They should make a game called "Legumes Imperialis" where you play as an Agri World farmer optimising vegetables crop yields to support either the Loyalist or Traitor armies. An army marches on its stomach after all.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

I'd play that!

@kaibe5241

8 ай бұрын

bahahaha. How about they make a LITERAL beer & pretzels game, to go along with their game design ethos ;)

@andrewbakescakes9684

7 ай бұрын

The spice must flow! Wait, wrong universe. Uh.... Let there be ... corpse starch?

I don't mind the mixed box at all, it feels like this game lends itself much more to mixed forces armies than 30K or 40K would.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Awesome! Yeah I think most armies we see will be mixed.

@kaibe5241

8 ай бұрын

Yeah the way detachments work, we'll see a lot of that - particularly in larger games.

It really does just show how ungodly whiny any online community is that they take such a tone of moral outrage when the game gets delayed, like shit happens, stop crying over the fact you have to wait some. Afford GW the same patience you’d expect from your own boss when some extraneous circumstance rears up Just in general the sheer moral highground they think to assume over a bloody luxury hobby about tiny plastic soldiers makes ‘em look like the spoilt jackasses what they are

@storm6661

9 ай бұрын

I do hate when people complain about the price of rulebooks. Anyone who doesn't want to pay the premium (completely fair, it is a lot) should just be pirating and if they really need physical, printing them afterwards! It's as simple as googling most of them. It's almost your own fault at that point.

Not worried about the delay, I figure it is a goal towards a better product (at least I hope), and I am not part of the instant gratification crowd. Cost-wise - well it's GW, this is the hobby gamer's equivalent luxury, if you are money-crunched then your issue is GW in totality. Mixed-release minis in the box are OK, not a huge fan of mandatory options - but having said that it is (1) nice to have options and (2) hopefully Solar Aux can compete on the field so this arguably is the beginning of two competing forces in the box, then finally (as you state) this promotes mixed forces, which is honestly in-line with how I expect many large clashes in the Heresy were. Finally, the expansion - kind of sucks, but hopefully between the two books we get a robust force listing and the expansion does get released rapidly. I've been waiting decades for GW to return to the scale and rules for the dark future of war that really promotes the scale of games that feel like - well a War involving masses of tanks, troops, and in this case meaningful options with Titans and Knights. Not dooming this game till I see it, and even then I have options.

Me as an Australian, at the current Adeptus Titanicus price point im not even bothering to consider the new epic . As much as id love to get into it

I want to run solar auxilia and already have a buddy who wants to swap so he can run demos using two similar space marine forces.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Nice! We need more Solar fans out there!! Also those tiny sentinels are SOOOOOO cool.

Great video, agree with everything you said here and super excited to finally get my hands on the game! RE: Solar Auxilia and Marines in the box - there's supposedly a special detachment that allows you to mix and match the two so you can field the box set contents without needing to dig into your allies pool

I'm already feeling priced out of this game, and I live in the UK. No idea how you guys in AUS/NZ can tolerate the mark up - hopefully you can find a way to make it work that doesn't involve re-mortgaging your house

@lonelystrategos

9 ай бұрын

The only sensible way to play this, if the price predictions are correct, is to 3D print everything and only buy the rules from GW.

@motorbikekultofspeed1094

9 ай бұрын

@@lonelystrategosThat’s prob ably the path a lot of people will take. The potential cost of this game is concerning. This game is supposed to be for big battle but I don’t know if many people will be able to afford to play the game in the spirit of the size it should be played.

@ScreamingTc

9 ай бұрын

@@motorbikekultofspeed1094 Unless there's a way to naturally build up to that point - 'skirmish' style games which can be played out of the box (with a few extras) - it's going to kill the game out of the gate. I have a few hundred quid saved up specifically for the game, but if I'm then going to need an extra £500 to play a full game then I don't see the point in buying in. I might as well pick up a copy of something like Dystopian Wars and go with that, instead.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

It's a tough life but we struggle on! Sure would be nice if GW let UK stores ship their product to Australia still... alas... Usually the mark up isn't TOO bad. But every now and again they really try and screw us. I still remember the Titanicus release 😒

@geeksworkshop

9 ай бұрын

@@lonelystrategos 3d printing drop pods and heavies for sure, unless they are reasonably priced.

I'm really looking forward to the game. I'm alright with delay as long as we get a great product. I'm not opposed to rules books with additional unit rules. The only thing I don't want is crazy hardcover books.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Oh man. Those books are going to be so hard. And so covered 😋 I love a hard covered book but do miss the good old days of soft covered cheaper rule books.

