"Chump blocking with Emrakul" is a phrase I never thought I'd hear in all my years of playing Magic.

@Doabarrelrole

2 жыл бұрын

At the time of this comment, I'm still watching the deck tech. I am now VERY interested in the rest of the video. 🤣

@ladiesman2048

2 жыл бұрын

Been there, done that, had to block Marit Lage token with Emrakul in a legacy tournament

@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544

2 жыл бұрын

@@ladiesman2048 as an elf enthusiast I've made my opponent chump with emmy before but I haven't done it myself

@robspear03

Жыл бұрын

Happens a lot actually.

I really appreciate that Syr Konrad is an actual horseman.

-Hardcast Emrakul -Chump block with Emrakul -Get a mill win -Play against an opponent on a roadtrip -Blind name Force of Negation off of Cabal Therapy So many achievements unlocked in this league.

Me and the Bosh and roll community on our way to give ‘ponder the orb’ a new meaning

That game round 3 was amazing. Emrakul vs Marit Lage, as Garfield intended.

@Mosethyoth

2 жыл бұрын

And then the Brazen Borrower Beatdown. That's what happens when the Decks have to focus entirely on doing their thing and beating the opponent's thing so Magic just becomes what it basically would be and the better simple thing wins.

@AIMLESS-NAMELESS

2 жыл бұрын

Clash of Titans

Brainlet combo players: "I have a, I have b therefore I win." Gigabrain combo players: "So I know that I will win, but figuring out when can only be calculated in factorial time, you may have to sit and watch me win this game until time itself ends."

@Pendergast891

2 жыл бұрын

you have described eggs, yes

@newtpondskipper

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pendergast891 glorious eggs!

@eamongamin

2 жыл бұрын

'Dormammu, I've come to bargain'

At 22:27, I think that's the first chump blocking with emrakul I've ever seen.

@saphired02

2 жыл бұрын

Yea that's my first time 2.

@timw9745

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Telling a emrakul into play for chump blocking duty is beyond epic

The reason fabricate didn’t do anything is that you put it on the bottom of your deck twice and boarded it out in every other game. This was my favorite video you’ve posted by far.

"Is this a Show'n Tell, Combo or Mill deck?" Yes

@Fyrefrye

2 жыл бұрын

Just like my favorite (casual) deck of all time: agro, combo, mill using Maze's End (5 color + combo kill... never really happens), Doran the siege tower (and other cheaper versions of the effect), Phenax god of deception for mill, and the enchantment Hold the Gates to glue the whole toughness-matters-with-gates strategy together. The rest of the deck was 1-2 cost creatures with high toughness to block/stall until a win con was in play. Favorite bit of spice: Slumbering dragon. Terrible card in most situations because it rarely can attack or block, but it's TOUGHNESS is still available for mill, opposing creature decks are sometimes too scared to attack you for fear of waking it up, and it gets better in multi-player casual settings.

✔️ Omni-Tell Emrakul juke ✔️ Hardcast Emrakul ✔️ Narcomeba Machine Gun ✔️ Literal Mill 4 Horsemen? More like the 4 Win-cons of the Cheese-pocolypse

You said "a positive record with four horseman in 2020". That feeling of time the stood still and that its actually still 2020, I feel you man.

I loved learning about these niche history lesson of magic- like this and the wall of roots "in-between turns" combo deck. You also mention that it was invented only " a few years ago" but I'm pretty sure that it was at least in 2016 or earlier.

@Cowter4

2 жыл бұрын

Can you elaborate on the wall of roots thing?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Time is a construct and I am ancient.

@emerson685

2 жыл бұрын

Efffff. You're right... 2016 was not "a few years ago." Getting old is lame.

@jfb-

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cowter4 There was a time in the rules where there was an "in between turns" step; in order to make an errata for the card time vault work. However a side effect of that is that wall of roots, which can make mana "once per turn", was able to make infinite mana during this step since it wasn't a turn.

@idlemindedmage6925

2 жыл бұрын

@@jfb- ah. Good old "Wall of Boom" combo.

