My N.M. roots are deep , many generations , and I identify as chicano. We are a very unique people here in New Mexico. I heard Californians call us the spanish speaking hillbillies. Their is some truth to that statement. I love my state and love how different we are from other "chicanos". Our spanish is different , our food is different , we act differently and I am very proud of that.

@BLFulle

Жыл бұрын

Too bad the Californians don't stay in California. We've are so close as a culture that those people might call us hillbillies but they'd never be welcome here. They move here but we all know they're not welcome.

@newsandviews4595

Жыл бұрын

We are not the hillbies but the first EU colonist before the English landed. We are the first.. After the natives.

@R-BURQUENO

10 ай бұрын

I could care less what "Californians" call us 🤣. Some believe California is the heart of "Mexico". 🙄

My family identifies as Spanish and since I didn't grow up in NM, I never questioned it. When I took a DNA test, I saw Spanish, Portuguese, native American, and even African on that side of my family. I always knew something was off- just never was able to put my finger on it. I had a lot in common with Mexicans around me and didn't know why. I'm really grateful for the content you put out so I can finally better understand where I come from

@sr2291

8 ай бұрын

Yes we are very mixed.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

The Spanish empire legalized interracial marriage since 1521! The vast majority of Hispanics in Mexico, Texas, California, Colorado, etc are mixed Spanish and Native American. We are predominantly mestizos! Some darker and some lighter skin! But we are all Hispanics, nonetheless!!

Chicano is a political stance. It always has been. A culture trapped in a larger one that seeks to identify with an INDIGENOUS past (Spanish, not so much). Its a chosen identity instead of a given one. Defiance. If a Hispano chooses to be proud of their Spanish heritage over a Mestizo one, that's their choice as well. I wouldn't mind Hispano so much if more people understood what it means. Makes me laugh when a Mexicano asks me "where in Mexico is your family from?" I'm a Chavez, we got here 500 years ago. There is only New Mexico for me

@Kat-fq4ei

Жыл бұрын

Chicano is a 1960s immigrant Mexican American Brown Power political movement in protest to US of A. It's too bad New Mexicans were poorly educated on our history and even college educated people allowed themselves to be influenced by immigrant Mexicans and started calling themselves Chicano. Mexicans generally identify to their Indian roots and have a conflict with Europeans. Chicano studies are influencial in the teaching of SW stolen lands along with a mythical Aztlan somewhere in the US, hate Spanish colonization, history revisionists, hate the USA, teach a non existent ancient Mexico, prioritization of the Indian blood, demeanizaton of anything Spanish and goes hand in hand with LULAC. These outsider's to California and the SW are Mexican Indian influenced immigrant organizations who could take over parts of the U.S. if they could and do not support Spanish American history in the United States even though the northern NM "Spanish" to date practice nothing Indian, have no knowledge of Indian dieties, rites, prayers, language, dances, etc. Unlike the Mexican Aztec mestizo who dances up a storm in honor of Tonantzin, better know to others as Our Lady of Guadalupe. They cover up their ancient Aztec diety with the Catholic Church and they know it. The Church knows it too, and used a story of the apparation of the image to convert thousands of Aztecs to Catholicism back in the 1500s . And our state historian wants to call us Mexican because in 1824 the Constitution of Mexico forced Mexican citizenship on us for 25 years that is, removed Spains flag and replaced Mexico's flag. We became American 1848. A Mexican is a citizen of Mexico, be they Indian, European, mestizo, Asian, Middle East, or whatever.. Ruth Barker who lived in Santa Fe back in the early 1900s took an interesting viewpoint. She stated that a Mexican (from Mexico) is proud of their Indian blood and insulted if called Spanish. On the other hand, A New Mexican (northern) is insulted if called Mexican. It's because the northern NM Inherently knew the 3O0 year homeland and identity back in early 20th century. And had no problem with a U.S. Spanish American identity. NM (northern/central) has always been recognized for it's Spanish heritage/history in the United States. "Hispanic" is a 1970 US Census Bureau, Nixon Adm term to identify persons from Spanish speaking countries regardless of Spanish blood. Hispanic has been controversial and rarely used until about the year 2000 with mass migration from Mexico.At that time, "hispanic" was popularized by USA politics and media. Americans are so uneducated in American history, they associate Hispanic with Mexican, yet Mexicans had no clue they were Hispanic and other Latin Americans didn't use the term till more recently, its a USA term and many still don't use it, rarely used outside of our borders. Same story for "Latin". In actuality folks are Mexicano, Cubano, Puerto Ricano, Felipino, Honduro etc. "Hispanic" that's what happens when goverenment entities identify you, there being no consensus on the identity of Hispanic. Especially when the only connection to Hispanic is the Spanish language which some don't even speak.

