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@johnjingleheimersmith9259

3 ай бұрын

so what about carbide sanding discs like those from Duragrit? Seems like they should be superior in most areas. Stumpynubs made a recommendation for them a few years back. I've never had a chance to use them but imagine it could be a game changer as far as material removal is concerned. Not sure why we're still using crap glued to paper or even mesh when we have literal discs of rough metal now.

Rough topic. Smooth delivery.

@bruceregittko7068

Жыл бұрын

Yes, a gritty performance

@CeeJayThe13th

Жыл бұрын

Eyyy

@ykkfamily

Жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@Saskajohn

Жыл бұрын

Quick comment. Amazing work

@pentagram313

Жыл бұрын

You win

As a professional woodworker and carpenter, I've used just about every type and style of sandpaper out there. As soon as 3m released the 710W I spent close to $800 in sandpaper acquiring every grit I needed. This was after using my very first sample disc. The 710W is hands down the finest disc out there, and most definitely the most cost effective sanding solution. For those of you on a tight budget, I highly recommend you save the pennies and get the 710W. Over time, you will put more cash in your pocket. Cheap sandpaper is just that. Cheap. Remember... The sander is the MACHINE. The PAPER is the TOOL. Quality tools ALWAYS have a better experience, work faster, and cost LESS over time.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it any better myself. The 710 really is an incredible product

@post-leftluddite

2 ай бұрын

Try Norton's Blaze line....what do you have to lose?

I don't generally buy into hype about what new product is on the market or how it will change my life. That being said, I ordered a bunch with the new backer pad and these 3M sanding discs changed my life in the woodworking world! They are by far the best I have ever used and will continue to use them. And that's with my Ryobi 5 inch random orbit sander. I will be upgrading my sander to a better model now as well. I really appreciate reviews based on facts and truth that can be reproduced. Y'all take care, work safe and keep all your fingers.

In the future when talking about multiple products with names like 775L and 710W it would be a big help to have an image of the product when mentioning it. During the ranking of surface quality portion I had a hell of a time keeping track of which name matched which disc.

At the end of the day I’m more concerned with finish than cost of material removed. What motivated me to use the 710w was the lack of noticeable scratches left behind. Like you have noted on previous videos is that a persons time is important. For me it is far more important than a bit of money, to have to go back & re-sand by hand after finding swirl marks or scratches negates any price difference. Thanks for the video, as usual great job!!

@Bapuji42

Жыл бұрын

It was the 310W that had no visible scratches.

@vicquickenden4379

Жыл бұрын

Yep, but after trying several types & brands of sanding mediums I settled on the 710w for the reasons I wrote above. Most consistent results.

@thenext9537

Жыл бұрын

YES. The 710 is love. Once you try it, it's so much better by light years compared to something like Gator or festool or even mirka. I think tool brands should not mess with sandpaper. 3m has it on lock!

@Mike-bh7sh

8 ай бұрын

So what grit are you people sanding to on your sanders to avoid swirls? I'm guessing at LEAST 220? Might suggest that you actually might save time by sanding to a lower grit and then hand sanding, rather than going to a high grit to avoid hand sanding.

@michaelconroy8060

6 ай бұрын

I think tool people trying to get in the sandpaper business is partially what probably helped drive such innovations....@@thenext9537

As a woodturner, mesh discs are great because you can tear them into teeny tiny strips for getting into all those nooks & crannies.

I am limited to big box stores and have bought their sandpaper because I have thought is was decent and "cheap". After this video, I did a bit of investigatingand realized that these "Premium" discs are actually a fraction of the cost compared to HF, HD, L, etc. $20 for 50 discs for 3M or $6 for 5 discs at HF or HD. I will only buy "premium" discs now and feel good about it because they are cheaper per unit than the "cheap" ones AND perform a lot better! Thanks for opening my eyes!

I just want to say that I appreciate you including Gator brand. I'm on a pretty tight budget (almost all of my big tools were gifts, sometimes I have trouble being able to just get some wood to work with) so Gator is what I always go with since it's cheap and readily available. I knew it sucked but didn't know how much!

