sure they know what happens after death. But once they are dead they have nothing to say.

@paradoxward2533

3 жыл бұрын

I'm going to use that, sir!

@at6686

3 жыл бұрын

James Richard Wiley That’s the beauty of it. Promise everything after death for subservience while here. The perfect con. Nobody comes back and ever calls shit on the lies.

@user-rn5dl6tf8r

3 жыл бұрын

Who told you that ? It's not true . Once you die you wake up from the matrix

@johniec5282

3 жыл бұрын

Dead men tell no tales, so they say.

@SpatialAndTemporalEvangelicals

3 жыл бұрын

They Have Everything To Say.

Bravo Shannon, you really took him in to a truly uncomfortable place. Making people try to explain and justify their beliefs is the most impossible task a religious person can have.

@JR-xv6mv

3 жыл бұрын

I do feel like she did it in a very annoying way though.

@jlsc4125

3 жыл бұрын

@@JR-xv6mv That's a personal thing. I found nothing at all annoying to it, just very sterile and straightforward.

I hope Shannon stays with ACA for a good long time. She is such a great addition to this show! This was one of the most interesting discussions I've ever seen debunking the "soul".

@paradoxward2533

3 жыл бұрын

she is brilliant and not to hard on the peepers.

@vinlennox7658

3 жыл бұрын

Good fun too. And still polite, friendly and nice to callers

Shannon murdered this guy. I'm going to smile for an hour

@joriskemper5392

3 жыл бұрын

She lobotomized his brain and his arguments with razor sharp rebuttal.

@pacorpse666

3 жыл бұрын

@@joriskemper5392 agreed.

@petyrkowalski9887

Жыл бұрын

She sent him to the afterlife…lol

Shannon's line of questioning is brilliant here!

most afterlife believers would think it silly to suggest that animals would have an afterlife or worse still insects.

@swaygrow7854

3 жыл бұрын

Heaven wouldn't be heaven if I couldn't see my pets again.

@_Somsnosa_

2 жыл бұрын

Let me paraphrase Kryten from Red Dwarf: "There's obviously no human heaven but there is a silicone heaven for androids. If there isn't then where do all the calculators go? What they just die? Yeah right."

@mistylover7398

Ай бұрын

​@@swaygrow7854or gawds eternal attention needs like a disabled special needs entity lol. Izn't Bible faith just eternal 💒🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖 and after eternity gawds still not satisfied with attention and forever lacks it like cup of water with a hole in it but trying to be fill NEVER to be though.

"I'm vibrating - you go first"!

@inertiaforce7846

3 жыл бұрын

What did she mean lol?

@pidayrocks2235

3 жыл бұрын

@@inertiaforce7846 it meant she was excited about the topic

@joshpomeranc4381

3 жыл бұрын

Lololololol

@Georg3e

3 жыл бұрын

@@pidayrocks2235 .... The internet has ruined my mind.....

@jdtown6585

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha no comment...

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.” Mark Twain

@swaygrow7854

3 жыл бұрын

Overused

@stevenwells5009

3 жыл бұрын

@@swaygrow7854 ….and why is it ‘overused’? Because it happens to be true.

@ifoxfirei

3 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite quotes. When I first heard it, I felt both relief and a sense of dizziness.

@tylercampbell6365

2 жыл бұрын

Can't be dead if you were never living.. Stupid nonsense

@petyrkowalski9887

Жыл бұрын

@@swaygrow7854 not used enough

I'm constantly amazed by these callers who think there aren't real answers because they couldn't think of them. The arrogance is incredible.

@zzcanasta

3 жыл бұрын

@@fekinel Most succinct and accurate description I've come across.

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@@fekinel Actually ,Religion came from Knowledge not ignorance. Just because you have Rhymed Two words , it doesn't mean you're right.

@adamgrotto8163

3 жыл бұрын

@Think First! Religion came from an opportunity and a desire to control people.

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

@Rebecca Leeman I'm a theologian, and so Matt's claim of "positive atheism" and "anti-theist" can't apply to my life's work. *Divinity* is the study of *GOD;* religion; & theology. Essentially Matt's life is summed as anti-Divinity. He lacks the ability to study the subject matter of his show.

