Lesson 4: Hospitals, Surgeons, & Disease on Titanic
Titanic and steamships of the era took precautions to prevent pandemics.
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The Frauenthal gag is a little bit of an inside or meta-joke how people could never pronounce my name :-P (DeWinkeleer.) And Violet is getting a little nervous that Evelyn might have a better story...
@xaderp
4 жыл бұрын
You must have Flemish roots 😊
@titanicman9329
4 жыл бұрын
For a minute, I almost thought you were gonna say Doctor Freud.
@jmpl_aaren
4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering why Violet was there 😂
@AndyHappyGuy
4 жыл бұрын
I heard that there was another person besides Violet Jessop who was on Olympic during the Hawke collision, Titanic when it sank and Britannic when it sank. His name is Arthur John Priest and he was a stoker. is this true?
@frankydman
4 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was "Dee-Wink-Ler" (Like saying "sprinkler") Have I had it wrong this whole time?
Nice of Captain Smith to convince the surgeon that nothing bad would happen to Titanic
@jamesfracasse8178
4 жыл бұрын
What if the Corona virus 😷 broke out on the Titanic?
@JoelMartinez-ts1hr
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesfracasse8178 They would turn it back to Southampton.
@justinlynch3
4 жыл бұрын
@@JoelMartinez-ts1hr They would not. Medical science back then wasn't what it is today. Titanic would finish her trip, those showing signs of sickness would go hospital and the rest would be let go, likely causing a mas spread of the virus. Back in the 1910's I doubt they had the ability to tell that people with corona don't even start showing signs of illness until have the virus for weeks.
@overlandtoshore
4 жыл бұрын
Joel Martinez was your nickname taco in school? I had a buddy that was named joel and went by taco
@JoelMartinez-ts1hr
4 жыл бұрын
@@overlandtoshore lol nope not me.
Just gonna say this that picture at 2:11 is just amazing.
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
agree
@garymurphy3870
4 жыл бұрын
@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial Sure is. what is the name of the ship closest to the camera ?
@garymurphy3870
4 жыл бұрын
guessing the furthest one is Olympic
@nevinhedley1797
4 жыл бұрын
@@garymurphy3870 I believe they are, from the left, the Homeric, Olympic, Berengaria and Aquitania
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
@@garymurphy3870 RMS Aquitania one of my favorite ships
Hello Matt, Tom, Kyle, and the rest of the team. Been a long time fan of the project. Hope you all are safe during this coronavirus. Take care and stay safe.
Just to clear up the whole 'Surgeon/Doctor' thing - the terms have always meant the same in Britain as they do in the USA, and that applied in 1912 as well. Surgeons do surgery (cutting people open, to be blunt!) and Doctors are physicians who do everything else. But it's traditional to refer to doctors onboard ships as Surgeons, regardless of their qualifications or speciality. The root of this goes back to medieval times when those who treated diseases, illnesses and other complaints would qualify with a university degree, thus becoming a Doctor of Medicine. There was no similar qualification for surgeons, and surgery was usually performed by barbers as part of their profession since they had the necessary skills with sharp implements (this is the origin of the traditional red and white barber's pole - as also fitted to 'Titanic'...). In the Royal Navy they had more need to treat physical injuries than medical complaints, so ships would carry Surgeons rather than Doctors/physicians. The Admiralty would assess your skills and knowledge and, if you passed, would award you a warrant to allow you to work as a naval surgeon - you didn't need to be a Doctor of Medicine. Therefore the vast majority of 'medical' staff on ships were Surgeons, not Doctors, and this became the traditional term for any medical practicioner working aboard a ship. This remained the case even when the requirements were changed and ships (naval and merchant) would carry a qualified medical Doctor - he was still referred to as the 'Ship's Surgeon'. For years it remained the case that British Surgeons were not 'proper' doctors - they didn't go to medical school, they didn't qualify as Doctors of Medicine and so were not titled as 'Dr. [Surname]' - they were always 'Mr. [Surname].' They went to a surgical college and were considered more like specialist tradesmen rather than professional Doctors. That didn't change until the 1950s when surgeons were given formal status and required to qualify as Doctors of Medicine before completing their surgical training. In the UK (and other Commonwealth countries) it is still the case that surgeons will drop their 'Dr.' title when they become fully qualified and go back to being 'Mr.' as a tradition and sign of status - if you're in a British hospital for an operation and your surgeon is introduced as 'Mr.' (or 'Ms.' you know they're at the top of their profession. The Royal Navy still calls its medical officers 'Surgeons', even though most of them won't be surgically trained and will have any number of other qualifications. It seems that the modern descendants of the traditional British shipping lines like Cunard and P&O now use the term 'Ship's Doctor', presumably so as not to confuse or worry passengers when they're taken to see 'The Surgeon' just because they're a bit seasick! The Titanic's Surgeon - William O'Loughlin - and Assistant Surgeon - John Simpson - were both qualified medical Doctors, rather than actual surgeons, despite their job titles. I'm not at all surprised you slipped up on this; it's really complicated! But I hope that's explained it...