@idhatemet00

Жыл бұрын

@@MKRM27 he's not sponsored by 3m dingus, and the gator brand ends up costing more in the long run...

@jeremybirmingham2316

8 ай бұрын

@@idhatemet00 I'm not sure why you are calling CeeJay a dingus. In the comment you are replying to they don't claim that the video is sponsored, and they say that Gator is crap, and were glad to discover it more expensive in the long run. Or the original comment has been edited, or I am missing something, or you owe someone an apology.

@idhatemet00

8 ай бұрын

@@jeremybirmingham2316 that's because i wasn't replying to ceejay, the person i responded to deleted their comment apparently lol

And another one. Thank you for getting straight to the point. Love the less than subtle shade throwing.

THANK YOU!! Finally, someone came out and gave an actual time that a disc should last. 25 minutes… well, I was way off having used the same disc for hours and for many projects. Also, this was a great video with many “bits” of information I’ve never heard before… I’ve even seen the JKM video. ❤

I just finished binge watching all of the videos in your channel, and yours is one of my favorite channels on KZread. You are informative, entertaining and I love your sense of humor. Your research and information on sandpapers will save me a lot in an upcoming project. Thank you for you wonderful content. May the Force be with you. Stay well! ❤️🤗👍🏼

Another thing to consider: Sandpaper doesn't just stop working when it gets dull. It starts cutting as if it's a higher grit than what's printed on the label. So a low quality disk will leave a "smoother" finish for the same amount of sanding-time than a good disk, just because the good disk is still sharp and cutting true to its grit level.

@fancraft1266

5 ай бұрын

I don't think so. When your sandpaper becomes dull, it will sand slower, but the grits that are still on the sandpaper are the same sise as when the sandpaper was new.

Thanks for this. I put the new discs on my wish list for when I run out of the discs I already have. Your videos have been really cool and I have been a DIY wood worker for 40 years - and still learning so much.

This is the first video I’ve watched of yours. Outstanding! Great job explaining the straight facts. Thank you!

Thank you. I spent the summer going between refinishing a boat deck and fine furniture refinishing with confusing results between the new paper and my regular festool. Your explanation of using the vac made a lot of sense to explain the issues. Again, thank you.

You have just jumped into rarefied air, my friend. I place you in the same category as James Hamilton (Stumpy Nubs) and Jonathon Katz-Moses when it comes to the explanation of woodworking science. Well done.

@CP-mb7ly

Жыл бұрын

Yay Stumpy, Boo JKM. He's a pompous douche nozzle

@gbear056

Жыл бұрын

@@CP-mb7ly I hear you loud and clear C P. Consequently, I’ve learned to focus on content, not the presenter.

@CP-mb7ly

Жыл бұрын

@@gbear056 That's unfortunate. I prefer not to support content creators that degrade their viewers, just my preference.

@gbear056

Жыл бұрын

@@CP-mb7ly thanks C P. It’s food for thought. I may have to rethink my views. There are certainly a multitude of other creators out there!

@CP-mb7ly

Жыл бұрын

@@gbear056 there's definitely a fair amount that don't take out their frustrations on their viewers in the comments :-) cheers!

Great info! My time sanding is the most important factor to me behind a good finish. I originally bought a planer just so I could start with a more uniform, smoother surface on rough boards and cut down on sanding time. I was willing to spend $600 to not sand for hours. Added benefit of making them all the same thickness