@R-BURQUENO

10 ай бұрын

Same here. But I did look in to my families heritage, my bloodline, and family records. Even though my family first came here with the De'Onate group, I still have quite a bit of family members from Mexico. (People related to me, but that I've never met). I also have quite a few relatives in Spain. (Again, never met them).

@thomasespinosa6709

4 ай бұрын

I'm agreeing 👍

@diegoarmandodelgadilloponc7879

Ай бұрын

Wow bro thant was deep 👍

@lululuvi1010

Ай бұрын

Everyone with a Spanish surname can claim they got here 500 years ago bro, because in reality we all trace our beginning to 1519 with the beginning of the conquest. Nothing uniqe about you being a Chavez and having arrived 500 years ago, one big shared experience.

This is great. I am Sicilian and we are a mix too and have Italy putting us down for being mixed. Italians came to NM to work in the mines.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

At one time from 1500-1700 or so, Sicily was part of the Spanish empire, same as Nuevo Mexico and Peru, and many other places. The Spanish took potatoes, corn and tomatoes to Italy! It’s a wonderful history!!

My Taos family, originally from Picuris, used to identify as "Spanish", though they looked mostly Indian. My Mora family identified as "Catholic" even if many of their ancestors were Jewish converts. It seemed to be written in their faces, in the instruments they played and the words they used. I don't know of another place where people have this mix, although I'd say that the Indian in my family is what feels closest to me. But even there we are split because the Tiwa in Picuris banded together with the Jicarilla and the Navajo, and went off to the Plains to run away from the re-conquering Spaniards. Really like your videos, Rob. Thank you for sharing all these gems.

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

I like how you said it. We are a brilliant mix and nothing needs to be rejected, it all needs to be accepted!

@Kat-fq4ei

Жыл бұрын

My father knew he had Indian blood, but that was it. No knowledge of who, where the Indian ancestor was. So I grew up knowing of my Indian blood, but as most northern New Mexicans identified as Spanish, not mestizo. Likewise my Indian friends grew up as Indian, not mestizo. People of Spanish descent, to my knowledge never knew anything Indian except for feast days and Indians still spoke their indigenous tongue publicly , up to just a few years ago. Of course, nobody understood them. Never held anything against my Indian neighbor, still friends. But Pueblo lands and indigenous traditions were always separated, each culture held to it's own, and no one ever went to a reservations. Asi es Nuevo Mexico... I suppose my father and probably mother had genizaro ancestors 30% DNA, (and some is from South America) who lost their heritage upon capture by "the Spanish" to become part of the Spanish heritage, Catholicized, language, customs. I personally know of some who have always acknowledged their Indian roots, but were immersed in a Spanish world never to know their heritage. Assimilation as old as history. . And identified as Spanish. Same as the Spanish or Anglo who were captured by Indians and grew up Indian in a totally different world. And today there is more mixing of cultures in NM probably due to Indiana leaving reservations and Pueblo's getting educated. I have yet to hear of any Puebo, Navajo, Apache, Comanche, Ute etc identify as mestizo, but this is not Latin America, it's NM... Usually a child of mixed Spanish/Anglo is no big deal. I view relatives offspring as the individual without classifying or viewing as different; same with Indian/Spanish or Anglo/Indian. Many see themselves of mixed cultures and it's no big deal. They love all sets of grandparents equally without politicizing colonization or race. Life was never perfect, no utopia, the Spanish abused the Indians and vice versa. but politicalization is a recent woke issue.