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

@@adamgrotto8163 Religion came from an opportunity and a desire to control people. Without grandstanding to coming across as a need to self aggrandise, it's been the last 12 years studying philosophy were I've been able to see a misstep in logic in this kind of statement. Think of this Adam, is there some other logically distinct reality that could create an opportunity and a desire to control people? So, there may be a relationship, a correlation of religious people, the fact they are people, that gives rise to both the opportunity and the desire to control other people. A few million times my religious opponents have told me, "I'm an atheist, the burden of proof is on you to prove your God/s real to me" in a remarkable attempt to coerce me into giving them a free education in *Divinity!* What is religion really? Hannibal Lecter: First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek? Clarice Starling: He kills women... Hannibal Lecter: No. That is incidental. What is the first and principal thing he does? What needs does he serve by killing? Clarice Starling: Anger, um, social acceptance, and, huh, sexual frustrations, sir... Hannibal Lecter: No! He covets. That is his nature. And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet? Make an effort to answer now. Clarice Starling: No. We just... Hannibal Lecter: No. We begin by coveting what we see every day. Don't you feel eyes moving over your body, Clarice? And don't your eyes seek out the things you want? Silence of the Lambs. Religion is sacred and holy. Someone trying to control other people for their own gain constantly doing fundraisers begging for money pretending to be the intelligentsia in the field of theology (Divinity) is not sacred, holy or religious. They're a greedy, lying, self righteous religious hypocrite. How are things going with you?

Matt please bring Shannon to the show more often. This subject is so interesting.

Nothing on planet Earth gives me more comfort and relief than to know that there is NO afterlife. It's like you are sleeping and relaxing for all of eternity. No worries, no pain, no thirst, nothing.

@bengsynthmusic

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I think about what it was like before being born and how fast time has passed without realization. Perfect peace and non-worry.

@zayedbiniqbal2797

2 жыл бұрын

How can you be so sure?

@josephjoestar5654

Жыл бұрын

@@zayedbiniqbal2797 We can go over the many ways religious,biblical or spiritual stories say but in general: There is zero evidence of a soul. It's a construct/idea we as human beings made up from our minds. It's used to not only manipulate people, make people feel guilty for their "sins" and to help people cope with the inevitable death.

@mistylover7398

Ай бұрын

​@bengsynthmusic y knot have ma own random afterlife kingdom to rule over with 😇🪽 to create to be with me?? Who wants da Christian afterlife version anymore?? Izn't Dat just eternal 💒🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖 to a gawd who doesn't seem good enough for himself so he needs a heaven kingdom with 😇🪽 to eternal remind gawd of attention and love.

When a candle is extinguished, that's it. There is no after-candle flame.

@Diviance

4 жыл бұрын

The candle analogy is fun since it points toward a basic component of living... that life is the act of destroying yourself.

@AC-gb7do

4 жыл бұрын

I told a believer from the moment we’re born, we’re dying and he lost his damn mind. It’s amazingly easy to set them off lol.

@tommystyx

4 жыл бұрын

Forget the god damned candle, I want to know where the white goes when snow melts.

@awkwardlyrachel5524

4 жыл бұрын

@@tommystyx 😳😲🤯

@Adamjs1985

3 жыл бұрын

I use the same reasoning against the argument for time traveling into the past as “you can’t un-burn a candle...”

Calls like this only confirm people bare religious because they are scared of dying.

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

You'd have to believe there wasn't anything more to you than your body. I know there's more to me than just my body (brain), but I still don't want to die and will fight, rage against the dying of the light. Where is you logic, Bob? Put Dillahunty into a syllogism and let me attack that!

@AC-gb7do

3 жыл бұрын

Why not call Matt yourself?

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

@FACE GALLON "You have no evidence of an after life." Do I have a car?

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

@@AC-gb7do His show is educational, that's what he says. It's not my job to call him and inform him about a goddamned thing. I'm not begging for money every 5 minutes, he is. I don't need an education to beg for money! True story. Yesterday in an honest attempt to lose weight I ventured out in the 115 degree heat here in Riverside. I walked most of the way up to Moreno Valley, and on my way back I saw this homeless man in bad condition using a sharpie marker making his begging sign on cardboard, "Homeless, any amount of money helps." What is the difference between that guy and Matt's educational program? I got more from that guy seeing him destitute honestly than Matt's religious hypocrisy as a self described Charlatan "anti-theologian educator!"

@AC-gb7do

3 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cox Wake me when you stop telling stories that have F all to do with anything, ok? BTW, I love the excuses you give for not calling Matt, they’re hilarious.

My two favorite atheists atm., and there are several good choices. I love the honesty they show in every question they present! And both are able to go into "beast mode". I love it, no BS. They really do a great job for the humanity. With love from Norway :-)

It's so nice to see how excited and passionate Shannon is talking about this topic. Loved this discussion as per usual

@JamesRichardWiley

3 жыл бұрын

The afterlife and soul are not a topic. They are words that do not refer to anything.

@deanmartin1111

3 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley Of course they're topics. They're concepts that theists believe in. What's so hard to comprehend about that?

@flipwright1138

3 жыл бұрын

@Rapid Revolt What percentage of scientists believe we "go to another dimension"?