The problems I see with this game is as follows: 1. The cost is absurd, even by GW standards. 2. It's an offshoot of a game they've already shown lackluster support for (Heresy) 3. The 3d printing scene will provide people with what they need long before GW releases everything at a fraction of the cost. I get why GW is hyping this up; they use hype cycles to drive preorders. But that's all they'll get; initial hype followed by silence or a few releases and then silence.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yep. All valid. But at the same time. They've taken a risk and released a niche game that the older community has been requesting the return of for a long time. It is what it is.

Nobody tell him what edition 40k is on

@volcano3493

9 ай бұрын

42nd , isn´t it?

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

ahaha, only one person in the whole comments section said ANYTHING! 🤣

Very informative video, thanks for discussing it P.S. I would like to thank you so much for you always positive mood and approach, I love it so much, I want discyssing the hobby with chill buddies, not eat salt with a spoon like it happens on Out.. another channels... Love the channel and your personality

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! I try to keep it positive without being over the top. So glad you're enjoying the channel ☺

Also, cost-wise, give me a superb game that I love to play, with gorgeous minis, allowing me to spend hours of play and modelling - then I am getting a bargain. I've spent a lot of money on war games and units that I've barely ever played - that is wasted money. If this game is fun then the return on cost is there; I fail to see how the weight of plastic computes to cost-effectiveness; the return is in time played and fun experienced.

I like the mixed box. if you want to play both, you can use both, if you want to use one or the other (im going for SA) you can just flip the other half of the box.

@onerollbattles

9 ай бұрын

Agree on this, also good for meta balance. A big issue with 40k is it everone has he supper elites in powerarmor and nobody has the regular guys normal guns are made to kill, some editions got to the poit you may as well not deploy 9/10ths of your squad and just say you have a plasmagunner with 10 wounds.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

For sure! And mixed armies are going to be very popular I think.

I think once you get 4/5000 points you might not need another purchase. Especially if you have an existing titan and/or aeronautica collection

Why would it be so expensive? I know it's GW, but this range is a fraction of the plastic and material costs. Even if they stick a premium on it, I'd be shocked if they slapped so much profit on that nobody buys it Basically killing the game's popularity before it begins

@simonchalmers6377

9 ай бұрын

I have heard multiple times the cardboard boxes the minis come in cost more to produce , cost per unit than the cost of the plastic in them, so material cost is not a factor

@TheAlterspark

9 ай бұрын

Honestly it's basically greed. They design these sculpts in a program and then scale them down. I could do that in 3d builder for free

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

@@simonchalmers6377 thats just not true, or else GW's profit margins would be astronomically higher.

@simonchalmers6377

9 ай бұрын

Their profit margins are very high as it is, on a par with luxury goods brands, 30+percent there are very few businesses that command that sort of margin sales 2022-23 445 million GBP profit 170 million GBP

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

@@simonchalmers6377 of course, but 35% is relativley small compared to what the person above was suggesting, that their selling their products at like 100x the cost of production.

On Legion specific units: I'm not sure how much distinction there will be between similar units. For instance, at this granularity I see little reason to distinguish tacticals, seekers and recon w/ bolter, besides models. For Warmaster for instance pretty much all the Empire's melee infantry is rolled into a single statblock. Many Legion specific units may be absorbed by this.

This game is almost guaranteeing the rise of 3D printing. It’s almost crazy that GW doesn’t use this as the vehicle to test the possibilities of 3D printing and delivering product through files or some kind of portal

@maxwilliams1060

9 ай бұрын

Products, plural. they will release more than one for sure.

@uwesca6263

9 ай бұрын

Why selling stl files? Those files would be in the internet weeks before they get official releases and then everybody could use them on official tournaments and such. I also dont think that a 3d printer is worth it for a lot of people. Its another hobby and it takes time to set up and stuff. This is overkill for someone who buys a box every couple of months. Also (atleast in germany) buying 3d printed models aint that much cheaper than the original ones. A group of pseudo "Dkok" cost me 30€ while the official ones cost 35€ all while having higher quality and weapon options instead of monopose.

@simonchalmers6377

9 ай бұрын

I can see printers in store , go in , pick your models , pop back later , pick them up

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeah it'll be interesting to see how GW addresses 3D printing. I daresay this game will nudge them in a direction towards doing SOMETHING about it.

@LSgaming201

8 ай бұрын

​@uwesca6263 It really isn't. I bought one on a whim and had it working within a couple hours and was printing models the next day. It really isn't that hard.

