This girl's personal motto is "I don't think, therefore I am a Libertarian."

@tinamoul

5 жыл бұрын

That's generally the libertarian motto.

That's right, if I take a drug and it ends up killing me I swear I'm going to sue the *living hell* out of that company.

@LucianCorrvinus

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the ability to find someone who will take the case is pivotal....

@michaelk.jensen1611

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah money totally worth my baby with mo hands.

@rajashashankgutta4334

2 жыл бұрын

Even though you can't sue them, your family members and consumer protection groups will sue them on your behalf.

@justatiger6268

2 жыл бұрын

@@rajashashankgutta4334 and I will be super happy when they do

@rajashashankgutta4334

2 жыл бұрын

@@justatiger6268 but how can you be happy when you are dead. Are you trying to say that regulations prevent public damage? It may work sometimes(ex: thalidomide) but not always(ex: oxycontin).

How ironic: the United States of America was one of the few if not the only western country where thalidomide was not sold (except for a few cases where it was given to patients). In Europe pregnant women and their newborns were not as fortunate; thousands were born with severely deformed arms and legs, many died soon after. Thalidomide is basically the reason why most people have a bad view of pharma industry. Few people know why but most know something is wrong. And best part; why wasn't it sold in the USA? Because of ONE FDA inspector who did her job. She literally saved thousands by standing up to immense pressure from her superiors and the drug company. I somehow doubt she could have done the same today.

What I don't understand is how libertarians can be so completely suspicious of government, and yet so entirely blindly trusting of private interests altruism? These are the same people in different jobs, if you can't trust them in government (where they're incentive is just to do as little work as possible), why would you trust them to make themselves rich (when that is their biggest incentive)?

@SebastianLundh1988

6 жыл бұрын

"What I don't understand is how libertarians can be so completely suspicious of government, and yet so entirely blindly trusting of private interests altruism? " Because companies can't force you to do stuff.

@SebastianLundh1988

6 жыл бұрын

Libertarians point out that there is collusion between companies and the government all the time. Government is sort of the key player there though. Well, if you say it's so, then it just must be the case. Oh, by the way. The libertarian KZreadr Shane Killian has made a video debunking one of Seder's videos on the FDA. It's called "I Seder Moron". You're welcome! ;)

@SebastianLundh1988

6 жыл бұрын

Ha! :D Worst attempt to avoid counterarguments, ever! "The problem with libertarianism too is it denies literally hundreds of years political history." Yes, when libertarians constantly talk and write about political history, we deny it. " the more and more they concede that the government needs to do. " That's why libertarians pretty much never concede anything like that. Just genius! You've really figured it all out, haven't you? ;)

@sabin97

6 жыл бұрын

i always find it odd that libertarians seem to think the rich will take the best interests of the poor over their own interests.... the pinto is a perfect example. they did the maths, and they determined that settling lawsuits would be cheaper than fixing a deadly defect(yeah, your car exploding in a small collision is a deadly defect), so they didnt fix it. and that's in a country with public courts, which are much more difficult to buy than private courts. letting a company sponsor its own studies on its own drugs is like letting a goat look over your lettuce....it will eat it. for a very short time many years ago i considered myself a libertarian. the whole idea of unbridled liberty seems like something nobody can be against....just like life and choice.....but pretty labels are usually just that.....once you see all their positions about unregulated markets and letting the rich take absolute control of everything.......it completely shatters the illusion....

@travelerperson33

6 жыл бұрын

All libertarians are id people who dont want to pay taxes and retroactively trying to justify it unsuccessfully

If my car blows up, I'm not buying it again. I might even file a negative Yelp! review.

Google FDA Compassionate Care Use. The FDA will let people take unapproved drugs if there is no other option.

wow, a female libertarian!

@TheEvolver311

6 жыл бұрын

Zatzzo she must be super popular at the get gatherings.

@Zahnzak

4 жыл бұрын

@Zatzzo I was thinking the same thing. First one I've ever heard.

@Zahnzak

4 жыл бұрын

@Zatzzo, I was thinking the same thing, first female libertarian I've ever heard.

@persianwingman

3 жыл бұрын

Just as dumb

@lilbusy94

3 ай бұрын

but i still wouldnt put it past her to bring up age of consent law lmao

Just because you are not aware of something happening, does not mean it's not happening. the caller needs to scrutinize more companies.

"People aren't that gullible" Of course they are, ever heard of homeopathy?

@AmysFantasies

7 жыл бұрын

David Glover That's an okay example, but homeopathy never actively killed anyone. I've got a much better example though: Radithor. If you've never heard of it, go look it up. You won't be disappointed.