We’ve been in Northern Utah since my Grandparent’s days 50’s/60’s and I’ve been taught ‘Hispanic’ (of course Chicano/Mexican/Spanish/Apache all together as one title haha) my whole life. Even though a lot of us seem very disconnected up here from our N. NM roots, especially 70’s/80’s generations and later, little things like that link us back there. It’s just who among us want to remember, or, stand up. It’s very different here in Utah haha and almost like our culture and people don’t exist in the world!

Beautiful

We need more videos thanks as always from Ranchos de Taos

Thank you for a very enlightening video. The more I watch your videos, the more I understand my culture. I very much appreciate your unvbiased perspective and clearly, you are eminant;y proficient in New Mexico history. You have helped me to understan why my (Norteno) parents call themselves "Mejicanos" - I always believe we were Hispanos, similar to Mejicanos in that we share a common Spanish ancestry, but with a different Indian component. In the case of my family, it is obvious that we are esentially half Taos Puebloans. I am very proud of both my Spanish heritage and my Puebloan heritage. neither were perfect, but both were good.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

6 күн бұрын

You are 100% right! The Spanish and Native American genetic component between northern Mexicans and New Mexicans is very similar, around 65% Spanish and 35% Native American. Something like that. We are all Hispanics.

Thank you for your time

@robmartinez7517

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Rob, I am thoroughly enjoying your presentations and I'm learning a lot about a place I have always loved. Born a Tejano, I guess, I taught high school English on the border of Texas and Mexico, Eagle Pass, for eight years. I loved it and loved the kids, and the people, and it showed. One day in class during my 4th or 5th year there, I had made a remark that must have touched my class, and one of my 11th graders raised his hand, I nodded, and he told me, "Mr. Evans, you are a papaya." I knew exactly what he meant and I smiled and replied, "That is one of the kindest things anyone has ever said to me, Rolando."

@robmartinez7517

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! That is an amazing history!

I'm proud to call myself Mexican-American from NM. My dads fam is from Las Vegas & my moms side from Tijeras area. We have traced our lineage to Spain & Mexico on both sides. We are descendants of Bartolome Romero & the original Spanish families of NM. Sometimes when I'm in the Western United States like California or Texas I say Chicano & when I'm on the East Coast like Miami I say Latino. Either way I love speaking Spanish and being apart of the Latino/Latin X world.

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

@R-BURQUENO

10 ай бұрын

Bartolomeo Romero, same here. He came in with the De'Onate group. He was my first male descendant here from Spain. Romero here🙋🏽‍♂️ (I WILL ABSOLUTELY NEVER, EVER, IDENTIFY AS "LATIN(X)".....EVER. Latino? Sure! Just me though.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

@@R-BURQUENO 100%! That Latin X is pure Anglo crap! We are Hispanos!!

I am so excited about these videos. Thank you.

@robmartinez7517

11 ай бұрын

You are welcome, Alisa! Gracias!

Good discussion video. Even for the Pueblos, the absence of "indians" in New Mexico for a brief period can be attributed to how the United States perceived the Pueblos as not being "savage" enough to be "Indians", a politically convenient way to justify taking land and absolving their trust responsibility; but then later recognizing as "Indians" for purposes of federal law. See U.S. v. Joseph, 94 U.S. 614 (1876) and compare with U.S. v. Sandoval, 231 U.S. 28 (1913).

Excellent explanation of our diverse and beatiful mix. I LOVE LOVE your presentations, I learn something new with every video. Gracias!