@sycofreake1

3 жыл бұрын

@Rapid Revolt you are literally delusional. Ghosts and demons, evp are all things that haven't been confirmed. Prove them, THEN believe them and get the "greatest scientist of all time" award

@richiejohnson

3 жыл бұрын

@@deanmartin1111 Having a word to describe something does not make the thing exist

Am I the only one who gets excited when Shannon gets excited to speak?🤣 I say to myself, “Teach Girl!” 💪🏾

Fun fact: Matt said “no” 21 times at 11:02. Yes, I had to slow the vid down to 0.25x to be able to count them. Yes, I have too much time on my hands. Yes, small things amuse small minds.

@amandacogger3075

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@amandacogger3075

4 жыл бұрын

@BookkeeperBill 🤣🤣

@sqlb3rn

3 жыл бұрын

Still not nearly as many times as she said "Jonathan"

@DocBree13

3 жыл бұрын

yes, I was wondering how many times he said it yes, I was too lazy to slow it down and count yes, I’m glad you have too much time on your hands and answered that question for me :)

@mism847

3 жыл бұрын

Not 18? Well, let me try again

starting at 4:00 Shannon is on fire! juggernaut for logic. whoooeee Sipping sweet tea through a straw and thinking how to carve him up!

"I don't think Canadians could get any more likable." Shannon Q "hold my beer."

@stephjovi

3 жыл бұрын

Even better hold my glorious TARDIS mug 😻

Well, whatever actually happens after death, there's nothing you can do about it.

@JamesRichardWiley

3 жыл бұрын

The nervous system is formed with tiny energetic particles called atoms. The nervous system creates reality. When the nervous system collapses, its back to atoms.

@colossusforbin5484

3 жыл бұрын

@@JamesRichardWiley But what about 'consciousness'?

@kathyheitchue2022

3 жыл бұрын

Quite the pragmatic statement and true 🤗

Damn I love Shannon her arguments are amazing

S: Can I hurt your soul? J: You can hurt my feelings. That is very telling.

@morpheas768

3 жыл бұрын

He pissed me off quite a bit, and I wasnt talking to him, I'm just a viewer. Jonathan was evasive and dishonest as hell. He didnt want to admit defeat, didnt want to answer questions honestly and seriously, and didnt seem to want to do anything else other than what he had prepared in his little metaphorical script. "Its a black swan fallacy! Also, induction." Basically all he could do is parrot things that sounded cool and true in his head, 5 minutes before he called (thats how long he managed to think about it).

@ThanatoselNyx

3 жыл бұрын

In fairness people often equate feels and souls.

@ShiningLion

3 жыл бұрын

@@morpheas768 Actually he did admit many points to Matt especially. And had no clue where Shannon was going. I think Shannon must've seemed gaslighting to Jonathan, since he didn't seem to get her point at all. I actually think this caller was among the more intellectually honest believers, even if he lacked much information!

@immortaltoaistisascamdonot4938

3 жыл бұрын

@@ShiningLion highly disagree

Life after death is like driving a car after death or reading a book after death, not happening.

@chadrasmussen6127

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe maybe not lol

@WarhavenSC

3 жыл бұрын

But they drove their cards into heaven in Monty Python's Meaning of Life, though...

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

Everybody here on youtube has an opinion ,but without any arguments .Everybody are criticising Religion but they don't know anything about Religion ,they are just here collecting "Like" ,if you're truly looking for answers read about the Religion of Islam, there are everything you need. I bet!

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@bad zombie That is you're opinion ,me too i don't like some fruits. but i'm not going to reject something that is going to save me from hellfire . Me too i can come here and say athiesm is bullshit " ,but with no proof it is just an opinion . The same thing you're doing here.

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@bad zombie wrong route. We don't have a concrete proof of hell or heaven. So that it is a wrong route you're taking. The right question to ask is "You don't even know if there's a god?" . God is the one who taught us to believe in hell and heaven.through his book and through the last revelation the Quran. You're wondering now! How do you believe in an unseen world without any concrete proof. Well! here is the problem,Why? ,because my logic says and with me being rational ,if a book like the Quran has 100% scientific fact and with no errors ,I come to conclusion and without being bias to my ideas ,the quran is impossible to be wtitten by a humanbein ,who lived in a desert ,who couldn't read nor write ,but could write a book that talks about the begining of the universe ,about the expansion of the universe ,about the rotation of the sun on its own axis ,about the moon's light;It is the sun's light that is reflected on the moon.Also,about the two-merged seas ,one of them is sweet and the other one is salty.Also,the waves in the deep ocean,the mountains aren't stationary.Human embryonic development,in an astonishing description.

What is a soul? - Well I didn't call to talk about a soul * 30 seconds later * Well what exists after death if it's not a soul? - No I didn't say it wasn't a soul * 10 seconds later * So Jonathan, how do you continue existing? - Well I do believe that there's a soul... Give this man the Guinness World Record for most mental backflips executed in 60 seconds! Holy crap! Doesn't call to talk about a soul, but calls to talk about life after death, and then claims a soul goes on after death..... Jesus world-record-in-tapdancing Christ!