Hmm, interesting. I am mostly a bowl turner. In experimenting some time ago, I found that with the Mirka/woven type of abrasives, in grits up to about 180 or 220, they were much slower than the full cover abrasives. Over 220, there was no difference that I could tell. I don't have the fancy things to be able to exactly measure grams for differences.... One abrasive not here is a blue abrasive, maybe 'Deer' logo, that I get from VinceswondNwonders. I believe there is some ceramic abrasive particles in it. I had Vince make me some discs to fit my 5 inch Festool sander. It is the longest lasting abrasive I have found for sanding bowls, frequently getting several bowls out of one set of discs, rather than maybe one bowl per disc. or some that were just the inside of a bowl with one disc. My favorite saying about 'when to change' discs was some thing like 'use sanding discs like my 2 year old uses toilet paper', or 'like some one else is buying it'. You lose time using dull abrasives. I do keep the rubber eraser sticks handy, and they help extend the life once in a while. The cubitron is only available in 2 and 3 inch discs. The ones I get from Vince are 2 3/8 and 3 3/8, so they lap over the edge of the 'interface' pad, which is what we call the cheap pad that we can waste rather than the main mandrill. Oh, the hooks can leave serious scratches on a finished piece. You can not remove 80 grit scratches with 220, unless you want to sand for hours. If I start at 80, next is 100, 120, 150, 180, 220, and with my bowls I go to 400. Grits above about 600 to 700 or so are invisible to the human eye. The finer grits are more 'polishing out scratches' rather than sanding and removing stock. Paint grade stuff, 150 max grit. Surface finish, 220. Wipe on finishes, however high you want to go. Not sure where a hand planed surface is in this list... One turner said, "Never take a finished piece from the shop into the house on a sunny day. Sun light causes scratches." I prefer the natural light type of lamps for seeing scratches. A raking angle does help. Oh, cheap reading glasses from the big box stores are okay, but not good after a while, you need glasses from an optometrist.

I've been a fan of the Diablo sand net due to thier price and being widely available at box stores. They also come with a pad saver.

I've been wondering about these higher end disc's for a while. Great video and really informative!

I really enjoy your no BS approach to You Tube. Thanks.

I like the little tip about drawing all over the board with a pencil before sanding it. I have a bad habbit of forgetting what does and doesn't need sanded. So thats a good way to know whats been done already and to help me so I dont over sand an area. Just move on once the pencil marks are gone.

@OGSauceDaddy

Жыл бұрын

use a pencil. The ink from certain ball point pens soaks in too deep

I had never heard the word "mattering" before. I looked it up and it is a real word. That's what I learned from this. Oh, about sandpaper, I sand until it is smooth enough and don't get too hung up on cost. But that's just me.

Thanks for the great info once again. Always my man to watch when I actually want a genuine review or someone to break down what I need when I am not sure what I need.

Thanks! Over the last few months I've made over 100 cutting boards and seems like I get the best results with the 710 for all the faces, then switch to a 775 disc for doing all of the edges, for all the exact reasons you mentioned. I had not heard of the 310, yet, I will go check it out!

@bhough410

Жыл бұрын

Have made dozens of cutting boards the last few months lately too. You should def try diablo sandnet!

Thanks for mentioning we should use the backing with a net disk. Wittworks just did a video on those this past weekend and that was the first time I had ever heard they exist and why I need one. You're the only other KZreadr I watch that's even mentioned their existence or purpose. I just got into woodworking this Spring and bought the "Xtract" net disks after seeing Jonathan Katz Moses's video but never knew I needed a backing. Thankfully I haven't done a whole lot of sanding since I've just been building garage furniture and shelving but I'm definitely buying a backing for next year.

@WoodcraftBySuman

Жыл бұрын

I go bareback on my sander and live dangerously. But yes- interface pads are importanter

I love this video. I work in a cabinet shop sanding a lot of poplar lumber and birch plywood and I have questions about the intricacies of it, even though we use vibrate sanders, but no one else really thinks about it enough to teach me cause they just want it to be over haha

Objectivity, fact based and situational recommendations? Rad. Thanks for this ❤

I usually purchase more expensive sandpaper because of past experience where it outlasts cheaper stuff, but recently i bought some off Amazon pretty cheap for a small project i was doing with my kid. this sandpaper is surprisingly good and ill be ordering more just to have on hand

Yep, I am one of those who uses sandpaper until it's just paper. I go through so much of it, that I keep some for later use ... albeit it might not cut as much, but in the times that I use it the scraps are worth getting every cent out of the paper. Great video, thanks!

@grizzlygrizzle

3 ай бұрын

Me too. I do mostly hand sanding, and spent years restoring century-old wooden entryways on brownstones in Boston, and there was no way to use power sanders on them, except on some small areas that were flat. For hand sanding, I found Norton Pro-Sand sheets to work the best for me. And I save the small scraps, too.