I'll give it six to eight months and see how supported it is. I have a sneaking feeling that after the initial splash, we will see spotty support. Look at Aeronautica and Titanicus. I have lots of money invested into these games. I love them, but having $1000 worth of models sitting on the shelf that never get played because no one plays the game is kind of a bummer.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Oh man. I have so many armies sitting on shelves... But yeah. I'm only expecting a few years of support. So keen to make the most of it while I can. And keep playing post GW calling it. At least when a GW game is dead, GW can't stuff it up anymore...

Could you link where you found those HH epic scale models?

Still excited & being patient. Core box is hopeless so I’ll get two & sell all the solar in the spare box. I hope the whole range pretty much drops at once & at volume. Maybe two separate boxes would have worked with only one Warhound?

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Love it! Volume will be key. I would hate to be buying at a mark up from scalpers. That's when the game would be in real trouble.

I think what me and my friends will end up doing is playing tiny scale heresy, making lists that we simply couldn't afford in the larger scale. For example, I'll never get round to painting a 3k list of all world eaters dreads in 28mm. It'll never happen because of time and money. But I could paint up a dozen tiny dreads and play them with the 28mm rules.

I'm going to wait and see. Not going to buy into it at launch because I have no idea how well the game is actually going to play, how difficult it will be to paint that scale (I'm a very slow painter as is), how much it will cost to play the army I actually want to play rather than what's cheapest, and what kind of support it will have. At the end of the day, it's GW's job to convince me to buy into the system, rather than on me to get myself hyped, and there are a lot of things giving me pause.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Very fair! My favourite time to play a game is on release, for a few reasons. But this is certainly a risky one. I'm expecting support to dwindle after a few years, but I'll take what I can get in the meantime and move to community supported material after that if needed.

Unfortunately my way of avoiding the absurd costs is just not taking part at all. I'm very satisfied with the HH2 ruleset and Titanicus and still in love with collecting for both those games and looking for more support for them.

@kaibe5241

8 ай бұрын

HH2 is one of the worst rulesets I've played... that game is so overly complicated it's a joke. Titanicus though is fuckiNG MWAH!!!

I am curious about the price of everthing. Anyway if this happen to be in a similar price range thanvother starting boxes ~150€ than i am in. Even if i will not play it. The models look good and i want to recreate some battles from the books as a diorama. If i invest more on it totaly depends of the prices. Overall i am more happy than not.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Very balanced of you! In the end. They're bringing back a system that people have been asking about for AGES. Even if the release is awkward, it's still a win in the long term.

I plan on playing smaller games, and I also plan to play with a 50%/50% or 40%/60% ratios, to get Titans on the board. a 1,000 point game would be 500+ points of troops which is almost twice of what comes in the starter box.

I'm already out, drip feeding army lists and rules for maximum profit, its disgusting. Its not hard to do it right, 1 rulebook, 1 loyalist army book and 1 heretic book. Don't need another bookshelf after the bookromunda debacle.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

why would they split it betweeen loyalists and heretics, theres a tiny amount of difference.

@mrdelaney4440

9 ай бұрын

​@@jervoiseit worked great for HH 2.0, why would you drip feed unit choices to customers, Why should we need to buy 3 overpriced books just to build 1 army?

@motorbikekultofspeed1094

9 ай бұрын

This is what has turned me off from both 40K and Kill Team. I don’t understand how one player gets his rules on day one and another has to wait 2 years to get rules. An example being crusade rules in 40K 9th edition. My buddy played Marines so he had rules quickly. I played Chaos Marines so had one wound marines and didn’t have specific crusade rules for quite a while; not fun.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

@@mrdelaney4440 well for one, horus heresy has way more differences between the legions, so LI doesnt require 2 different books for legions. the issue thats highlighted is that unlike HH there arent that many units, and GW doesnt like to print rules for units it doesnt sell. its not great, but you can use battlescribe and other means to learn the rules if you dont need the books. eventually they will probably compile the rules into singular books, once most of the models are out.

@ScreamingTc

9 ай бұрын

It's the fact they're mixing unit types into the boxes that gets me.

It is a hard deal. You can start AT with a starter box and maybe with an extra Warlord. And you have around 1500 points, rulebooks, etc. It is an amazing start for less than 200 euro. I mean you can have a lot of fun and options with that. And the minis are massive there. We will see...

From a production standpoint, it might not be feasible to make the molds at this point for the Legion specific units.

I think epic has potential to bring more people into the hobby but there going to everything in their power to make you not want to buy it.

In all your costings, you don't include anything for any terrain, part from what comes in the launch box. Will that be enough for most gamers?

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

I didn't realise there was terrain in the launch box!? Yep! That's another cost!! Add a few hundred for that too!