@MikeDixieWrecked

7 жыл бұрын

Or religion.

@robinsss

6 жыл бұрын

in the case of this product it should have been tested by the FDA .once tested on lab rats the FDA should demand that all the results be summarized and listed on the back of the bottlethen then the producer should be allowed to sell the product with a summary of the FDA test results on the bottle and after the FDA has issued public warnings about the product via television and radioher issue was the amount of power the agency hasnot it's existence

@robinsss

6 жыл бұрын

he keeps asking her if drugs should be released to the public without being tested after she said three times that drugs should be tested first

@sabin97

6 жыл бұрын

homeopathy is the best medicine for imaginary illnesses.

Imagine thinking that the American FDA is TOO STRICT with it's regulations...

I love how her answer to almost everything Sam brought up was "I don't really know much about that." What *do* you know?

@coletrickle1775

Жыл бұрын

She knows she comes from money and doesn't have any real problems at all.

@Seattle-2017

Жыл бұрын

Libertarians are really good at not knowing much about the very things that they espouse. For example, feudalism.

Don't call in to defend your ideology when you're high.

@robinsss

6 жыл бұрын

her issue with the FDA was the POWER that the FDA has to remove a product from store shelves not it's ability to inform consumers of a products dangers

@wvu05

5 жыл бұрын

@@robinsss So, does this mean that you're fine with poison being on the shelf in case someone doesn't have the good fortune to have seen that warning?

@robinsss

5 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 it should be mandatory that a company that places a drug on the store shelves also place all available information about the drug on the package

@wvu05

5 жыл бұрын

@@robinsss It should be mandatory that poison is taken off the shelves.

@robinsss

5 жыл бұрын

@@wvu05 rat poison?

The FDA should take libertarianism off the market immediately for causing an epidemic of stupidity.

if there are already scrupulous scammers and corrupt swindlers while we have the regulations, what makes her think that they would stop if you removed the regulations?

@TheEvolver311

6 жыл бұрын

C0ct0pusPrime well they wouldn't be any of those things because there would be no laws protecting consumers that they could break. Just go look at the snake oil sales men and rampant fraud in the late 1800's and early 1900's companies would simply say whatever they wanted and the consumer had no recourse.

@rajashashankgutta4334

2 жыл бұрын

Well you can sue them for fraud.

MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED/ Must have been a Pinto.

Whenever pressed to put their ideology into concrete terms and real situations, libertarians always lapse into stuttering buffoonery. I guess Ayn Rand should have written them a strategy manifesto.

I just do not get it do these people not know any history

@ZVPieGuy

6 жыл бұрын

Mike snyder They either know no history, or just ignore it when it’s inconvenient (which is always).

@anthonya5525

6 жыл бұрын

ZachyZachyZach 'A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest'

@eosapienrancher4045

5 жыл бұрын

They don't care. They think history is an interesting little sidebar, but when it comes to policy prescription, they are pure idealists (in the philosophical sense of the term). Incidentally these are the same cadre of people who accuse socialists of "not knowing history" bc we have an understanding of 20th century communism that goes beyond "Durrerrrr SOVIEt VENEZUELa" Sorry to get a little juvenile there, but to be perfectly honest I really don't have a lot of respect for libertarianism.

@jewsco

4 жыл бұрын

they are purposely ignorant of everything that shows how stupid libertarianism is

Sam is so respectful. Idk how he doesn't get more frustrated

The notion that being able to sue and maybe get some money solves everything is just crazy.

@bruhbruh6315

2 жыл бұрын

the notion of preventing people from putting whatever the hell they want into their body is just crazy.

@broadnerdmike6450

2 жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh6315 Willingly sure, but that's not what this was about at all. Thanks for playing.

@coletrickle1775

Жыл бұрын

@@bruhbruh6315 Red herring fallacies are just crazy eh? Maybe you don't know what that is. Maybe you won't look it up yourself.

I have been on a several hour long sam vs libertarian over the past couple days and this is the FIRST non man who has called. Good on ya jessica😊

Some of these Libertarian callers lack critical thinking skills....

@ZVPieGuy

6 жыл бұрын

All of them lack critical thinking skills.

@Gigika313

4 жыл бұрын

Most

Honestly more and more these calls sound like Sam Seder teaching a high school civics class.

How dare you infringe on my right to roast alive in my own car! Just because the company cut corners and allowed my car to be a death trap!