I've worked with patients with all sorts of dementias for 16 yrs. Seen many forms of brain damage, from disease to trauma. It has become obvious to me that we ARE the brain, we are its consciousness. And our thoughts and sentience is the 'Soul' if you will, & is an ongoing, dynamic creation of the MOMENT. If it isn't working properly, then that consciousness is corrupted. This includes recent memory, long term, recognition of people and self, that can all become corrupt. It is clear that a consciousness independent of this, is just wishful thinking. I think people get the words 'hope' and 'belief' confused. ONE CONSCIOUSNESS- Ever pondered on the idea of just ONE soul-ONE consciousness? Splintered in time and knowing itself subjectively a trillion trillion times. And that all matter can be a part of this consciousness? It's my take on things-just an idea though.

@thelotuseater6496

3 жыл бұрын

Bob Berch This is exactly my view. The universe is this giant soup of stuff, some of which appears to have a “self” of some kind. Consciousness is just a product of matter, an inevitable product as inevitable as gravity. Disconnected across quintillions of “selves” that think they are individual but are in fact made up of septillions of particles in a soup of qualia.

@terryperring104

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelotuseater6496 Great we think alike. I dont think anyone has agreed before.

@austinblake4079

3 жыл бұрын

@@terryperring104 We are pieces of the universe experiencing itself. Children of infinity, always gazing to our past, we are dust of the stars. All is one and one is all.

Ho boy, someone on the show that can talk science. Mr I want to talk about life after death, but I don’t want to explore the very mechanism my argument is reliant upon, got a double whammy. I hope he does listen to the show and think about what is said. I know neurology is uncomfortable for many theists because it points out that everything previously attributed to the soul is demonstrably functions of the brain. There is no hidden magical essence beyond brain functions. We have sensitive tools to measure the loss of that magical essence, if it were real, but the only weight losses are due to air expelling from the lungs and any bodily fluids that might escape, moisture that might evaporate, but no unexplained loss of weight that would have to occur if the “essence” were a real thing that leaves the body. Sadly, those who know nothing of how the brain functions are prone to place magical values on electrical impulses and chemistry. They don’t seem to believe that chemistry can feel good, and be a motivating force.

@danielcox6143

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, these are really great arguments if you could prove any of them. In principle, mental states can easily change without physical changes because intentions can be dispositional, with no immediate effect. If I am driving to Chicago, change my mind, and decide to go to Los Angeles, my decision may not be immediately expressed. My car's location and velocity will be continuous across the instant of decision. The change in governing intention only disposes me to act differently at a future junction. Further, I could change my mind again, and the first decision might never result in a physical change. This shows it is logically possible to have an intention change not reflected by a physical change. It is quite possible to make free decisions without immediate motor effects. God Science & Mind: The Irrationality of Naturalism by Dennis F. Polis, Ph.D. (2012) We see the *effect* of consciousness in the brain. A "complete brain state" is not an empirically viable concept. Thus, Identity Theory (the reductionist hypothesis that mental states are identically brain states) is not falsifiable (This does not mean that we cannot obtain any data on the contents being processed by the brain. For example, Kamitani & Tong (2005), "Decoding The Visual and Subjective Contents of the Human Brain", were able to tell what orientation grating was seen from the activation patterns in fMRIs of the visual cortex). If we found a mental state that did not correlate with the brain state data that we have, it need only be said that it correlates with data we did not and cannot obtain. Beyond the data problem, the equations describing neural systems are nonlinear and chaotic -- any error in initial conditions gives a completely different outcome. The FitzHugh-Nagumo equation (FitzHugh (1961), "Impulses and physiological states in theoretical models of nerve membrane") models the response of single neurons. It generates strange attractors and chaotic phenomena (Izhikevich (2007), Dynamical Systems in Neuroscience). The whole brain also exhibits chaotic dynamics (Dafilis et al. (2009) "Chaos and Generalized Multistability in a Mesoscopic Model of the Electroencephalogram"). This chaotic hypersensitivity to initial errors precludes falsifiable predictions of behavior from any obtainable data. Thus, reductionism is not a scientific hypothesis. - God, Science and Mind: The Irrationality of Naturalism by Dennis F. Polis p. 13. Look at a cobbled together definition for the word mind: 1. The seat/facility of the emotions/affections & will and is regarded to survive the death of the body. It's my understanding and experience that each moment I'm directing my brain to carry out my will, each moment in a dazzling array of arrangements. The normal operation of the mind consists of an interaction between our intentional aspect, our intellect & our will, and the brain, which acts as an interface to control the body on the one hand and to provide us with sensory input on the other. The brain processes data but it normally does so under the control of our intentionality. We decide what we want to think about, we decide how we want to move. Look at this: Behaviorism (or behaviourism) is a systematic approach to understanding the behavior of humans and other animals.[1] It assumes that behavior is either a reflex evoked by the pairing of certain antecedent stimuli in the environment, or a consequence of that individual's history, including especially reinforcement and punishment contingencies, together with the individual's current motivational state and controlling stimuli. Although behaviorists generally accept the important role of heredity in determining behavior, they focus primarily on environmental events. I couldn't disagree more. My noetic & immaterial subsystem of mind is _evaluative_ and *supervisory* falsifying both functionalism, and behaviorism. If naturalists, Matt says he's a "positive atheist" & "anti-theologian," are correct that our intentions have no causal effects, that they're an epiphenomenon, then natural selection has no behavioral traction, that is to say if our intentions can't cause behavior, then there is no way for natural selection to select the behavior they do cause. It's as simple as that. The naturalist view of mind is an epiphenomenon is incompatible with their view that mind, consciousness, evolved. You're presupposing we have mass & weight the same as our bodies (brain).