The way you said "Force of Will, Ancient Tomb and Ponder" in round 2 I was almost expecting you to follow it up with "walk into a bar."

Though I love your serious leagues with Bant+, this was one of the most fun leagues to watch! I was seriously laughing here by myself on multiple occasions, and I really love the full sideboard juke. Would love to see more decks that leans into those mind games!

You do not know how happy I was to see the hardcast Emrakul

@dragonephobe3257

2 жыл бұрын

AND the mill win?? You madman

@idlemindedmage6925

2 жыл бұрын

That was absolutely beautiful. And then watching the two giant spaghetti monsters fight. So good.

Wow just wow... This deck is something. That sideboard plan is INTENSE

This league is like the hang over trilogy of magic. Insane events unfolding.

Omg you made a Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog reference. Such a wonderful piece of media

Honestly, I think you could play this deck in paper just fine with just a couple small tweaks. Emrakul's shuffle is a trigger, so you can mill your Narcoamoebas in response. Then, you just need to mill Dread Return and Syr Konrad before milling Emrakul, which can be done reliably enough. The last part doesn't care of the Emrakul timing, as you repeatedly poke for damage anyway. But two cards can make this deck leave the 4 Horsemen category: T3feri, and Quicken. Either allow you to cast one spell at instant speed, meaning you can respond to the Emrakul shuffle by milling more and get your Narcoamoebas out, then flash in the Dread Return to start the loop with nothing left to chance.

@alexisleftist778

2 жыл бұрын

Still have the same problems with getting your two pieces at the same time in grave before emrakul so I mean yeah same issue... at a different scale Now of only I could get an instant speed dread return to make this combo work every time.

@Invisifly2

2 жыл бұрын

Emergence zone can give everything you have flash by spending 1 and sacrificing it. Alchemists refuge can give flash too, but that requires more mana and green.

@trivia9s8h7i6t

2 жыл бұрын

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I have been watching your videos daily as they come out for the last few months and every time I scroll through KZread and see one of your videos your short intro music gets stuck in my head. It's great!

My favorite thing about this deck is the mind-boggle of the game 2 juke

I love four horseman, this was really fun to watch! I have registered the deck in paper maybe a half dozen times back around 2015? There was only one judge who didn't like it, all the rest were cool as soon as I told them I knew the slow play rules and would just take the L if things got sketchy. This did result in quickened dread return an Emrakul into play, and a lot of laughs from regulars at the shops

That flashback reanimation is savage

This was the most fun I had watching a magic video in, well basically ever. Thank you.

Oh man the Sharuum horseman list was one of my favorite stitched together combo deck followed closely by cephalid breakfast.

This was the most hilarious Legacy league we've seen on the channel Brian, thanks so much for giving jank a chance!

@imscouty6883

Жыл бұрын

I think my favorite part is that it isn't unplayable because it's jank, it's unplayable because it's literally not allowed to be played in organized paper magic. It's a very solid deck, just a logistical nightmare gameplay-wise for all the shuffling you would need to do irl

I feel like you can play a version where you cut the Emrakul and Konrad and just play Thassa's Oracle, then you don't have to do the loop of reshuffling your graveyard. also you can call the deck seahorses

@mosspage9360

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it seams a lot stronger not sure why it wasn't mentioned

@cephalosjr.1835

2 жыл бұрын

Problem: Emrakul is what makes the deck so resilient to grave hate. Solution: Play Emrakul, Coffin Purge, and Thassa’s Oracle. You need B more to do it, but you can win deterministically while using Emmy. (Coffin Purge can exile your Emmy from grave to help go for game).

@jacefairis1289

2 жыл бұрын

one of the main reasons to run four horsemen (and not some other self-mill combo win) is because of its graveyard hate resiliency; if they try to surgical your dread return or narcomeba, you just mill down to emrakul and shuffle back in to fizzle it. also, it lets you cabal therapy them four times with flashback.

Triple monolith for hardcast Emmy and triple orb for the mill kill, amazing!