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome! And thank you!

The people of España are and were mixed to begin with. I consider myself Multi-Racial or an American Mutt.🐶😁 I got into a discussion with a Census taker at one time.

Attempting to summarize New Mexican Ancestry is exceedingly difficult, especially prior to 1700 because of the lack of records !! Possibly, the only way to come up with satisfactory answers, is through DNA !! There has been so much mixing of bloodlines, that even this may not result in a satisfactory solution !!

@newsandviews4595

Жыл бұрын

There are ton of records. I have seen them. THey exist in Nm and in Mex and in the archives of West Indies in Seville, Spain. We only knew ours back to the 1700s and now. thanks to Robert and the Seville location we can go back to 1100s... Pretty cool!!

@sr2291

8 ай бұрын

There are parish records in Europe.

The Mexican language I learned in southern NM was highly adulterated with Apache. When I worked in southern Mexico down at Fresnillo there was a language barrier. Who knew a anglo looking half breed native American speaking a foreign Mexican language in Mexico. Yep that's Nuevo Mexico for you.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

6 күн бұрын

Mexican Spanish used thousands of native American words. Primarily Nahuatl words, like Chocolate, tecolote, aguacate, elote, etc. Mexico and New Mexico are basically the result of Spanish and native Americans mixing together for 500 years. Our culture had aspects from both Spain and Native American tribes. Although, culturally, we are more Spanish.

What you say here corroborates all I've learned in history classes at UNM and from my own experience growing up in NM . I grew up in Santa Fe, a "coyote" with an Anglo last name, so got called "gringa" alot and was looked down upon by my Hispanic peers (of whom I resembled!). They always called themselves Spanish and took great offense to being called Mexican. My Hispanic 1/2 brothers are actually very racist against Mexicans. I took a DNA test a few years back which showed that the "Spanish" side of me was technically 12% Spanish, 20% Native American and the rest was a combo of Portuguese, Italian, Jewish and Northern African. Who knew? Listening to my Hispanic family talk we are 100% Spanish, straight from Spain. Our family very proud of being in the Chimayo area since 1695. I choose to identify as a Global Child of God.

@Kon20

Жыл бұрын

I’m on the same boat other then my last name is Trujillo. My mom being Anglo. I still call myself a coyote. Everyone says they are Spanish, I always say “go to Spain and call your self a Spaniard, they would laugh at you”. We may have ancestors from Spain but our heritage and culture is different. That’s what makes being New Mexican unique. were influenced by a lot of cultures, and we made our own. Essentially a subculture. A lot of my family would get offended if they were called Mexican. we’re influenced by Mexico as well and of course natives. my ancestry DNA is similar to yours.