@lavalleguitars

3 ай бұрын

@@grizzlygrizzle I should have lead with that, that I do mostly hand sanding. I'll rough down some wood with a palm sander, but after that it is all by hand ....

Thanks for sharing. Great info! I've been using 3M 710 for the last year or so and am extremely pleased.

Thanks for making this video. You are the first person to ever explain sand paper in lay terms without a biased opinion. As a professional painter, I use thousands of dollars of sandpaper a year for finish work and abatement. I have to be honest, I did not even know 3M was a major competitor in quality and price. Until now, every time I change paper, it feels like I am throwing a dollar away. Many thanks.

@yabbieo8466

Жыл бұрын

Without a biased opinion? It's basically a 3M ad.

@RonHelton

8 ай бұрын

@@yabbieo8466 Yep, and with the links to buy.

Been watching your content since the start. Excellent. Superior. High value. I appreciate your effort, man.

@Lincolnstww

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that!

Very informative. Thank you for spelling this all out for us.

Great explanation. Thank you!

Well, another great video. I'm now returning the $50 in gator sandpaper I bought from Lowes yesterday (5 grits, 15 discs per pack at $10 each) and purchasing sets of the 310w and 710w to try both with my projects. $56 dollars shipped for 10 discs of each kind in 5 grits. better sandpaper at a better price? no brainer!

Your video made me switch from a bulk Menards pack to the 3M sanding pads. I love the performance! Thanks!

I bought all kind of grits( 80-300) of the 710W for a staircase renovation. Here in Europe they can be had for under €0.50 per disc (around €23 per packet of 50 discs) and it holds up better than anything I tested, including abranet, Bosch nets & festool, who are all magnitudes more expensive. If 3M is keeping this up they will own the sandpaper disc market in a matter of years.

@mlrodenburg1990

Жыл бұрын

Which variety of Abranet did you use? I got the Abranet ACE (ceramic abrasive) and I'm in doubt switching to the 710W. Mostly end grain sanding, some general purpose work. Please advise :)

@bertfransman9864

Жыл бұрын

@@mlrodenburg1990 Ik denk dat het de gewone Abranets waren, maar ben niet zeker want de doos is intussen al weer een jaartje op. Was ook meer dan prima schuurpapier, niet slechter als 3M imo, gewoon veel duurder. Zeker geen reden om abranets buiten te gooien, de 710W gaat geen merkbaar beter resultaat geven. Ik heb 3m gewoon bij slijpexpert gekocht, maar zie dat het intussen ook al weer wat euro's duurder is. Wel nog steeds rond 55cent per schijf,

Great video, Jon. I watched it because Suman’s stories told me to! I have always preferred the 710W over the 775L and have yet to try the new 310W.

Excellent video! Well done!

In my woodshop class at school i go through the mkst sandpaper by far. But others dont really care about the outcome of their prodjects. After i polyurethane my projects feel so smooth and its because i spend so much time on sanding making sure its near perfect

Solid video as always sir. Appreciate them, and you. Keep it up!

Appreciate the video and insights - always enjoy your content and take on things. Based on your previous videos I know you aren’t trying to do videos on the reg, but I always look forward to them!

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Great video and appreciated the informative comparison and summary of the 'model #'s' of the various 3M discs with cubitron.

The 710w is great. On lower grits, I will use something else like 310, but higher grits I'll use the 710. Dust collection obviously needed on the finer grits no doubt.

Love the humor man. Keep it up! Oh yea the tips and science were helpful too.

thanks for the excellent video jon! great info in here!

Quite a lesson! Thank you!

Super informative. I feel like I went from novice level on sandpaper to craftsman level on sandpaper in under 14 enjoyable minutes, saving myself $ and ages of agony debating with myself on which to use when. Liked and subscribed!

@I_Dont_Answer_Questions

4 ай бұрын

You're oblivious that you just watched a commercial...