This league was exceptionally fun to watch. So many amazing little moments.

I absolutely love decks with transformative sideboard plans :D

New 4 horsemen is essentially deterministic, or at least advances the board state once it starts combing unless it hits shuffletitan super early

I know you say you'll never play it again... But it was a ton of fun watching all the different wins and just shenanigans.

I love 4 Horsemen, such a great deck when it's allowed to be played.

Round 4's Vault hurt me deeply lol *Looks 8 times, seeing 40 of the 50 cards in the deck, without seeing a single Omniscience* I'm also in the camp of 4 vault forever, card is incredible, and just blue enough for force to care

This was an incredibly fun deck to watch, hope you do some deck like this again sometime.

The quality Dr. Horrible reference was 👌. All hail the thoroughbred of sin.

Not sure how much I like this modern take on 4 horsemen only having 2 horsemen. And don't try to tell me narcomeba is a horsemen it's definitely the horse in this deck! Edit: This league was great

@cowisiontv6611

2 жыл бұрын

The original name refers to the narcoamebas, syr conrad didn't exist back then

@Dreg_s

2 жыл бұрын

@@cowisiontv6611 i distinctly remember the deck containing 4 monsters back in it's introduction

@Calibrex_Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@cowisiontv6611 the original deck used 1 copy of each of the 4 engine cards. Sharuum, Blasting Station, Dread Return, Emrakul

@femkeyt2635

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the "four horsemen" refers to the 4 Narcomoebas.

@Calibrex_Gaming

2 жыл бұрын

@@femkeyt2635 see my response

"I'm pondering with my orb." LOL!

This league was incredible. Thank you

For what it's worth Brian, I absolutely love the edh breakdowns/tournament reports. Legit one of the best things about your content is the ability to listen and not watch due to your attention to detail on game states is a huge draw to your content. Even looking back on games after the fact that skill is still fully on display. Keep trucking dude. We stan Islands, and Ponders, and Bosh round here.

@BoshNRoll

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! That’s the pace I’m going for. :)

Great video! This is basicly my Sry Konrad Edh deck. Basalt + orb + eldradi Really cool showing in other formats

Was not expecting a Dr Horrible reference in 2022 but I'm here for it

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I'm old and full of obscure references.

@radagastbob8781

2 жыл бұрын

What was the reference? I missed it

"You thought you opponent was Four Horsemen, but it was I, show and tell!!!"

Awesome deck would love to see another run with your updates

That hardcast Emrakul was incredible xD

Multiple time during this video I paused to hit like, only to find that I had already hit like. It's that much fun folks.

Four horsemen really is a wild deck, thanks for the video to you two! But running this through more than 3-4 rounds of paper magic really seems like an awful lot of shuffling to me. Have a great weekend everybody!

Omg I love this deck sooooo much!!!!! Been Awhile :)

Some of the best magic I've seen in a long time

Since the deck is splashing white anyway, have we considered Enlightened tutor over fabricate? Searches for artifacts at a more efficient rate (even if you need to draw them still, but cantrips make that nicer) but also fetches omniscience alongside S&T post board. Seems like it's better than the awkward narcomoeba post board lol

Transformation boards are so fun!

This was goddamn glorious.

"That was a game of magic" yes

Great content as always, but this league was epic!

That was wild. It looked liked playing to unlock all the hidden features of the deck.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

100% speedrun

to slightly improve the explanation - while in theory it seems reasonable that you'll eventually get to execute the combo, you cannot, in a strict mathematical sense, *prove* that it *will* happen, just that, given infinite iterations, the likelihood of you successfully executing the combo approaches 100%. And while in theoretical maths that'd be enough to demonstrate a loop, Magic: the Gathering (and Wizards of the Coast) don't want to take a controversial stance in mathematics and declare supertasks as a mathematical concept that their game supports. on an unrelated note - that R3G1 was amazing.

I feel like this combo would be a lot easier if you just replaced Syr Konrad and Emrakul with Thassa's Oracle... But every combo gets easier with Thassa's Oracle.