"How do you know you are dead?" -You don't, once dead, all knowledge ceases to exists.

@zayedbiniqbal2797

2 жыл бұрын

are you sure?

@estuchedepeluche2212

2 жыл бұрын

@@zayedbiniqbal2797 To an extent, but a more interesting question would be "how can one be sure or learn that the opposite is true?" Dying would be the experiment, but thus far in history, no one has "returned" from death to tell us exactly what happened, and those who are resuscitated by medical means often suffer physical and mental consequences and have little to say about a spiritual life.

@zayedbiniqbal2797

2 жыл бұрын

@@estuchedepeluche2212 No body knows exactly what's gonna happen after death. Not even the toughest atheist

@estuchedepeluche2212

2 жыл бұрын

@@zayedbiniqbal2797 What? Have be talk to a forensic professional, a mortician, or an undertaker? They DO know what happens after death.

Shannon, that was wonderful! After chemotherapy I am left with some peripheral neuropathy. So I *know* that your description of how our body works is correct. For me, my lack of belief did not get challenged at all during the cancer or my recovery.

Until evidence shows anything else, I assume that being dead feels the same as being not born.

Such a Shannon fan! 😍

Seriously, she just kicked his ass. Matt didn't even have to do anything. Go out and take a nap or something

I’m fairly new to the channel, Matt is my new hero, Shannon is amazing and gorgeous I hope to see many more shows with the pair of them together

Legend has it, in between his tap dancing, Jonathan is still looking for the mic that Shannon dropped...

Ha, ha, let's be honest. Caller thought, "Smart girl talk smart. Me change subject to regain position by saying it is not what I want talk about." Brain science....you lost him.

Shannon is a knockout. Love watching her.

I am very impressed with Shannon's ability to explain such a complicated subject as brain functions so lucidly and succinctly. That is a genuine talent.

Thank you, Shannon! You are my "soul mate" (No pun intended). You summarized brilliantly all the neurobiology I tried to teach for decades.

"Life always comes from life." Okay, God is supposed to be alive, so who brought God to life?

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

God is uncreated. God is beyond our understanding. We human beings we always try to understand everything and have answers for everything ,but sadly we will vanish and we will find that there's a God . At that moment we will see where our arrogance has taken us.

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@J S I'm not here to argue, i'm just here to warn you ,things are blurred for you know because of your arrogance but when you die you'll wake up.

@Gwaithmir

3 жыл бұрын

@@thinkfirst1851 If God is beyond our understanding, how are you able to make claims about him? Bit of a contradiction there! And you call atheists arrogant! The fact remains, you have NO evidence for God's existence which will pass rational scrutiny, which is why you've been reduced to nothing more than puerile posturing. Your God is a human invention created in your own image, just like all the other gods which humankind has invented and whose existence you reject.

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@@Gwaithmir Who said it is a contradiction ? First of all you're absolutely right,when you said "Just like the other gods which humankind has invented" ,throughout history and uptil now ,there are people that are worshiping monkeys and rocks and rats,there are several gods,even the christians themselves doesn't have proof that "Jesus" is a God,in fact he never claimed "Divnity".However,you have said "The fact remains ,you have no evidence for god's existence",WHO SAID WE DON'T?,"GOD" of the whole universe has spoken to us through his messengers,from "Adam" uptil "Muhammed" ,and we are not making claims..just like that,we have a proof,which is the Holy Quran ,all of the questions of Human beings since the begining are there .IF YOU'RE A REAL STUDENT OF TRUTH AND NOT ONLY A " Hobbyist" then go and read it i swear all of the answers are there.There's even the desciption of the begining of the universe uptil the resurrection day.There are many scientific facts and there's no contradictions or a single false fact ,believe me ,scientist till this day are accepting "Islam" because there's no book on earth that has all of these answers on questions that have been posed throughtout history; i am really shocked that how ethiests all over the world are neglecting this book,while they still clinging to their thoughts ."Allah" said "Verily, in it are signs for a people who think deeply."Quran 45/13. "He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good.But none remember (will receive admonition) except men of understanding."Quran 2/269. At the end,if you're really a student of truth, use you're mind and don't be biased be neutral.