I constantly use soft Swedish pine so this is super helpful and relevant, thanks

Thank you for this video and the testing. The sandpaper options can be kind of overwhelming and it seems to be a subject a lot of people gloss over. I've been using some Amazon variety pack cheap sandpaper without dust extraction. Now I've ordered some 3M products and am excited to see what kind of difference they make.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

You wont ever look back

Very nice. Thank you for the details. Especially who should be using what disc. Good work.

I hate sanding… but the new Diablo SandNet is my new fave. Seems to last 3 to 5 times longer than traditional old-school sandpaper.

Smooth commercial delivery for Jackery. I was not compelled to skip.

gritty delivery. Love it

Nailed it. Congrats.

Excellent video. Thank you

thanks for all the information...

I used Mirka for years in auto body. A pad saver is a must though a net backed discs still is useful for non vacuum systems as they keep the media cooler thus longer life.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Yep - dont sand without one! The mirka sander is so comfortable

Mirka sander and Abranet discs have been a life changer after 30 years of building furniture

Super interesting video, thank you! I'm still very new to woodworking, so I was using cheap amazon sandpaper, until I saw Katz-Moses' video and switched to the 710W and I really love it, the difference is so much more than I thought it would be! It's probably the thing that's made me rethink my instinctive cheap-stakes-ness the most! It looks like the 310W is a little harder to get my hands on in the UK but I'll give it a try if I can find some.

@AgentWest

Жыл бұрын

Might be beneficial to replace only some grits. For example, if you care more about just removing material (lots of rounded edges or gradual shapes in projects, for example), get fancy coarse disks. If you are more into fine finishes, invest into finer grits and use cheaper coarse ones. If you are working with sap-y woods, working it with a scraper first can help to keep disks from clogging. Certainly helps with autobody fillers since they tend to get a gummy layer on top as they cure.

Appreciate & Enjoyed Ur Video!

Maverick abrasives is worthy of mentioning. Orca is good stuff too. Great video, educational, informative!

Another hot Saturday night: I’m in the kitchen watching a video about *sand paper*! We’ll done. Thanks for the info.

Jesus that's a comprehensive video! Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks brother!

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

You got it!

I used to hate sanding, the dust, noise, frustration, then I got a Festool sander and dust extractor, and I love sanding now. Turns out that removing the dust at the source makes a better finish, I’ve gone from sanding to the finish room without vacuuming or wiping

Aluminum Oxide is a hardness of 9. for sanding wood the hardness is not the issue it's the shape, size, and distribution of the grit. Another is the adhesive, closed or open face.

Honestly, the biggest problem I've had with the 710W while connected to dust collection is that the sander literally wants to stick to the work piece because of the suction thru the sanding disc. This happens on either my Bosch GET75-6N or the cordless Bosch GEX18V-5N with the cordless sander being by far "stickier" than the 6" sander. On the 5", I get the same effect with the Diablo mesh discs, too (It's the only other mesh disc I've tried). I suspect the 5" cordless wants to stick more because it's much lighter-weight than the 6". In fact, I tend to skip the dust collector altogether when using the cordless Bosch because it extracts pretty well already, and with the 710W, it's even better.

Great video, thank you for sharing your insights and recommendations. I have been a 3m fan for a long time, and I am now going to look at the 310W for my inexpensive grade woods. Cheers!

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

Excellent info!

Another great video. I placed my order using your links. Thanks.