@richardershig8601

2 жыл бұрын

The idea is that with this list you don't lose to "stifle on oracle". But yes, it is much easier to play oracle compared to infinitely milling yourself without knowing if you hit that improbable chance of the top card always being emrakul

I once emulated 4hrsmn in edh. It also caused nothing but groans when the table realised what it was.

JOTS Beautiful transformational sideboard!

Several years ago I built this deck in paper! I ran Sidisi, Brood Tyrant as my first Dread Return target so that each iteration at minimum made a zombie to progress the board state to try to get around the soft ban ruling lol

I think this is one of your best thumbnails.

Your very good only suggestion I would have is a smother audio its kind of choppy like the mic goes in and out. But your deck and game play are great! Commentary helps you get in your move process! I like your stuff earned my sub!!

OMG LOVE THE BAD HORSE REFERENCE

This deck is very cool. Unfortunate that it doesn't work within the tournament rules, but very fortunate that it works on MTGO!

"In 2020." Yeah my brain keeps forgetting the last 2 years were a thing too.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It is March 2020.

The only place I’d seen this combo was commander, this is sweet!

Game one of Round 3 was some spicy stuff. Magic as Dr. Garfield intended, I'm sure.

Tbh I assumed this one would turn negative. Pretty cool.

I’m not much of a fan of competitive formats but I’m quite interested in Legacy (watching at least) cause I’m familiar with most of the cards through Commander.

59:58 Would you say it's a Teferi vacation?

Man, this video is making want to play my Gitrog 4 horsemen EDH deck. Explaining to new players how the combo works elicits one of two reactions usually: "This is bullshit!" or "WOW this is awesome." To be fair I always ask before I pull the deck out and explain how powerful it is and how annoying it can be. I've only had a few people ask me to fully play out the combo, but I do also win using Syr Konrad. I put him in the deck at the onset because I wanted a way to win without just performing Four horsemen loops to generate infinite mana with Dark Ritual. and then casting Torment for infinity.

Assuming emrakul is the last card of your deck, with X cards left in the deck against a player with Y life, you can say you’ll mill XY cards which will be lethal damage regardless of where emrakul is in the deck or if you happen to hit any narcomoeba’s… Before that, just step through the loop not “infinitely” until you get Konrad, then mill X cards Y times to win. In fact, because emrakul triggers Conrad twice it’s even shorter then that being XY/2. And if we assume all 4 narcomoeba’s are at the bottom of the deck under the emrakul, that’s (X-4)Y/2 steps for exactly lethal in the worst case scenario. From there the problem is guaranteeing to get 3 narcomoeba’s, dread return, and Konrad in grave before emrakul, but this can be mitigated by playing teferi before declaring the loop. Activate teferi’s +1 to allow you to cast dread return at instant speed, then mill every card in your deck. Even if you mill emrakul, you can respond to his trigger by milling more cards. With every card in the grave, you return narcomoeba’s to the field and cast dread return as an instant to put Konrad on the board, then resolve emrakul’s trigger and do the (X-5)Y/2 mill loop to win the game. So it’s really a 3 card combo to guarantee the win…

this league had everything, combo win, transformational sideboard win, accidently hardcast emrakul, mill win, accidently win attacking with bounce spells. forget play b, that's a plan e win

48:54 my favorite part of the league 😂😂

Technically. You could just declare to your opponent that you are going to infinitely mill yourself. If they don't object, reveal your deck. If emrakul is below sir Konrad. Shuffle. You can technically play this.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

I think you could get away with it locally or among friends. The rules state otherwise at competitive level.

7 months late...but still gewd!

ALREADY COMMENTED BUT I JUST GOTTA SAY THANK YOU FOR PLAYING MESMERIC ORB BASED LEGACY DECK I LOVED THIS VIDEO SO FUCKING MUCH MESMERIC ORB FOR LIFE

@MarioSpeedrunGame

2 жыл бұрын

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I can't believe I just saw big mommy Emrakul chump block

1:14:50 four horsemen in 2020? We're in 2022 😂😂

Round 3, game 1... *spamming that like button*

Different eldrazi for the surgica case. Also to feed the algoritm

@Vuurgeest

2 жыл бұрын

That would be better, but we have the Show and Tell sideboard plan to consider.