My biggest concern is longevity, i think. Honestly ill get the models and buy in pretty hard, but if it dies on the vine in my area the models will just occupy a shelf next to my Warmachine and Guild Ball. That said, i like the pretty little minis and my area is pretty stoked. A lot of the 40k crowd here have stopped buying for the big scale so they can jump into Legions full tilt. I sont care about the delay personally, as i didnt want to try to buy in during August and the family trips, etc. At least now i will be in a better position and able to plan for this expensive purchase a bit better.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeah August was definitely too early for me too. Still busy playing Shatterpoint! My mates and I still really enjoy playing WHFB 8th Edition. A system is only dead if you let it be 😄

@eby5456

9 ай бұрын

@blackbriargaming5483 true enough, I keep my models because they represent a lot of work. I've a backlog of Crisis Protocol to get through as well, which is more popular than 40k in my area. But tiny 30k has a lot of heads turned and I think a fair few of us are glad we got a little more warning it was coming than originally planned.

While I would prefer they spread releases out to reduce the crunch on my wallet, I guess they probably wanna get all this stuff out of their warehouse so they can make way for next year's releases (The Old World, AoS 4th edition etc...). Hopefully management doesn't see all this delay and say "it's a lost cause just move on"...

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

It's a real threat! But yeah I think this will be dropped on us in quick time. A bit daunting but at least it gives us options. Hopefully it doesn't also affect the scale of production...

Have we seen the price of the box, i haven't seen it anywhere myself so it'd be nice to know

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

We have not! But... lots. Is probably the answer.

@theepicspacemarine8684

9 ай бұрын

Most definitely, even if it's fairly priced for GW products, you are gonna need so many things

Jeez, if everything everyone wants was in the book it would be ridiculously big. A couple if special units for each of 18 legions is a huge amount. Maybe later.

I could believe the problems with typos and proof-reading, if the 10th Ed rulebook and codices are anything to by. I don't think English is their first language (to be kind), or they didn't finish high school (if I were to be unkind)

@onerollbattles

9 ай бұрын

I'm supper dyslexic so know how easy it is to make mistakes. But I'm im producing something people will pay for I can fet it proof read for £5

I ordered 1 of everything except titans, tiles, knights and flyers. My buzz waned a little but the prices (UK) are surprisingly reasonable and I want huge battles not skirmishes so investing here instead of 28mm heresy is a win 😃

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Love to hear it!

Only thing i dont like is the 30% limit on allied detachments. Just say 1/3rd. Makes it much simpler

I definitely was interested but when it was pushed back I've lost interest I started up flames of war instead

wanted to add that battle scribe is hot garbage and has been a dead program and unsupported for some time now. The community lists are mostly wrong for other games and require you to cross check things in order to make sure you are playing with the right stats. Not recommended, and a bad idea to steer people that way. I'm sure there will be a free LI builder someone will make available not too long after the game is out, so id just wait for that.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Oh wow! Didn't realise. The Heresy list builder works just fine. I assumed it was good across the board. Will keep an eye out for any LI builders.

I think yer wrong. I think LI has been in the works since AT dropped and Covid slowed it down. Some are saying GW won't do this, but I have no doubt that AT and Aeronautica were test balloons for LI. LI is going to be a bit cheaper than what you think it will be. I'm sure the plan is to expand 40k regular into 8mm scale. What better way to get people to buy all the stuff they have already bought. Legions of Riptides and Primaris marines coming to a gaming table near you. And at LI scale you can build out an entire chapter of marines.

Is it going to be snap kits or do we need to glue them like the older kits?

@blackbriargaming5483

8 ай бұрын

Glue needed 😊

I'll use the models tpo play other rulesets such as Battletech but not only if they start to racket us.

Honestly still excited about the game. And much like you I am worried about the prices. However, i will still pick up one or two boxes when they drop. Kindly note, this game will not receive enough support. And it will not be a core game. it is too odd and costly a scale. that is why you see so few people flying Warmaster, or the old Epic games from GW.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

i think this game wont recieve 40k levels of support, but i think that will be "enough"

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

It will indeed be an odd little duckling. But we shall love it anyway.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483 hopefully this game wont become plagued with the same bitterness thats hit HH

I don't have very high hopes, even though Epic was my favorite GW game ever. First off, GW tends to give up on their non 40k/Fantasy games after a short time, even popular ones like Blood Bowl (and look how dirty they do Space Hulk). Second, the rules look far closer to Epic40k than Space Marine/Titan Legions, which basically turned into "push your entire army into the center of the board and roll a ton of dice on turn 2, GG". Third, the game doesn't have much visual appeal unless you REALLY like the current look of Horus Heresy 2nd. I think a lot of Xenos players aren't even going to look twice at it. I hope I'm wrong and this takes off at my local shop, because the feel of putting entire armies on the board makes for a great game.