@thinkfirst1851

3 жыл бұрын

@J S It not a "Donkey" is is called "Al-Buraq" Read the Quran 17/111.

Jonathan calls in about life after death, implying there is something to live on after death, and is then confused that Shannon debunked the soul... Methinks Jonathan in his smug rush to regurgitate roundley debunked argument failed to think things through.

Jonathan: " I believe in the soul I believe I AM the soul I believe the soul transcends death and I believe the soul go to an afterlife and I want to discuss that afterlife... but no one can mention the soul" Haha

Shannon rulez!!! Her questioning is freakin' awesome.

Gotta love the I am brutally defeated on this point so let's talk about something else attitude that theists have.

This was powerful and all she did was state simple fact through knowledge and PASSION!

Damn, I love these two taking calls. Shannon is always on point!!!!

Very nice, Shannon!

I love how she explains it

If you remove his entire brain, he becomes a flat Earther!

@andrewlockett4569

3 жыл бұрын

What do ya mean if??!###!!!

The answer to much of what Shannon said of damaging his brain is "I don't know", yet when his brain is completely dead he "knows" he continues to live on.

One of the reasons people pick religion: THE FEAR OF DEATH They spend so much time afraid of dying they forget to live.

So upon listening to this again, I noticed Matt brings up the concept of the soul immediately, saying its a dead concept. The caller has no objections. It’s only when cornered by Shannon’s line of great questioning that he gets all “I didn’t call to talk about the soul” shit. Not surprising, but REALLY annoying.

Jonathan is a nice guy. His arguments are two-dimensional wishful thinking. I’m glad these two kept the pressure on. Eric’s always too nice to him :)

Shannon I love the way you explained step by step.

I can listen to Matt all day.

Heh, Shannon is so beautiful, it makes this channel twice as enticing to listen to. I just noticed the cross she is wearing, which I assume is something like ironic sarcasm, or perhaps a gift she treasures that supersedes the meaning. But I digress, the real question y'all will eventually have to confront is why one can't reason someone out of their social tribal belief system. The details of what someone believes hardly matter until that barrier can be breached, at least that's what I've learned after 44 years of trying to do that. One just keeps thinking a better argument could prevail.

@kevinJmadsen

4 жыл бұрын

@@loki6626 Perhaps you're referring to people who don't have strongly held beliefs, and I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen, hell, it happened to me, but in general, in my experience, reasoning someone out of their social tribal beliefs is fruitless one on one. En masse for someone like Carl Sagan through a presentation like COSMOS, the results could be impressive. However, I don't think the approach taken on this program, despite the validity of their arguments or entertainment value, is effective. I certainly see no evidence that this program de-converts anyone. It also doesn't hold in my own experience, which may be more extensive than the hosts.

@kevinJmadsen

3 жыл бұрын

@@loki6626 Fair enough.

Everything that ever was or is will continue on just in a transformation of energy, I believe when you die your energy is consumed by worms and soil then plants then animals then back to people. The circle of life in a reality as I see it but I will say I don’t know, change my mind. I fucking ❤️ ❤️ this show because it challenges mainstream beliefs.

@bigtimber

4 жыл бұрын

What about sedimentary rocks? You want to be locked into stone for billions of years until the sun goes supernova and ionizes your essence into it's elements?

@jiggjohns1028

4 жыл бұрын

Camacho4Prez2020 sure if that’s how it happens

@frostmourne4598

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how it works but I was such a determined atheist (for 10 years) until one time I said to myself that I will believe if I see it with my own eyes. Immediately at the outset of the Covid period, I started encountering something abnormal, it appears a ghost was tormenting me. My encounter is with a poltergeist. It makes "popping sounds" that coincides at the exact time of my thoughts. At first I dismissed it, then as a skeptic I tried to verify it with all sorts of methods. It then became too obvious as the sound gets louder (not on just one object and the fact that I have other witnesses that can hear it as well) and high precision with my thoughts. Many times I go to bed and I'm not controlling my thoughts, my hands or body will move by itself involuntarily as if there is an electrical impulse induced in my brain. I got my dad to sleep beside me, when my hand moved by itself, I saw his hand moved as well. It is no coincidence. Seeing this firsthand made me believe.

@frostmourne4598

3 жыл бұрын

Several hints you can get that what Christianity has taught is true is (1) Fr. Sudac (still alive) - mystic priest who has the gift of stigmata, levitation and bilocation, (2) incorruptible saints, (3) questioning your own existence (first person view) - that should be enough hint that you have a soul, (4) The Miracle Of Our Lady Of Fatima (1952), (5) miracles performed in churches such as healing, (6) eucharistic miracles, (7) there are people that fasted for huge period of time and survived (Note: not advisable because this has to be done with the correct intent which is for the love of god, normal hours of fasting should suffice to help develop the virtue of temperance), (8) religious sedan chair becoming extremely heavy (I heard of firsthand experiences from people who are Taoist), (9) people that have the third eye (ability to see ghosts), (10) faith - I'm sure you will have your own personal experiences with god when you believe. For my case, I have an encounter with a poltergeist and subsequently, decided to convert from an Atheist (I was an Atheist for 10 years) to Roman Catholic.