@Luminousreign

5 жыл бұрын

25$ per? Dang really was worth it

@robinsss

5 жыл бұрын

the truth is that the car was a danger to everyone on the road near it , it should have been pulled from the market by the government until the problem was fixed...……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..…………………………………...endangerment is not protected under lo libertarianism

She never rang back.

Interesting, the libertardian obsession with the FDA.

voluntary funding, or the concept of "voluntary interactions" is something that is constantly spewed out by institutions like the Cato-institute, the Mises-insitute and the Rand foundation/institute. All of whom receive massive amounts of money from rich people. Voluntary funding is really just funding by the rich, as they will obviously by the ones capable of donating the most money. Ergo, you will have the same kind of "science" that proved that smoking wasnt dangerous at all.

was she being held at gunpoint? she seemed really disinterested in the convo

You can tell she just followed libertarian propaganda and didn't question it ever

@Seattle-2017

Жыл бұрын

That's a pre-requisite for being a libertarian.

In the U.S., representatives from Chemie Grünenthal approached Smith, Kline & French (SKF), now GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) with a request to market and distribute the drug in North America. A memorandum rediscovered in 2010 in the archives of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) shows that, as part of its in-licensing approach, Smith, Kline and French conducted animal tests and ran a clinical trial of the drug in the United States involving 875 people, including pregnant women, in 1956-57.[citation needed] In 1956, researchers at SKF involved in clinical trials noted that even when used in very high doses, thalidomide could not induce sleep in mice.[citation needed] And when administered at doses 50 to 650 times larger than that claimed by Chemie Grünenthal to be "sleep inducing", the researchers could still not achieve the hypnotic effect in animals that it had on humans.[citation needed] After completion of the trial, and based on reasons kept hidden for decades, SKF declined to commercialize the drug. Later, Chemie Grünenthal, in 1958, reached an agreement with William S Merrell Company in Cincinnati, Ohio, (later Richardson-Merrell, now part of Sanofi), to market and distribute thalidomide throughout the United States.[4][dead link] --->The U.S. FDA refused to approve thalidomide for marketing and distribution.

For God's sake, Sam, thah-lid-a-myde. Thalidomide.

Caller should have looked up what a trial study is and that doctors for patients dying will suggest trial studies for new drugs.

"Well, there is now"....her parents must be so proud. .

15:00 "Did the car company tell people it was gonna explode?" - No, they didn't tell people that it was gonna explode. (^___________^)

They rushed Phen-,pen to market and that went so well....

Sam to Libertarian numbskull: "Let's talk about something you do know about" Man, hat's a way of guaranteeing that this is gonna be a short fucking call.

@PR--un4ub

2 жыл бұрын

Libertarians are masters at inflating their own ignorance...from a pea to a beachball.

She was a good caller in the way that she admits when she doesn’t know something and just wanted to have a real conversation about some things. I respect that

@Nekulturny

5 жыл бұрын

The problem is, she admits she doesn't know something, but she still defends the ideology. She gets her foundation knocked out, but shes still trying to fight over the color of curtains on the 2nd floor. Her argument is dead, it just doesn't have the courtesy to lie down. I can't respect that. Its dishonest.

Nevermind the fact that several years ago, big companies shacked up with politicians and campaigned to put caps on amounts one can receive in a lawsuit. So yeah, you try taking care of a profoundly disabled child with only something like a $250k payout (as what happened to one couple after their child was irreversibly brain damaged due to obvious malpractice).

Can you just feature these on the majority report? It's my favourite thing in the world - hilarious.

5:10 "That was an FDA approved drug, wasn't it?" I think this question is interesting because I think a lot of people who would ask this are more interested in black and white answers; as though the FDA has acted then as it acts now, and that it's the embodiment of it's staunch advocates and architects. The reality is that a lot of these government organizations are compromised upon implementation to get them established, and then they're molded and bent to the agenda of future congresses.

“I don’t think people are that gullible” Are you familiar with the term “snake oil”? There is a reason

@goldenheart4575

3 жыл бұрын

Or _"I have a bridge to sell you."_ Apparently, someone named George C. Parker actually did sell the Brooklyn Bridge in the late 1800s multiple times, along with other NYC landmarks. _WHY?_ Why do people fall for this?

@PR--un4ub

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldenheart4575 Off topic: I dig your avatar and name.