Hypes gone for this, was a few of us at my local club that were looking forward to it and now none of us are bothered, the amount of heresy Thursdays theyve done showing us what we cant buy has just drained everything

When these starter sets come out I just buy 2 games workshop are alway generous with contents before charging more for separate box sets

Could be worthwhile using them as replacement for 28mm scale games

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

This is definitely a thing! I was actually thinking of doing battle reports like this for a while using 3D printed tiny miniatures. But now here we are.

@Jezza_One

9 ай бұрын

That would work fine. I have played a 6mm 30k game and an 8mm Epic Armageddon game before now.

Cool.

My 3D printer has gone BRRRRRRRRRRRR more than the money printers at the Fed and Treasury Department in the USA!

I panicked when you mentioned prices. It's still rough in the US, but that's crazy in Australia. Sorry my man.

@Sun_Catcher_Prints

9 ай бұрын

I am planning on grabbing the starter box (250 US maybe?), the knights box (150 copium) and the titan box (150-180 copium). I got a bunch of marines and rhinos off ebay for a good price. The rest I will print and pick up boxes as my budget recovers.

Honestly i find table size to be too small so i dont think maneuvering is going to factor in :(

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

For sure! Bigger tables. Smaller armies. That's my plan 😊

Also, I think unique Legion unit rules would be, not necessary - at the Epic scale, these units would likely not have the numbers or impact large enough to be truly different to the core unit types. Don't need them, don't want them. Folks can potentially 3D print the 'elite' models and field them as core units that look unique (as you say, minimal impact, we both agree). Primarchs - well them I do want to see, I do expect them.

@storm6661

9 ай бұрын

I like the idea of painting with the schemes of specialist units, but just as flavour. A justaerin squad mixed in with normal sons of horus termies hot dropping from a thunderhawk would be amazing looking, add an extra degree of detail and epic/narrative to your army. but I agree, most legion specialist units just won't be different enough at this scale. At most you could maybe make it a unit points upgrade, add a keyword or two, an extra movement inch or better CAF. If you were really set on adding them.

I was already out when GW didn’t go all the way with a full 40k Epic game. Then I had second thoughts because I want to support their specialist games - but this expensive strategy made me hold on to my first thought… and it’s really a shame…

@kaibe5241

8 ай бұрын

I wouldn't worry - far better games and rulesets out in the market. Like... 10x better.

I know some people don't like Solar being added but the mirror matchups - lack of diversity gets old quickly (IMO) so having a completely different range from the start is a +. This is amplified as the game probably won't have the unique legion specific units or at least won't for awhile. It was a knock I had when my friends all wanted me to get into HH (which I did). You were forced into trying to acquire the unique legion units for some degree of diversity (whether expensive FW, local who makes 3D printer go brrr or someone in China - Russia).

So ima be honest I want to field a titan and a ton of tanks and do combined warfare.......my hype wont die o,.o. I will probably due just space marines but I like the idea of having SF and standard infantry

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Having a game where I can play tiny titans WITHOUT having to get real complicated is nice. Simplicity. All about it.

Gotta say, I'm not gonna get into it before we get other Marines than beakies, probably still way later due to life.

I have quite a few Titans, love them

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Nice! Gonna get some tiny tanks to go with them?!

@marcmiddleton2277

9 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483 if they release the game 🤣

@marcmiddleton2277

9 ай бұрын

I got a 3rd party land raider last year and cut it down to put under a Reaver titan foot

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

@@marcmiddleton2277 😂😬

I’m here to spread salt, Australian, and we keep getting shafted on this release, I was just informed by my local game store that the valdor and spartan release is now indefinite in Australia, on the day pre orders go out. I’m actually so mad at Gw for this disgrace. I literally have to buy these products from flippers in the states for double the cost. Complete shame on Gw and now I’m seriously concerned that this game has already died before even growing a single leg. I’m mad. And we deserve better

@blackbriargaming5483

6 ай бұрын

Maaaate... I'm hearing ya.