When you trigger your Emrakul you can keep that trigger floating to find your narcos before letting the shuffle resolve, this seems faster to me. I don't have any maths to back that idea up though.

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

It gets all the narcos in on the first spin but opens you up to surgical, which is the reason to play this deck.

I've been doing something similar but now I just end with thassas oracle and cutting the emrakul

Maybe I am missing something about infinity loops, and paper play. But if your deck has a starting count of 60 cards, and you trigger the mill count of 60 cards once you get to the combo stage you are 100% guaranteed to have hit Enrakul at least once, even if it is the bottom card and not matter how many cards are remaining in your deck. So that set a minimum damage of 2 point every 60 cards milled, so an infinity loop would be a minimum damage of infinity x2 damage.

Oh man, I thought this deck was so funny when I first read about it; very cool to see it actually played. ...wait, doesn't Lim-Dul's Vault actually fix the paper version since you can stick Emrakul on the bottom of your library to guarantee you hit Konrad and Dread Return first and then go from there? I guess it requires you to have that as well as the mill engine, but since you only need to hit two cards before Emrakul in this version (Narcomoeba being able to pop out and stick between loops) you could conceivably go for it the regular way and fall back on Vault if you started getting warnings. Unrelated: I kinda wonder if there's a world where the sideboard juke is into, like. Voltaic Key shenanigans or something to hardcast Emrakul.

This is just a thought, but couldn't you run blasting station by itself without dread return and syr konrad? It's 1 more piece you need on the field so it might hurt the performance of the deck but that also cuts 2 cards you need to combo down to 1. Or is it specifically the case between emrakul and narcomeba that is the issue

Would it be worth milling in response to emrakul triggers to ensure you get all narcomaebas from the deck?

Can you add Quest for Ancient Secrets or some permanent that checks for a card entering your graveyard to "advance the boardstate"?

I find it really odd that this combo is not allowed, but in CEDH the Gitrog combo comes from a very similar line in Ulamog´s loops... and it is way worst in complexity.

But it will anyhow be almost 100% certain, you can mill your whole deck before the emrakul shuffles (tap/untap in response to emrakul shuffle) to guarrantee the narcomoebas, then it's just a matter of chance if you get the dread return and syr konrad before emrakul and the chance for it to happen at one point after say 10 000 mills is high enough IMO for it to be concidered a certain win. I don't really see a reason for the soft ban tbh.

Isn’t milling advancing the board state? I’m also not quite sure how the play warnings work, can anyone help out?

Have you considered Mindcrank? It synergizes well with Konrad

I'm a bit confused, isn't dread return for thassa's oracle just better? Can cut the emrakuls then.

Oh hellz to the yeah! I still want the paper rules to be changed. Just because the combo requires a little calculus to be deterministic doesn't mean it isn't deterministic. Richard Garfield knows better.

Surely you can play this In paper if you replace emrakul and sir Conrad with orical

22:47 : we should crack Scalding Tarn to have better odds at hitting our outs here, right ?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Brainstorm and Ponder are also in this deck. The tiny thinning effect vs. the monstrous effect shuffling with a cantrip has isn't a trade I want to make.

Why not use thassa’s oracle as the dread return target? Am I missing something or is that just a way simpler wincon

do you have any Videos with the Teferi & Knowledge Pool Combo?

@BoshNRoll

2 жыл бұрын

Not yet. 👀

Starting a petition to change this deck name to "Bad Horse"

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@christopherlundgren1700

2 жыл бұрын

Are you saying that any weed that is in your house is automatically your favorite?

@MarioSpeedrunGame

2 жыл бұрын

@@christopherlundgren1700 yes cus then i can smoke that shit will im boshin