I'm so glad you touched on climb cutting. Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Just Make shallow passes and you'll be good.

Nice vid. I was taught to use my right hand to determine the direction to push a hand held router by turning your hand into a pistol and aiming it away from you. Your thumb becomes the way the router is pushed against the edge to trim and index finger is the direction to push. You then rotate your hand to point the thumb into the edge and then push the router in the direction of the index finger. No need to try and remember clockwise and anticlockwise (counter clockwise in USA speak!).

It so mutch simpler to use the Right hand Rule, you index finger points the direction, the Thumb is pointed at the work surface

@InspireWoodcraft

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Schley And then there’s palm up or palm down… My point is that if you don’t use it often enough you forget how the rule goes. I personally believe that by understanding the how and why, a person can be more comfortable, more confident, and more safe.

Amazing timing for my first router project later today. Thank you for the great demonstration to lock in what's actually happening with the cutting edge and the material.

Excellent info in this one Jodee, especially the bit at the end about shallow climb cuts at the router table for rabbets. I do the same when routing the rabbets for the bottoms of small boxes I sell.

Thanks for the easy and clear explanation... those of us that are much less experienced woodworkers very much appreciate this sort of 'how to' or safety or newbie instruction. Thank You!

That was brilliant! You got the WOW from very late in your piece and that was when you pointed out that one used the opposite feed because one was using the other side of the blade!! Winner! Clarity achieved! Thanks Bob England

Best explanation I've seen in any video. Now I know how to use the router properly. Thanks for the video.

Great information. I always forget which direction and have to look it up. The table saw blade example is really useful, thank you!

Excellent instructions 👌. I haven't been able to enter my Woodshop since December 2019 Medical Issue. Thank you for the refresher.

I agree with Bill's comment below. Put your thumb, (right hand) aganist the work and your fingers point the routing direction for hand held routers. For router table, the opposite in true, (the router is mounted upside down). You only have to make a mistake one time and you will remember it forever.

Great video, very informative. Always look forward to your videos.. Have a wonderful Sunday!!😎

Great explanation. Thanks for educating the masses. ✌

"Think of the bit as a saw blade." Well done!

Really good explanation. I've never thought of it in terms of the table saw blade, but that's a great analogy. Thanks for the video~!

THANK YOU! Finally a KZread creator said to just look at the cutting blades on the bit for proper feed direction. BUT, at about 5:20 you said to just go left to right... followed by reaching the opposite side of the piece to go counterclockwise. I think you should have not added those two phrases. Just a look at the non-rotating bit will always tell you which direction to either feed the wood on a router table or move the router for the blades to cut INTO the wood. Yes, it's complicated until one can think logically of the blades on the bit but just leave out left/right direction and clockwise/counterclockwise, look at the bit for each cut and continue that direction regardless of inside or outside cuts. I know you've got it down pat but explaining to others to grasp the concept is as hard as learning it for yourself.

Thank you. I like the fundemental principles behind any practice. Knowing what is happening means I can also go back to basics everytime. My one thought was that when cutting a dado or groove or dovetail you are always cutting using both a regular and climb cut. Which is just an intereting fact and really changes nothing other than feed direction does not matter one bit unless there is a tricky grain pattern to deal with.

@alans1816

Жыл бұрын

Unless you need to widen the dado with a second pass. Then you need to do as he says as you choose which edge to remove and which direction to go.

I agree with Jodee. If one understands the mechanics of bit rotation and workpiece orientation, there’s no need to remember “rules of thumb”. I still have to stop and think sometimes about which way the thing is spinning, but once I can visualize the wood moving into the cutters, I know I’m doing it right.

If you are hand held. Think of your hand as the router, Looking at the back of your hand, thumb points to the material, fingers will point in the direction the router should travel.

@wally7856

Жыл бұрын

^ this right here is all you need to remember

Thank you for the lesson, very good stuff!

Very easy to understand.

Like you examples very understandable, some channels made it calculus!

Watched! same old discussion. Same old results. Thank you.

Well said Jamie, and well done.

Good and clear video!!! Thanks!

I didn't know that there was a debate on router feed direction. I can see how people would get confused on the direction since it's different when the router is in the table or when it's handheld. I never get confused when I'm using the router table but when I've got the router in my hands I always do the "4 second focus". I look at the bit and see where the teeth are and which way they are going to move. Then I do a short dry pass to confirm direction. No rushing the cut.

Fantastic info, dude! Thanks a bunch! 😃 As soon as I can I'm going to start practicing it. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Hahaha I have pretty much the same router set-up. I bought the tablesaw base for my Bosch and I also ended up getting the rail attachment for it also. It works with my Festool track and it's an actual Bosch so it has micro adjustments and all that. Then I got 2 quick change adapters, one for the fix base and one for the plunge. I like that Dewalt trim router so much I saw it on sale for 120 and got a 2nd. Wish I had your Festool router. I've been buying a lot of Festool lately. The quality is just amazing. Started with a Domino and I was hooked.

I discovered this easy way to determine the required router direction. You don't need to remember "rules of thumb" or worry about "clockwise" or "counterclockwise" directions: Realize that the part of the spinning router bit that contacts the wood is moving PARALLEL to the wood's cutting surface at that TANGENT point as you show in the video. (Imagine a ball tied to the end of the string moving in a circle. If the string were cut, the ball flies off in a straight line tangent to the circular motion). You must now OPPOSE that direction of motion, either by translating the router or the work piece in the appropriate direction. Opposing the bit's motion allows you to apply some resistance in the opposite direction, which helps prevent kickback. All you must know is the direction of rotation of the bit and imagine what direction the bit is moving relative to the wood's surface. This method works whether the router is mounted from underneath a table or whether you're holding it about the work piece. However, remember that you may have to modify this method depending on the grain direction in the wood at the cut point.