@chadh0nkleton774

6 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483 I’m sorry I was quite mad at the time of writing because I had just found out whilst listening to your vid, I have a lot of titanicus minis and it’s the only game aside from heresy I’ve played in a decade, I just feel so betrayed and sad over it, I know it’s just toys but it’s all I had going for me rn and as an ex gw employee I feel I have to say something about their current state of affairs

I didn’t want to buy in, been playing AT / SM2 / EpicA since the start. However, I thought I can either whine and complain that its not in my beloved 6mm or I can forget my dislike of GW and just think back to my younger self getting excited and saving for a Shadowsword for SM2. It’s going to cost an arm and a leg but you don’t need it all right now, take your time and enjoy the journey of building a whole army, not just the glorified squad you tend to have in larger scales. Your first point about smaller games is a great one and something that local stores should embrace. The mix of Solar and Marines in the starter is just the way an Epic scale game should be, its all about variety in the smaller scales. I think a lot of the whining about special units and the like is from people who come from 28mm. At this scale your fancy ass chainsword or whatever isn’t worth a fig when you’re facing down a Volcano cannon and your whole detachment is going to get annihilated. The trick with LI is going to be about changing your expectations and perspective as a gamer, Its not better or worse that the skirmish sized games most people are used to, but it is different. So I hope people open their minds and get excited to try something new (old, seems that a lot of the rules are at least inspired by the various versions of Epic). The original EpicX games along with BFG / Mordheim we’re the best, most enjoyable GW ever produced and I hope they can make LI work with the community

If they would price it to be competive and as a means to suck people into the full size games, they could make a killing on selling alot over fewer for higher price.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeah and they usually do. Will be interesting to see what that core box is priced at. It'll make or break the game.

li should be a 3d printable game gw should design their own stl and sell it them selves with rules no one is buying 10 models for £80 or more

In the absence of a One Page Rules game in this scale I'm working on my own simple rules.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Nice! Yeah I'm actually considering doing my own fan-based rules for Legion units and releasing them through videos on the channel.

having a 3d printer feels nice right now

I’d personally prefer to wait for a better product than get a rushed shitty one

The cost doesn’t come from the design and tooling; the cost comes from GW being a publicly traded company and the primary goal, if purpose of a publicly traded company is achieving growth every single cycle. If that line isn’t going up, investors sell. So the prices will always be going up while the quality and value will always fall. Public trading is death to any creative company.

I love your videos and I don't want to be overly negative but this didn't convince me to be any less critical of this game, and that's in no way your fault. $1500 AUD or £780 GBP for an army is ridiculous, especially considering the size of the models, and GW are going to keep pulling this stunt as long as people let them. The key phrase you used was "not outrageous for a Games Workshop game". Other people design models and manage to not charge us extortionate amounts for the privilege, regardless of their height. Similarly if the only reasonable way to play the game is to pirate their models (I am a 3d printer, no judgement here) and use free 3rd party software to use their rules, that's not a good game or company. GW either need to make better business decisions or be less greedy, but either way this comes down to: Games Workshop need to do better. I'll keep watching your videos (cos they're great!) and I'll get hyped for heresy but I'm out of epic. *exhales* Ok, done ranting, thanks for coming to my TED talk and I will cease being a negative voice from your comment section

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Mate! Always bring your thoughts and feelings to the comments! It's good to see people's concerns, means I can address them and maybe add a perspective they hadn't considered. If you're not personally attacking me (there's been a few 😅) then I'd definitely rather you speak your mind. I've got enough positivity for both of us ☺ And thanks for the love!

@kirbyrawstorne

9 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483Aw, thank you! And yeah, love your videos, even when it's something I wouldn't normally be interested in. You make 'em, I'll watch 'em

We won’t see primarchs. The game isn’t about heroic actions, it’s about entire armies laying waste to others.

@blackbriargaming5483

8 ай бұрын

Ha ha, BIG CALL!

Tbh i was never going to afford at GW release prices. But the unit rules being dripfead is turning me off further. Also allready hints at rules being needlessly complex and confusing eg what units can target what enemys wit AT, light AT etc. etc. when could just be a tickbox.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

3D print away brother! 🥰

Box of 2 warhounds use to be like 55-65 US, they are like 75-85 US now.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Probably inflation's fault 😉

your right on the money in aussie dingo dollars, Primark's are confirmed , i am hoping that because its a smaller size than the big box sets so im hoping for 360 to 380 ( im wishing) the price of the expansions are the problem if there too over priced or milked for money its the problem , lastly GW will follow the money so i can see them bringing out rules and such for each chapter in time , option 3 is a mix , you buy what you can support the game and buy the prints where you cannot ., oh 40k is 10th edtion

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Primarchs are confirmed?! When? How?! LINK ME!!! And thanks for clearing 40k 10th up 😁 Worst GW Fanboi ever.