@Kat-fq4ei

Жыл бұрын

@@Kon20 Go to Mexico and they'll laugh at you too. Truth is we are New Mexicans, a land our ancestors with Spanish roots who toiled the soil with sweat from their brows, protected New Mexico in Spains interests against French intrusion and allied with the Pueblo Indians against warrior raiding Indians. Generally folks are oblivious to New Spain and if they understood New Spain, they wouldn't be so confused about our history. At that time 1500-1800 no one was Mexican. Let alone that the Aztec a thousand miles away from New Mexico were a "mexica tribe" in the Mexico City area, in the Kingdom of Mexico Territory, central Mexico today. "Mexico" is derived from this tribe. All territories from California to Florida, Pacific coast, Cuba, Philippines, Caribbeans, todsys Mexico, Central America were separate parts of New Spain, totally controlled by SPAIN, and subject to Spains king through his viceroy seated in MexicoCity. American nations began in 1776 with the United States. What is today Mexico gained independence from Spain 1821, another new nation was born in America... The SW was not involved in Mexican independence or political dynamics between Spain and Mexico City and surrounding territories, at that time, they were all different parts/territories of New Spain. After 1821, the young Republic of Mexico claimed the SW territories which were too far and difficult to finance as were other territories too distant (parts of CentralAmerica) and disconnected to young Mexico's heart and core Mexico City and surrounding areas, that was the real Mexico. Florida and up to Louisiana by then 1821 were United States lands, each with their own histories and peoples. Our ancestors did not come from Mexico as there was no nation of Mexico prior to 1821. Our ancestors had already been in the Kingdom of New Mexico Territory since 1598 so New Mexico 1560 predates Mexico 1821 by over two centuries. Our ancestors were varied, some European, some native, some black. . Some did not come as mestizo from that part of New Spain., many of our indigenous roots are from this part of New Spain, today's SW which was not Mexico back in the day. Keep in mind this was early New World, folks just off ships going to wherever life took them, some stayed in Mexico City or other territories in those areas of New Spain, some came to NM Territory, some headed for Peru. Nevertheless, the European was not ancestrally from New Spain. SPAIN controlled the religion, political climate and even Spains heritage especially where there was little mixture between the Spanish blood and Indian as in New Mexico. Spain never considered the territories/New Spain to be Mexico. Most of the SW Indians here had little contact with the Spanish, they were unconquered and resided far off away from Spanish colonies;. others lived separately as with the Puebloan who lived in close proximity to the Spanish. The Spanish had great influence on the Puebloan that to date the Pueblo remarkably still call us "the Spanish" after 400 years. It's not the Spanish blood, it's the influence/culture Spain brought and the colonizers preserved. Mestizo is not culturally NM. You hear mestizo now with history revisionist's. First of all, the Navajo, Apache, Ute etc were unconquered 100% Indians. .. They were never converted Catholic as the thousands of Aztec in Mexico City who were conquored by Spain to become a mestizo culture. . The conquored Pueblo in far off Territory of NM were allowed to live separately in their ancestral lands and retain their language/religion , we're influenced by the Spanish. Yes, the Spanish ate SW food and leaned local culture, typical in society for centuries. There was some mixing but never to the extent as in other parts of New Spain. The Spanish here preserved their heritage. There was no early Spanish colonization in southern NM during the SW Spanish Colonial Period ending in 1821. The immigrant Mexican is a different culture easily distinguishable from northern NM. They are not from the United States and never had roots here. Southern NMs generally are Mexican American, holding no tradional claim to Spain, whose families migrated to border areas after the Mexican War, establishing border towns along with Anglo Americans who began coming to the border SW areas at the same time. Mexican American from border areas to below Socorro have ancestral ties to Mexico. Unlike central (from Socorro) to northern NM, ancestral ties are to NM and Spains strong hold in the area for three centuries prior to Mexican migration.. . Mexico goverened NM for only 25 years, with Mexican CITIZENSHIP and for whatever reason some New Mexicans still identify as Mexican. There were also people from Mexico who came to northern NM about the 1880s, married local Spanish families, assimilated and became part of the northern NM Spanish culture. It has long been recognized that a Mexican will not tolerate anything Spanish. As well as the NM Spanish will typically not identify as Mexican. Mexican is a citizen from Mexico as outlined in Mexico's 1824 Constitution of the young republic, and governed under it's flag. Mexican is not a race. Generally folks innately know their inherent roots, and identify to their homeland. Take the indigenous native, they know which is their inherent tribe and ancestral land. The statutes to Spaniards Onate and DeVargas are US American, heros in recognition of NM founder Onate; and the reconquest of NM by DeVargas, both connected to New Spain, under the strong stamp of Spain in NM. The patron saint is La Conquistadora with ties to DeVargas during Spains reconquest. The historical La Fiesta de Santa Fe is in her honor or at least it was until the Anglo changed La Fiesta with parades, parties, zozoba, and brought Mexican Mariachis early to mid 1900s. . The Pueblo as US Americans, who don't dare identify as Mexican, also memorialize their hero with a statue of Popay, a revolutionist indian leader during the New Spain era. . All our ancestors lived in an ancient era of violence of an unforgotten past. No one or their peoples were innocent. Strong ancestors, all fought for survival. And we are US Americans since 1848, not Mexicans. Northern New Mexicans do not have statutes in honor of Mexican hero Hidalgo or Mexican dictator Santa Ana,, or even New Mexico's first governor under the Mexican goverenment, long forgotten, whoever he was.... These were figures during the Mexican independence era 1800s; neither do we celebrate Mexican Independence Day (from Spain), we don't even know the date, a date imbedded in the psyche of every Mexican, . . That's about how much we think of Mexico's governing us for 25 years. . Mexico's patron saint is Our Lady of Guadalupe, revered by the Aztec for their goddess, Tonantzin, of whom Spanish northern New Mexicans are totally unaware of. New Mexico is in danger of loseing it's cultural identity and heritage to mass Mexican migration while we New Mexicans sleep through it all....