@Bryzerse
2 жыл бұрын
Yes I hoped someone else would realise!
Such a fitting topic right now. EDIT: Violet Jessop's cameo at 5:11 made me laugh.
Really like the shot of Olympic at 9:22 The kids staring out and the one looking back. One has to wonder what became of them.
@andyblackpool
Жыл бұрын
WW1 a lot of them I'd wager poor buggers
"The ship's surgeon found diarrhea spreading everywhere in steerage" - presumably that means among patients, and not just across the deck or something...
@chrisinnes2128
3 жыл бұрын
Omg I hope so
This was a very interesting topic. I never knew this information about the doctors on the Titanic.
I wish these videos were uploaded more regularly! These videos are amazing!
@triplescrewsteamers
4 жыл бұрын
They are, every Monday at noon eastern time...
@anormalcommentor9452
4 жыл бұрын
@@triplescrewsteamers *more regularly* not on a schedule
@triplescrewsteamers
4 жыл бұрын
@@anormalcommentor9452 oh
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
why are you wishing more than the game and hello agian
@anormalcommentor9452
4 жыл бұрын
@@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial d
**Sickness related videos on youtube caused by COVID-19 intensifies**
9:22 Imagine how amazing it would be to see that
Dr. Frow - En - Tuhl (tuhl pronounced like "u" in thunder and frow as in frown get's you pretty close to it. Actually since it is a German name that was probably anglicized a bit of an English accent is fine. Doesn't have to sound perfect. I know nobody cares but since I speak the language I might as well add the comment. Great video, been enjoying this channel a lot.
I enjoy these videos. I have read tons of books on the Titanic, but I didnt go in depth with the background, so thanks for including the historical context. It really helps and made sense.
I used to work with Jim Pain. He was the great-nephew of Dr. Alfred Pain.
You know this is the best online school ever!
Love this video-- both the good light humor and serious discussion of Titanic facts as the ship and its era resound strongly for me as an artist and local historian. I have a couple of KZread channels and appreciate the time to set these up. Thanks! ------Justin Higner
Doctor and surgeon mean the same thing on this side of the pond as they do in America, sometimes a Doctor's office/clinic might be referred to as a surgery but its not as common today.
Thanks for posting! I had no idea that Titanic had such a big hospital on board, or even a hospital at all
What great info! I hope this channel grows!
I have always wondered about this topic and I finally know.
11:13 You can see the Great Eastern taunting some smaller ships
I, and I can’t stress this enough, f*cking love this channel.
I look forward to new vids in TU. each one is extremely informative. The narration is awesome! Keep up the good work
@shaynewheeler9249
Жыл бұрын
Pandemic ventilators
@shaynewheeler9249
Жыл бұрын
Pandemic ventilators
has anybody seen the Tugs episode quarantine. and yes Tugs was a tv show back in the 80's that was set during the 1920's
@user-yo3wt7hf5w
4 жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about that episode a lot lately during all this.
@milkmanchristian9859
4 жыл бұрын
Love that show
@internerd91
4 жыл бұрын
I loved Tugs.