@Kreated_by_khaos

9 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483 no links mate just a conversation i had with GW, , i made metioned that i would love to see the primarks turn up in Legions and i the reply was oh geee ummm wouldnt that be awesome , but later , to me thats confirmed

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

@@Kreated_by_khaos good enough for me! 😅🥰

@Kreated_by_khaos

9 ай бұрын

@blackbriargaming5483 my page has more info but I'm sure you have your own sources :) Aussies rocking it

GW thinks they have one quote from a "controversial" people/organisations? Not seen the rules, but a game at a different scale, with marine focus of the setting , but mire then half the box not being marines? Not exited. And if they spread the factions over 12 minths, it will suck. 2-3 books per player and spread releases smells of new necromunda.. also 800$ for an army , when similar games cost between 1/6th and 1/10th is INSANITY.

Had they made them in white metals, they would problably have been cheaper, funny enough. I usually buy a 30pack of 6mm scale minis for 5 dollars.

Given that the vehicle’s exist in larger scale already and digitally would they not just reduce the sculpt and maybe adjust where need be, I can’t see much needing to be done from 100% scratch. As for the you can only fit so much rules in the book… yeah I’m not buying that 😂 calm down on the fluff and wasted space and fit what you need to play a good game from the get go. Still looking forward to it though.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. Look. It's pretty loose 😅

who still dosent know battlescribe exists it mandatory by now

If your pricing is accurate the game will not be populated by current official models. Which will kill it

Look at Adeptus Titanicus , you try and get hold of a Titan , normal retail pretty much impossible including GW direct , heck even E-bay they are as rare as hen's teeth unassembled and boxed

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

thats a temporary thing as they get reboxed, and will likely be back in stores soon. before they were sent off getting a titan was pretty easy.

@simonchalmers6377

9 ай бұрын

I hope so

@ScreamingTc

9 ай бұрын

Definitely happening. GW is going to keep Titanicus around, but Legions is going to be the main focus.

@gozewstuffnthings5837

9 ай бұрын

They've already said it is why they aren't on store etc yet.

@simonchalmers6377

9 ай бұрын

@@gozewstuffnthings5837 Thankyou , I will be honest I got the core box , a couple of Warlords and a couple of boxes of knights for Xmas last year and they proudly sit at the top of my pile of shame , the new Epic stuff has of course resparked my interest and my motivation to finally get my Necromunda finished ( except they have just released a new book and models bastards ) that and I ideally would like to bite the bullet and get an airbrush before painting the titans ..and Lord Kroak is cool ...and the Carnevale stuff from TT combat , and some of the infinity , Ghamak , malifux , Warmachine , dystopian wars etc etc etc etc etc but my head titan legion will not go away until i have the boxes sitting unopened in my back room and it was starting to look even more expensive than normal

I was interested in it as an expansion to titanicus. After reading more of the reveals it really is a total different. Gonna pass and stick to Titanicus and heresy.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. A much simpler game. You could always combine concepts from the two games if you have the desire.

Its going to be a pump and dump. Rather they just focus on 30k and 40k at this point.

printer go brrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Army for like 30-40 bucks

350 $? I'll pay 200 € maybe 220€. More than that and 30€ of Resin it is.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Lol. Australian dollars. That's like 10 Euro 😋

I can’t wait to play this on Table top simulator 😂

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

It should work really well hey! Smaller scale seems well suited.

I'm not sure if they are going to do legion specific units for exactly the reason that they are tiny and there isn't alot of room in the stats to make a difference and adding a bunch of keywords would make the game bog down for low impact infantry. One way that they could add more flavour would be to give each legion the ability to choose between 3 or 4 legion traits or like a trait that can be applied to one specific detachment to represent an Elite unit within the force. That way you could get flavour and a way to represent special legion formations at a scale that would be meaningful for the game. As for the price mostly being in the tooling and design over the actual physical plastic, I agree the solution to give more value would be to just add more to the box, maybe your 80 dollar drop pod box has more than 4 drop pods in it but like 8 or 12 so you can run a bigger force and you are not spending 20 dollars per tiny drop pod. it won't happen but a person can dream. Anyway thanks for the video adressing concerns, I think there is alot of cool stuff in this edition, I just wish gw made products in a way that stood a chance to grow our community and bring more people in.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

i dont think there really will be much for legions. maybe in the far far distance we might see special formations, but its nice to see the legion stuff toned down at this scale.

@dirtyhandskev

9 ай бұрын

Came there to say this : if the cost goes into design and packaging, and the plastic is not a major factor in cost, then you could just include more plastic per box to up perceived value. Second, we definitely will see legion specific units. The game has certainly not shied away from crunch and detail (you will be able to pick specific weapons per tank and glue them on) so no way they tell you that your angels tears and just regular assault troops. I imagine it is part of their plan to slow drip feed the game over the next 5 years to say they are "supporting" it.