@Kon20

Жыл бұрын

I got you, thanks for that detailed break down. I mean I can’t identify with Mexico at all. I’m New Mexican not Mexican, and we are losing our culture and heritage slowly especially our language dialect. Can you tell me where you got this info from or what you studied? I would love you to know.

@Kat-fq4ei

Жыл бұрын

@@Kon20 You most likely will not find a book with all the information I provided. I've been reading and informing myself on NM history for over a decade. Marc Simmons "New Mexico an Interpretive History" is great if you're not familiar with our history. It introduces the reader to the different periods throughout our history and easy to understand. Simmons is a well informed NM historian. Other historians are John Kessel and Myra Jenkins and others . NM history is NM history so you will many times run into the same information by the different historians and run into new information. Native New Mexicans have also written books containing much the same info. The SantaFe Public library has volumes of documents written by the Spanish going back centuries. "Guadalupe Our Lady of NM", Jacqueline Dunnington is rabbit hole into Guadalupe I believe because it appears she had no personal knowledge on the difference between northern Spanish NM and Southern Mexican NM. Cortez brought Our Lady of Guadalupe from Spain to New Spain, the Church introduced her to the Aztec early on about 1530 who in turn sort of converted their Aztec goddess to the worship of the Spanish Our Lady with help from the Church in the conversion. Historically the Catholic Church has converted many pagan practices by using a familiar religious image in the conversion to the Church. Mexicans retain the Aztec tradition in the worship of Tonantzin; while northern NMs are pretty much oblivious to this, yet they both worship her the same, one as the Aztec Tonantzin and the other as the European Our Lady of Guadalupe.... An issue was raised by our people about 2000 at the Folk Art Museum by a Mexican artists painting of Our Lady of Guadalupe in a bikini. I would start with the book I suggested and you may want to go on from there. Its important to keep New Spain in mind to fully understand the era; SW history records the Spanish Colonial Period ending in 1821, not the Mexican Empire or government. Generally except for the unconquered Indians, Spain was the Empire and controlled all, the Church, the funds, explorations, language, infrastructure etc, there was no Mexico 1519-1821. This was followed by the 25 year SW Mexican Period ending in 1848. Also beware of Chicano Studies, they are not in the interest of our history. The mindset is Mexico and demoralizing the Spanish and our history, while promoting the Indian. "Chicano" was started by California Mexican immigrants, Brown Power politics back in the 1960s. We northern NMs are not their culture nor do we share immigrant history.