@frankydman
4 жыл бұрын
Great show. shame the studio went bankrupt though; David Mitton reportedly had 96 further episodes written and ready had there been another season
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
i never expected the titanic community to know this since it is a sister show to Thomas the tank engine
Great video, looking forward to the next one!
After Titanic sank, construction was halted on Brittanic to make safety improvements. Also, Brittanic is slightly larger then Titanic due to some design changes. But before Brittanic could go into passenger service, it was ordered to be a hospital ship during the war
@cliff9685
4 жыл бұрын
Davin Peterson and still she sank in like 15 minutes! Granted the ship was blasted open with a mine. Titanic at least lasted a few hours.
@davinp
4 жыл бұрын
@@cliff9685 The blast caused at least one of the watertight doors to be opened. The reason she sank so quickly is because all of the doors and portholes were opened when she hit the mine. This was against the rules.
@cliff9685
3 жыл бұрын
@Railfan 765 ah yes, I think I was mixing up my Lusitania/Britannic sinking times. Didn’t Lusitania sink in 15-20 mins?
I love seeing the parts of the ship we dont see often. Esp the blue prints!
I really like the style of these videos
Hey Titanic university, I love what you are doing with this channel, I have a suggestion for a future video. What would happen if another rescue ship (not the Californian but any random ship) happened to get to Titanic in time while she was sinking what would the rescue procedure look like? Or to simplify things so you don’t have to go into all of the “what if’s” maybe you could just narrow it down to what a rescue procedure would have looked liked during the early 20th century.
I’d love to see what they had about police or security on Titanic!
@criticalhard
4 жыл бұрын
I was wondering the same.
@AndyDuphresne
4 жыл бұрын
kinleyd01 I think he’s looking for a video with more info than a single sentence my dude
@Dallas_K
Жыл бұрын
Officers and crew.
Very interesting. Thanks for the amazing channel.
Matthew. You should do all the THAG videos. You are entertaining, down to earth, not patronising and have such a nice way about you. Thanks for another great video.
I'm in love with these! I thought I knew a lot about titanic. I was wrong 😂
Dr. Frafenenelo nailed it
Another great video lesson! Stay safe, Titanic U pupils!
Surgeon is no longer a general term for doctor in the UK; it hasn’t been for a while. However, surgery is often used as a synonym for clinic.
*We had issues with a ship that was let here into Australia "the ruby princess" 21 dead and over 660 infected with covid-19 as a result of the ship docking in Sydney*
Surgeons in Australia are exactly that surgeons , with the MD in the states those are known as GP here in Australia ( GP= General Practitioner )
@Bryzerse
2 жыл бұрын
It is the same in the UK and everywhere else in the world to my knowledge, it is just on ships that doctors can be known as surgeons, the video just had it a bit muddled
Wow! Just wow. This is amazing. Thanks for your hard work and putting these videos together. You have a great talent and we (the world) get to enjoy (as I eat my 3rd Class dinner currently...) Keep up the great work. PS: Would love to learn more about Captain Smith and Bruce Ismay. What are their life stories, I've always wondered?
Nice use of the clip from S.O.S. Titanic, where Irene Harris falls down the Not-Grand Staircase.
@NorthWestern1919
3 жыл бұрын
@Railfan 765 When you're so cheap, you film your Titanic movie on-location, and pass off some random fancy staircase as the Grand Staircase.
@NorthWestern1919
3 жыл бұрын
@Railfan 765 True.
One of the main things that the doctors did was to assist people with minor eye injuries. It was common for small burning coal embers to emerge from the funnels. These were of little consequence most of the time, but could cause a painful injury if they landed in an eye. These were colloquially referred to as "eye-drops", and were also a problem on trains.
This channel is gold 💖
@shaynewheeler9249
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@shaynewheeler9249
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@shaynewheeler9249
Жыл бұрын
Titanic engine cylinder engineering room
I’m an engineer in the Royal Canadian navy, and to relate, sickness spreads on ship quickly. Even a standard cold and with doing the best cleaning stations people get sick. In a mess with 18 other people, just carries on to the next, then to the other messes and so on.