@frostmourne4598

3 жыл бұрын

@@blarglemantheskeptic 'Taoist heavy chairs'

Shannon be hitting different man, matt you found a very good person to carry your torch

Christianity is the opposite of "Hire Purchase" but with no guarantee of any goods. Instead of "buy now, pay later", its "pay now, buy later (maybe)".

Loooooove Shannon's part in this call. So well explained :)

Well at least he is a POLITE caller and he's honest too...he admits that he doesn't know. He's a rare one.

@oluwafisayo3676

3 жыл бұрын

Shut up, Jonathan

Shannon Q is fantastic.

Funniest thing I ever heard Matt say when he said that their isn't even a mole hill of evidence for a soul. He hasn't done his homework here.

@facundotorres175

2 жыл бұрын

Present the evidence then

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

@nexxxus6

3 жыл бұрын

Nice. I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me, than a prefrontal lobotomy. 😊

@duncanbryson1167

3 жыл бұрын

Make It a bottle of single malt scotch whisky. I think I'll just pour myself one just now 🥃. I'm in Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I'm confused by Shannon's crucifix on her neck...

@CesarSandoval024

3 жыл бұрын

Magic

@duncanbryson1167

3 жыл бұрын

I just noticed that myself before reading your comment 🤔

I love Shannon Q. Science is real. Just because we can reduce the thing that makes us 'us' down to just a mass of chemicals and tissues, doesn't diminish the wonder that is existence.

A few corrections to what Shannon said; the occipital lobe gets it's information after the midbrain, not after. Also, the hippocampus bring damaged would prevent formation of new memories, not bother with recall. Sorry, but this is also one of my favourite topics

"You didn't answer my question", then you fundamentally don''t understand what you're asking in the first place, because you can't address whether or not there's an afterlife without addressing whether or not there's a soul, especially when you're coming at it from a Christian perspective.

17:11 girl atheist be wearing cross

You two are a powerhouse.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing 1 Cor 1:18

Caller: Do you believe ou stay dead forever when you die? Matt and Shannon: Yes. That should have been the end of the call if he didn't want to talk about the soul or life after death.

People believe in an afterlife simply because they want to, completely disregarding the notion they were dead for roughly 13.7 billion years previous to current consciousness. I don’t recall a lot of stress during that period....

@frostmourne4598

3 жыл бұрын

What about 3 days after you are born? Do you remember it? And yet your first person view (existence) pervaded throughout your lifetime. Have an open mind. The teachings of the bible is an open secret to the truth of life. We have a soul.

@zzcanasta

3 жыл бұрын

@@frostmourne4598 Just remind me where it is again..?

@jonathanallard2128

3 жыл бұрын

@@frostmourne4598 Have an open mind, but not too much that your brain falls out.

@edsta5145

3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Allard lol beat me to it

@edsta5145

3 жыл бұрын

frost mourne so you’re saying our consciousness develops?

Shannon was on fire 👌🏻

I think i can clarify. The disk weapon on someone’s back in the movie “Tron Legacy” contains the Soul and it also makes for some epic arena action

If the caller is given a lobotomy then he might become marginally more intelligent.

lies, there is a heaven, and it consists of stripper factories and beer volcanoes [=

@solon2923

3 жыл бұрын

Damn and I thought I was still alive. Been living in heaven so long I dunno even how I died, ah maybe it was the day I became Atheist, whoaaahaahaa

@nickthirgood3882

3 жыл бұрын

Ramen!

@ssbmdomr9390

3 жыл бұрын

@@solon2923 no, that's when you actually start to live.

@solon2923

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssbmdomr9390 agree

@brucebaker810

3 жыл бұрын

The Extended Marvel Cinematic Heaven

I'll be debating "death after life" at Biola University campus next week. Lol

When someone asks me what happens to you when you die, I ask if they remember what it was like before they were born. When they say no, I say it's just like that.

@roner61

3 жыл бұрын

I use the same logic, is what i think. I also compare life with existance, and death= non-existance. Once you dont exist anymore you are no-where. I also like the candle analogy: where goes the flame when the candle is burnt? : It doesnt exist anymore. A broken computer...where goes the computer intelligence and knowledge when is broken? :-)

@kenwelch198

3 жыл бұрын

@The Maverick the energy stored in your body is transferred back to the dust it came from. It from. It isn't lost. That energy goes back to the universe to feed other living things. Some of your atoms eventually make it into the creation of new stars and planets. Nothing is lost. Edit to correct a misspelling.