@jervoise

9 ай бұрын

@@dirtyhandskev the tanks have options, but its 8 or so options combined into 2 big options. look at justaerin, they would be terminators, with 1 extra CAF

@dirtyhandskev

9 ай бұрын

@@jervoise point still stands. If you can pick out sponson types on a tank the size of a quarter, they won't tell you to paint or convert (a hilarious proposition fyi, the content creator here obviously hasn't done much in this scale) your regular terminators to a specialty squad. They will be released later, and they will come because 30k fans will want them.

@Lupercal210

9 ай бұрын

They mentioned in one of the articles that there will be legion specific units in resin from FW.

I hope they have made some changes in the new box.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

As in changed the core release box around cause of the delay? Nah, it'll just be the rules they edited.

@geeksworkshop

9 ай бұрын

@@blackbriargaming5483 Yeah, I guess so. Not having any transports is a problem. The game looks great, but the older boxset was way better.

Pricing is going to kill this game. The starter box is acceptible if and only if you have a mate who wants Solar and each buy a box. After that though every box being at least 50 dollars US is going to cause everything after the first wave to not move. Some of thr boxes might be ok but i think it will quickly look like you are building armies out of like 50 dollar blister characters. 40k and AoS only get away with there costs as they are the really popular games and get the huge network of players. Battle games are big commitments in time and money and this is gw's what like 5th battle game (40k, 30k, AoS, MESBG) add in old world. I also think that this game could easily be not very good. Gw is actually not great at the game side of stuff and this games rules seem to make it very slow to play coupled with their love of just wiping stuff out might make for a lot of wasted game play.

Why buy into it when GW is just gonna drop support for it within a year or 2. I'm just holding out for Mantics Epic Warpath kickstarter early next year.

@geeksworkshop

9 ай бұрын

So the poundland version that you have to fund yourself and wait 18 months to receive. What a joker

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Just cause support dwindles doesn't mean a system doesn't have value. My mates and I actually love playing WHFB 8th Edition cause GW can't stuff with it anymore. Am excited for The Old World though...

An oh my God orks at 8mm scale lol

I don't think this game will sell well enough to get multiple expansions. Every shop has a guy that 3d prints. And the ease and cost saving will be big to anyone who is interested. The fact that they are going to stagger the rules for the units is only gonna shun people away. The rules are going to be fine and fun, I expect the game to do really well and popular. But I don't see it selling well. I don't see even the staunchest gw whale spending 500 dollars on a grand army, when he sees his buddy at the club with a bigger army in mk2 armour with legion special units and way more tanks than him. 500 dollars for gw models. Or 500 dollars for a 3d printer and some resin? How will that work out, I wonder.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Yeeep. 3D printing is hard to argue with. It's about balance to still support the company (flawed as they are) that writes the rules and lore we care about.

Sorry bro. Sub-assemblies are the only way to go ! !

Cant wait to start 3d printing once the box comes out and we can get some actual sizing. Sorry GW, i spend enough on 40k ,not dropping 40 bucks on 5 tiny bikes or bases with marine lumps.

3D printer go BRRRRR!

3d print

I already have all the toys. I’ll just be buying the rules and counters.

Computer games get releases pushed back and it's ALWAYS good. GW doing this is a GOOD thing. Chill peeps.

@mrdelaney4440

9 ай бұрын

Modern computer games are trash. Either pay to win or pay for half to buy another half later 😂

@maxwilliams1060

9 ай бұрын

@@mrdelaney4440 As much as I love looking back at old titles and thinking they were amazing (I had an Einstein) Modern games are bloody amazing in comparison. I've gone from playing 'Chucky Egg' to Cyberpunk 2077, that's one hell of a leap...

@arandomlostsoul753

9 ай бұрын

Not always, just look at Duke Nukem Forever. A longer development cycle does not guarantee that the end product is better.

@gozewstuffnthings5837

9 ай бұрын

Not worried about the delay - that's life. The issue is, because of the delay, multiple lines of product runs have coincided and people have finally worked out the pricing, the seperation of rules for the forces which woulda have meant a few more pages in the book and everyone is worried about longevity.

@blackbriargaming5483

9 ай бұрын

Love a call for chill! The delays was better for me timing wise anyway. If this came out in August I'm not sure I would have had time to get in!

I think youre way fucking of with youre pricing predictions.. 80$ for a few tiny predators? Get realistic.

This is typical GW be turds. They have done this over the last few years. I'm out.

If it’s gonna cost 1500 for epic that kind of defeats the whole purpose. For example, Warhammer space marines eliminators *cough *cough. An absolute scam for $60 for three figures that’s why a lot of people are looking forward to this game and if it’s $80 for two tanks, the size of your fingernail that’s a waste.

3D printer go BRRRRR!