This concept has made my head spin. I can not remember the clockwise/counter-clockwise inside/outside thing. (Or is it outside/inside. Aarg!) I need to figure it out, again, every time I use my router off the table. Your video provided a much better concept for me to focus on next time, "Move the stock into the cutting edge." Like the tablesaw's carbide teeth, the router bit has a cutting face into which the stock needs to be pushed. Like the tablesaw, you won't push the stock into the back of the blade's teeth. Thank You!!!

@billferrol4202

Жыл бұрын

I was taught to use my right hand to determine the direction to push the router by turning your hand into a pistol and aiming to away from you. Your thumb becomes the way age router is pushed against the edge to trim and index finger is the direction to push. You then rotate your hand to point the thumb into the edge and push in the direction of the index finger. No need to try and remember clockwise and anticlockwise (counter clockwise in USA speak!).

@terryt2910

Жыл бұрын

@@billferrol4202 Thanks for trying, but the texted version has me befuddled. Perhaps a video or a picture would help me see what you're trying to tell me. Note that it's me, not you. This is why I get the push against the tooth or cutting surface method, while the others, that rely on on remembering something more complicated, do not.

@billferrol4202

Жыл бұрын

@@terryt2910 Have a look at this - should make sense. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eoR8yZJvpsisl5c.html

@terryt2910

Жыл бұрын

@@billferrol4202 Thanks, Bill. Appreciated. Remember that this only works when the router is on top of the wood, not for a table.

DeWalt 604 comes with 1/4” and 8mm collets as standard. (Note for newbs: 1/4”=6.35 mm. Don’t buy 6mm shank bits, they will not be gripped by the collet)

Helps that my Bosch router has an arrow on the top side of the baseplate area that reminds me 😅 my only complaint is that the plunge has a scary amount of spring to it. Damn near a bolt action 😆

I was taught to think of the workpiece as the rim of a clock... you move clockwise inside just like how the hands move inside the rim of that clock. The outside is the opposite (counterclockwise). Router tables are just upside-down freehand routers, so just reverse the rule when not using a fence and when using a fence you always go right to left (follows the same upside-down rule). Always think of the bit direction as it cuts, not the workpiece.

As always great information love your approach in explaining situations in the shop. By the way what is the part number for the large chamfer router bit you are using for demo looks like a white side brand I'm trying to find one of those. Thank you

@InspireWoodcraft

Жыл бұрын

@sam hoschar I knew I forgot something. Ha! amzn.to/3SJsoVu

@samhoschar5794

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much have a super day

I drew an arrow with sharpie on base just for reminder lol. A simple distraction in the mind will have me remaking a piece. I just acquired a pin router so now the router is over the work as apposed to in the table but I’m moving the piece not the router marked that too after oops.

Be doing this for years, and now I think I'm more confused than before.

Juice groove?

Put your thumb on the corner and point your finger, that's the direction whether outside or inside.

The only problem with "clockwise" and "counter-clockwise" is the next generation will never have seen an analog clock. Get those dang kids off my lawn.

@InspireWoodcraft

Жыл бұрын

@ Mike King Psh. Like the next generation will use routers. They all have robots to do everything.

@mrwaffles1394

Жыл бұрын

We could go back to sun wise and widdershins. Lol

@Habibulla.M

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Also from which end of the bit we should see the direction.

Say CIAO to your handheld router. Clockwise Inside, Anticlockwise Outside.

I say anticlockwise, not counter-clockwise, so I think 'Anti' for around the work and 'Clockwise' for centre, or inside, of the work. That is, 'A' or 'C'. Actually, all I have to remember is 'A' for around the work. 🤪🤪🤣🤣

You are always pushing away when behind material. Very simple.

The only thing you need to remember is “ROUTERS WANT TO GO LEFT”

Naw…! The “Thumb & Index Finger” rule is easier for me to remember.

Way confusing fir something simple!

Get to the point!

@InspireWoodcraft

Жыл бұрын

I’ll do what I want, thanks.

So much BS you just made it twice as hard to remember. Follow the right hand rule thumb to to edge and follow your fingers. On the router table turn you hand upside. If you follow this rule it will be easy learn.

@InspireWoodcraft

Жыл бұрын

@John Isley And if you learn how the machine works and why, you never have to flash gang signs at it again. How’s THAT for BS?

@jameshyde5797

Жыл бұрын

Good video. i put arrows right on the router table top showing bit direction. my condition went away. 🤔

@terryt2910

Жыл бұрын

"Right hand...thumb to edge...follow your fingers"? Huh? Now, I am confused!

@billhandymanbill2775

Жыл бұрын

When using a handheld router, I always use the “right hand direction method”. Using the right hand, the right thumb touches the wood and the right pointing finger indicates the forward direction to moves the router. Work every time on the inside or outsides edges of the wood!

@ipick4fun27

Жыл бұрын

@@terryt2910 right hand rule is easy is you know how to use it. I used it slightly differently than James suggested. Your thumb is the axis of rotation where the router bit. Your fingers are the direction of rotation (like saw teeth). You want material go into your fingers. Table saw thumb points to sky. Hand held, thumb points to floor. Hope this helps. It doesn’t matter inside or outside cut. Just remember material into your finger.

Use hand tools only and the problem goes away.