The sandpaper revolution in woodworking lately is quite interesting. My father was an auto body repairman and painter by trade and never used anything but 3M sandpaper. I literally have old stock of 3M sandpaper passed down to me that probably outdates most of you watching this video. As a woodworker I've tried serval different types and brands of sandpaper. Honestly all of them get the job done on wood, but recently have decided to go back to the trusty 3M paper. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into your presentations. My first question/concern would be considering the material you're trying to sand. Every species of wood is different unlike sanding other materials such as a painted piece of sheet metal found on an automobile. Why do I bring up this point? I'm not an industry insider but I'm willing to assume that 3M develops its products for the people that use their products the most. The amount of sandpaper used by DIY woodworkers versus the automotive industry is negotiable. The weekend warrior makers can definitely benefit from the premium products that 3M has to offer, if it fits into your budget. But splitting hairs over little fine scratches seems excessive, especially when you can overcome these obstacles with patience. The vast majority of people working in a home garage could probably care less one way or the other as long as it looks acceptable. But I digress. For us woodworkers there are so many possibilities when it comes to fit and finish unlike an automobile that has to be absolutely perfect once the paint is applied. I could be wrong but companies like 3M develop their products to suit the needs of the most demanding sector of the industry. That is where the real laboratory tests exist. There's definitely a place for premium tools and materials in the woodworking shop. I appreciate all the information regarding these topics. It's definitely entertaining to hear about other people's experiences.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Yep, 3Ms cubitron was developed for industrial applications like you said. Automotive and aerospace like you said. Most people assumed it was too aggressive for wood because it wasn't developed for that. If you're doing commission work, I wouldn't sell a tabletop with those scratches for instances. They are def noticeable. At the end of the day we all want to sand less

@drstefankrank

Жыл бұрын

@@Lincolnstww Then just use the cubitron until the last grid. Saves you time and gives you the finish. TBH, not sure if that will work well, but it could be worth a try.

oh thanks, I didn't know what I didn't know, now I have no excuse except continue to be stupid or be enlightened. Will work on being enlightened, but hopefully not from the light at the end of a tunnel. After all there may be a train or a bus. Really enjoy your videos.

Very helpful- thank you!

This was great to see and supper helpful thanks

Wow this is a complete detailed report. This should be the science channel.

Thanks for the video and the link to the discounted order. Definitely going to try out those 310s (and the price was great on the 710s as well).

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

I noticed the 775L would not stick to the hook and loop pad on my Milwaukee sander (brand new pad). Would constantly fly off across the room whenever it had the chance. Never had tyhat problem with any other sandpaper. The 710W doesn't seem to have that problem is shockingly fast at material removal compared to the Klingspor discs I had been using. Very happy with the 710

Good information and great video. Thanks for your work.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

I thought I knew the answer to this watching the original JKM video, but you proved me wrong. Great analysis!

This is such a great channel!

Lots of good info here, thanks. I sand way too often w/out a vacuum. I have a crappy shop vac because I'm too cheap to buy a better on... Need to get shopping.

1:23 Grits are a corn product that is buttered and eaten with all kinds of foods. The very best way is to butter them, then cut and mix fried eggs in them. It's a southern thing. I was visiting s friend in Connecticut years ago and saw grits on the menu. They served it in a bowl like cereal and I grossed out my friend when I dumped them out on the plate, buttered them and proceeded to mix them with the fried eggs. 🤣😂😅😆 That stuff on sandpaper may be called grit, but it tastes terrible and really "ain't" edible.

Very helpful video!

Great video! Most woodworkers are miserable finishers… hopefully they see the most important segment of the video… don’t skip grits and clean in between!!

Great breakdown.

Just ordered some of those 3m discs. Sounded good to me.

I really like the idea of not having to align the sanding pad holes.

This video keeps showing in my YT recommendations. I like this channel well enough but I'm not in the market for sandpaper at the moment so I've just ignored it. However, each time I see it, it has a different thumbnail. I guess this one finally worked because here I am. Keep up the good work.

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Glad I finally got ya!

Mind is spinning with all those numbers. What I learned was sandpaper has come a long way. Great video. And amazing research BTW👏

@Lincolnstww

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The Wyoming ball cap caught my eye. Nice.

Greetings from Australia. Love your channel and content! Have subscribed and will watch more of your work. Regards One Handed Maker

3m stuff is all fantastic I love their stuff

Just what I needed!

thank you so much, I really. love your videos

...I did not know pad savers existed. I have a squishy foam pad on my orbital since I often sand on curvy stuff (guitar things). Thanks for sharing!

This video is fantastic!

I am such a woodworking nerd. I watched your entire video and didn't fast forward once (through the usual sanding at least). SOOOO worth it. I have so much crap sandpaper. Gonna check out Taylor now. Hope they have combo packs.

Thanks for this. Found that they sell the 310w here in Japan so will give it a try (will use on Hinoki cypress, quite resinous).