@goldenheart4575

3 жыл бұрын

@@PR--un4ub Thank you. I made it by removing the heart from one picture and putting it on another where the background and heart would be noticeable without clashing when the picture is bigger but it can only be so big on KZread

@PR--un4ub

3 жыл бұрын

@@goldenheart4575 Say...there's this video I'll be working on in the near future and your picture would be a fantastic addition to the final product. Would you be willing to share it for the cause? I'll afford you all the credit you deserve, if you wish to receive recognition.

@goldenheart4575

3 жыл бұрын

@@PR--un4ub You can use it and you don't need to credit me. What is the video you are working on?

First one of these that I've seen where the caller was a woman: first one where the caller admits not knowing anything at all. Interesting coincidence...

The reason we know the risk is because the surgeon general took them to court over it. The company fought tooth and nail to try and have it suppressed.

Is the only female libertarian to ever call in to Sam?

Not in the short term. Without a government body to regulate and penalize, I could setup a system that would have large short term gains, then set aside a portion of profits to cover lawsuits (as not everyone will sue, only a very small portion will), declare bankruptcy, and then use the fund to cover anything I can't weasel out of. After which I just start a new company, rinse and repeat.

One again.. say it Sam: Thaa - Lidd - Aaah - Myde

the FDA doesn't actually test drugs. it evaluates the data the drug companies are required to provide.

@robinsss

5 жыл бұрын

true…………..………………………………………………………………………….the government should do the tests

Great interview, Sam.

This sounded like a college professor having a polite debate with a sixth grader.

She's a libertarian. It's not just a sound.

I'm way more clever: I'm gona be super rich and, instead of buying a fantastic car, I'll buy 300 exploding cars. What a bargain !

Sam is incredibly patient and understanding even with morons like these. I mean if I was the one answering calls from these idiots I would just laugh in their faces and ridicule them at every given chance.

@coletrickle1775

Жыл бұрын

That's what the comment section is for.

Right, he didnt despute that it was approved, his point was that FDA kept an eye on it and forced it off the market, where as without a regulatory body watching, we would be lucky if any media wasnt paid off or didnt notice the trend for a much longer time, leading to many more issues before it was finally taken off the market or replaced due to overwhelming evidence that couldnt be hidden.

It's a really simple concept: Divide and Conquer. We either all work together to protect our common interests -- our shared property -- or we get crushed. It's that simple.

As soon as I heard the 469 area code, I knew this would not end well and I'd just like to point out not all of us in Texas are this stupid

Tobacco companies didn't just "not disclose" information about their products, they fought tooth and nail to deceive the public and counter all evidence that their product was harmful. As alvcard2 says, we know the risks largely because of government intervention.

This woman apparently has never heard about the tobacco industry.

Internet seems to say that the actual effect of the pinto problem wasn't actually that bad.

"how do you explain things like ah er thamaldama er ah ma ah mide?????"

You've just described the current corporatist system, but instead of having to start new companies, they just get more bailouts and more gov't protection.

But jessica, I have no arms. *thats just the way lawsuits work* Oh 🤷‍♂️

The Hippocratic oath is a formality, and it has radically changed over the centuries. It even has different forms at different schools. The original oath forbade surgery, which was the province of blacksmiths. Doctors regularly have to "do harm" by prescribing drugs with side effects, and doctors in Oregon can prescribe intentionally lethal drugs.

Libertarianism in a nutshell:"We don't need planning or laws bro,everything would just automatically work out bro"

You know, you're right! I seem to remember from medical school that there are more than one cancer drugs.

FDA also covers animal feeds and veterinary products... so if even SOME of the animal product food chain goes down, then you will starve to death.

Perhaps when I have some time set aside I will do just that.

Libertarians out here arguing "do you know how many people suffer because a bespoke drug is restricted due to being unsafe" as though taking all the regulations off the industry would cause a net decrease in suffering. My guy, many of those people suffering from not having the FDA-disapproved medication will most likely continue to suffer but in new, horrible ways, AND their friends and family will also suffer because their medication is no longer monitored by a neutral agency.

True, it's hard to be a Libertarian if you actually know facts.

Its more likely than getting rid of the federal government, FDA, EPA, and all the other protective regulatory bodies. Which I'm guessing is what you advocate

“no, they didn’t tell anybody the cars were gonna explode…”

Ppl that don't do research on what they buy, definitely aren't going to pay attention to what regulators are saying.

I wonder how this caller feels about COVID vaccines and if they have the same opinion about not holding back medication

Thalidomide is actually still in use as an anti nausea drug. Just NOT in pregnant women.

please look up "shell company". It's legal to own a company that literally doesn't nothing. Look up the example he gave of the Ford Pinto. Ford knew how much it cost to go back & place a circular ring between the bumper & gas tank. It was massively more than paying out for each death. They went with running it out there knowing these facts. Corporations are amoral. They have no public goal aside from increasing profits. Some times good things can happen from that, sometimes not

Government is the creatorof the Markets.