@yaztha01

Жыл бұрын

​@@Kat-fq4ei la joven república de México jajaja( la reina María Cristina de Borbón dos sicilias cedió Texas,new México y alta California así como el norte de México a México en el tratado de santa María calavatra) en diciembre de 1836 y le dejaron en claro a usa que no se puede anexar las tierras de nueva España nunca.mexico reclamo con el uttis posideti iure los territorios de nueva España,porque México es nueva España que solo cambio de nombre

Soy Hispano Nuevo Mexicano tengo la sangre de los Reys en el Norte España Los Navarrese y Los Apaches aquí y Los Judíos antiguas también. ¡Qué Viva! 🕎☦️🕎⚔️🇪🇦🇮🇱🇲🇽🇺🇲⚔️

To me people can identify however they choose, if they want to call themselves Latino/Latina or Chicano or Hispanic up to them. I identify as Hispanic but I really prefer just American because my family story is American. I can trace my ancestry on my dad's side to the beginning of Mexico, my great great grandfather going back over 500 years ago Pedro De La Cadena Y Maluenda was a Basque Conquistador of former Jewish ancestry who was the commissary of the Cortez Expedition. Since my family has been in the America's so long my ancestry is mostly Spanish since my mom's family only left Spain just over 100 years ago but I am also Portuguese, Basque, a little Italian , a little French a little native American and even a little English and a little North African due to the Moors. What I love about our country is that there is no typical American, everyone is different.

@nunyabiz6925

Жыл бұрын

I have Martinez in my lineage and i have a similar ethnic mixture. I am castiza by the casta system. Most folks think im Italian. Lol

@DavidMartinez-xh4ye

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabiz6925 do you know if it's Romero Martinez? I have been able to trace a Catalina Romero Martinez born in 1620 in Santa Fe who I believe I am related to. I say believe because trying to do research on my Martinez side has been a little difficult. My Banuelos De Onate side has been a lot easier since both families were minor nobility so I can trace back to Spain over 800 years ago. Since both my great great grandfather's were 2 of the 4 founders of Zacatecas I am related to many of the original settlers to New Mexico. I totally hear you about being called Italian haha, do you ever get called Greek either haha.

@DavidMartinez-xh4ye

Жыл бұрын

@yasmin1261 I never claimed to be fully Spanish I am also Basque and Portuguese. I like how you assume, you know when you assume you sound like a ASS to you and me🤣

Hey Robert. Can we find the article and response you mention in this video anywhere? Also my mom says Hi from Mora.

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

I assume you refer to Eusebio Chacon's response, see pages 13-22 of The Language of Blood by John Nieto Phillips.

@arlinasanford6171

Жыл бұрын

@@robmartinez7517 Found it. Thank you

"the original census said White, Black, or mulatto." 😮

I know me chante means my house. Do you think it comes from the word shanty?

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

Could very well be, though my understanding is it is a Mexicano word. Still, may have that similar root.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

7 ай бұрын

No, “chante” comes from the Mexica/aztecs! Most words that end with a “te” are of Mexican/nahuatl origin. For example “chocolate, aguacate, telocote, coyote.” All are of Mexica/nahuatl origin but now incorporated into Mexican Spanish . There are thousands of such words in Mexican Spanish.

What is a coyote in regard to census?

@robmartinez7517

9 ай бұрын

Coyote in colonial times meant a person who was 75% Native and 25% Spanish. In modern times, it means a person who is half white and half Hispano.

@kellyburson7978

9 ай бұрын

@@robmartinez7517 thank you for the prompt reply. I remember my mother saying people called her a coyote when she was young and that her father spoke in a strange language when he got drunk, which all makes Sense now.

Just keep in mind, the Spanish empire and Catholic Church legalized interracial marriage since 1521! The Anglos didn’t legalize interracial marriage until 1967!! Be proud of your Hispanic people and culture!! Viva la Hispanidad!!

@robmartinez7517

7 ай бұрын

I am proud! And of our Mexican heritage. That interracial marriage you mention means we are mestizo, mixed blood and culture. Only people from Spain are Spanish, we Americanos have been mixing for centuries, through many generations.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

7 ай бұрын

@@robmartinez7517 you’re right, I am also mixed race, Spanish and Native American. We are Hispanic! We are children of Spain and the canonic church. Our culture incorporates primarily Native American and Hispanic traditions. Which is a beautiful thing!