I believe in 1905 assessments were done on the steamships to measure the conditions in steerage, with Cunard and British steamship companies getting a high grade for taking good care of steerage passengers!
At 11:16 min Oh look the 5 stacker at the pic. Its the Great eastern from Mr.Brunel!
awesome ! more videos !
I laugh very much at the video of the end. When I saw it first it was hilarious.
Hey now I know more about connections between the Titanic and Wisconsin. I wasn’t aware of William Minahan. I do know of the Crosby family.
Excellent video. In British usage, it's only on board ship that a doctor is called the surgeon (a throwback to barber-surgeons?).
@Trek001
3 жыл бұрын
Indeed it is A friend of mine is a Doctor in the Royal Navy and although official reports refer to him as Doctor, by traditional he is called Ship's Surgeon
Such and interesting subject !
Freunthal rhymes with "Boy in ball" But you gave it a good shot! LOL
Frauenthal "Frau-en-thall"
@Turiargov
4 жыл бұрын
More like "Frowentull".
@AlexandruCarjan
4 жыл бұрын
Throw the towell
@Turiargov
4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexandruCarjan Owl skull
wow you really know the titanic
I'm confused. In the part with Evelyn Marsden there is a picture of Titanic nurse Violet Jessop? Oddly enough, they both have identical stories, as both survived the Olympic crash into the Hawke.
Isn't that the SS Great Eastern in the slide at 11:15? It's the only paddle steam ship I know of with 5 funnels.
definitely still an English thing to say you are "visiting the Doctors Surgery" basically that just means you're going to a General Practitioner (Dr's Office in the USA I believe). much as we would say surgery in the American sense, it's also quite common to call that an operation here, so "going in for an operation" instead of "going in for surgery" (although that term is used)
Visiting doctors still exist, here in Belgium, but only if you are gravely ill or just unable to get to the practice.
I wonder if John Hugo Ross was the man that was witnessed trying to help launch a collapsible as the ship took its plunge .The man was wearing just a singlet .Sounds to me like someone who had rushed from their bed at the last minute .
For an ocean liner to get a pandemic inside, would be awful to say the least. Thinking about it is truly humbling compared to what we're seeing now.
Learned so much today! And also, a passenger did fall down the Grand Staircase right?
@thejagotishow
4 жыл бұрын
Doug Ross Correct
Two questions for you: 1. Did the staircase dome on the Britannic also cave in when water got over it? 2. If the Titanic never broke in two, how would it look and would it make the stern section more diveable?
@captian1000
4 жыл бұрын
If it never broke I’d imagine she would have snapped on impact at the bottom. Over all the stern would be in better shape but I feel like there would be more damage to the bow, more weight behind it when it impacted.
Imagine how lucky the people who failed examinations were...
4:07 in case anyone is curious, $6 back then was worth the equivalent of around $162 today.
Can you do one on the purser and what their role was?
Important question? First Class and Second Class were exempt because they were considered healthy? Also, would having a lazy eye prevent you from sailing on Lusitania, Olympic, etc?
The video says that during the epidemic on the Virginia dispatches were sent about the problems on board. Since there would have been no radio how did that happen?
@joshhiggins4723
4 жыл бұрын
I caught that as well and have the same question
Can you do a video on her interiors?
Hi, first of all, great videos. I've already watched all of them. Second, when can we expect a new demo version of Titanic Honor and Glory? The last one on site is version 3. Thank you.
@thejagotishow
4 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Fellipe There are no new demos coming, Demo 3 will be the final demo until the release of the game.
@gabrielfsd
4 жыл бұрын
@@thejagotishow Oh, got it. Any guesses when the release will be?
@thejagotishow
4 жыл бұрын
Gabriel Fellipe Two years from point of investment
@Titanic University What are the four ships pictured at 2:08 the obscured 5th if you know it -- I think I recognize a few but wouldn't presume. Thanks!
@wizardmix
3 жыл бұрын
@Railfan 765 Thanks!
So... is there a story behind the hunched-over old lady with a giant mustache in the bottom left corner of the image used at 11:20?
I rather not ask of those other people's health that way of sickness or injuries (gross) on those ships. I hope next week's video post will do.