@kenwelch198

3 жыл бұрын

I see no evidence that the minuscule amount e lo electrical energy created by the neurons in your brain are enough to do anything but dissipate as static electricity when the brain cells cease to fire. I'll admit I don't have any scientific background but I've studied those that do. If you believe the energy generated by the brain is what powers a soul then every living thing has one. I'm more than happy to concede the possibility of a soul if you can provide substantiated evidence of one under controlled, repeatable conditions. Ditto on proof of a god.

@kenwelch198

3 жыл бұрын

@The Maverick I've already conceded the possibility, however the evidence still doesn't support it. Simply keeping the body alive by artificial means and the brain coming back to conscienceness isn't a verifiable way to substantiate the existence of a soul. I'm still waiting for better evidence before believe in it and even then wouldn't justify the belief in a supreme god as described by the bible, the koran or any other religion.

@kenwelch198

3 жыл бұрын

@The Maverick BTW I really appreciate the thoughtful friendly discussion we're having. Usually it's just trolls looking for a knee jerk reaction.

Are you telling me that Jonathan has a brain ? ...............

@ralfhaggstrom9862

4 жыл бұрын

@Jason Collins Nor do I ..........

I love how Shannon just used logic to debunk a soul 😜

Do insects continue on after death? Do plants continue on after death? Will a cat, dog, rats snakes and pigs? If not to any of those where has the line in sand been drawn for life to continue after death, why have humans put themselves on a pedestal. If you think rats dogs and plants just decompose and become fuel for other life bing bong until proved otherwise why wouldn't we do the same.

@roner61

3 жыл бұрын

Religions like Christianism are just about humans, an egocentrist thing, made by humans to benefit themselves.

@petersinclair3997

3 жыл бұрын

roner61 Which humans have an after life? Sapiens, Neanderthals or Denisovans, I wonder?

Don't know how advertising on KZread works but before watching any of these vids I always get a pro religion advert.

The sentence "Life After Death" makes no sense. Life and Death and by default opposite, if you are dead, you are not alive, so by definition, it's a nonsensical term.

@estinsidebottom

3 жыл бұрын

It Would Only Really Make Sense If You Were Somehow "Temporarily Dead". Like Living After You Have Died. And Even Then Nothing Like That That Isn't Just "Recovery From Medical Death After A Few Minutes" Has Been Demonstrated To Exist. So Even If It Did Make Sense It Would Still Be Unproven Whack

Shannon, your brilliance is only surpassed by your beauty.😉

@edwardparker760

3 жыл бұрын

Roger that

Shannon is fast becoming my favourite 😆

Life after death is a beautiful dream but still a dream.

Shannon is very condescending

@QBiggie95

4 жыл бұрын

What makes you say that? She only said sciency things and gave the floor to Matt lmao.

@paulb6805

4 жыл бұрын

@@QBiggie95 06:44 - her arrogant smirk as she offers a fake apology in what she believes to be her victory, as if her materialism places her as an authority on the metaphysical concept of the soul. The man hadn't thought out his position so he wasn't able to put her in her place. Consciousness isn't a piece of meat for her to play with in her hypothetical laboratory - her crude attempt at understanding a "soul" by analysing the effects of taking a body apart piece by piece is something else.

@QBiggie95

4 жыл бұрын

@@paulb6805 aside from your clear misogyny its not condensending to have a smirk, especially when its because she knew her material. We know enough about consciousness that we can absolutely play around with the hypothetical she put fourth, and in no way has anyone been able to demonstrate a soul. She put that man on his place and that upset you two because it was a woman. Where's the hate against Matt? He is always condensending toward callers lmao.

@paulb6805

4 жыл бұрын

@@QBiggie95 Do not bring gender into an intellectual discussion. I am not entertaining your empty representations of me. I have criticism of Matt's same position as well - I choose to respond to people individually. She smirked, laughed and offered a false apology as she stated "Johnathon is gone", after she made an argument from materialism. Her behaviour is unbefitting of an intellectual discussion. Do you think it's reasonable to behave that way when engaged in intellectual discussion? Edit : Grammar correction.

@paulb6805

4 жыл бұрын

@@QBiggie95 also : what proof do you have that consciousness is material, to such an extent you believe it's relevant to use arguments from materialism when discussing metaphysical topics?

Shanon explained it so well, and then caller says I didnt call in to talk about the sole but about afterlife and in same breath says its the sole that goes to afterlife. It never stops amazing me how little logical conclusions religious people are avle to make...

@profaneangel0842

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone who wants to discuss the sole would be better off calling the Ichthyologist Experience

Shannon, you are fucking amazing.

Shannon was great in this

Shannon is brilliant.

shannon is on FIRE in this one.

How did John pass his biology classes ? Dude is a rock.

One word, Nuralink. We are figuring out what consciousness is! 🤙