@robmartinez7517

7 ай бұрын

@@user-tm5em4vu7u Yes, a blend of Celtiberian, Phoenician, Greek, Roman, Visigoth, Muslim Moorish, Sephardic Jewish, Spanish Catholic from Spain, and Mexican Indian, Puebloan, Navajo, Comanche, Apache, Hopi, Genizaro! And American! Orale!

@user-tm5em4vu7u

7 ай бұрын

@@robmartinez7517 amen! I really liked your videos! You are very educated and know our history well.

@robmartinez7517

7 ай бұрын

@@user-tm5em4vu7u Muchas gracias! We have a brilliant history here in New Mexico.

Thanks to New Mexico I discovered my grandfathers ancestors were crypto Jews... From Jalisco

Portuguese from Madeira.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

My dna test says I’m 4% Portuguese. 😂 I think most Hispanic people have a little Portuguese.

@sr2291

2 ай бұрын

@@user-tm5em4vu7u Many of the famious people from New Mexico came here from Maderia not Spain. They were Spanish who went to Madeira in the middle 1400's and some of their grandchildren stayed in Madeira and some went to Nuevo Mexico.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

@@sr2291 that’s cool bro. Learn something new everyday. You live in Nuevo Mexico?

@sr2291

2 ай бұрын

@@user-tm5em4vu7u Yes. A lot of people from here are my cousins. lol

@user-tm5em4vu7u

2 ай бұрын

@@sr2291 that’s pretty cool. Did you do your dna ancestry test? I have thousands of relatives in Mexico and the US. Even in random places I didn’t know about, like Utah or Idaho or New York.

My grandpa always told us, we are Spanish to not let them say you are not. He was right. Genetically we are.. But with the 60s movements and 70s we proudly caled us Chicanos as kids. Now i say Hispanic.. or if really want to listen, I say Spanish American with Native Dna and i will take the time to give a short history.....

@user-tm5em4vu7u

7 ай бұрын

Do a dna test, the average Nuevo Mexicano is mixed race or Mestizo, Spanish, Native American, from either New Mexico or Mexico. Most New Mexicans I’ve met looked like normal Mexicans to me, mestizos. Very few looked fully European/spanish!

I think Rob overrated casta system, this was more relaxed than he explain. There was no problem for intermarriage and there is indigenous, mulatos nobles.

'spanish' 😅

All the terms are correct except for LATINX

@R-BURQUENO

10 ай бұрын

Exactly.......they can take that term and ........🕳️

You see the Anglo-Americans went to the SW in the 19th century,both the Mexicans and the Natives didn't create railroads or any type of technology there so that's they called them "savages."

@robmartinez7517

Жыл бұрын

Mexico had railroads starting in the 1830s.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

7 ай бұрын

The “Mexicans didn’t create any of technology.” What? Are you mentally handi-capped? Lol. You can’t possibly be this stu-pid. 🤦‍♂️

You are wrong. Never existed a "casta system" within the Spanish Empire, It was a ESTAMENTAL system ( Aristocracy, Clerecy, Army and Populars) from the begining until the end. The pictures of "castas" just was an enlightment work for the classification the society such a biological event and mixed, but on the other hand shows a rich society with all the people whithout race distintions are healthy, well dressed with good foods.... the ESTAMENTOS were the same for penisulars Spanish , american spanish, Indian spanish, black spanish, mulatos spanish, mexican spanish ....all of them were spanish people inside their ESTAMENTO each one, but there were mulatos or indians such Doctors, Captain or Priest, there were aristocratic indians and poor peninsulars ... So, the race never was a level mark for the spanish people.

@user-tm5em4vu7u

6 күн бұрын

100%! Arriba el Imperio Español!! Viva la Hispanidad! Desde Alta California, Nueva España!! 🇪🇸 🇲🇽 ✝️ ❤️