Just to clarify what you mentioned regarding surgeons.In the UK and Europe,a surgeon has the same meaning as in the USA.They perform surgery in a hospital,in a theatre.A doctor in the UK works from his office which is called a surgery,just to confuse things.
@TitanicUniversity
4 жыл бұрын
Oh boy, my head's spinning now.
@ccalthrop6347
4 жыл бұрын
Members of parliament also have surgeries. Though I assume, no surgery takes place ;)
7:45 so he went down with the ship?
@TitanicUniversity
4 жыл бұрын
Yes. Sadly John Hugo Ross' body was never recovered and it is often believed he died in his cabin.
So if the padded room was sometimes used as the ships Brig shouldnt have James Cameron put Jack in there in his movie after he was arrested for suposedly stealing the jewel or am I wrong & he put him in the correct room that Rose went to & rescued him from.
The violinist playin' makes me fell very sad.
Dr.Henry fren......that sounded really hard to pronounce....
My dad still makes house calls yes he’s old school
Well, might as well go on a Titanic H&G binge.
@shaynewheeler9249
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@shaynewheeler9249
Жыл бұрын
Happy 🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃🎃
... and wash your damn hands!
@wubber33_23
3 жыл бұрын
XD
It's really strange how the hospital is forward of the 3rd class surgery because surely they would've had to move the patient's through the 2nd class areas to get there
Could really use some belief in humanity presently. I read Jack Thayer claimed the men standing on the upside collapsible lifeboat due to never leaving the wreck site witnessed the death of those in the sea and at that time sang "Nearer My God to Thee", explaining why the lifeboats heard two different songs last, Autumn and Nearer My God. Thayer claimed the band lost footing and drowned after playing Autumn but the men clinging to to the lifeboat subsequently woefully sang a hymn after the sinking.
The electric "torch" would have had to plug in to a socket as the storage battery had not been invented at the time.
@philipcarli3718
2 жыл бұрын
Dry-cell "D" batteries were invented in 1887 and went into mass production in 1896, with the first tubular "electric torches" appearing in 1899. They became commonplace when they adopted miniature carbon-filament bulbs in 1904, so they were standard police and marine officer issue in 1912, replacing the traditional oil-lit "bull's-eye" lanterns used heretofore.
5:36 sounds like a german name so ill help on how to say it " frow-en-tal"
fr-ow-en-thall. i believe it's German.
How did a guy with dystentery get let on!!
I like how everyone thinks this pandemic is like no one before, pictures from the 1918 Spanish Flu could be easily compared to today.
We don’t call doctors ‘surgeons’ in the UK. A surgeon is someone who performs surgery! Doctors don’t do that... but yes the place you go to see your GP/Doctor is the doctor or GP surgery.
Isnt that Dr. Frauenthal?
05:30 How to pronounce "Dr. Frauenthal" : Dr. "Frow (rhymes with "how" or "now") - en - tall".
@shaynewheeler9249
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Japanese pizza
@shaynewheeler9249
Жыл бұрын
Japanese women
what happen to RMS Olympic and Mauritania during the out break of Spanish flu
(12.Jun.2020) *00:12* such as covid-19?
6$? That’s like 160 dollars now!
@FreedomLovingLoyalistOfficial
4 жыл бұрын
back then dresses used to cost $3
It´s funny to see that you struggle with the german name of Dr. Frauenthal. XD If you ask me how to explain to pronounce it right in german, I would say it sounds most similar to Frow-en-tall spoken as one word together. Just if that helps somehow. :P
lets pause for a moment to remember those who fought over toilet paper and caused viral videos on the internet.
2nd comment perfect timing for the situation
@anormalcommentor9452
4 жыл бұрын
4th*
Disease infection
Being caught as a con artist in that day of age is practically impossible unless you're totally incompetent. So good job, dr.con man.
CNN be like: new evidence finds the Coronavirus came from Titanic.
@prairiedoggy1
4 жыл бұрын
Halfway Goodgaming - Really a stupid comment...
@thetireless1812
4 жыл бұрын
The point is that it’s supposed to be stupid
Disease in 3 ciass