I have a question for libertarians: if there were no FDA, & one was injured, made ill or was given a birth defect by an unsafe drug, how would you know that the drug caused your illness injury or birth defect & furthermore how would you prove such in court?

Libertarianism seems to be all about trusting the all-benevolent corporations, and picking up the pieces after all the damage is done rather than prevent it in the first place with law and regulation.

@firstlast9916

3 жыл бұрын

Preventing beta blockers from saving 119,000 lives is damage done by the FDA. How would any private company kill 119,000 people without anybody noticing? The government did and nobody cares. How ironic. If a company kills one person, it goes out of business.

@BaronVonQuiply

3 жыл бұрын

@@firstlast9916 Just yesterday there was a 26 billion dollar settlement over opiods.

@PR--un4ub

2 жыл бұрын

Short-term casualties are always acceptable to libertarians.

@firstlast9916

2 жыл бұрын

@@PR--un4ub liberals killed 119,000 people by restricting beta blocker and they say libertarians are not compassionate.

@BaronVonQuiply

2 жыл бұрын

@@firstlast9916 How many people did the Sacklers kill again?

Ah to be young and naive. I miss those days

Sam has a lot of patience, coping with that caller...

Wasn't the Lockner era basically the Libertarian paradise?And we know how that worked out

Thalidomide. It's back on the market for a limited range of ailments.

I kind of agree with her on the principle of if you're dying of a terminal illness. I mean they are going to die anyways, maybe trying something that hasn't been completely tested could help? That's all I agree with her on though. I'm thinking maybe more of an exception on terminal illnesses.

How would you know it was the cause without an outside agency that tracked such things And, if you went online claiming it was at fault without having evidence you could and should get sued for slander

Well, to answer that I need to know one thing. So, there's no FDA, is there a DEA?

it seems this girl has never heard of the cost benefits analysis

15:55 Some might see it as juvenile, but I rather like the copying of the caller's "eh" in response to his comment.

government liability laws suck balls, especially when it comes to corporations. what kind of moral hazard did financial regulation create for HSBC. its a fact that companies take into consideration lawsuits cost before they make decisions on what to do.

If you can't get the cancer drug because the FDA hasn't approved it, yet, the state of Oregon has an alternative. As the Oregon Health Plan explained to a woman dying of cancer in a letter, she still has the option of physician-assisted suicide. Blue America takes care of its own!

Brilliant marketing plan from Ford executive: "What if we just tell the customers that the car might explode! Then we couldn't be sued, because we have truthfully advertised our product. And luckily no other people on the highway, who decided not to buy our defective cars, will be affected by a car exploding in front of them, so they won't be able to punish us in any way either. It's the perfect solution, where yes, there are an untold number of unnecessary deaths and horrific hours-long traffic jams, and the whole population will surely be traumatized every time they get into almost any car, not just ours, but at least we won't be living under the tyranny of an agency that regulates drugs for causing birth defects."

Property entails everything, your body, your belongings, the environment etc.

"The fool isn't the one who sells it. The fool's the one who buys it."

*A female libertarian? Is that legal?*

@penjamin5037

5 жыл бұрын

golden86 hahahahahaha. Good one mate

@democrazy69

4 жыл бұрын

I will make it legal.

Ask her about the call backs of the Apple exploding batteries..

Thalomid is the brand name.

I wanna get in on this Libertarian challenge! Who would win in a fight. Ron Paul or Carl Marx? bare knuckle boxing. go!

From what I notice if it has the word government or federal in it Libertarians say it's bad. No matter what it is.

I didn't propose anything; I said the Hippocratic oath doesn't do anything today. Licensing boards might feel inspired by the oath, but that's different. I think you don't know about physician-assisted suicide. It is legal in Oregon to prescribe a drug to dying patients to allow them to kill themselves.

I feel bad for the kids. They at least haven't lived in the adult world long enough to know any better.

Guess it'd be John Locke. The father of liberalism and inventor of tabula rasa concept.

HOLY SHIT. that was particularly low hanging fruit,.but.. REKT.

Well, if paying or bribing Dr.'s to administer your drugs is a common practice, then your competitors will be doing the same thing. But they will likely be interested in making lots of money, so they will value their long term reputation as a drug manufacturer. You don't think that Big Pharma and the FED's bribe doctors under our current system?